power

[Noaler]

okay! I need to know how to hit major power. Whenever I play someone pretty fast strokes then I play as good as him so I get lots of third sets and tiebreakers. Well the thing is, I can't seem to generate enough power when I'm facing a slow opponent. and then serves too. Some kid can just overturn my first serve so easily and it's twice as fast as his regular shots for cause he just swings faster I guess. I can hit winners if it's a medium paced ball on the service line, but other than that I just keep accurate annoying them unless someone else is better at my accuracy.

ALSO, I've been trying out the ww forehand. I can get some power behind the baseline and it's exatly the same on the baseline, but I still think that it can be faster. I can't exactly hit winners, but I don't care cause I got my other forehand shot. any suggestions??:):):(:confused:

[Steady Eddy]

Not to be rude, but it's hard to understand what you're asking. I've played tennis a long time, and I like to be helpful when I can, but I'm not able to help when I don't know what the questions are. Re-read your post, I know I always find mistakes in mine when I do that. Just a few changes might make it more clear want it is you want to know.

[Bungalo Bill]

okay! I need to know how to hit major power. Whenever I play someone pretty fast strokes then I play as good as him so I get lots of third sets and tiebreakers.

What are you saying here?

Well the thing is, I can't seem to generate enough power when I'm facing a slow opponent. and then serves too.

What are you saying here?

Some kid can just overturn my first serve so easily and it's twice as fast as his regular shots for cause he just swings faster I guess.

Timing and hitting cleanly was the answer.

I can hit winners if it's a medium paced ball on the service line, but other than that I just keep accurate annoying them unless someone else is better at my accuracy.

What are you saying here?

ALSO, I've been trying out the ww forehand. I can get some power behind the baseline and it's exatly the same on the baseline, but I still think that it can be faster. I can't exactly hit winners, but I don't care cause I got my other forehand shot. any suggestions??:):):(:confused:

What are you saying here?

[AznRamenDude]

He's saying that he cant generate his own power. He is able to play and keep up with his opponents power. He can take the pace from the ball, but he cant produce his own power on his shots when he plays against a weaker opponent.

My answer: just practice some more. anyone can produce power on a ground stroke if they can hit it hard and keep it in.

[Bungalo Bill]

He's saying that he cant generate his own power. He is able to play and keep up with his opponents power. He can take the pace from the ball, but he cant produce his own power on his shots when he plays against a weaker opponent.

My answer: just practice some more. anyone can produce power on a ground stroke if they can hit it hard and keep it in.

What about his serve? Their serve? I want to learn more about what he is trying to say before I answer. Your answer is too simplified.

[Interceptor]

okay! I need to know how to hit major power. Whenever I play someone pretty fast strokes then I play as good as him so I get lots of third sets and tiebreakers. Well the thing is, I can't seem to generate enough power when I'm facing a slow opponent. and then serves too. Some kid can just overturn my first serve so easily and it's twice as fast as his regular shots for cause he just swings faster I guess. I can hit winners if it's a medium paced ball on the service line, but other than that I just keep accurate annoying them unless someone else is better at my accuracy.

Dude what the hell are you talking about, this was some kind of riddle or something, because no one understood you. Think carefully and plan how you are going to express yourself, then write something that makes sense.

Some kid can just overturn my first serve so easily and it's twice as fast as his regular shots for cause he just swings faster I guess. I can hit winners if it's a medium paced ball on the service line, but other than that I just keep accurate annoying them unless someone else is better at my accuracy.

Just what did that mean??? Lmao:shock::confused::???:

[Noaler]

Dude what the hell are you talking about, this was some kind of riddle or something, because no one understood you. Think carefully and plan how you are going to express yourself, then write something that makes sense.



Just what did that mean??? Lmao:shock::confused::???:

I met one kid that overturned my first serve like federal, simple?

Sorry for not explaining well, I tend to TYPE like this a lot. Trying to add a lot of detail but end sounding like a riddle.

[Interceptor]

I met one kid that overturned my first serve like federal, simple?

Sorry for not explaining well, I tend to TYPE like this a lot. Trying to add a lot of detail but end sounding like a riddle.

You mean he made return winners on your serve? Who's federal?
Well if you want good responses you should try to get your message right:)

[Noaler]

You mean he made return winners on your serve? Who's federal?
Well if you want good responses you should try to get your message right:)

Yes, second serves had more effect on him.

[wyutani]

I dunno mate' but power comes from ur shoulders cos it hurts the most after playing for 3 hours plus. you develop ur shoulders, you develop power too mate.

[Noaler]

What are you saying here?
I play better when I meet better opponents and play worse when I play worse opponents. That's why I need more power.


What are you saying here?
I can't generate enough speed with slow-paced balls, but can with fast. Same with slow paced serves.


Timing and hitting cleanly was the answer.Strange thing is that his technique totally changed. But yeah, I guess you answered my question there.


What are you saying here?Erm, I can hit medium-paced balls that land on or past the service line really quickly. I annoy my opponents of my accuracy unless someone else is more accurate.


What are you saying here?
I think my Windshield wiper forehand should be faster since it's a little bit slower then my regular forehand?

Hope I explained well:smile::smile::-P:-P

[Noaler]

I dunno mate' but power comes from ur shoulders cos it hurts the most after playing for 3 hours plus. you develop ur shoulders, you develop power too mate.

So ur saying that I should turn more?

[wyutani]

So ur saying that I should turn more?

turn more, cos raw power comes from the leg and it goes up to the shoulder...plus the rotating turn, you get RAW power, no preservative.:)

[Noaler]

Probably gonna feel unnatural to me. I always have to think about turning when I hit my flat serve and ground strokes.

think ur rite. i feel like this is the only thing i didn't try to gather more power.

[Mr. Anderson]

Probably gonna feel unnatural to me. I always have to think about turning when I hit my flat serve.

think ur rite. i feel like this is the only thing i didn't try to gather more power.

Wait a second, do you mean you just need power on your serve and not on your groundstrokes now?

[wyutani]

Wait a second, do you mean you just need power on your serve and not on your groundstrokes now?

im confused myself, but the OP said groundies. so i assume...

[toughshot]

Its your footwork.

If you set up for the ball correctly depending on its height/trajectory/pace, load your weight, and transfer it correctly, you should be able to generate all the pace you'll ever need.

[autumn_leaf]

What about his serve? Their serve? I want to learn more about what he is trying to say before I answer. Your answer is too simplified.

no his answer was pretty much on the money. the serve thing was why the opponent can return his serve either so easily or why is the return serve from the opponent twice as fast as the opponent's regular forehand.

to the OP generating pace by yourself is a hard thing to do. when you go against a player that can generate their own pace your shots will seem a lot faster because you're using your opponents power against them. this is also why your opponent's return serve is faster than their regular forehand, they are using the speed that you generated from your serve and deflecting it back at you.

[Bungalo Bill]

no his answer was pretty much on the money. the serve thing was why the opponent can return his serve either so easily or why is the return serve from the opponent twice as fast as the opponent's regular forehand.

Lol, you have got to be kidding me! That answer was NOT a good answer.

to the OP generating pace by yourself is a hard thing to do. when you go against a player that can generate their own pace your shots will seem a lot faster because you're using your opponents power against them. this is also why your opponent's return serve is faster than their regular forehand, they are using the speed that you generated from your serve and deflecting it back at you.

Well no kidding! I think we said this above! However, even still you are incomplete in your answer. When a person hits a hard serve to you, it isnt simply "using" your opponents power. I can hit a ball coming in fast and still not generate maximum power. I could mishit, or hit late, and although the ball may go over the net, I will not have maximized power.

Once again, the reason a player can rip a ball back from a ball coming in fast comes from two things:

1. Making clean contact

2. Having good timing

This is what a player needs to do to hit for power whether they play a person that hits the ball hard or not. That is the answer.

[Interceptor]

Lol, you have got to be kidding me! That answer was NOT a good answer.



Well no kidding! I think we said this above! However, even still you are incomplete in your answer. When a person hits a hard serve to you, it isnt simply "using" your opponents power. I can hit a ball coming in fast and still not generate maximum power. I could mishit, or hit late, and although the ball may go over the net, I will not have maximized power.

Once again, the reason a player can rip a ball back from a ball coming in fast comes from two things:

1. Making clean contact

2. Having good timing

This is what a player needs to do to hit for power whether they play a person that hits the ball hard or not. That is the answer.


But the question is, how do you generate power when your opponent doesnt give you power? I want to hear your answer.

I think it's somewhat simple, no? If your opponent hits a very slow/weak shot, then you will have a lot of time to prepare yourself the best you can, so just prepare properly and rip that ball for a winner.

[Interceptor]

I think it's somewhat simple, no? If your opponent hits a very slow/weak shot, then you will have a lot of time to prepare yourself the best you can, so just prepare properly and rip that ball for a winner.

Hey you edited your post! I answered when it was still a question lol

[Bungalo Bill]

I think it's somewhat simple, no? If your opponent hits a very slow/weak shot, then you will have a lot of time to prepare yourself the best you can, so just prepare properly and rip that ball for a winner.

It is simply hitting on time and hitting cleanly. What happens when a player tries to hit a ball with little pace is they try to hit it harder and they get screwed up in their footwork and balance.

Footwork plays an important role in getting into position, being able to use your normal rally stroke, staying in balance, and hitting through the ball.

However, to use whatever energy is in the ball from our opponent, hitting cleanly and with good timing allows a player to put some "pop" on the ball.

[Interceptor]

It is simply hitting on time and hitting cleanly. What happens when a player tries to hit a ball with little pace is they try to hit it harder and they get screwed up in their footwork and balance.

Footwork plays an important role in getting into position, being able to use your normal rally stroke, staying in balance, and hitting through the ball.

However, to use whatever energy is in the ball from our opponent, hitting cleanly and with goof timing allows a player to put some "pop" on the ball.

Hehehe. Yes, this was what I forgot to add wich means the same, since the ball is slower you have more time to adjust the best possibly and hit cleanly and get your timing right.

[dropaced333]

power on every shot comes from several things, but the biggie is always... (drumroll) acceleration! yay! but that comes from several factors... like on the serve, pronation allows you to accelerate faster through the ball, so of course, this would work on every other shot too right... well only half way... pronating on a forehand or backhand would be very weird and would make every coach probably hate your guts, cuz, well, it's not traditional... so acceleration must be achieved in another way... one way is to use all your muscles to strike the ball, which is the easiest and most natural way really, but another way to get more acceleration is to lay your wrist back, and bring it forward through the ball! the wrist movement gets more speed and should allow you to hit a more powerful shot when needed... practice on this until you get really good at it that you can hit these kinds of shots on the run or on the rise or in other various situations that you'd want some serious power on!

[Noaler]

Okay...i'm probably going to practice soon since i just woke up. But my backhand like always acheives the same amount of power for every shot. For example, some person gives a huge serve and then i just return it with ease.

But if I change my swing line, I take my backhand around my waist level and then swing which generates a lot more power. It's also the shot I use to hit winners.

[autumn_leaf]

Lol, you have got to be kidding me! That answer was NOT a good answer.



Well no kidding! I think we said this above! However, even still you are incomplete in your answer. When a person hits a hard serve to you, it isnt simply "using" your opponents power. I can hit a ball coming in fast and still not generate maximum power. I could mishit, or hit late, and although the ball may go over the net, I will not have maximized power.

Once again, the reason a player can rip a ball back from a ball coming in fast comes from two things:

1. Making clean contact

2. Having good timing

This is what a player needs to do to hit for power whether they play a person that hits the ball hard or not. That is the answer.

well i was assuming others would understand point 1 and 2 were required...not like anyone expects to make power shot off a framer.

for some reason you sound very angry in your post. the person's interpretation was correct.

in general i think this board is getting a lot of weird/stupid threads lately. like the one asking about the best racquets for lefties...x_X.

to the OP i would do a google search or go to a website like fuzzyyellowballs.com to watch some basic moves. there are a lot of articles explaining the basics and the physics of the game.

[Bungalo Bill]

well i was assuming others would understand point 1 and 2 were required...not like anyone expects to make power shot off a framer.

I didnt just leave it at "hitting a frame ball". I could also hit slightly off-center. So you need to read it again and stop assuming. Timing and clean contact are critical to power.

for some reason you sound very angry in your post. the person's interpretation was correct.

It was a shallow "pat" answer and did not describe the real reason why the person hit with power.

in general i think this board is getting a lot of weird/stupid threads lately. like the one asking about the best racquets for lefties...x_X.

Well, that is the nature of the boards. Everyone has a choice not to come here.

[AznRamenDude]

Lol, you have got to be kidding me! That answer was NOT a good answer.



Well no kidding! I think we said this above! However, even still you are incomplete in your answer. When a person hits a hard serve to you, it isnt simply "using" your opponents power. I can hit a ball coming in fast and still not generate maximum power. I could mishit, or hit late, and although the ball may go over the net, I will not have maximized power.

Once again, the reason a player can rip a ball back from a ball coming in fast comes from two things:

1. Making clean contact

2. Having good timing

This is what a player needs to do to hit for power whether they play a person that hits the ball hard or not. That is the answer.

Well usually, i would say when someone practice, you actually improve on these naturally. Isn't "improve timing and contact" the same thing as practice?

well i was assuming others would understand point 1 and 2 were required...not like anyone expects to make power shot off a framer.

for some reason you sound very angry in your post. the person's interpretation was correct.

in general i think this board is getting a lot of weird/stupid threads lately. like the one asking about the best racquets for lefties...x_X.

to the OP i would do a google search or go to a website like fuzzyyellowballs.com to watch some basic moves. there are a lot of articles explaining the basics and the physics of the game.

I 2nd that. It's a good site to pick up tips. :)

[Bungalo Bill]

Well usually, i would say when someone practice, you actually improve on these naturally. Isn't "improve timing and contact" the same thing as practice?

When a player rips a serve back that came in pretty fast, chances are he is not swinging very fast and his stroke is very short. So how does that ball come back real fast?

Timing and clean contact. Just because you are practicing your timing doesnt mean you have it or can do it on all shots. Just because you are practicing hitting cleanly, doesn't mean you have it or can do it on all shots.

Watch Federer here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxzFlrFfUrg&feature=related

If players can get past this swinging harder for power and consider that TIMING AND CLEAN CONTACT are were power is mainly derived, you will swing more relaxed, more fluid, and more natural in your shots.

[autumn_leaf]

When a player rips a serve back that came in pretty fast, chances are he is not swinging very fast and his stroke is very short. So how does that ball come back real fast?

Timing and clean contact. Just because you are practicing your timing doesnt mean you have it or can do it on all shots. Just because you are practicing hitting cleanly, doesn't mean you have it or can do it on all shots.

Watch Federer here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxzFlrFfUrg&feature=related

If players can get past this swinging harder for power and consider that TIMING AND CLEAN CONTACT are were power is mainly derived, you will swing more relaxed, more fluid, and more natural in your shots.

Bill, you give good advice, but i'm not sure why you are quoting him. he gave used the word practice in a very general way. compact swings and all that it entails to be successful (timing and clean contact) are most important serve returns.

i don't believe anyone here is suggesting that players should swing for the fences to achieve more power. we learn this when we swing like the Hulk and it sails over the fence and we learn to hit clean and concentrate on timing with the great feel when we hit the sweet spot.

and regarding being able to hit perfectly on all shots, if any of us could do that, we'd be #1 on the tour. the paragraph seemed to be thrown in there with no point because it's obvious no one is perfect and it has a very negative tone to it making it sound like no one should bother practicing timing and clean contact because they can't do it all the time (clearly this is not what you mean by the statement, but that's how it comes across to me).

[Tennis Musician]

I didn't take the time to read the other post so sorry if this has been said.

First go check out the player development videos on USTA website. Watch them in slow motion and enlarge the picture. Notice how the pros are moving their body weight forward and keep their knees bent and head down on the ball.

Second read the complete player section in tennis magazine if you get it. Read the article on James Blake's inside out forehand approach shot. It's really detailed and focuses on his body weight movement. I believe this is in a magazine from 3 months ago maybe more recent.

Third go and practice your shots. If your playing someone who doesn't have a lot of pace it IS dificult to continually generate it. The best way to win a match against someone who doesn't give you much to work with is to place your shots well, and is the return shots are slow it only gives you more time to make the best of your shot.

Justin Gimmelstob (not sure if I spelled his name right) said, "tennis is a game of time, and you have to take time away from your opponent. You do this by hitting the ball harder or taking the ball earlier." I paraphrased that.

Main points: 1. Focus on moving forward, through your shots. Use your body weight.
2. Hit the ball early, out in front. This will re-direct the most energy.
3. Keep your knees bent.
4. Watch the ball. But don't watch it to your racquet, that is a misconception.
5. Swing THROUGH your shots. Don't pull out of your shots in fear of the ball going long.

Those are my thoughts.

[Bungalo Bill]

I didn't take the time to read the other post so sorry if this has been said.

First go check out the player development videos on USTA website. Watch them in slow motion and enlarge the picture. Notice how the pros are moving their body weight forward and keep their knees bent and head down on the ball.

Second read the complete player section in tennis magazine if you get it. Read the article on James Blake's inside out forehand approach shot. It's really detailed and focuses on his body weight movement. I believe this is in a magazine from 3 months ago maybe more recent.

All part of timing. Timing your weight transfer, timing your forward stroke motion into the contact area, timing your stroke motion to be where it should be at contact, ball judgement, timing your split-step, and on and on...

Third go and practice your shots. If your playing someone who doesn't have a lot of pace it IS dificult to continually generate it. The best way to win a match against someone who doesn't give you much to work with is to place your shots well, and is the return shots are slow it only gives you more time to make the best of your shot.

This is why you do not want to develop and engrain a stroke motion that always tries to kill the ball (swinging harder). Players need to be more patient in their development. They need to build up their stroke and stay within their means. Many players do not have a smooth, controlled, repeatable, and dependable stroke motion. They swing real fast on one shot, swing late and rushed on another, swing too slow on another.

Justin Gimmelstob (not sure if I spelled his name right) said, "tennis is a game of time, and you have to take time away from your opponent. You do this by hitting the ball harder or taking the ball earlier." I paraphrased that.

However, "harder" needs to be within the means of the player. If a player can't keep or sustain a rally at a certain pace, then they need to slow it down so they get back into the zone where they hit cleanly with good timing.

If a ball is coming in with a lot of pace, swinging harder is not the answer. Timing the ball place a huge role.

Main points: 1. Focus on moving forward, through your shots. Use your body weight.
2. Hit the ball early, out in front. This will re-direct the most energy.
3. Keep your knees bent.
4. Watch the ball. But don't watch it to your racquet, that is a misconception.
5. Swing THROUGH your shots. Don't pull out of your shots in fear of the ball going long.

Those are good tips we repeat here over and over again.

Those are my thoughts.

Good thoughts.

[Bungalo Bill]

Bill, you give good advice, but i'm not sure why you are quoting him. he gave used the word practice in a very general way. compact swings and all that it entails to be successful (timing and clean contact) are most important serve returns.

I give excellent advice and take the time to be thorough and detailed in my explanations for players to get a good understanding of what they should be doing. I have been doing this for years here. Who are you? Are you counseling me in teaching tennis or providing advice? Are you counseling me on whether there should or shouldn't have been more information provided? Are you counseling on what my opinion should be?

There is only a hand full of people that can do that on these boards and you arent one of them. Sorry to be blunt, but if you are going to argue my position/opinion on what should be advised and what should be explained further, you best know what you are talking about. I dont assume around here because there are to many people on these boards looking for details, clarification, and certainty.

i don't believe anyone here is suggesting that players should swing for the fences to achieve more power. we learn this when we swing like the Hulk and it sails over the fence and we learn to hit clean and concentrate on timing with the great feel when we hit the sweet spot.

Look, if you think that, then you are wrong as well. Should I pull up the posts that advise players to "hit as hard as they can"? Sorry, but if you are going to argue with me, you best pick a better topic.

and regarding being able to hit perfectly on all shots, if any of us could do that, we'd be #1 on the tour. the paragraph seemed to be thrown in there with no point because it's obvious no one is perfect and it has a very negative tone to it making it sound like no one should bother practicing timing and clean contact because they can't do it all the time (clearly this is not what you mean by the statement, but that's how it comes across to me).

Yeah, now you are talking nonsense. Nobody here is talking about "perfect" shots. And even if we are, with the amount of off-center shots hit at the club level, my positons stands. We are talking about WHAT A PLAYER SHOULD DO TO HIT FOR POWER. Do you understand this? I made it clear that I am not talking about extremes here. You are the one brining up extremes. So please back off and learn.

Please if you are going to argue with me, you best understand the topic. It was not enough for a person to say "go and practice" or whatever he said.

It is not about swinging harder and many players do not associate hitting on time and cleanly as one of the main mechanisms to hit for power. Instead many players swing faster or harder and a lot of them go beyond their means which messes up their timing and their ability to hit cleanly.

For power, the most important aspect is for a player to maximize their contact with the ball. Move on please.

[autumn_leaf]

I give excellent advice and take the time to be thorough and detailed in my explanations for players to get a good understanding of what they should be doing. I have been doing this for years here. Who are you? Are you counseling me in teaching tennis or providing advice? Are you counseling me on whether there should or shouldn't have been more information provided? Are you counseling on what my opinion should be?

There is only a hand full of people that can do that on these boards and you arent one of them. Sorry to be blunt, but if you are going to argue my position/opinion on what should be advised and what should be explained further, you best know what you are talking about. I dont assume around here because there are to many people on these boards looking for details, clarification, and certainty.



Look, if you think that, then you are wrong as well. Should I pull up the posts that advise players to "hit as hard as they can"? Sorry, but if you are going to argue with me, you best pick a better topic.



Yeah, now you are talking nonsense. Nobody here is talking about "perfect" shots. And even if we are, with the amount of off-center shots hit at the club level, my positons stands. We are talking about WHAT A PLAYER SHOULD DO TO HIT FOR POWER. Do you understand this? I made it clear that I am not talking about extremes here. You are the one brining up extremes. So please back off and learn.

Please if you are going to argue with me, you best understand the topic. It was not enough for a person to say "go and practice" or whatever he said.

It is not about swinging harder and many players do not associate hitting on time and cleanly as one of the main mechanisms to hit for power. Instead many players swing faster or harder and a lot of them go beyond their means which messes up their timing and their ability to hit cleanly.

For power, the most important aspect is for a player to maximize their contact with the ball. Move on please.

Bill i'm not saying that you don't give excellent advice, i read your posts and i agree with most of them.

for the swing like a Hulk statement you misinterpreted what i meant. the statement was meant to state: do not swing like a hulk because you'll hit it over the fence.

the rest of your post goes on the foundation that i said to swing harder which isn't true, sorry if my post wasn't clear on that but i do not recommend players swing as hard as they can.

[Bungalo Bill]

Bill i'm not saying that you don't give excellent advice, i read your posts and i agree with most of them.

for the swing like a Hulk statement you misinterpreted what i meant. the statement was meant to state: do not swing like a hulk because you'll hit it over the fence.

the rest of your post goes on the foundation that i said to swing harder which isn't true, sorry if my post wasn't clear on that but i do not recommend players swing as hard as they can.

Autumn_leaf,

You really need to let this one go. If I do not feel that a poster explained themselves thorough enough or didnt make sense, it really isn't something you should intervene on to "help" me understand.

Otherwise, we get entangled in a verbal bickering that I dont think any of us want to be in. My position stands regarding the advice the poster in question provided.

[autumn_leaf]

okay bill.

[Noaler]

What a sorta of weird argument you guys got into. You guys solved it at least.

Well turns out I've always been hitting the ball a bit late on medium-paced balls. For fast balls I get the timing right. The problem is I still can't fix it even when I'm focusing!?!?!?!? Any advice.

Oh yea, this does not apply to the BACKHAND.

[Rickson]

I have the opposite problem and I'm guessing most people do as well. Who the hell wants blazing balls coming at them? I'd prefer slow balls any day of the week and I have no problem at all crushing balls that come at me with very little pace.

[Noaler]

I mean yeah of course it works for me, I can crush winners on slow balls, but medium is different. I win half of the time against these hard players. The only medium speed players that beat me are really accurate or more accurate than me.

[Bungalo Bill]

I have the opposite problem and I'm guessing most people do as well. Who the hell wants blazing balls coming at them? I'd prefer slow balls any day of the week and I have no problem at all crushing balls that come at me with very little pace.

During my tennis playing days, I had the same problem as Noaler. No problem timing fast paced sizzlers (even on ROS), but tended to lose my timing on slower balls. In fact, I much rather play against fast ball speeds then slow.

Most of it was in my footwork and being a bit lazy in getting to the ball.

[Rickson]

During my tennis playing days, I had the same problem as Noaler. no problem timing fast paced sizzlers (even on ROS), but tended to lose my timing on slower balls.

You mean you've retired from competitive play?

Most of it was in my footwork and being a bit lazy in getting to the ball.

Don't you need better footwork when going after missiles?

[Bungalo Bill]

You mean you've retired from competitive play?

Dude, I havent seriously played for years. I spend most of my time doing "honey-do's".

Don't you need better footwork when going after missiles?

You need faster footwork. There in lies the issue. When I knew a player hit hard and fast, I was much more alert and my anticipation soared. When I played slower paced players, I tended to get bored and got lazy. I tended to play down. It wasnt that I lost to them all the time, or flubbed up all the time, I simply wasn't as sharp. That was my achilles heel. ;)

[Rickson]

Isn't there some sort of unwritten rule that says you'll fake having fun when playing people below your level?

[Bungalo Bill]

Isn't there some sort of unwritten rule that says you'll fake having fun when playing people below your level?

Haha, I don't know but it sounds good.

[Noaler]

You need faster footwork. There in lies the issue. When I knew a player hit hard and fast, I was much more alert and my anticipation soared. When I played slower paced players, I tended to get bored and got lazy. I tended to play down. It wasnt that I lost to them all the time, or flubbed up all the time, I simply wasn't as sharp. That was my achilles heel. ;)

YEAh, even though I just noticed that yesterday, it's pretty much exactly like me. Except if it's too slow then I tend to always go for winners.

[wyutani]

what is honey-do? are you a bee-keeper?:shock:

[AznRamenDude]

uhm...uhh...bill, not to be rude, but when you post, it sounds like you are only saying that you are right. autumn leaf offer some advice, and you just pretty much shot it down. they are all good advices too.

[Bungalo Bill]

uhm...uhh...bill, not to be rude, but when you post, it sounds like you are only saying that you are right. autumn leaf offer some advice, and you just pretty much shot it down. they are all good advices too.

I am right.

I disagreed with a previous posters post and felt it was too vague. Is that okay with you? Am I allowed to disagree with another persons post? Obviously, you are allowed to disagree with my post?

Now, if you want to argue about it, go right ahead and see how far it gets you.

[Rickson]

You have to give it up to Bungalo, he has a lot of confidence, although I think I can take his backhand.

[Bungalo Bill]

You have to give it up to Bungalo, he has a lot of confidence, although I think I can take his backhand.

My backhand can beat your backhand, all I have to do is hit it a little further away from your 1foot itty-bitty extension. :)

[TennisTrainee]

Bungalo Bill is absolutely right, but I find the mantra of "Timing + Contact = Power" isn't very helpful.

Again, to reiterate (so I don't get flamed), "Timing + Contact = Power" is absolutely true, and likely the problem for many posters looking for more power, but it doesn't give them concrete things to work on.

[Bungalo Bill]

Bungalo Bill is absolutely right, but I find the mantra of "Timing + Contact = Power" isn't very helpful.

Again, to reiterate (so I don't get flamed), "Timing + Contact = Power" is absolutely true, and likely the problem for many posters looking for more power, but it doesn't give them concrete things to work on.

lol, man o man, here we go again. That pisses me off. :)

So, I don't provide any tips or instruction on these boards that I doesn't come with details and that aren't backed up? Maybe you are just not reading or maybe you are having a tough time connecting things. I ain't gonna spell it out for you all the time. ;)

So, nothing concrete? Lets take the forehand for starters.

1. Quit messin with your wrist.

2. Focus on the 4 positions I have repeated over and over again.

3. Use a cadence to improve your timing and rythym with the point like HIT BOUNCE HIT.

4. Dont mess with the WW motion until you can nail the ball in the sweetspot the majority of the time.

5. Hit in front of your body.

6. Go through the ball and extend to help improve clean contact.

7. Rotate your shoulders into the ball. Use your back shoulder as a reference so you dont rotate away from the ball and increase your chance to shank or hit off center.

8. Keep your head quiet in the stroke.

9. Bend your knees

10. Practice your footwork to improve your movement to the ball so you can get there on time and give you a good chance to better time the ball.

11. Prepare early in your unit turn.

Do I need to go on with more? Or do you want me to hold your racquet and hit the ball for you? :)

[Noaler]

lolol, at school I completely destroyed my classmates. Good exercise to practice my speed. They were supposed to hit a ball in, but since they sucked so badly we all played a game who could catch my ball which was physically impossible. I got some more power on my ww forehand by going a little forward and turning my shoulders although I still think I could get more power. Then again, maybe I thinking federal strokes...

[TropicThunder]

Then again, maybe I thinking federal strokes...

what the heck does this mean

[Noaler]

what the heck does this mean

SUPER FAST STROKES

[Bungalo Bill]

SUPER FAST STROKES

Be careful with your thinking. More rotation r swinging harder is not always better. You have to have the foundation and practice to support "more".

You need to find the balance in your ability to remain consistent, place the ball, and hit with depth with power enhancing these not replacing them.

Dont just think power will win you the points. Your movement, court coverage, shot selection, and the above three areas I mentioned are what will help you win more points and games. Use power to enhance not take the place of your efforts.