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Jimmyt
08-23-2008, 12:40 PM
Anyone happen to hear anything new on the release of the Sampras Autograph or whatever it will be called ? its usopen time and i thought i heard it would be around this time?

rosen88
08-24-2008, 12:25 PM
I want to know too! Please someone enlighten me!

Azzurri
08-24-2008, 12:33 PM
Call Pete. He lives in California.

m1stuhxsp4rk5
08-24-2008, 02:47 PM
Call Pete. He lives in California.

hey i live in california maybe i should go and find him lol
i hear hes at ucla sometimes

chiru
08-24-2008, 11:38 PM
this is an interesting question. there has been more than enough hype on these boards about this racket. where the heck is it? anyone have any news?

leonidas1982
08-24-2008, 11:58 PM
he's not making an appearance at this year's open, so I don't know when.

Azzurri
08-25-2008, 07:45 PM
hey i live in california maybe i should go and find him lol
i hear hes at ucla sometimes

his # is listed, just call him.

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 07:56 AM
From Priority 1
Name: [K] ProStaff

http://www.p1tennis.com/images/rfps.jpg

Clecwm
10-14-2008, 07:59 AM
Wow. They muz be trying to replicate a similar stick from the PS6.0.
But IMO, the K-Factor design doesnt seem to go too well with the stick. I think there should be less colour, juz loads of black. :)

foLster
10-14-2008, 08:21 AM
From Priority 1
Name: [K] ProStaff

http://www.p1tennis.com/images/rfps.jpg

Whoa,

no way.

Booyah
10-14-2008, 08:22 AM
that is sick awesome.

airdupont
10-14-2008, 08:23 AM
This is the best looking racket ever....

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 08:25 AM
hopefully we can get the specs sometime soon.

Teamtomo
10-14-2008, 08:33 AM
awesome!!!

seacard
10-14-2008, 08:47 AM
:shock: Must . . . resist . . . just . . . bought . . . new . . . racquet . . .

Trevor
10-14-2008, 08:47 AM
Wow, doesn't look to bad. Do you have any specs on it?

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 08:54 AM
Wow, doesn't look to bad. Do you have any specs on it?

Maybe the guys from P1 can distribute the information. What is the next tournament Pete will be playing in? Perhaps they have already began customizing and stringing for Pete's next event.

Ryoku
10-14-2008, 08:55 AM
Whoa when is that racket coming out?

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-14-2008, 09:03 AM
the kblade pj is nice this just kick it in the ***. im going to resist getting another k90 now lol

sureshs
10-14-2008, 09:17 AM
Wow! So the racquet is confirmed! Wait till Breakpoint comes to know of this.

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-14-2008, 09:25 AM
Wow, doesn't look to bad. Do you have any specs on it?

i remember hearing someone say it will be 88 sq in head size 340 grams. thats all i remember

seacard
10-14-2008, 09:28 AM
i remember hearing someone say it will be 88 sq in head size 340 grams. thats all i remember

So it sounds like it will be a "tweener" "game improvement" racquet. Does anybody here even play with a racquet that light? :twisted:

VGP
10-14-2008, 09:40 AM
Cool. I hope it's for real......and affordable too.

But I'm not sure if I like the looks of it.

At least it's majority black.

VGP
10-14-2008, 09:42 AM
From recent photos though, it looks like Sampras has been using a blacked-out k90......

Azzurri
10-14-2008, 09:47 AM
as long as the SW is in the 325-327 range I will buy one.

sureshs
10-14-2008, 09:51 AM
Now of course we need to argue whether Sampras really uses this racquet or a paintjob :-)

Pete Sampras
10-14-2008, 09:52 AM
i don't use it

sureshs
10-14-2008, 09:53 AM
i don't use it

Hi Pete....

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 10:02 AM
Sampras to Play Blake on December 14 at LSU. Most likely, the racquet will be unveiled -- hopefully.

http://www.samprasfanz.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?id=1223048555

sureshs
10-14-2008, 10:03 AM
Tell me, if this is the stick that Pete is using, why is it being customized at P1 and for whom?

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 10:05 AM
Tell me, if this is the stick that Pete is using, why is it being customized at P1 and for whom?

The same reason Federer or other pros use P1.

sureshs
10-14-2008, 10:07 AM
The same reason Federer or other pros use P1.

Remember this is not in mass production yet so that they have to sift thru 100s of frames before a spec match is met.

And this is assuming Fed's stick is coming from stock - more likely it has a custom composition.

To me it looks like the PJ issue has started even before the racquet is released!

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 10:10 AM
Well we know this, Pete uses a custom grip -- a service provided by P1 in the past. P1 also strings for Sampras.

sureshs
10-14-2008, 10:12 AM
Well we know this, Pete uses a custom grip -- a service provided by P1 in the past. P1 also strings for Sampras.

OK I will buy that.

And also the frame when it comes out :-)

JamaicanYoute
10-14-2008, 10:12 AM
Finally. I hope this is legit.

Glad it's Black (mostly), I just hope that it wont be any smaller than 90 sq. in., and that the swing weight is between that of the K Factor and the PS 6.0.

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 10:16 AM
OK I will buy that.

And also the frame when it comes out :-)

It's a certain purchase for me, if Wilson reasonably prices it (I expect $199).

wangs78
10-14-2008, 10:19 AM
From Priority 1
Name: [K] ProStaff

http://www.p1tennis.com/images/rfps.jpg

The throat area looks fine but the graphics around the rest of the frame, with the emphasis on "Kfactor" graphics is a bit of a turnoff

sureshs
10-14-2008, 10:19 AM
It is definitely a 90 I should say because Pete had said before that his prototype was bigger than what he used to play with.

What do you think will be the differences from the K90?

JamaicanYoute
10-14-2008, 10:24 AM
It is definitely a 90 I should say because Pete had said before that his prototype was bigger than what he used to play with.

What do you think will be the differences from the K90?

I personally think that if there's a weight difference it'll be a little lighter. Hopefully the swing weight will be a little less. I'm glad the throat looks more like the old P.S.

I think if they made a perfect blend between the K90 and the P.S. it will be perfection lol.

sureshs
10-14-2008, 10:28 AM
Post your estimated specs for this racquet (in detail) and we will see who had the closest match when the frame is released.

fastdunn
10-14-2008, 10:30 AM
From Priority 1
Name: [K] ProStaff

http://www.p1tennis.com/images/rfps.jpg

Those are two of the best looking frames for me.

MichaelChang
10-14-2008, 11:49 AM
Where is breakpoint? :)

sureshs
10-14-2008, 11:52 AM
Where is breakpoint? :)

That question has been bothering me a lot today. Hope the economy has not taken such a severe toll on him that he is no longer interested in this.

sureshs
10-14-2008, 11:53 AM
I have fired off an email to Wilson and received an ack of my email from them. Reply is supposed to follow. I suspect it will be the non-commital "we cannot comment" kind of reply.

CCSurf
10-14-2008, 12:10 PM
Note the difference between the K90 and the Sampras model at the top of the throat's left and right sides: the K90 has the "rounded filler" while the Sampras has the classic ps style.

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 12:18 PM
Post your estimated specs for this racquet (in detail) and we will see who had the closest match when the frame is released.

We'll have to wait and see.


Length: 27"
Head size: 88 sq in
Strung weight: 12.3oz - 12.4oz (349 - 352 grams)
Balance: 8pts HL
Swingweight: 325 - 330
Stiffness: 67
Beam: 17mm
Composition: 80% Karophite Black (graphite)/ 20% Kevlar
Power: Low
Swing Speed: Fast
Pattern: 16x19

BreakPoint
10-14-2008, 12:20 PM
I'm glad that it looks like Wilson will be finally putting this new racquet out sometime soon. But I have to say that I don't like the paintjob at all. They tried too hard to mix in the old with the new so now it just looks strange. I know most of you like the old classic black with red and yellow pinstripe paintjob of the PS 6.0 but personally I never liked it. I thought it looked very dated. I was hoping for a totally new paintjob, like a nice royal blue similar to the AG100/200. :)

BreakPoint
10-14-2008, 12:24 PM
Tell me, if this is the stick that Pete is using, why is it being customized at P1 and for whom?
Priority One is Nate Ferguson, Pete's old stringer. So likely Pete is still using Nate to string and customize his racquets.

BreakPoint
10-14-2008, 12:25 PM
OK I will buy that.

And also the frame when it comes out :-)
I think in all the excitement, you have completely forgotten that this is a MID! :shock:

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 12:27 PM
I'm glad that it looks like Wilson will be finally putting this new racquet out sometime soon. But I have to say that I don't like the paintjob at all. They tried too hard to mix in the old with the new so now it just looks strange. I know most of you like the old classic black with red and yellow pinstripe paintjob of the PS 6.0 but personally I never liked it. I thought it looked very dated. I was hoping for a totally new paintjob, like a nice royal blue similar to the AG100/200. :)

I commend their effort; I would prefer dark blue and silver instead of red and yellow for the pinstripes.

BreakPoint
10-14-2008, 12:27 PM
It is definitely a 90 I should say because Pete had said before that his prototype was bigger than what he used to play with.

Hmmm.....isn't 88 also bigger than 85?

VGP
10-14-2008, 12:34 PM
It seems they've kept the old Pro Staff wide red stripe with the juxtaposition of the thinner yellow stripe, but in looking at the single pic it seems the paintjob lacks the "flow" of the previous versions.

I'm sure Wilson were compelled to maintain continuity of the cosmetics with the current K-Factor line. From a distance, it'll just look like a classic black racket anyway, but up close, it's just ok. It seems the old frame is classic 80's style, whereas this frame looks like cheesy 70's style.

I guess it's a "Monet" of a frame.

...but, it's nice to see Pete's sig on it......they've even managed to squeeze in the old "PRO STAFF" in the old font on the side, too.

VGP
10-14-2008, 12:35 PM
I think in all the excitement, you have completely forgotten that this is a MID! :shock:

He didn't say he was gonna go play matches with it.

I'd get one just to get one........

....even though I'm not sold on the cosmetics. One looks like a 70's reject frame, the other looks like a used bloody Kleenex.

BreakPoint
10-14-2008, 12:41 PM
He didn't say he was gonna go play matches with it.

I'd get one just to get one........

....even though I'm not sold on the cosmetics. One looks like a 70's reject frame, the other looks like a used bloody Kleenex.
You're right. Personally, however, I only buy racquets to play with and not for any other purpose.

Speedygonzalez
10-14-2008, 12:42 PM
Is this for real or is some forum member very skilled in either photoshop or paint jobs?

jcstennis
10-14-2008, 12:43 PM
those are some long pieces of leather under the racquets :)

it would be nice to see the number 14 somewhere on the racquet... maybe on the butt-cap.

K Pro Staff pj around the throat is nice, but the hoop looks... well, that may take some getting used to!

BreakPoint
10-14-2008, 12:44 PM
Is this for real or is some forum member very skilled in either photoshop or paint jobs?
It's real. It's from the Priority One website: http://www.p1tennis.com/contact/

theProdigy
10-14-2008, 12:51 PM
wow...i didn't think i'd ever see it. if TW is taking pre-orders anytime soon, they can put me down for 6 of em.

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 12:54 PM
Is this for real or is some forum member very skilled in either photoshop or paint jobs?

expect to see him use it at LSU against Blake on December 14 and at London's Royal Albert Hall -- also in December.

Speedygonzalez
10-14-2008, 12:55 PM
It's real. It's from the Priority One website: http://www.p1tennis.com/contact/

Thanks! Feel bit disappointed though, thought it would be a good joke:).

However, I don't like the PJ some so much. Why mixing up a simple and clean pj with these IMO ugly Kfactor cosmetics?

bronco_mba
10-14-2008, 01:07 PM
Exciting stuff.

Another image from the P1 website - a bit blurry, but appears to be the side of the throat area.

http://www.p1tennis.com/blog/permalink/randmstudio-visits-priority-one/

sureshs
10-14-2008, 01:27 PM
I'm glad that it looks like Wilson will be finally putting this new racquet out sometime soon. But I have to say that I don't like the paintjob at all. They tried too hard to mix in the old with the new so now it just looks strange. I know most of you like the old classic black with red and yellow pinstripe paintjob of the PS 6.0 but personally I never liked it. I thought it looked very dated. I was hoping for a totally new paintjob, like a nice royal blue similar to the AG100/200. :)

I think they want to make sure people realize it is a K Factor and Wilson is not backtracking

sureshs
10-14-2008, 01:28 PM
I think in all the excitement, you have completely forgotten that this is a MID! :shock:

With my skills, I can play with any frame. Or rather it is unlikely to make a difference in the results ...

sureshs
10-14-2008, 01:29 PM
Hmmm.....isn't 88 also bigger than 85?

See what happens when you are away from the board for a while

jazar
10-14-2008, 01:30 PM
Post your estimated specs for this racquet (in detail) and we will see who had the closest match when the frame is released.

there is no point in estimating the specs when we already know that the headsize is 88 square inches and the unstrung weight 340g. if people bother to read all the other weekly threads that have been started on this racket then they would know that, cos i posted it ages ago after wilsons guys actually told me them

theProdigy
10-14-2008, 01:42 PM
could we possibly see it release by christmas??? i'd spoil myself if it did...but i have a feeling we'll see it AO time like along with everything else that comes out for the new season.

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 01:49 PM
there is no point in estimating the specs when we already know that the headsize is 88 square inches and the unstrung weight 340g. if people bother to read all the other weekly threads that have been started on this racket then they would know that, cos i posted it ages ago after wilsons guys actually told me them

which thread was that in? there are several sampras prototype threads. thanks.

sureshs
10-14-2008, 02:09 PM
Why 88? Was there ever a confirmed 88?

plasma
10-14-2008, 02:14 PM
groovy, but why 90? seems kinda vanilla when pistol pete made his name with the 85, before max factor, I mean k factor was the new "cosmetic" (pardon the pun) on the same ol crapstaff.




Fischer Vacuum Pro 90
with vintage technifibre 505 at 46 lbs.


Maybe Connors was great despite the T2000 and not because of it???

Alexio92
10-14-2008, 03:05 PM
I might get myself 1, even if it is just to look at however bad it looks/play.

[d]ragon
10-14-2008, 04:16 PM
yea i dont like the pj at all. it just doesnt look right. plus, i never really liked black, red, and yellow together.

hope they also come in a 95 tho

MonsieurCrocodile
10-14-2008, 04:23 PM
I quite like the new style. I think it's a perfect blend of old and new; Sampras and Federer, if you will!

forehand2theface
10-14-2008, 04:36 PM
i'd buy one just cause itll be a collectors item along with my dad's old ps 85 :)

VGP
10-14-2008, 05:13 PM
I'd consider using the racket if it's similar enough, if not better, than the PS85.

Plus, I can still use my favorite ORANGE overgrips!

BTW, looking at the pic it looks like the "S" in in PRO STAFF is a "lazy" S. What's up with that?

FedererForehand
10-14-2008, 05:25 PM
Its beautiful.

OleNole
10-14-2008, 05:42 PM
I've never bought a Wilson, but I might make an exception here.
Wonder if any tour pros will use it, or at least the pj?

Hedges
10-14-2008, 06:49 PM
Give me THAT......NOW!

matchmaker
10-14-2008, 09:10 PM
We'll have to wait and see.


Length: 27"
Head size: 88 sq in
Strung weight: 12.3oz - 12.4oz (349 - 352 grams)
Balance: 8pts HL
Swingweight: 325 - 330
Stiffness: 67
Beam: 17mm
Composition: 80% Karophite Black (graphite)/ 20% Kevlar
Power: Low
Swing Speed: Fast
Pattern: 16x19

I hope it will be a bit more flexible, say 63 RA like the good ol' st vincents.

matchmaker
10-14-2008, 09:11 PM
The paintjob looks okay to me, one could guess they would come up with something like that.

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 09:39 PM
I hope it will be a bit more flexible, say 63 RA like the good ol' st vincents.

Could be, but i think they'll use one similar to the k90 for the modern appeal.

zidane339
10-14-2008, 09:44 PM
Looks sweet. Like a blend of kblade with k90

BreakPoint
10-14-2008, 10:22 PM
I hope it will be a bit more flexible, say 63 RA like the good ol' st vincents.
Hmmm....the St. Vincents are supposed to be stiffer than the other versions because they were thicker at 18mm. It is said that Sampras liked the stiffer feel of the St. Vincents.

Fedace
10-14-2008, 10:44 PM
So what is the difference between the Pete sampras K factor and Federer's K-factor, they look very similar. Which is more Powerful ??

stormholloway
10-14-2008, 10:53 PM
I love the paintjob. I expected some hi-tech mumbo jumbo, but this is nice.

stormholloway
10-14-2008, 10:53 PM
So what is the difference between the Pete sampras K factor and Federer's K-factor, they look very similar. Which is more Powerful ??

Uhhhhhh..... it's a picture. And what a strange question....

Fedace
10-14-2008, 11:02 PM
Uhhhhhh..... it's a picture. And what a strange question....

So are same racket with different PJ ?? Is that what you are saying ? I don't think so. this racket was made specifically for Pete. i suspect it is more powerful since it has a thicker beam and he is a old man now so he needs more power or needs a game improvement racket..:)

leonidas1982
10-14-2008, 11:11 PM
So what is the difference between the Pete sampras K factor and Federer's K-factor, they look very similar. Which is more Powerful ??

Pete's is 88 sq in. As for power, I suspect it might be a bit lower than the k90.

stormholloway
10-14-2008, 11:42 PM
So are same racket with different PJ ?? Is that what you are saying ? I don't think so. this racket was made specifically for Pete. i suspect it is more powerful since it has a thicker beam and he is a old man now so he needs more power or needs a game improvement racket..:)

The racquet isn't made for Pete. It's made for a market. Welcome to economics 101.

aimr75
10-15-2008, 12:15 AM
i like it... majority black
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BDAZ
10-15-2008, 12:17 AM
i see what they were trying to do with the pj, and it's kind of clever, but that thing is ugly.

jazar
10-15-2008, 12:33 AM
which thread was that in?

most of them

pennc94
10-15-2008, 05:26 AM
Hmmm....the St. Vincents are supposed to be stiffer than the other versions because they were thicker at 18mm. It is said that Sampras liked the stiffer feel of the St. Vincents.

Well, according to Greg Raven:

http://hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html

Pete's SV has an RDC stiffness of 62.

ericsson
10-15-2008, 05:32 AM
Well, according to Greg Raven:

http://hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html

Pete's SV has an RDC stiffness of 62.

Yea after all the customizing and weight added...

matchmaker
10-15-2008, 05:33 AM
Well, according to Greg Raven:

http://hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html

Pete's SV has an RDC stiffness of 62.

Thanks for backing this with facts, I was just about to do the same.

St. Vincent and Chicago models were more flexible than later Chinese and Taiwanese ones.

matchmaker
10-15-2008, 05:34 AM
Yea after all the customizing and weight added...

Weight does not change the flex of a frame.

matchmaker
10-15-2008, 05:36 AM
Could be, but i think they'll use one similar to the k90 for the modern appeal.

That is just the point, if they make another K90 with a different paintjob, what is their target market? It should be different to make it interesting.

leonidas1982
10-15-2008, 06:20 AM
That is just the point, if they make another K90 with a different paintjob, what is their target market? It should be different to make it interesting.

I would argue that 88 sq in and a lower strung weight is different from the k90.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 07:20 AM
Hmmm....the St. Vincents are supposed to be stiffer than the other versions because they were thicker at 18mm. It is said that Sampras liked the stiffer feel of the St. Vincents.

I have heard this countless times, but I still don't get it. to me, the SV feels softer at impact. I don't know why..the Taiwan version feels very stiff.

sureshs
10-15-2008, 07:29 AM
No reply from Wilson yet. Have I shaken up the boardroom with my question?

rabidturtle
10-15-2008, 07:44 AM
ragon;2784689']plus, i never really liked black, red, and yellow together.

hope they also come in a 95 tho


Ahhheemmmm! PC officer! :)


This racket is just a k90 with a paintjob... but I'd still buy one.

suppawat
10-15-2008, 08:15 AM
From Priority 1
Name: [K] ProStaff

http://www.p1tennis.com/images/rfps.jpg

Wilson marketing strategy sounds interesting. These 2 racquets look good when they are together. K90 is almost 2 years old now and it's pretty close to the end of product life cycle. I'd be interested to see if Wilson will come out with a package of K90 and K-ProStaff for less than $350 :twisted: May be K-ProStaff boosts K90 sales.

Cup8489
10-15-2008, 08:29 AM
i know no one else seems to like the PJ, but it's much sleeker looking than the K90, and it definitely has me getting excited.

theProdigy
10-15-2008, 08:34 AM
i hope the paint quality is going to be better than the k90. if you just look at the k90 funny, the paint starts to chip away.

nalk7
10-15-2008, 08:46 AM
I LOVE IT! will definitely demo it when it comes out :D tho I dont think Ill make a switch, Im pretty happy with my k90s

BreakPoint
10-15-2008, 11:59 AM
Well, according to Greg Raven:

http://hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html

Pete's SV has an RDC stiffness of 62.

Thanks for backing this with facts, I was just about to do the same.

St. Vincent and Chicago models were more flexible than later Chinese and Taiwanese ones.

I have heard this countless times, but I still don't get it. to me, the SV feels softer at impact. I don't know why..the Taiwan version feels very stiff.
Well, Nate Ferguson used to select and customize all of Pete Sampras' frames, so I would think he would know better than anyone, including Pete himself:

"Yes, there are differences between the three versions produced over the years, but most significantly, Pete wants to stay with what has worked so well over the years. In this case, different is bad. The differences, although perhaps imperceptible to the average club player, are in the "feel" the racquet gives him. The St. Vincent made Pro Staff is the stiffest and what I call "harshest". Other versions of the racquet are more comfortable and softer."

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Features/9908NateFerguson.html

BTW, did Greg Raven also measure another version of the PS 6.0 85 with identical weight customizations on the same RDC machine? Besides, the St. Vincent he measured was well used by Pete at the highest levels of tennis so I'm sure it had had softened up quite a bit from repeated use over the years. In addition, when I hit with a new China version a few years ago, the frame felt like the flex was below RA 62 to me.

I think what some of you guys are feeling is an 17 to 25 year-old racquet that has fatigued a lot over the years and lost quite a bit of its stiffness from repeated use and restringings. Don't forget that the St. Vincents were all made between 1983 and 1991, so yes, they are pretty old and graphite does eventually break down and become softer over time from repeated use and repeated restringings.

TnTBigman
10-15-2008, 02:18 PM
thats a sweet looking PJ. Keeping those Red and Yellow lines that defined the PS85........nice. And the way they used it on the contours of the racquet............SICK!!!

stormholloway
10-15-2008, 02:42 PM
I love the paint job as well, finally. When is this thing coming out?

Shangri La
10-15-2008, 02:51 PM
Hope they'll also release a 95 version.

psp2
10-15-2008, 03:40 PM
I have heard this countless times, but I still don't get it. to me, the SV feels softer at impact. I don't know why..the Taiwan version feels very stiff.

Agreed... every one of my SV/Chicago frames feels "softer" than my Taiwanese/Chinese versions.

sureshs
10-15-2008, 03:53 PM
Wonder how much Pete is getting to put his name on the stick

Fedace
10-15-2008, 03:56 PM
Wonder how much Pete is getting to put his name on the stick

I am sure millions but i wonder how many of the Tour pros will be converting to this stick. ??? i am sure alot of the guys that use K90 will be at least looking and demoing the frame, i am sure.

BreakPoint
10-15-2008, 04:16 PM
Agreed... every one of my SV/Chicago frames feels "softer" than my Taiwanese/Chinese versions.
Hmmm....I know a lot of people on this board feel that the China versions feel the most flexible.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 04:43 PM
Well, Nate Ferguson used to select and customize all of Pete Sampras' frames, so I would think he would know better than anyone, including Pete himself:

"Yes, there are differences between the three versions produced over the years, but most significantly, Pete wants to stay with what has worked so well over the years. In this case, different is bad. The differences, although perhaps imperceptible to the average club player, are in the "feel" the racquet gives him. The St. Vincent made Pro Staff is the stiffest and what I call "harshest". Other versions of the racquet are more comfortable and softer."

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Features/9908NateFerguson.html

BTW, did Greg Raven also measure another version of the PS 6.0 85 with identical weight customizations on the same RDC machine? Besides, the St. Vincent he measured was well used by Pete at the highest levels of tennis so I'm sure it had had softened up quite a bit from repeated use over the years. In addition, when I hit with a new China version a few years ago, the frame felt like the flex was below RA 62 to me.

I think what some of you guys are feeling is an 17 to 25 year-old racquet that has fatigued a lot over the years and lost quite a bit of its stiffness from repeated use and restringings. Don't forget that the St. Vincents were all made between 1983 and 1991, so yes, they are pretty old and graphite does eventually break down and become softer over time from repeated use and repeated restringings.

that certainly could be the case. But the 2 SV that I own are in near mint condition (9.5/10) and the Taiwan is very, very used (maybe 5/10) and that Taiwan version is very stiff compared to the other 2 SV. They feel very different, so I completely understand why Pete only played the SV..they just feel softer, like butter. Yes, Nate would know but I still don't understand it myself. IMO, the Taiwan is kinda crappy in feel (not playablity) comapred to the SV.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Agreed... every one of my SV/Chicago frames feels "softer" than my Taiwanese/Chinese versions.

As I stated above, Nate would know more about the PS than we would, but it still does not explain why I and many others feel the SV has a softer feel. Upon impact it provides a feeling that it has some kind of foam inside the racquet. My Taiwan and the newer China (that I bought and sold very quickly because it was a piece of junk compared to the SV) were much stiffer feeling. Unless someone plays both, its a hard feeling to describe, but it is very different. BP does make sense with age and constant stringing, but in my case its kinda the opposite. My TW made is very used and has been strung many, many times. Both my SV are in perfect, hardly used condition.

as for me, I love the PJ. Its a "modern" look for the old PS 85. At least is black and kept its color base. Anything else would not have made it a PS .

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 04:53 PM
Hmmm....I know a lot of people on this board feel that the China versions feel the most flexible.

in all honesty, I don't recall anyone saying the China was more flexible. I have read that people feel there was no discernable difference, but not the China being more flexible..but that is just me.

BreakPoint
10-15-2008, 04:55 PM
that certainly could be the case. But the 2 SV that I own are in near mint condition (9.5/10) and the Taiwan is very, very used (maybe 5/10) and that Taiwan version is very stiff compared to the other 2 SV. They feel very different, so I completely understand why Pete only played the SV..they just feel softer, like butter. Yes, Nate would know but I still don't understand it myself. IMO, the Taiwan is kinda crappy in feel (not playablity) comapred to the SV.
I understand some of the early Taiwan versions used a unidirectional layup instead of a braided layup which is why they have a different feel.

"After the St. Vincent factory closed, Wilson tried to make the rackets in Taiwan using an all uni-directional layup. However, the racquets didn't have the same feel as braided construction and they are now producing frames with braided product. According to Bill Severa, Senior Designer with Wilson Racquet Sports, "the uni-directional graphite ProStaffs were a stopgap measure. Within 4 months of the St. Vincent factory closing, we went through 12 - 15 iterations of braided construction. Shortly thereafter, we were up and running with braided construction ProStaffs from Taiwan. We feel we have the closest layup to the old St. Vincent frames and most players who've played with both agree. There will always be a few, like Pete Sampras, who prefer a particular racquet for whatever reasons."

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/60/ProstaffOrigins.html

I've never hit with a St. Vincent, but the China version feels very flexible to me.

BreakPoint
10-15-2008, 04:57 PM
in all honesty, I don't recall anyone saying the China was more flexible. I have read that people feel there was no discernable difference, but not the China being more flexible..but that is just me.
I do recall quite a few people commenting that they prefer the China version most because it was the most flexible. Some people even said that they found the St. Vincent versions too stiff.

Mansewerz
10-15-2008, 05:18 PM
st vincents were 63 RA? What if Fed begins using this???

Mansewerz
10-15-2008, 05:22 PM
Paintjob looks great. Better than K90, not quite better than the n90 though. That racquet and the n95, were beautiful!!! I like the use of silver!


Also, wouldn't Sampras like a more flexy racquet for feel?

NoBadMojo
10-15-2008, 05:34 PM
I can see this racquet as the trip down memory lane midsize racquet in the line, Fed switching to a 95 headsize version of it, and the k90 being discontinued all about the same time. Think the k95 still has some longevity to it . Most companies either have 0 or 1 midsized offering in their line...

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 06:20 PM
I understand some of the early Taiwan versions used a unidirectional layup instead of a braided layup which is why they have a different feel.

"After the St. Vincent factory closed, Wilson tried to make the rackets in Taiwan using an all uni-directional layup. However, the racquets didn't have the same feel as braided construction and they are now producing frames with braided product. According to Bill Severa, Senior Designer with Wilson Racquet Sports, "the uni-directional graphite ProStaffs were a stopgap measure. Within 4 months of the St. Vincent factory closing, we went through 12 - 15 iterations of braided construction. Shortly thereafter, we were up and running with braided construction ProStaffs from Taiwan. We feel we have the closest layup to the old St. Vincent frames and most players who've played with both agree. There will always be a few, like Pete Sampras, who prefer a particular racquet for whatever reasons."

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/60/ProstaffOrigins.html

I've never hit with a St. Vincent, but the China version feels very flexible to me.


That could be the reason. Mine feels very, very stiff. It's been almost 1 1/2 years since I hit with the newer China model and I played it roughly 4-5 sets (2 matches). I just remember I disliked the feel because I was just playing the SV for a little while. I sold it. No one I play with has the PS 85, so not sure I could even re-hit with one to see how different it is compared to my Taiwan.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 06:22 PM
I do recall quite a few people commenting that they prefer the China version most because it was the most flexible. Some people even said that they found the St. Vincent versions too stiff.

I believe you. I am sure others have different feeling regarding the PS 85 version Wilson made over the years. But man, hitting with the SV is just an experience.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 06:26 PM
I can see this racquet as the trip down memory lane midsize racquet in the line, Fed switching to a 95 headsize version of it, and the k90 being discontinued all about the same time. Think the k95 still has some longevity to it . Most companies either have 0 or 1 midsized offering in their line...

Mojo..sorry to get off topic. I am going to re-string my racquets in a few weeks. Samster sent me some ISO strings. The newer version and the classic. Do you have an idea how different they are? what color is the classic, I forgot. I will string the mains with Klip Legend 18. thanks.

roundiesee
10-15-2008, 06:29 PM
St Vincent's has the best feel IMHO but it's not easy to play with because of it's weight. Azzuri is right to say that it's really quite an experience to play with one, especially on the serve.

stormholloway
10-15-2008, 07:26 PM
You guys are stuck in the past. I want info on this new stick.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 07:39 PM
You guys are stuck in the past. I want info on this new stick.

I thought you moved with the monks or something.:razz::lol:

NoBadMojo
10-15-2008, 07:51 PM
Mojo..sorry to get off topic. I am going to re-string my racquets in a few weeks. Samster sent me some ISO strings. The newer version and the classic. Do you have an idea how different they are? what color is the classic, I forgot. I will string the mains with Klip Legend 18. thanks.

no problemo. i've been using my setup w. the ISO Pro Classic x's for perhaps a couple years now or more and have hit w. the new one. I notice a significant difference even w. using the strings in a hybrid.

in a nutshell, i think the new one plays a little more springy and more like a multi and the Classic gives you some poly benefit with the poly type of spin.

a word of caution about the 18g Legend...VERY spinny at the expense of power/penetration, so that may effect tension and performance of whatever x string you choose

stormholloway
10-15-2008, 08:03 PM
I thought you moved with the monks or something.:razz::lol:

Try Cardinals. I'm movin to Rome.

Racquet Man
10-15-2008, 08:09 PM
:idea: The new P1 website has a contact page (after all, isn't that where the photo of the new Sampras racquet was first posted). So why don't you all contact P1 with your questions. I'm sure Ron and Nate will love to hear from you with all your questions on the new Sampras racquet!
Clearly, no one here knows diddly squat about the new racquet! Wilson is not responding to inquiries about the racquet! Nate Fergussen is seen working on the new Sampras racquet in one of the photos on the site......therefore its simple logic my friends: contact P1 to get all the info to answer your questions.....they'll love to hear from all of you:twisted:

(I'm kidding of course. You don't want to bring down their new site after all! But instead, maybe Ron Yu (who posts here from time to time)can shed some light if he's checking in from Madrid or when he gets back!) :)

chlsmo
10-16-2008, 02:53 AM
one more blurry mostly useless pic:

http://develop.ponetennis.com/files/images/nateps.jpg

VGP
10-16-2008, 05:09 AM
^^^^ I like that pic. It's nice to see Pete's former personal racket technician and a photo that implies that he's working on his new signature frame......

.....A decade and a half too late though. Hey they tried with that blue and green paintjob back in the day.

Azzurri
10-16-2008, 06:51 AM
no problemo. i've been using my setup w. the ISO Pro Classic x's for perhaps a couple years now or more and have hit w. the new one. I notice a significant difference even w. using the strings in a hybrid.

in a nutshell, i think the new one plays a little more springy and more like a multi and the Classic gives you some poly benefit with the poly type of spin.

a word of caution about the 18g Legend...VERY spinny at the expense of power/penetration, so that may effect tension and performance of whatever x string you choose

Thanks for the information...very usefull.

I string at 63 lbs. How would that effect the X string? I never tried Legen 18. I want less power.

Azzurri
10-16-2008, 06:52 AM
Try Cardinals. I'm movin to Rome.

for how long? work?

ShooterMcMarco
10-16-2008, 12:30 PM
Cool, I want to demo that racquet.

Trevor
10-16-2008, 12:46 PM
Deleted at request.

PeterFig
10-16-2008, 12:57 PM
Hi Trevor,

The racquets we receive for Pete come to us with no molded handles on them. We mold handles and add weight to make them up to Pete's specs, so I don't know what the specs will be when they go to the consumers from Wilson.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Regards,

--Ron

Neat!
So does anyone know when Pete is next playing 'in public' such as an exhibition?
It's likely that he'll use these new frames then and I'm sure Wilson will officially release them or at least info on them at or before that event.

leonidas1982
10-16-2008, 01:24 PM
Neat!
So does anyone know when Pete is next playing 'in public' such as an exhibition?
It's likely that he'll use these new frames then and I'm sure Wilson will officially release them or at least info on them at or before that event.

I am aware of the Blackrock tour at London's Royal Albert Hall in early December as well as an exhibition with Blake on Dec 15 at LSU.

leonidas1982
10-16-2008, 01:35 PM
Hi Trevor,

The racquets we receive for Pete come to us with no molded handles on them. We mold handles and add weight to make them up to Pete's specs, so I don't know what the specs will be when they go to the consumers from Wilson.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Regards,

--Ron

I got the same response. It seems as if Sampras will be getting the same treatment as Federer -- I don't expect to see layers of lead.

Racquet Man
10-16-2008, 01:51 PM
Hi Trevor,

The racquets we receive for Pete come to us with no molded handles on them. We mold handles and add weight to make them up to Pete's specs, so I don't know what the specs will be when they go to the consumers from Wilson.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Regards,

--Ron

Looks like my advice to contact P1 for the specs didn't quite pan out....sorry:cry:

But Ron, could you share details on the head size;etc? Is it fair to assume that the racquet Wilson's pro room provided P1 to customize is the same size as the consumer model, or is it a custom beast, like Djokovic's?

Gorecki
10-16-2008, 01:55 PM
:shock: Must . . . resist . . . just . . . bought . . . new . . . racquet . . .

hilarious post of the week...

i felt the same way too!

JoshDragon
10-16-2008, 08:01 PM
:shock: Must . . . resist . . . just . . . bought . . . new . . . racquet . . .

Haha. I know that feeling :D.

carlos djackal
10-16-2008, 11:29 PM
From Priority 1
Name: [K] ProStaff

http://www.p1tennis.com/images/rfps.jpg


whoaaa....nice pic...the new sampras racket looks cool...

christo
10-17-2008, 09:55 AM
I'm glad that it looks like Wilson will be finally putting this new racquet out sometime soon. But I have to say that I don't like the paintjob at all. They tried too hard to mix in the old with the new so now it just looks strange. I know most of you like the old classic black with red and yellow pinstripe paintjob of the PS 6.0 but personally I never liked it. I thought it looked very dated. I was hoping for a totally new paintjob, like a nice royal blue similar to the AG100/200. :)

barf, eeeooow.

morten
10-17-2008, 12:19 PM
I hope it wont be as sluggish as the K90...

PimpMyGame
10-17-2008, 12:25 PM
Cool, I want to demo that racquet.

Skip the demo, I want three. Now.

sureshs
10-17-2008, 01:43 PM
I do recall quite a few people commenting that they prefer the China version most because it was the most flexible. Some people even said that they found the St. Vincent versions too stiff.

So you are a GURU now. I thought GOAT was the pinnacle of success. Did they newly create it?

kimbahpnam
10-17-2008, 01:54 PM
i guess now would be the time to get rid of the k90s while there's still time.

when is pete's next exhibition/match?

leonidas1982
10-17-2008, 02:00 PM
i guess now would be the time to get rid of the k90s while there's still time.

when is pete's next exhibition/match?

I know of Dec 15 at LSU against Blake. Also, there is a BlackRock event at London's Royal Albert Hall in early December.

PeterFig
10-17-2008, 04:14 PM
http://www.designrepublic.ca/kstaff.jpg


.... now this is where I explain that the image above is just a mockup I created based on the photo from Priority One. It's not any sort of official Wilson image. I basically took all the visible elements from the Priority One photo and created the standard racquet 'headshot'.

:)

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-17-2008, 05:20 PM
http://www.designrepublic.ca/kstaff.jpg


.... now this is where I explain that the image above is just a mockup I created based on the photo from Priority One. It's not any sort of official Wilson image. I basically took all the visible elements from the Priority One photo and created the standard racquet 'headshot'.

:)

wow nice work pete it looks awesome

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-17-2008, 05:20 PM
i think if the made the k red it might look cooler

colonelforbin
10-17-2008, 05:51 PM
http://www.designrepublic.ca/kstaff.jpg


.... now this is where I explain that the image above is just a mockup I created based on the photo from Priority One. It's not any sort of official Wilson image. I basically took all the visible elements from the Priority One photo and created the standard racquet 'headshot'.

:)

Looks really cool, however I think it would be *perfect* if they took away the white K's from 3/9 o'clock and left those areas black.

Conquistador
10-17-2008, 06:49 PM
I love how much of a class act Wilson is for bringing in this gem..They are putting Federer and Sampras together to make somewhat of a surreal racquet..An all star of all stars racquet that will sell through the roof

leonidas1982
10-17-2008, 06:51 PM
http://www.designrepublic.ca/kstaff.jpg


.... now this is where I explain that the image above is just a mockup I created based on the photo from Priority One. It's not any sort of official Wilson image. I basically took all the visible elements from the Priority One photo and created the standard racquet 'headshot'.

:)

The frame looks stunning -- classic, sleak, and elegant. I would have prefered blue and white for the trims, though.

Azzurri
10-17-2008, 07:08 PM
I love how much of a class act Wilson is for bringing in this gem..They are putting Federer and Sampras together to make somewhat of a surreal racquet..An all star of all stars racquet that will sell through the roof

you may be right on this. The PS 85 has a strong history. Using the PS name, the graphics (colors) and Pete's name provides more credibility than their other player racquets over the years. The PS 85 was and still is a terrific racquet (the SV for me personally was better). My concern is the matrial make-up and SW.

Conquistador
10-17-2008, 07:11 PM
you may be right on this. The PS 85 has a strong history. Using the PS name, the graphics (colors) and Pete's name provides more credibility than their other player racquets over the years. The PS 85 was and still is a terrific racquet (the SV for me personally was better). My concern is the matrial make-up and SW.

I am right. Just look at how smart Wilson is for doing this...I mean what other "classic" comes together face to face with a new racquet...I said earlier that its like the new Dodge Challenger car--old school with the new school that sparks interest---The thing about this racquet is that the color and the letters on it remind you of way back when--And id like to thank Wilson for giving the people what they wanted this time

BreakPoint
10-17-2008, 09:10 PM
And id like to thank Wilson for giving the people what they wanted this time
Well, people also clamored for Federer's actual racquet and Wilson obliged by releasing the K90 to the public last year. :)

wangs78
10-17-2008, 09:47 PM
Maybe they'll come out with a couple of color schemes. That would be awesome.

MTXR
10-18-2008, 12:29 AM
ok, so is fed going to be using this new mold or sticking with his "k90"

are these 2 racquets going to coexist? Because i don't have a problem with the K90 its just damn pricey for me to switch and get 5 k90s since i have 5 ps85s now.


also i dunno if the new racquet would be better than the k90 anyways.. but who knows... i hope i get the chance to be able and choose which racquet to by when i ahve the cash to switch over and not be rushed if one of them gets discontinued...

BreakPoint
10-18-2008, 12:39 AM
ok, so is fed going to be using this new mold or sticking with his "k90"

are these 2 racquets going to coexist? Because i don't have a problem with the K90 its just damn pricey for me to switch and get 5 k90s since i have 5 ps85s now.


also i dunno if the new racquet would be better than the k90 anyways.. but who knows... i hope i get the chance to be able and choose which racquet to by when i ahve the cash to switch over and not be rushed if one of them gets discontinued...
I doubt Federer will use a racquet with Sampras' signature on it when he's got one with his own signature on it, so my guess is that there will be a next generation of the Tour 90 with Federer's signature on it and he'll continue to use that one (most likely a K90 with the new paintjob on it).

MTXR
10-18-2008, 12:40 AM
yeah...


so there will be 2 distinct lines? Now i wonder if this pete racket is some limited racket that is going to cost a lot of money, which would then allow me to default my decision to the k90.

AlpineCadet
10-18-2008, 12:44 AM
I doubt Federer will use a racquet with Sampras' signature on it when he's got one with his own signature on it, so my guess is that there will be a next generation of the Tour 90 with Federer's signature on it and he'll continue to use that one (most likely a K90 with the new paintjob on it).
ATM, there's actually no possible way to prove or disprove that Federer is using a retail k90, so calling his actual frame a "k90" makes sense.

BreakPoint
10-18-2008, 12:45 AM
yeah...


so there will be 2 distinct lines? Now i wonder if this pete racket is some limited racket that is going to cost a lot of money, which would then allow me to default my decision to the k90.
I don't know about 2 distinct lines, in fact, I doubt it. I think the Sampras K-ProStaff will just be a one-off racquet with no other models in the line and no successors.

BreakPoint
10-18-2008, 12:47 AM
ATM, there's actually no possible way to prove or disprove that Federer is using a retail k90, so calling his actual frame a "k90" makes sense.
Um...I thought Equijet had already proved that Federer uses the retail K90 since he owns a whole bunch of Federer's personal racquets and he says that they are identical to the retail K90. He also apparently has inside info from Wilson.

MTXR
10-18-2008, 12:50 AM
yeah i guess i didn't mean 2 distinct lines... i just really wanted to know if they would coexist and not be some outrageous limited edition racquet.


i hope its like that... it would give me more options..

AlpineCadet
10-18-2008, 12:53 AM
Um...I thought Equijet had already proved that Federer uses the retail K90 since he owns a whole bunch of Federer's personal racquets and he says that they are identical to the retail K90. He also apparently has inside info from Wilson.

Equijet, the man who refuses to reveal himself? A lot of us have tried to question who he is and how he got a hold of those pictures of RF's frames, yet he has still refused to "give a dog a bone." Fishy if you ask me. All he did was provide pictures of RF's frames and wrote a few words describing how they felt when he hit with one of the frames.


BTW, his actual words are:
Recently, I strung one of those 90sq in RF rackets with the babolat team gut at 60lbs and I felt its specs really similar to K90.
Identical? No. Similar? Yes.

BreakPoint
10-18-2008, 01:10 AM
Equijet, the man who refuses to reveal himself? A lot of us have tried to question who he is and how he got a hold of those pictures of RF's frames, yet he has still refused to "give a dog a bone." Fishy if you ask me. All he did was provide pictures of RF's frames and wrote a few words describing how they felt when he hit with one of the frames.

Why does who he really is really matter? :confused: It's obvious he knows people in the industry and has inside information and access to pros' personal racquets. He knows what he is talking about. He's even able to get totally unpainted frames from Wilson. Yes, the man has the inside scoop on Wilson and the racquets they make for Federer, and even how they go through the batches of retail K90's to select the ones shipped to Federer.

BTW, his actual words are:

Identical? No. Similar? Yes.
Have you ever owned two K90's that were "identical"? I've owned lots of them and I've never found two that were identical.

Besides, it's certainly possible Federer may have tweaked his specs from the time he used the HPS 6.0 95 paintjob to now the K90 paintjob.

AlpineCadet
10-18-2008, 01:13 AM
Why does who he really is really matter? :confused: It's obvious he knows people in the industry and has inside information and access to pros' personal racquets. He knows what he is talking about. He's even able to get totally unpainted frames from Wilson. Yes, the man has the inside scoop on Wilson and the racquets they make for Federer, and even how they go through the batches of retail K90's to select the ones shipped to Federer.

Have you ever owned two K90's that were "identical"? I've owned lots of them and I've never found two that were identical.

Besides, it's certainly possible Federer may have tweaked his specs from the time he used the HPS 6.0 95 paintjob to now the K90 paintjob.

I'd just like to question a source of information, especially when all he can provide are pictures.

Azzurri
10-18-2008, 06:45 AM
I am right. Just look at how smart Wilson is for doing this...I mean what other "classic" comes together face to face with a new racquet...I said earlier that its like the new Dodge Challenger car--old school with the new school that sparks interest---The thing about this racquet is that the color and the letters on it remind you of way back when--And id like to thank Wilson for giving the people what they wanted this time

It did not take genius to figure it out. You give Wilson too much credit. I just agreed that having Pete's name lends the racquet more credibility and markets the idea that ist "Pete's" racquet and NOT the K90...they really had no choice. Will Fed use it? I DOUBT IT.

Conquistador
10-18-2008, 06:56 AM
It did not take genius to figure it out. You give Wilson too much credit. I just agreed that having Pete's name lends the racquet more credibility and markets the idea that ist "Pete's" racquet and NOT the K90...they really had no choice. Will Fed use it? I DOUBT IT.

Thats a very skeptical observation..With or without Petros name on it people will still buy this stick--(old timers) etc...See people loved the old Pro Staff whether or not Pete used it--it was a genuine classic just like the Head Prestige--Petros name on the racquet makes it look like a collectors item--if his name was not on it i still think Wilson would still be opening the cash register

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-18-2008, 09:15 AM
Thats a very skeptical observation..With or without Petros name on it people will still buy this stick--(old timers) etc...See people loved the old Pro Staff whether or not Pete used it--it was a genuine classic just like the Head Prestige--Petros name on the racquet makes it look like a collectors item--if his name was not on it i still think Wilson would still be opening the cash register

just curious how come you call him petros?

Automatix
10-18-2008, 10:08 AM
just curious how come you call him petros?

Because he has greek roots and that's exactly what Peter sounds like in greek..

Peter (English) = Petros (Greek) = Pierre (French) = Piotr (Polish) = Pedro (Spanish) etc.

Azzurri
10-18-2008, 10:18 AM
Because he has greek roots and that's exactly what Peter sounds like in greek..

Peter (English) = Petros (Greek) = Pierre (French) = Piotr (Polish) = Pedro (Spanish) etc.

also to annoy people.

zidane339
10-18-2008, 10:27 AM
also to annoy people.

Hey Azzuri..got a offtopic question for you..I've just started using the Microgel Prestige MP..how did you arrive at your string choice for it?I'm been experiemeting and I cant seem to dial in the type and tension of string for it.

Gorecki
10-18-2008, 10:27 AM
Thats a very skeptical observation..With or without Petros name on it people will still buy this stick--(old timers) etc...See people loved the old Pro Staff whether or not Pete used it--it was a genuine classic just like the Head Prestige--Petros name on the racquet makes it look like a collectors item--if his name was not on it i still think Wilson would still be opening the cash register

from now on, when i see your posts, ill just go around calling your Rogerious Federeirous Annoyus Maximus....

that "petros" bs is make me want to smack you severely!

Azzurri
10-18-2008, 10:38 AM
Hey Azzuri..got a offtopic question for you..I've just started using the Microgel Prestige MP..how did you arrive at your string choice for it?I'm been experiemeting and I cant seem to dial in the type and tension of string for it.

good questions...quite by accident. When I purchased m two MG MP's one was strung with Babolat 17g and the other a Klip multi. The tension was at 58 lbs. I was stringing between 52-55 the past few string jobs. I just firgured to try the gut at 58 lbs...I loved it. It will be standard for me. I have enough bite, control and power (a little too much, so going back to Klip and a syn cross). I will keep the Klip at 58 lbs (maybe a bit higher).

I string with a Klippermate. I believe the tension setting is off by 5 #'s. So I started stringing my friends racquets 5 # tighter and all noticed a difference..more control. So in reality..my tension setting will be 62#'s...but its closer to 58 assuming the 5 # difference.

Hope I did not confuse you.

Also, the racquet played (felt) completely different between the gut and the multi. If you can afford it, try a hybrid of gut and a cheap syn gut.

Azzurri
10-18-2008, 10:41 AM
from now on, when i see your posts, ill just go around calling your Rogerious Federeirous Annoyus Maximus....

that "petros" bs is make me want to smack you severely!

he is leaving the boards.:)

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-18-2008, 11:26 AM
Because he has greek roots and that's exactly what Peter sounds like in greek..

Peter (English) = Petros (Greek) = Pierre (French) = Piotr (Polish) = Pedro (Spanish) etc.

ooo i see. thanks that was informative

bet
10-18-2008, 03:43 PM
Why does who he really is really matter? :confused: It's obvious he knows people in the industry and has inside information and access to pros' personal racquets. He knows what he is talking about. He's even able to get totally unpainted frames from Wilson. Yes, the man has the inside scoop on Wilson and the racquets they make for Federer, and even how they go through the batches of retail K90's to select the ones shipped to Federer.

Have you ever owned two K90's that were "identical"? I've owned lots of them and I've never found two that were identical.

Besides, it's certainly possible Federer may have tweaked his specs from the time he used the HPS 6.0 95 paintjob to now the K90 paintjob.

Sometimes your reasoning sounds so ridiculous I wonder if this is some kind of fanboy parody joke you've been carrying on for way too long now!

bet
10-18-2008, 03:46 PM
Equijet, the man who refuses to reveal himself? A lot of us have tried to question who he is and how he got a hold of those pictures of RF's frames, yet he has still refused to "give a dog a bone." Fishy if you ask me. All he did was provide pictures of RF's frames and wrote a few words describing how they felt when he hit with one of the frames.


BTW, his actual words are:

Identical? No. Similar? Yes.


I am sure we all think they are probably quite similar. Really every paintjob in the line has been. Whether they are really the same, who knows? Even the guy with mysterious pictures and no info seems to have no way to verify, (assuming he actually has authentic racquets), I am not sure how you could accurately be sure beyond a superficial spec comparison. Maybe if you want to actually disect one, though slight changes in layup would still be impossible to determine through ordinary means.

Ethan04
10-18-2008, 06:08 PM
Will it be released? That's all I want to know.

Conquistador
10-18-2008, 06:30 PM
Yea I believe so--I know a lot of Sampras enthusiasts-including myself who want to buy one--the market is there for them--Im just waiting for Wilson to pull the trigger

Hedges
10-18-2008, 06:35 PM
well...it's not a very interesting stick if Sampras isn't actually using it.

Sorry to be shallow...but that's reality folks.

AJK1
10-18-2008, 06:55 PM
"You can't go forward by going back"

JakeHCoker
10-18-2008, 06:58 PM
I want this... how much???

Hedges
10-18-2008, 07:03 PM
"You can't go forward by going back"

time travel is fun...both ways...forwards and backwards.

it's all relative.

Azzurri
10-18-2008, 07:06 PM
well...it's not a very interesting stick if Sampras isn't actually using it.

Sorry to be shallow...but that's reality folks.

huh? why would yo think he won't? Don't say he will use a PJ either..makes no sense.

BreakPoint
10-18-2008, 08:05 PM
well...it's not a very interesting stick if Sampras isn't actually using it.

Sorry to be shallow...but that's reality folks.
Huh? Who ever buys a racquet because some pro (or ex-pro in this case) uses it? :confused:

Harry_Wild
10-19-2008, 02:53 AM
Huh? Who ever buys a racquet because some pro (or ex-pro in this case) uses it? :confused:

About 80% of the people who like the player or think it a racket they would like to play with!

bet
10-19-2008, 03:28 AM
About 80% of the people who like the player or think it a racket they would like to play with!


Yes....WHO would do that Breakpoint? Certainly not you. Certainly not anybody on this board.... ;-)

Gorecki
10-19-2008, 03:53 AM
Huh? Who ever buys a racquet because some pro (or ex-pro in this case) uses it? :confused:

yes Break... why do you use wilson frames?:)

Pete.Sampras.
10-19-2008, 04:54 AM
i don't use it

You too - a "Pete Sampras"?! How confusing... :razz:

Anyway, I will definitely buy this racket. Depending on how similar it is to the PS85, it will either become my new racket (similar) or it will just be a collector's item (not similar).

Hedges
10-19-2008, 07:44 AM
I'd love to hit with a racket that is setup for Sampras.

Conquistador
10-19-2008, 09:15 AM
I'd love to hit with a racket that is setup for Sampras.

Keep in mind that Sampras experimented with different weighted racquets throughout his career..I understand that on clay he used a sub 12 ounce racquet

sureshs
10-19-2008, 11:27 AM
My sources told me this weekend that no one at Wilson, at any level, claims to have heard about this frame, and that this thread has generated a lot of activity there and is being followed. My email to them has not yet been answered. Either it is a very closely guarded secret, or a gigantic hoax.

BreakPoint
10-19-2008, 12:26 PM
Yes....WHO would do that Breakpoint? Certainly not you. Certainly not anybody on this board.... ;-)
So which pro uses a Dunlop Aerogel 100 or a Donnay Pro One International MP or a Vantage 90 or a Fischer Comp 95 or a PS 6.0 95 or a ProKennex Redondo Mid or a Head Ti.Fire Tour or a .......? :confused: :-?

BreakPoint
10-19-2008, 12:30 PM
yes Break... why do you use wilson frames?:)
Um...the only reason I use the ProStaff series is for their solid feel. I don't like any of the other Wilson frames. I started using the PS 6.0 95 after Sampras retired, not that he ever used it anyway nor was I ever a fan of Sampras while he was on tour. It just has the solid old-school feel that I like, ever since I used to play with wood racquets. :)

AlpineCadet
10-19-2008, 12:30 PM
So which pro uses a Dunlop Aerogel 100 or a Donnay Pro One International MP or a Vantage 90 or a Fischer Comp 95 or a PS 6.0 95 or a ProKennex Redondo Mid or a .......? :confused: :-?
So which pro uses the KBlade 98 and Tour, K95, AG200 and 300, O3 Tour and Hybrid, RDS 001, etc.? As a matter of fact, I Know a lot of rec players who bought and use the k90 soley because of Federer's acheivements.

BreakPoint
10-19-2008, 12:32 PM
About 80% of the people who like the player or think it a racket they would like to play with!
You mean people who are clueless about tennis racquets and have no idea what they like and what works best for their games? :)

BreakPoint
10-19-2008, 12:34 PM
So which pro uses the KBlade 98 and Tour, K95, AG200 and 300, O3 Tour and Hybrid, RDS 001, etc.? As a matter of fact, I Know a lot of rec players who bought and use the k90 soley because of Federer's acheivements.
You mean you don't know? Lots of pros use paintjobs of all of those racquets on your list.

hoodjem
10-19-2008, 12:56 PM
About 80% of the people who like the player or think it a racket they would like to play with!
Really? 80% of the people who like Sampras will buy a new kFactor Pro Staff?

I like Sampras, but I will have to wait and see how the new prototype PLAYS before I even think of buying one.

MTXR
10-19-2008, 01:08 PM
i wonder if it is going to have the k90 string spacing for more spin... and slightly lighter...that's what i really want.

radionise
10-19-2008, 01:21 PM
Anyone knows if Wilson is going to release the 95" version just like the original PS 6.0 95"?

AlpineCadet
10-19-2008, 01:26 PM
Call RPNY for more info. I'm sure they would love to answer your questions.

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-19-2008, 01:31 PM
Anyone knows if Wilson is going to release the 95" version just like the original PS 6.0 95"?

that would be sweet. i would love to have one of those.

Azzurri
10-19-2008, 04:29 PM
My sources told me this weekend that no one at Wilson, at any level, claims to have heard about this frame, and that this thread has generated a lot of activity there and is being followed. My email to them has not yet been answered. Either it is a very closely guarded secret, or a gigantic hoax.

many months ago a Wilson executive was interviewed and stated Wilson was in the works with Pete for a new prototype racquet. This has been confirmed, discussed, known about, confirmed, seen, and whatever else way. This is not a secret. My source in Hong Kong (a seller) informed me Wilson had a new racquet coming out to replace the PS 85 and that there would be no more light "asian" versions prior to Pete even playing the blacked out prototype. Its been on the boards for a while. How did you miss that?


Source:roll:

certifiedjatt
10-19-2008, 04:37 PM
the strategic release of those pics on the priority 1 website was brilliant marketing by wilson! look how much hype they're building for this racket. many months ago, the foreplay began. now, the consumer-producer commodity transaction intercourse has begun. soon, we will both come to a financially draining orgazm.

-sigh-

Conquistador
10-19-2008, 04:41 PM
the strategic release of those pics on the priority 1 website was brilliant marketing by wilson! look how much hype they're building for this racket. many months ago, the foreplay began. now, the consumer-producer commodity transaction intercourse has begun. soon, we will both come to a financially draining orgazm.

-sigh-

I know..Wilson is the best company in tennis for that reason. They know how to market and how to bring hype to the public eye..They have the best products as well...Whenever you have a class company like Wilson..you expect excellence

Azzurri
10-19-2008, 04:42 PM
the strategic release of those pics on the priority 1 website was brilliant marketing by wilson! look how much hype they're building for this racket. many months ago, the foreplay began. now, the consumer-producer commodity transaction intercourse has begun. soon, we will both come to a financially draining orgazm.

-sigh-

eww, you're sick, you're sick.

Azzurri
10-19-2008, 04:43 PM
I know..Wilson is the best company in tennis for that reason. They know how to market and how to bring hype to the public eye..They have the best products as well...Whenever you have a class company like Wilson..you expect excellence

what is your favorite all-time Wilson racquet?

Conquistador
10-19-2008, 04:45 PM
what is your favorite all-time Wilson racquet?

Personally the [K] Blade 98..

Azzurri
10-19-2008, 05:05 PM
Personally the [K] Blade 98..

what about all-time? have you always played Wilson? I liked Dunlop as a teen/young adult.

zidane339
10-19-2008, 05:12 PM
good questions...quite by accident. When I purchased m two MG MP's one was strung with Babolat 17g and the other a Klip multi. The tension was at 58 lbs. I was stringing between 52-55 the past few string jobs. I just firgured to try the gut at 58 lbs...I loved it. It will be standard for me. I have enough bite, control and power (a little too much, so going back to Klip and a syn cross). I will keep the Klip at 58 lbs (maybe a bit higher).

I string with a Klippermate. I believe the tension setting is off by 5 #'s. So I started stringing my friends racquets 5 # tighter and all noticed a difference..more control. So in reality..my tension setting will be 62#'s...but its closer to 58 assuming the 5 # difference.

Hope I did not confuse you.

Also, the racquet played (felt) completely different between the gut and the multi. If you can afford it, try a hybrid of gut and a cheap syn gut.

Thats very interesting..thanks for your account! I'll have to try some nat gut.I'm been primarily using polys.

Azzurri
10-19-2008, 05:21 PM
Thats very interesting..thanks for your account! I'll have to try some nat gut.I'm been primarily using polys.

Gut: More power, cupping action, maintains tension till it breaks, soft on the elbow, nice control.

Poly: I was able to generate wicked spin (especially on the FH). I could really hit all out and keep it in the court (more so than with gut). My issues were it went dead too soon and gave me shoulder pain. So I had to get rid of it.

If you have no elbow/shoulder issues and don't mind re-string much more often, then poly is a nice string to play.

gocard
10-19-2008, 07:31 PM
Is this Sampras racquet going to be separate from a new six-one line for the tour and the 95 versions?

Hedges
10-19-2008, 08:03 PM
Keep in mind that Sampras experimented with different weighted racquets throughout his career..I understand that on clay he used a sub 12 ounce racquet

That's something I didn't know. Thanks

drakulie
10-19-2008, 08:27 PM
^Absoluetely not true.

VikingSamurai
10-19-2008, 09:15 PM
Personally the [K] Blade 98..

I thought you said that you used a Gamma, and you needed everyones help in learning how to paint the stencil on the strings?

No?

VikingSamurai
10-19-2008, 09:16 PM
^Absoluetely not true.

Don't worry Drak.. This guy is hoping that Sampras reads the boards and will adopt him.. ;)

Even though everything he says about him has either been wikapedia'ed youtubed, googled, or simply made up.. He has no clue, but will tell you otherwise..

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-19-2008, 09:43 PM
Don't worry Drak.. This guy is hoping that Sampras reads the boards and will adopt him.. ;)

Even though everything he says about him has either been wikapedia'ed youtubed, googled, or simply made up.. He has no clue, but will tell you otherwise..

lol i like the adopt line

AlpineCadet
10-19-2008, 09:50 PM
the strategic release of those pics on the priority 1 website was brilliant marketing by wilson! look how much hype they're building for this racket. many months ago, the foreplay began. now, the consumer-producer commodity transaction intercourse has begun. soon, we will both come to a financially draining orgazm.

-sigh-
fap fap fap... IMO, the frame will probably rack up just as many sales as the k90, no more no less. I doubt the kPS will have more power than the k90 though.

certifiedjatt
10-20-2008, 05:04 AM
fap fap fap... IMO, the frame will probably rack up just as many sales as the k90, no more no less. I doubt the kPS will have more power than the k90 though.

that depends on how you measure power. do you mean how it impacts the tennis community in general, or how it impacts the self-proclaimed racket connoisseurs? it probably won't sell as much as the K90 to the general community (i.e., teenage Federer posers) but I think it'll be huge for those who've played with PS 85.

morten
10-20-2008, 05:21 AM
for me it is huge, never found a replacement for my ps85... And believe me i have tried...

hoodjem
10-20-2008, 06:23 AM
what is your favorite all-time Wilson racquet?


The PS 6.0 85 . . . of course.

sureshs
10-20-2008, 07:19 AM
many months ago a Wilson executive was interviewed and stated Wilson was in the works with Pete for a new prototype racquet. This has been confirmed, discussed, known about, confirmed, seen, and whatever else way. This is not a secret. My source in Hong Kong (a seller) informed me Wilson had a new racquet coming out to replace the PS 85 and that there would be no more light "asian" versions prior to Pete even playing the blacked out prototype. Its been on the boards for a while. How did you miss that?


Source:roll:

I just told you what I heard over the weekend

Azzurri
10-20-2008, 08:58 AM
That's something I didn't know. Thanks

Sampras never, ever changed his racquet specs. He was so OCD about his weight he supposedly knew if there was too much stencil ink. CON knows very little about Pete.

Azzurri
10-20-2008, 09:01 AM
I just told you what I heard over the weekend

yea..and??? Your source is obviously made up. You just wanted to be a jerk and throw your garbage. Craig Clark has confirmed the racquet exists..guess the pictures on Priority 1 were not good enough for you. You got caught lying about your "source"...whatever.

sureshs
10-20-2008, 10:52 AM
yea..and??? Your source is obviously made up. You just wanted to be a jerk and throw your garbage. Craig Clark has confirmed the racquet exists..guess the pictures on Priority 1 were not good enough for you. You got caught lying about your "source"...whatever.

Not at all. My source contacted several sources at Wilson and said no one would confirm and seemed genuinely surprised.

So what if CC is going to get a demo? It only means he has better contacts.

Babolast
10-20-2008, 11:04 AM
Have you seen Feds new PJ?

Azzurri
10-21-2008, 07:31 AM
Not at all. My source contacted several sources at Wilson and said no one would confirm and seemed genuinely surprised.

So what if CC is going to get a demo? It only means he has better contacts.

This is what you wrote: "My sources told me this weekend that no one at Wilson, at any level, claims to have heard about this frame"

At any level?? No one heard of this frame?? You make no sense. Its so obvious you made that up. Not only is there a racquet, but it has been in the works for many months..and oh, PETE SAMPRAS WAS INVOLVED. Yea, you have a source.:roll::roll::roll:

Unlike you, CC has an excellent reputation besides having better contacts than you (since you don't have one. unless its some buddy that works at a sporting goods store that sells Wilson products and he asked his manager if any new Pete Sampras racquets are coming out).

desmondchan
10-21-2008, 10:01 AM
Just want to share with folks here that the local dealers have confirmed that the 1st batch won't come to this part of the world (Asia Pac) till early next year. Hope folks in the US get them sooner. I have pre-ordered 2 and hopefully they live up to our expectation!

drakulie
10-21-2008, 10:05 AM
I have very reliable information that two posters (not CC) will be playtesting this frame soon.

One could already get his hands on it, but has not had the enthusiasm to go and look at it. I'm trying to convince him to go to the shop and at least get some decent pictures.

Will continue to update as I get more information.

NoBadMojo
10-21-2008, 10:15 AM
typically new racquet launches for the winter season are in stock in qty for Aussie Open time. Mid year launches come out for the USOpen.

so makes sense there will soon be some seed frames out there..that usually happens 30-60days in advance of availability, so look for this racquet to have some hitters available maybe around mid Nov....also possibly look for a new Fed racquet that he will be playing at the oz Open about the same time (as i said several months ago)

leonidas1982
10-21-2008, 10:25 AM
I have very reliable information that two posters (not CC) will be playtesting this frame soon.

One could already get his hands on it, but has not had the enthusiasm to go and look at it. I'm trying to convince him to go to the shop and at least get some decent pictures.

Will continue to update as I get more information.

Looking forward to your updates.

samster
10-21-2008, 10:49 AM
What would be interesting is to see if Fed sticks with a 90 sq in with his "next" racket or if he goes to a larger headsize as some here think he should to remain at the top. Time will tell.

Sup2Dresq
10-21-2008, 11:08 AM
I have very reliable information that two posters (not CC) will be playtesting this frame soon.

One could already get his hands on it, but has not had the enthusiasm to go and look at it. I'm trying to convince him to go to the shop and at least get some decent pictures.

Will continue to update as I get more information.

Is one of these playtesters, the guy who can't hit 110mph and 115 topspin. Or the one that claims he can?

Inquiring minds want to know.

drakulie
10-21-2008, 11:20 AM
Is one of these playtesters, the guy who can't hit 110mph and 115 topspin. Or the one that claims he can?

Inquiring minds want to know.


I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.


http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc52/sarahreneeclark/maverickandgoose.jpg

MTXR
10-21-2008, 11:37 AM
typically new racquet launches for the winter season are in stock in qty for Aussie Open time. Mid year launches come out for the USOpen.

so makes sense there will soon be some seed frames out there..that usually happens 30-60days in advance of availability, so look for this racquet to have some hitters available maybe around mid Nov....also possibly look for a new Fed racquet that he will be playing at the oz Open about the same time (as i said several months ago)


excellent.. this could mean i can get the k90 for discount now, which makes my decision much easier.

I have no power anymore with PS85 :(

BreakPoint
10-21-2008, 01:06 PM
I have very reliable information that two posters (not CC) will be playtesting this frame soon.

One could already get his hands on it, but has not had the enthusiasm to go and look at it. I'm trying to convince him to go to the shop and at least get some decent pictures.

Will continue to update as I get more information.
That's awesome news, drakulie! :)

Threaten to break his legs with your ProStaff if he doesn't drive over to the pro shop and get the racquet THIS MINUTE!! ;-) :lol: LOL

cknobman
10-21-2008, 01:22 PM
Have you seen Feds new PJ?

Where did this come from? I havent seen Fed using anything different lately. Watch'd his match today and it looked like his good ol Kfactor pj to me.

drakulie
10-22-2008, 06:05 AM
That's awesome news, drakulie! :)

Threaten to break his legs with your ProStaff if he doesn't drive over to the pro shop and get the racquet THIS MINUTE!! ;-) :lol: LOL

I'm trying, BP!! This one guy is being fairly stubborn about it. He may however **Surprise* me. Let's hope he gets worried about the prospect of having his legs broken by a crazed TW member with a PS85 in his hands. :evil:

leonidas1982
10-22-2008, 08:18 AM
One more from Priority 1's website:

http://www.p1tennis.com/files/images/psthroat.jpg

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-22-2008, 08:34 AM
One more from Priority 1's website:

http://www.p1tennis.com/files/images/psthroat.jpg

nice pics they just showing these to taunt us lol

drakulie
10-22-2008, 08:39 AM
^^Probably just painted K90's

leonidas1982
10-22-2008, 09:16 AM
nice pics they just showing these to taunt us lol

yeah, a bit of a tease. though, one admires their subtlety.

m1stuhxsp4rk5
10-22-2008, 09:25 AM
yeah, a bit of a tease. though, one admires their subtlety.

yeah i cant stop staring at it.

leonidas1982
10-22-2008, 09:32 AM
yeah i cant stop staring at it.

and hopefully soon, there will be one to hold and use.

samster
10-22-2008, 09:33 AM
I'm trying, BP!! This one guy is being fairly stubborn about it. He may however **Surprise* me. Let's hope he gets worried about the prospect of having his legs broken by a crazed TW member with a PS85 in his hands. :evil:

I will give you one of my off-spec Volkl or Dunlop to do some damage. Get that info!

wangs78
10-22-2008, 11:24 AM
The fact that Wilson has given P1 authorization to post these pictures means that the release date is approaching. Probably before the end of the year or at the start of next season, latest. At any rate, we should all be able to have one of these babies in hand when spring rolls around =)

Jimmyt
10-22-2008, 04:22 PM
yep, i just heard from my wilson rep and he is sending the paper work for me to fill out to get a couple of the kstaff frames to start using in lessons and tourneys... i think we will all get them soon.