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Matt21
08-26-2008, 10:45 AM
Watching the Haas/Gasquet match... What's Haas' real stick? The head size looks smaller than the 98 sq" AG300. Could it be an AG200 or an AG100?

orangettecoleman
08-26-2008, 11:17 AM
It's a custom mold used by dunlop and tecnifibre, painted as an AG300. Similar specs to the dunlop 300 but is weighted up to about 12 oz, evenly balanced, supposedly.

BreakPoint
08-26-2008, 11:22 AM
Haas uses a custom Dunlop mold that is almost the same as the mold used for the Tecnifibre T-Fight 320/335 18x20. Thus, it is 97 sq. in. It's neither an AG200 nor AG100.

rosen88
08-26-2008, 11:54 AM
Haas racket is softer than the 200g and much heavier. It is more like a PT 630 wih lead tape. Played with it ones. Really want it but it is almost impossible to get. But they still makes special made rackets for the pros so maybe I can get them if I get a better ranking. :)

stoble
08-26-2008, 01:05 PM
No way that thing is 97 sq. in. Looks smaller like a 90.

Fedace
08-26-2008, 01:08 PM
IT is the OLD muscle weave racket. very solid frame, that is no longer made. I believe his model is heavier than than the retail version was being sold.

BreakPoint
08-26-2008, 01:33 PM
No way that thing is 97 sq. in. Looks smaller like a 90.
Sorry, but it is 97 sq. in.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4q7jukw.jpg

jazar
08-27-2008, 12:17 AM
is it not something similar to the head ti. pro tour?

Fedace
08-27-2008, 12:21 AM
It is a OLD Muscle weave 200 G 90 sq inch racket. i have seen it up close.

DNShade
08-27-2008, 12:31 AM
Christ people...How many times are we gonna go through this? It's just as BP said - a custom stick by Dunlop that uses the same exact mold as the Dunlop M-Fil 200 16X19 and the Tecnifibre T-Fight 320/335 18x20 - 97 sq. in....Same mold that Blake uses as well as a few other pros. As for their layups, weight etc - who knows (and really, who cares?) but that's the mold.. Same sticks as they've used for a while with varying PJ's.

BreakPoint
08-27-2008, 12:31 AM
It is a OLD Muscle weave 200 G 90 sq inch racket. i have seen it up close.
No, it is not. Just look at that above pic. Have you ever seen a MW200G 90? That pic is not of a 90.

Haas used to use a Head PT280 which is also 97 sq. in. When he signed with Dunlop, they made him something similar with also a 97 sq. in. head.

ericsson
08-27-2008, 12:34 AM
It is a OLD Muscle weave 200 G 90 sq inch racket. i have seen it up close.

I'm very sure it's NOT a MW 200 g 90 sq.
I mean just look at the shape, the throat, his throat has ridges, the MW doesnt!

BreakPoint
08-27-2008, 12:34 AM
Here's another pic with the older M-Fil 300 paintjob on it. Does that look like a 90 to you?

http://www.ftd.de/asset/Image/2007/01/22/spaet/haas.jpg

DNShade
08-27-2008, 12:42 AM
It is a OLD Muscle weave 200 G 90 sq inch racket. i have seen it up close.

That's just not right. As someone who was hitting on court next to him and (Lopez and Verdasco) and talked briefly with him at UCLA at The Countywide I can tell you it is not a MW or a 90 - and it's the same size and mold as the M-Fil 200 16x19's in my bag.

A_Instead
08-27-2008, 04:44 AM
Its not a 90". I was 3 feet from Haas at Legg Mason 2 weeks ago.
I watched him practice with that lefty guy that Fed. flew over to practice with.
I have pictures of him holding his racquet and the leftys racquet and they are the same size and head shape. I can send pictures to show you.

Pro Staff Pete
08-27-2008, 04:51 AM
If that's a 90 then I must be playing a 75 or something

jorel
08-27-2008, 05:28 AM
Racketdesign once said the closest thing (mold that is and not weight) you could get to the Haas racquet is the old HM yellow 200g XL (but in an 18x20 pattern)

ericsson
08-27-2008, 06:15 AM
Racketdesign once said the closest thing (mold that is and not weight) you could get to the Haas racquet is the old HM yellow 200g XL (but in an 18x20 pattern)

not the graphite lay up, i've been told that he actually tried the HM yellow and didnt like it.

Rabbit
08-27-2008, 06:19 AM
I stood right next to Haas in Memphis. His frame is definetly not a 90. I have been told that what he plays with is a one off from Dunlop.

ericsson
08-27-2008, 06:45 AM
Here some pics from Haas's real Dunlop:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1274/tommyhaasyq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

AndrewD
08-27-2008, 06:49 AM
Thus, it is 97 sq. in.

We have no way of knowing what little idiosyncrasies the racquet manufacturers employ when measuring their frames (Head, Prince) so there is no way we can say, "thus, it is 97sq". Could really be 98sq or 100sq for all we know.

jorel
08-27-2008, 08:03 AM
not the graphite lay up, i've been told that he actually tried the HM yellow and didnt like it.

no not the graphite layup...He said only the mold was the same...of course except for the 18/20 pattern

BreakPoint
08-27-2008, 12:29 PM
We have no way of knowing what little idiosyncrasies the racquet manufacturers employ when measuring their frames (Head, Prince) so there is no way we can say, "thus, it is 97sq". Could really be 98sq or 100sq for all we know.
Well, both the Tecnifibre T-Fight 320/335 and the Dunlop M-Fil 200 16x19 are listed as 97 sq. in. and Haas' racquet uses the same mold so I think it's pretty safe to say that it's also 97 sq. in.

Fedace
08-27-2008, 12:37 PM
Here some pics from Haas's real Dunlop:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1274/tommyhaasyq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sure looks like the Muscles weave to me. Look at the weaving of the graphite where it is broken, there is no other like it.

Azzurri
08-27-2008, 06:27 PM
It is a OLD Muscle weave 200 G 90 sq inch racket. i have seen it up close.

Where do you get your garbage from? You must be clinically blind not to see it's at least NOT a 90 frame.

vsbabolat
08-27-2008, 07:33 PM
Sure looks like the Muscles weave to me. Look at the weaving of the graphite where it is broken, there is no other like it.

You really have no idea what a MW 200G 90 looks like if you think that is what Haas is using!!!:shock:

Actually it is a common Dunlop. The frame originally started out as the big brother to Flips old 90 si Revelaiton Pro. Scottie D****r used this model, and I have one or two of them around. The 200G XL comes up out of this mold as well. Haas, Berdych, Blake,, amongst others past and present use frames like this. Granted the lay ups of graphite might have been different, but the mold was the same, and the frame is a Dunlop. I started the Tyger thing, stating that at that time, the closest yo u could buy to a Haas frame commercially at that time was a Tyger Xcel Drive 630, now better yet, if you do not mind a more open string bed, and lighter weight, the 200G XL is straight up out of that mold and wears Dunlop colours. And Haas did try the yellow and black paint for the 200G, he and his coach agreed they didn't like it. Dunlop has and continues to bust their butts to find something he likes. And listen to what Racket Design has to say, dude used to work there, and helped create this one from scratch.

Fedace, Please read this whole thread.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=23346

Automatix
08-28-2008, 01:19 AM
Here are pics of my Muscle Weave 200G 90... Fedace has no clue what he's talking about... so sad...

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=158357&highlight=Muscle+Weave+200G

jorel
08-28-2008, 06:41 AM
Here are pics of my Muscle Weave 200G 90... Fedace has no clue what he's talking about... so sad...

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=158357&highlight=Muscle+Weave+200G



lets ease off fedace... there is so much crap flying around about pro racquets that are halftruths that its easy to be mislead... ive done so many times..

but guys like tom martinez, racketdesign, rpny(his posts are few and far between), ronyu,...(i am missing a whole gaggle of other peeps) have first hand knowledge of this stuff and their info you can trust

orangettecoleman
08-29-2008, 12:12 AM
also he uses a head pallet/grip. he got used to them in the 90s when he used the tour 630 or whatever it is for years.

tomas9848
09-10-2008, 07:52 PM
he uses dunlop 300 aerogel

BreakPoint
09-10-2008, 08:25 PM
he uses dunlop 300 aerogel
Um...no, he doesn't. Haas uses a custom racquet that is not sold in the stores. The Tecnifibre T-Fight 335 18x20 is the closest thing to what Haas actually uses.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=155001

samster
09-10-2008, 08:26 PM
here we go again. we need to have a sticky for these types of threads. what do you all think?

LafayetteHitter
09-11-2008, 01:18 PM
That is not a MW 200g 90 by any stretch of the imagination. I have 3 of these and it's not even close to what he uses. The 90's I have most resemble a PC600 mold and what Tommy Haas is holding looks nothing of the sort. The custom mold information in the 97" range is the only viable info out available. Especially since the information came from Paul at Vantage who worked for Dunlop.

Zeppy
09-12-2008, 05:26 AM
That is not a MW 200g 90 by any stretch of the imagination. I have 3 of these and it's not even close to what he uses. The 90's I have most resemble a PC600 mold and what Tommy Haas is holding looks nothing of the sort. The custom mold information in the 97" range is the only viable info out available. Especially since the information came from Paul at Vantage who worked for Dunlop.

You wanna sell one of those? Haha.

Back to the subject, uhh, I'm not a racket expert so I'm not going to say who's right or wrong. But I think it would be pretty hard to tell what racket he's really using without getting our hands on it or somehow have him tell us the truth.

alfa164164
09-12-2008, 08:18 AM
I've owned both Haas' racket (with the Dunlop 300 M-Fil paintjob) and Blake's racket (300G Hotmelt paintjob and 200 M-Fil paintjob). Breakpoint is right that Haas' mold seems identical to the TF335. His racket weighed 12.7 ounces strung after I removed all the lead tape. With lead it was wel over 13 ounces (he had it at 3&9 and under the the top of the handle). Blake's mold was NOT the same as Haas', but it was not the stock 300G or 200G mold either. The interesting thing about Haas' 300 M-Fil paintjob was that part of the paint around the throat was left "matte" (like the old MW model, but it was in no way the stock MW mold). Like it's been mentioned, think TF335 mold. I have no idea of what the actual layup of the racket was. His grip shape was very rectangular, like Head rackets, but it was molded, not pallets. Haas had a blue Gamma Hi-Tech grip under the overgrip. It was a pretty playable racket without the lead and rock solid. Hope this helps.

LafayetteHitter
09-12-2008, 09:29 AM
You wanna sell one of those? Haha.

Back to the subject, uhh, I'm not a racket expert so I'm not going to say who's right or wrong. But I think it would be pretty hard to tell what racket he's really using without getting our hands on it or somehow have him tell us the truth.

It's one of my favorite racquets so i'll probably never sell them. Worth searching for though, it pockets the ball beautifully.

BreakPoint
09-12-2008, 01:39 PM
I've owned both Haas' racket (with the Dunlop 300 M-Fil paintjob) and Blake's racket (300G Hotmelt paintjob and 200 M-Fil paintjob). Breakpoint is right that Haas' mold seems identical to the TF335. His racket weighed 12.7 ounces strung after I removed all the lead tape. With lead it was wel over 13 ounces (he had it at 3&9 and under the the top of the handle). Blake's mold was NOT the same as Haas', but it was not the stock 300G or 200G mold either. The interesting thing about Haas' 300 M-Fil paintjob was that part of the paint around the throat was left "matte" (like the old MW model, but it was in no way the stock MW mold). Like it's been mentioned, think TF335 mold. I have no idea of what the actual layup of the racket was. His grip shape was very rectangular, like Head rackets, but it was molded, not pallets. Haas had a blue Gamma Hi-Tech grip under the overgrip. It was a pretty playable racket without the lead and rock solid. Hope this helps.
alfa,
Could you please describe how the Blake mold differs from Haas' mold? From pics they look almost the same, i.e., similar to the TF-335 mold.
Thanks.

alfa164164
09-13-2008, 12:59 PM
BP - it has been several years since I sold the Haas and Blake rackets, but from what I remember the throat sections of Blake's 300G Hotmelt paintjob and the 200 M-Fil paintjob were different (the 300 wasn't quite as box beamish as the 200). Both rackets were dense 18x20s. Although I was under the impression Blake never changed rackets, just updated his Dunlop paintjobs, the 2 frames were not identical, while both were heavy, the 200 pj was heavier.
As a racket junkie, you can recognize the mold of the TF335 immediately (also the std. length 200 M-Fil Plus, the UK version of the Slazenger NX One, etc.) - both of James models were slightly different, a little wider in the frame from 3:00 to 9:00, but I would guess it to be a 98 sq. in. frame, just slightly larger than Haas' racket.

Zeppy
09-15-2008, 09:50 PM
It's one of my favorite racquets so i'll probably never sell them. Worth searching for though, it pockets the ball beautifully.

Ok, that's cool. I mean, I don't think I would want to part ways with my newly acquired Muscle Weave 200g 95. So I totally understand. I was just wondering how a 90 sq inch would feel.

jura
09-16-2008, 01:38 PM
I have an old original Haas frame with the MW pj here at home. It is surely the same mold as the T.Fight 320/335. I put a TF bumper on it and it fits! ;) Also it is quit heavy and has a pretty soft frame. But a friend of mine who strung his rackets several times over the last years said that his frames became stiffer since the times of the MW pj.
Another friend who strings his rackets very often said that in the last months he dropped the racket weight a lot and also went down to 28 kilo string tension due to his shoulder problems.

ericsson
09-17-2008, 12:15 AM
I have an old original Haas frame with the MW pj here at home. It is surely the same mold as the T.Fight 320/335. I put a TF bumper on it and it fits! ;) Also it is quit heavy and has a pretty soft frame. But a friend of mine who strung his rackets several times over the last years said that his frames became stiffer since the times of the MW pj.
Another friend who strings his rackets very often said that in the last months he dropped the racket weight a lot and also went down to 28 kilo string tension due to his shoulder problems.

Jura, post some pics man ;-)

Racquet Man
09-17-2008, 04:38 AM
I have an old original Haas frame with the MW pj here at home. It is surely the same mold as the T.Fight 320/335. I put a TF bumper on it and it fits! ;) Also it is quit heavy and has a pretty soft frame. But a friend of mine who strung his rackets several times over the last years said that his frames became stiffer since the times of the MW pj.
Another friend who strings his rackets very often said that in the last months he dropped the racket weight a lot and also went down to 28 kilo string tension due to his shoulder problems.

Jura, any way you can provide us the actual weight, SW, and flex RA for the Haas racquet you have? Also wondering how much stiffer his racquets got? Is it a 27" or extended version?

Thanks:)

plasma
12-07-2008, 09:52 PM
That's a great pic, I didn't know Muaressmo used a muscle weave!!!

Federer's cat
12-08-2008, 04:52 AM
Not to brag or anything...But I was there at the Haas Gasquet match ;)

JacKKyKung
12-08-2008, 12:01 PM
It is a OLD Muscle weave 200 G 90 sq inch racket. i have seen it up close.

NO WAY!
There's no something similar.

xr3fgb
12-08-2008, 12:36 PM
does anyone know if they made M-FiL or Aerogel 300's with an 18 x 20 string pattern? I thought they were all 16 x 19 (except for the new Aerogel 4D 300 Tour). Haas' string pattern appears to be 18 x 20.

ilian
12-08-2008, 01:00 PM
Sorry, but it is 97 sq. in.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4q7jukw.jpg

This is by no means the throat hole of a Dunlop 200G of any generation IMO (had them all). It does look like a Head though... No offense.

OA89
12-09-2008, 08:12 AM
my friends, haas uses an old head stick!! i know the stringer at IMG academies who strung them and who has some of his older M_fil frames..the frame looks identical to an old Pro Tour 630. especially it can be seen clearly at the throat area and at the aera shortly before the grip begins..this stringer told me that haas still uses and old Twintube radical tour 630( uncustomized specs similar to prestige MP, but a little higher swingweight). The Pro Tour 630, Head twintube radical tour 630, or even the head prestige MG Mp have an identical mold. These molds ar so common on the tour that almost every racquet company has them. For example, Tecnifibre's T-Fight 335, 320 come from this mold. The T-fight 325 is actually a Head prestige XL..same mold..and the Head prestige XL is a longer version of a Pro Tour 630...I am not saying that u are buyin an old pro tour 630, when u are buyin a head liquidmetal Prestige MP..The liquidmetal series have a slightly different mold.especially in the throat area..there are places that are not as smooth as the Pro Tour. Back to the Topic...Haas uses a standard lenght stick..with uncustomized specs that are very similar to a head Prestige MP. he adds lead to 3+9 O'clock and in the gripp. I was told that he is experimenting with balances because of his shoulder. he tried a 28 cmbalance..i dont know if he is stil using it..and his racquet is about 370-380 gr. unstrung. Full natural Gut. Actually such a combination must be paradise on earth. Nobody can tell what is exactly under the PJ of his racquet but it is not false to say that it is based on a head racquet. The Dunlop M-Fil 200 Plus frames, as well as the Dunlop AG 300 tour..are very similar molds but with different drill patterns.

Ross K
12-09-2008, 12:51 PM
my friends, haas uses an old head stick!! i know the stringer at IMG academies who strung them and who has some of his older M_fil frames..the frame looks identical to an old Pro Tour 630. especially it can be seen clearly at the throat area and at the aera shortly before the grip begins..this stringer told me that haas still uses and old Twintube radical tour 630( uncustomized specs similar to prestige MP, but a little higher swingweight). The Pro Tour 630, Head twintube radical tour 630, or even the head prestige MG Mp have an identical mold. These molds ar so common on the tour that almost every racquet company has them. For example, Tecnifibre's T-Fight 335, 320 come from this mold. The T-fight 325 is actually a Head prestige XL..same mold..and the Head prestige XL is a longer version of a Pro Tour 630...I am not saying that u are buyin an old pro tour 630, when u are buyin a head liquidmetal Prestige MP..The liquidmetal series have a slightly different mold.especially in the throat area..there are places that are not as smooth as the Pro Tour. Back to the Topic...Haas uses a standard lenght stick..with uncustomized specs that are very similar to a head Prestige MP. he adds lead to 3+9 O'clock and in the gripp. I was told that he is experimenting with balances because of his shoulder. he tried a 28 cmbalance..i dont know if he is stil using it..and his racquet is about 370-380 gr. unstrung. Full natural Gut. Actually such a combination must be paradise on earth. Nobody can tell what is exactly under the PJ of his racquet but it is not false to say that it is based on a head racquet. The Dunlop M-Fil 200 Plus frames, as well as the Dunlop AG 300 tour..are very similar molds but with different drill patterns.

I find this very interesting indeed and am keen to hear what the racket experts think of this theory.

babolatking
12-09-2008, 01:37 PM
IT is the OLD muscle weave racket. very solid frame, that is no longer made. I believe his model is heavier than than the retail version was being sold.

This is correct- I have family resources that this is true.

Fedace
12-09-2008, 01:50 PM
This is correct- I have family resources that this is true.

Agree, for those of you that have doubts, i have seen Haas racket from about 5 inches away, at the Indianapolis championships this past summer.:)

ilian
12-09-2008, 01:59 PM
Agree, for those of you that have doubts, i have seen Haas racket from about 5 inches away, at the Indianapolis championships this past summer.:)

The MW 200G has a different bridge and throat hole.

Chauvalito
12-09-2008, 02:20 PM
Well, both the Tecnifibre T-Fight 320/335 and the Dunlop M-Fil 200 16x19 are listed as 97 sq. in. and Haas' racquet uses the same mold so I think it's pretty safe to say that it's also 97 sq. in.

I started a thread on this very subject a few years ago. At one point there were 6 different rackets, 4 from TF, and two from Dunlop all from the same mold being sold to the public.

Here is a link to the thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=109632

vsbabolat
12-09-2008, 06:56 PM
Agree, for those of you that have doubts, i have seen Haas racket from about 5 inches away, at the Indianapolis championships this past summer.:)

As usual you are 100% wrong here is even a photo of Haas' racquet with a Muscle Weave Paint Job.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If you do a search of "Racketdesign" (He was the racquet designer for Dunlop and designed Haas' racquet) posts you would know it is not a Muscle Weave.

Id agree with that. I would also look at the 200g XL in terms of frame shape and string pattern


Actually it is a common Dunlop. The frame originally started out as the big brother to Flips old 90 si Revelaiton Pro. Scottie Draper used this model, and I have one or two of them around. The 200G XL comes up out of this mold as well. Haas, Berdych, Blake,, amongst others past and present use frames like this. Granted the lay ups of graphite might have been different, but the mold was the same, and the frame is a Dunlop. I started the Tyger thing, stating that at that time, the closest yo u could buy to a Haas frame commercially at that time was a Tyger Xcel Drive 630, now better yet, if you do not mind a more open string bed, and lighter weight, the 200G XL is straight up out of that mold and wears Dunlop colours. And Haas did try the yellow and black paint for the 200G, he and his coach agreed they didn't like it. Dunlop has and continues to bust their butts to find something he likes. And listen to what Racket Design has to say, dude used to work there, and helped create this one from scratch.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=23346

kelz
12-09-2008, 09:43 PM
Here some pics from Haas's real Dunlop:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1274/tommyhaasyq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

He tee'd off on that alright

Ross K
12-09-2008, 10:52 PM
my friends, haas uses an old head stick!! i know the stringer at IMG academies who strung them and who has some of his older M_fil frames..the frame looks identical to an old Pro Tour 630. especially it can be seen clearly at the throat area and at the aera shortly before the grip begins..this stringer told me that haas still uses and old Twintube radical tour 630( uncustomized specs similar to prestige MP, but a little higher swingweight). The Pro Tour 630, Head twintube radical tour 630, or even the head prestige MG Mp have an identical mold. These molds ar so common on the tour that almost every racquet company has them. For example, Tecnifibre's T-Fight 335, 320 come from this mold. The T-fight 325 is actually a Head prestige XL..same mold..and the Head prestige XL is a longer version of a Pro Tour 630...I am not saying that u are buyin an old pro tour 630, when u are buyin a head liquidmetal Prestige MP..The liquidmetal series have a slightly different mold.especially in the throat area..there are places that are not as smooth as the Pro Tour. Back to the Topic...Haas uses a standard lenght stick..with uncustomized specs that are very similar to a head Prestige MP. he adds lead to 3+9 O'clock and in the gripp. I was told that he is experimenting with balances because of his shoulder. he tried a 28 cmbalance..i dont know if he is stil using it..and his racquet is about 370-380 gr. unstrung. Full natural Gut. Actually such a combination must be paradise on earth. Nobody can tell what is exactly under the PJ of his racquet but it is not false to say that it is based on a head racquet. The Dunlop M-Fil 200 Plus frames, as well as the Dunlop AG 300 tour..are very similar molds but with different drill patterns.

So what do you racket expert ppl think of this statement then?!... TBH I'm amazed ppl don't find this worthy of comment... :confused:

ilian
12-09-2008, 11:22 PM
So what do you racket expert ppl think of this statement then?!... TBH I'm amazed ppl don't find this worthy of comment... :confused:

I believe this and I mentioned before that the racquet looks like it could be a Head. I have also heard before that Haas uses an old model Head.

plasma
12-10-2008, 07:39 AM
ilan, you're right, the elongated head looks more like a prestige than a rounded dunlop. We'll have to jump Mauressmo and sand down her pj's...why does everyone keep calling her "Tommy Hass"??????

Fedace
12-10-2008, 07:46 AM
^^^Looks like exactly same racket to me...

vsbabolat
12-10-2008, 09:03 AM
So what do you racket expert ppl think of this statement then?!... TBH I'm amazed ppl don't find this worthy of comment... :confused:

Ross K, this is a very old disscusion that Racketdesign settled along time ago. Please read through this thread. I think you will find very interesting.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=23346

vsbabolat
12-10-2008, 09:46 AM
^^^Looks like exactly same racket to me...

Wll you either need to get your eyes checked or you don't know what a Mucle Weave 200G looks like.
Tommy Haas's racquet with the Muscle Weave 200G Paint Job
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The real Muscle Weave 200G
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/DunlopMuscleWeave200G.jpg



Fedace how come now you think Haas uses a Muscle Weave 200G when just a few weeks ago you where saying that Haas uses a Aergel 300. Can't you keep your B.S. stories straight?

Aerogel 300 has been very popular. one of the most popular line in Dunlop rackets history. and the fact that Haas uses it doesn't hurt either.
I personally talked with Tommy at a tournament. i asked him, "tommy, do you really use Aerogel 300 ??" and he replied, " Yea, i do, it is a nice racket, it has great control and nice power. i play really well with it" Case closed.

You give out more bad information than anybody I have ever seen on this message forum. At least you could do is have one story and stick to it. But you always change your stories. Have a little consistency will you!!
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=2880130&highlight=haas#post2880130

NickC
12-10-2008, 10:07 AM
Wll you either need to get your eyes checked or you don't know what a Mucle Weave 200G looks like.
Tommy Haas's racquet with the Muscle Weave 200G Paint Job
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The real Muscle Weave 200G
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/DunlopMuscleWeave200G.jpg



Fedace how come now you think Haas uses a Muscle Weave 200G when just a few weeks ago you where saying that Haas uses a Aergel 300. Can't you keep your B.S. stories straight?




You give out more bad information than anybody I have ever seen on this message forum. At least you could do is have one story and stick to it. But you always change your stories. Have a little consistency will you!!
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=2880130&highlight=haas#post2880130


Hey man, don't listen to FedAce. He's one of the true morons on this board and has never posted anything that even resembles anything truthful. He lies and lies and I don't believe that anyone on these boards, save for him, buys his BS.

ilian
12-10-2008, 10:26 AM
Wll you either need to get your eyes checked or you don't know what a Mucle Weave 200G looks like.
Tommy Haas's racquet with the Muscle Weave 200G Paint Job
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The real Muscle Weave 200G
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/DunlopMuscleWeave200G.jpg



Fedace how come now you think Haas uses a Muscle Weave 200G when just a few weeks ago you where saying that Haas uses a Aergel 300. Can't you keep your B.S. stories straight?




You give out more bad information than anybody I have ever seen on this message forum. At least you could do is have one story and stick to it. But you always change your stories. Have a little consistency will you!!
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=2880130&highlight=haas#post2880130

Thanks for the clear example to my words!

Staiger
12-10-2008, 12:09 PM
dont really give a sh*t what Hass uses , but the AG300 is a top racket

OA89
12-11-2008, 07:06 AM
tommy haas grew up and became a tennis pro with a head pro tour..it is reasonable to assume that he wanted to stick to a racquet that is very close to that..nobody can tell what s under the PJ..it could ba a real head pro tour..painted as dunlop..or it is a special dunlop frame..that is a rebuilt head..

have u guys seen the new Aerogel 4D 300 tour yet?..there are some pics around in the web..the frame looks like one of those head pro tours

Fedace
12-11-2008, 07:09 AM
Wll you either need to get your eyes checked or you don't know what a Mucle Weave 200G looks like.
Tommy Haas's racquet with the Muscle Weave 200G Paint Job
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The real Muscle Weave 200G
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/DunlopMuscleWeave200G.jpg



Fedace how come now you think Haas uses a Muscle Weave 200G when just a few weeks ago you where saying that Haas uses a Aergel 300. Can't you keep your B.S. stories straight?




You give out more bad information than anybody I have ever seen on this message forum. At least you could do is have one story and stick to it. But you always change your stories. Have a little consistency will you!!
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=2880130&highlight=haas#post2880130

that is not what he was using at indi this past summer. so everything you have said is irrelevant..:)

Kal-El 34
12-11-2008, 07:19 AM
WHO CARES REALLY.. he's got a custom mold that you can't get

Fedace
12-11-2008, 07:47 AM
WHO CARES REALLY.. he's got a custom mold that you can't get

Right Exactly. Not sure what the attraction is to finding exactly what the pro is using. 99.9% of the pros use custom that is tailored just for their game. and if you could use their racket, you would be on the Tour not in this little forum typing away...:):)

vsbabolat
12-11-2008, 08:16 AM
that is not what he was using at indi this past summer. so everything you have said is irrelevant..:)

Tommy Haas has not changed racquets. Sorry wrong again as usual. Everything that you have to say is irrelevant. You can't even make up your mind whether Haas uses a Muscle Weave 200G or a Aerogel 300. It is just more B.S. Post by you. You have zero credibility.


Here is Haas from the summer of 2008.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Tommy_Haas_2008_a.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Tommy_Haas_2008_b.jpg
The same racquet with a muscle weave 200G Paint Job.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

WHO CARES REALLY.. he's got a custom mold that you can't get

The mold is available again with a 18x20 string pattern with the new Aerogel 300 Tour 4D.

NickC
12-11-2008, 08:24 AM
that is not what he was using at indi this past summer. so everything you have said is irrelevant..:)

I looked it up on Gettyimages. His frame and an AG300 are completely different, and have different string patterns. As usual, you're flat out wrong. Your credibility versus a picture; I wonder who wins? Certainly not you. Epic fail.

iTxMe
12-11-2008, 10:16 AM
wow, it looks like an i.prestige w/out cap.

ilian
12-11-2008, 10:55 AM
This is the old Dunlop that used that mould for the first time:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j101/gcmichals/DunMP90.jpg

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/1270949.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A65372F03FD8999879 9930FDCFC4C15FBB

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/1270903.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6C63B856E4CE5F4C9 9930FDCFC4C15FBB

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/1018014.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193CC300C081D9F470084BB7EAE8979B82E 300EB236581B0FC2E30A760B0D811297

MichaelChang
12-11-2008, 11:33 AM
Ross K, this is a very old disscusion that Racketdesign settled along time ago. Please read through this thread. I think you will find very interesting.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=23346

Very interesting read indeed.
and funny that the 2nd half of the thread becomes a fight between bp and others lol.

Staiger
12-11-2008, 11:45 AM
We can establish that it is certainly NOT a AG300, the throat is way too long !!! Sorry Fedace , it looks like you are wrong again !!

Ross K
12-11-2008, 11:00 PM
Okay. So according to the old thread posted above (cheers Michael Chang) it's an old custom Dunlop. Closer actually to the Hot Melt than the MW (interesting to hear how pros prefer the thicker throat area of a Hot Melt.) It's XL. And this is the clear opinion of Thomas Martinez and Racquet Design (who worked for Dunlop.)... Well, I was definitely swayed earlier by OA89's post forwarding the Head argument, so to speak. But the comments of Racket Design and others seem to have ended this debate once and for all... finito.

Automatix
12-11-2008, 11:51 PM
Well not all pros like thicker throats... for example Mauresmo's frame has a really thin bridge.

ilian
12-14-2008, 07:27 PM
Here is the racquet for which this mould was used first:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j101/gcmichals/DunMP90.jpg

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/1021130.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193CC300C081D9F4700F9354DA06FA8A667 F47F0E5DA2DD7082E30A760B0D811297

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/RlSvJXeuzLI/AAAAAAAAC8A/sr361Kxp2Uo/s1600/MarkPhilippoussis01.jpg

Mark Phillippoussis was the one who played it first in the 90s.

Below is the same racquet with the MW paintjob:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lLsdaCVk3Kk/RlSvEHeuzKI/AAAAAAAAC74/PuK29scCqbI/s1600/MarkPhilippoussis04.jpg

P.S: I hope that these pictures will not be removed as the first one I posted a couple of days ago, two posts up (Phillippoussis without a shirt, which I re-posted)...

Fedace
12-14-2008, 07:34 PM
^^^What is the flex rating ?

NickC
12-14-2008, 07:37 PM
^^^What is the flex rating ?

Will you admit defeat on this one? You've been proven wrong.

ilian
12-14-2008, 07:37 PM
^^^What is the flex rating ?

I don't know, but I will take a guess and say that it is more flexible than the current Dunlop frames.

Fedace
12-14-2008, 07:54 PM
Will you admit defeat on this one? You've been proven wrong.

I am not 100 % convinced that this is THE frame for Haas. Can you ask Haas for one of his frames so that we can examine it in more detail ?? We will need to strip off all the paint so that we can compare the two.:confused::confused:

ilian
12-14-2008, 08:00 PM
I am not 100 % convinced that this is THE frame for Haas. Can you ask Haas for one of his frames so that we can examine it in more detail ?? We will need to strip off all the paint so that we can compare the two.:confused::confused:

I will leave that to you, since I do believe that this is the frame. Good luck! ;)

vsbabolat
12-14-2008, 08:37 PM
I will leave that to you, since I do believe that this is the frame. Good luck! ;)

What is most amusing about Fedace is he won't even take "Racketdesign's" word as to what the racquet is that Haas uses. "Racketdesign" only designed racquets at Dunlop and worked with Haas on his racquets!!!!!!!

zamogilny95
12-20-2008, 06:37 AM
nice pic dude :)

cageecho
05-13-2009, 07:13 PM
Just watched the Roddick/Haas Madrid match, towards the end of the match, Haas busted a string...he walked over to pull out another racquet, and had a close up on it and the logo on the string was dunlop, but the throat of the racquet still said Head...guess they didn't repaint that one.

vsbabolat
05-13-2009, 07:26 PM
Just watched the Roddick/Haas Madrid match, towards the end of the match, Haas busted a string...he walked over to pull out another racquet, and had a close up on it and the logo on the string was dunlop, but the throat of the racquet still said Head...guess they didn't repaint that one.

Since the U.S. Clay Courts in Houston Haas has been using a HEAD racquet with a Dunlop stencil

Swan Song
05-13-2009, 10:07 PM
Closest to Tommy's real racquet would be the Aerogel 4D 300 Tour. I know someone who plays with the Tour mold, and he hit with both of them side by side and he said they played the same except for the weight.

lacoster
05-14-2009, 12:49 AM
Fedace how come now you think Haas uses a Muscle Weave 200G when just a few weeks ago you where saying that Haas uses a Aergel 300. Can't you keep your B.S. stories straight?


You give out more bad information than anybody I have ever seen on this message forum. At least you could do is have one story and stick to it. But you always change your stories. Have a little consistency will you!!
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=2880130&highlight=haas#post2880130

Ok, this has to be a JOKE because I come back to these boards after a super long hiatus and see the same nonsensical babble from Fedace.

I can distinctly remember many times a few years ago he has "talked to Hingis and Yonex is engineering a Babolat for her to stay on a life contract," or "knows someone in (insert racquet company) R&D," or "has talked to (insert name) pro," blah blah blah.

Now I remember why I stopped visiting this site because of all the time I waste sifting through his egregious, ridiculous garbage to actually get to useful information. Maybe if I come back again after another year hiatus...deja vu.

paulfreda
05-14-2009, 02:00 AM
Since the U.S. Clay Courts in Houston Haas has been using a HEAD racquet with a Dunlop stencil

Yes
I just got a closeup on TV at Madrid and he had a Head Prestige
with stock paintjob BUT the stencil was Dunlop.

Pretty unusual.
Are both companies paying him but lesser amounts for each logo ?

ilian
05-14-2009, 06:15 AM
Closest to Tommy's real racquet would be the Aerogel 4D 300 Tour. I know someone who plays with the Tour mold, and he hit with both of them side by side and he said they played the same except for the weight.

How much heavier was Tommy's racquet?

ilian
05-14-2009, 06:16 AM
Yes
I just got a closeup on TV at Madrid and he had a Head Prestige
with stock paintjob BUT the stencil was Dunlop.

Pretty unusual.
Are both companies paying him but lesser amounts for each logo ?

If he is using a Dunlop logo, that means that he has contract with Dunlop, but uses the Prestige.

ilian
05-14-2009, 06:18 AM
Since the U.S. Clay Courts in Houston Haas has been using a HEAD racquet with a Dunlop stencil

According to me, Haas has always used a Head racquet. ;)

star 5 15
05-14-2009, 03:21 PM
someone just get fedace off these boards. all he does is talk bs.

Swan Song
05-14-2009, 09:38 PM
How much heavier was Tommy's racquet?

Dunno. I only know that he uses a Tour Mold, but I do not know his specs.

balance
07-03-2009, 06:50 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/51/fullj.e87aebcddfbabbcac88c320cc25840a9/e87aebcddfbabbcac88c320cc25840a9-getty-tennis-atp-esp-roddick-haas.jpg

i play with an head i.prestige mid and it got a lot of similar things.

drawoo
07-03-2009, 12:13 PM
shots from the funny moment, plz check the frame..

http://bbs.tennis.com.cn/uploadFiles/2009-07/4_10113625_1.jpg

Mdubb23
07-09-2009, 02:22 PM
VSBabolat, or anyone else that knows what their talking about, what is the code in the throat of Tommy's stick, if he's still using the Dunlop/Tecnfibre pro mold---did Head come up with a code for that?

Cross Court
07-09-2009, 03:08 PM
Not to brag or anything, but I was AT the Haas/Gasquet match. Pulling for my man, Gasquet.

TsongaEatingAPineappleLol
07-09-2009, 06:42 PM
He uses Dunlop Snoopy.

Azzurri
07-09-2009, 08:07 PM
Ok, this has to be a JOKE because I come back to these boards after a super long hiatus and see the same nonsensical babble from Fedace.

I can distinctly remember many times a few years ago he has "talked to Hingis and Yonex is engineering a Babolat for her to stay on a life contract," or "knows someone in (insert racquet company) R&D," or "has talked to (insert name) pro," blah blah blah.

Now I remember why I stopped visiting this site because of all the time I waste sifting through his egregious, ridiculous garbage to actually get to useful information. Maybe if I come back again after another year hiatus...deja vu.

I know how you feel. I have placed Fedache on my ignore list and some others. It's growing by the week.

Fedace
07-09-2009, 08:18 PM
That is definitely a Microgel Prestige. However probably heavily customized so it will have higher swingweight.

cork_screw
07-09-2009, 08:23 PM
I'm sure by the picture you can tell how big the racquet is. If you placed a 100 sq inch racquet into an 98, the difference is minimal. You can't tell just by looking at it.

G&G
07-14-2009, 01:38 PM
I have visited RPNY last week and seen the racquets of Haas and Agassi. I was told that Tommy uses the real MP prestige (not sure MP or Pro). I also saw a bunch of his old dunlops. Lady at the store said that old dunlops are the property of him and he might decide to comeback to them any time.

i also had a chance to look at the racquets of Agassi. I can say that it is definetely not a radical. Even RPNY do not know what it is. It is pretty heavy and the frame by it self is not rounded. RPNY said that the racquet is maid for Agassi and it looks like old fashion. I never believed that he plays with his old Donnay under the Head paint job, however right now i wouldn't be so sure.

FedererForehand
07-14-2009, 01:58 PM
i also had a chance to look at the racquets of Agassi. I can say that it is definetely not a radical. Even RPNY do not know what it is. It is pretty heavy and the frame by it self is not rounded. RPNY said that the racquet is maid for Agassi and it looks like old fashion. I never believed that he plays with his old Donnay under the Head paint job, however right now i wouldn't be so sure.

I believe Agassi's frames are the Radical Trysis 260. They have almost a boxed look to them- right?

G&G
07-15-2009, 04:44 AM
I believe Agassi's frames are the Radical Trysis 260. They have almost a boxed look to them- right?

I dont't know how Radical Trysis 260 looks like. I do remember that agassi started to play with the yellow head, which looked like the one TW is/was selling. But it differs from the one i had in my hands...

FedererForehand
07-15-2009, 08:15 AM
I dont't know how Radical Trysis 260 looks like. I do remember that agassi started to play with the yellow head, which looked like the one TW is/was selling. But it differs from the one i had in my hands...

The yellow/ black Radical that TW was selling was a reproduction of the Radical Trysis 260 that was produced in the mid 90s. Taking graphics out of the equation, Agassi's Radical probably looked closer to the Donnay Pro One oversize (as far as construction of the frame goes).

Rabbit
07-15-2009, 09:03 AM
I was told by a very reliable source the basically Dunlop did an excellent job of copying the Head PT 280 for Haas. There was a bit of a contract dispute and Haas phoned Head. Head was glad to run a few off for him, put the current paint on for him and deliver.

slice bh compliment
07-15-2009, 09:37 AM
I was told by a very reliable source the basically Dunlop did an excellent job of copying the Head PT 280 for Haas. There was a bit of a contract dispute and Haas phoned Head. Head was glad to run a few off for him, put the current paint on for him and deliver.

Yes, I also have heard this through a buddy close to the situation (traveling coach). This happened right before the European claycourt swing.
Evidently there are lawyers involved (Dunlop) now.

On a related note, if anyone's tried the 4D aerogel 3hundred tour (which was supposed to be Tommy's 'real' frame, it's a winner. A little light, but, wow, what a great feeling stick....along the lines of an ag 100 or ag200, only with a 98 head. Very nice looking, too: dk gray with red. I haven't switched to it, but I would if I were in the mkt.

Rabbit
07-15-2009, 09:42 AM
Yes, I also have heard this through a buddy close to the situation (traveling coach). This happened right before the European claycourt swing.
Evidently there are lawyers involved (Dunlop) now.

Yeah, from what I was told, Haas' anchor is not too deep with anyone which may be potentially bad news for his fiancee. He signed a deal with K-Swiss and I don't think it was too very long before he was wearing Nikes again.

He was blatant with using the Head frame in Head paint and a Dunlop stencil as well. I don't know what his deal was with Dunlop, but he sure cut the cord...


On a related note, if anyone's tried the 4D aerogel 3hundred tour (which was supposed to be Tommy's 'real' frame, it's a winner. A little light, but, wow, what a great feeling stick....along the lines of an ag 100 or ag200, only with a 98 head. Very nice looking, too: dk gray with red. I haven't switched to it, but I would if I were in the mkt.

I agree. I'm in the process of moving from the 100 to the 300T and it is a very nice frame. I was looking for something a little lighter, and it's a good fit for me. I also agree with your comment about its similarity to the 100 feel-wise except so far for serving. And I wholeheartedly agree with your comment regarding the cosmetics. It is Dunlop's best looking frame IMO. (and in the end, isn't that the most important thing ;) )

IceNineTX
07-15-2009, 10:11 AM
Since the U.S. Clay Courts in Houston Haas has been using a HEAD racquet with a Dunlop stencil

FWIW, here are a bunch of shots of him from that tournament. You can zoom in on his racquet in quite a few.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jpcampbell/Clay_courts_2009HaasGremelmeyer#

slice bh compliment
07-15-2009, 01:58 PM
Yeah, from what I was told, Haas' anchor is not too deep with anyone which may be potentially bad news for his fiancee.....

I'm in the process of moving from the 100 to the 300T and it is a very nice frame. I was looking for something a little lighter, and it's a good fit for me. I also agree with your comment about its similarity to the 100 feel-wise except so far for serving. And I wholeheartedly agree with your comment regarding the cosmetics. It is Dunlop's best looking frame IMO. (and in the end, isn't that the most important thing ;) )

LOL about Sarah Foster, good stuff, man!

ag 100 or 4d ag300Tour....both just great. You cannot go wrong, buddy. I'm a babolat guy, but now you've got me thinking about it. I will re-demo the 300Tour tonight. Great-looking red stick (un baton rouge?)

master_stringer_mitchy
07-16-2009, 07:14 PM
That is definitely a Microgel Prestige. However probably heavily customized so it will have higher swingweight.

just to let you know haas does not use a micro gel racket. i was in RPNY on monday and held Haas's racket, its one of the earlier prestiges, had a code in the throat that ended in 57 i thing. would have taken pics but was not allowed. very heavy racket though. mitch

NickC
07-16-2009, 08:11 PM
just to let you know haas does not use a micro gel racket. i was in RPNY on monday and held Haas's racket, its one of the earlier prestiges, had a code in the throat that ended in 57 i thing. would have taken pics but was not allowed. very heavy racket though. mitch

That means it's a PT57A.

Fraudace is proven wrong once again!

Eiffel59
07-16-2009, 09:45 PM
Yeah, from the shape of the yoke it looks like a PT57 <either A or E>. Not a genuine MGP, tho :D

master_stringer_mitchy
07-17-2009, 11:34 AM
and the girl told me it was a pj to, from a distance looks the same though. it has a diferent but camp, all black with the old logo

hsv91
06-04-2011, 02:06 PM
Which racquet, string and tension did Haas actually news (for example French Open)?

Outfit:

Grip (Forehand/Backhand):

vsbabolat
06-04-2011, 05:19 PM
Which racquet, string and tension did Haas actually news (for example French Open)?

Outfit:

Grip (Forehand/Backhand):

HEAD Prestige MP 18x20

SolFire Tee-shirt
Lacoste shorts
Nike Air Balistics 3.3 black yellow shoes

Grip:
Forehand semi-western
Backhand Eastern Backhand

ben123
06-04-2011, 05:41 PM
HEAD Prestige MP 18x20

SolFire Tee-shirt
Lacoste shorts
Nike Air Balistics 3.3 black yellow shoes

Grip:
Forehand semi-western
Backhand Eastern Backhand

im not up to date with this but tommy is using a newer stock frame, not just a paintjob? (yes yes with lead etc i know)
head youtek prestige midplus?

and thx for the infos ^^

hsv91
06-05-2011, 02:37 AM
HEAD Prestige MP 18x20

SolFire Tee-shirt
Lacoste shorts
Nike Air Balistics 3.3 black yellow shoes

Grip:
Forehand semi-western
Backhand Eastern Backhand

Thanks!

Which string and string tension did he play?

And from which brand is his wristband and where can I buy his Solfire-Outfit?

jorel
06-06-2011, 05:52 AM
just to let you know haas does not use a micro gel racket. i was in RPNY on monday and held Haas's racket, its one of the earlier prestiges, had a code in the throat that ended in 57 i thing. would have taken pics but was not allowed. very heavy racket though. mitch
isnt that place great!!!

i would recommend any tennis geek a trip to nyc

hsv91
06-07-2011, 08:50 AM
Haas play at the tournament in Halle (Gerry Weber Open) his VS Touch 16 String with 26/24kp.

rdis10093
08-29-2011, 02:29 PM
at the us open, he is playing with Head. He also has no cothes contaract I guess, NIke shorts and addidat shirt

dr325i
08-29-2011, 10:35 PM
Yeah, from the shape of the yoke it looks like a PT57 <either A or E>. Not a genuine MGP, tho :D

Can you tell us the yoke difference between the "genuine" MGP and the PT57A? Thanks.

Matt H.
09-01-2011, 11:54 AM
it looks like he has a hybrid string job.

KTENNIS
04-09-2012, 01:03 AM
His racquet weighs around 360 grams with a 31 cm balance. 98 headsize.

KTENNIS
04-09-2012, 01:05 AM
Oh and it's a custom mold.

chrischris
04-09-2012, 03:47 AM
I have 2 of Tommys's Dunlops. got them from a retired ATP pro that got them from him. mine are the ones in aerogel 300 paint.

chrischris
04-09-2012, 03:49 AM
Sorry, but it is 97 sq. in.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4q7jukw.jpg



This one:)

KTENNIS
04-10-2012, 10:27 AM
Sorry mistake. His balance is 32 cm.

KTENNIS
04-10-2012, 10:30 AM
at the us open, he is playing with Head. He also has no cothes contaract I guess, NIke shorts and addidat shirt
No, he has a clothes contract. Unsponsored players must wear unbranded clothes in large tournaments. Which is terrible for them.:(

Power Player
04-10-2012, 10:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrh7ty1_KQs&hd=1

Haas was using the Prestige Mid PJ when I saw him at the SEO.

Apparently his shirt contract was pulled as well ;)

King_roger
04-10-2012, 04:23 PM
No, he has a clothes contract. Unsponsored players must wear unbranded clothes in large tournaments. Which is terrible for them.:(

What are you talking buddy??
:confused:


I saw Tommy in this vid rockin some nice Asics stuff again. That would be really cool, if he could get a contract with them again. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E2CHZmJgs

bjk
04-11-2012, 04:10 AM
If Head and Dunlop and the rest have players using old sticks, why not sell them for $300+ as special exclusive limited editions, and get rid of the paint jobs? Nobody buys the Blake PJ racket, but they might buy the REAL Blake racket.

T21D
04-11-2012, 04:47 AM
If Head and Dunlop and the rest have players using old sticks, why not sell them for $300+ as special exclusive limited editions, and get rid of the paint jobs? Nobody buys the Blake PJ racket, but they might buy the REAL Blake racket.

You don't really believe that do you? Blake would have to pay me to buy his racket.:oops:

bjk
04-11-2012, 05:03 AM
You don't really believe that do you? Blake would have to pay me to buy his racket.:oops:

So then why are there long threads about the real Blake racket? Obviously there is an interest out there.

movdqa
04-11-2012, 05:10 AM
Nobody would buy them. The KPS88 was the best example of that.

bjk
04-11-2012, 09:18 AM
Nobody would buy them. The KPS88 was the best example of that.

I was able to pick up a few cheap Agassi LE rackets, with his authentic strings and grip etc etc for real cheap. So you're probably right.

jorel
04-11-2012, 09:55 AM
So then why are there long threads about the real Blake racket? Obviously there is an interest out there.
he was using the k90 for a while...u can buy that one

stangaele
06-16-2012, 06:25 AM
Most probably he is using a tgk 238.4...i did some research around the web and ended up with this conclusion..maybe i'm wrong

drakulie
06-16-2012, 06:42 AM
He was using a pt 280 at Delray this year.

vsbabolat
06-16-2012, 06:54 AM
He was using a pt 280 at Delray this year.

Still is...

stangaele
06-16-2012, 07:29 AM
What is the string scheme of the pt280?? 18x20??

vsbabolat
06-16-2012, 09:21 AM
What is the string scheme of the pt280?? 18x20??

He is using 18x20 again. Earlier in the year he was using Murray's stick.

niktub
06-16-2012, 10:20 AM
He was using a pt 280 at Delray this year.

PJ of it i suppose

stangaele
06-16-2012, 12:21 PM
I have a question..as far as I want to know more about this codes..is pt280/630 the same as PT57a??
Thanks in advance to all

vsbabolat
06-16-2012, 02:44 PM
I have a question..as far as I want to know more about this codes..is pt280/630 the same as PT57a??
Thanks in advance to all

Yes, The Pro Tour 630 is the PT57A.

db10s
06-16-2012, 04:36 PM
He was using a pt 280 at Delray this year.

I can confirm this (not that I should have to). I brought one of his frames up to be strung (ballboy).

Tacco
11-27-2013, 06:22 AM
... here is even a photo of Haas' racquet with a Muscle Weave Paint Job.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4330/vrfpn6fc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I suppose this blue grip was the original one actually used by Tommy, wasn't it? Could you please tell me brand&model?

Do you know if he's still using it, with his today's Head, or maybe he changed to Head Calfskin or different kind of grip?
Ettore

lidoazndiabloboi
11-27-2013, 10:37 AM
I suppose this blue grip was the original one actually used by Tommy, wasn't it? Could you please tell me brand&model?

Do you know if he's still using it, with his today's Head, or maybe he changed to Head Calfskin or different kind of grip?
Ettore

From pics on P1's twitter account, Haas used/uses P1 leather grip.

Tacco
11-28-2013, 03:56 AM
Thanks a lot for this information!
So, I suppose the blue one in the pic is a replacement grip putted on that stick by its new owner...
Ettore

Lavs
11-28-2013, 04:51 AM
Blue grip is Gamm Hi-Tech which Haas always used back in the day.

Tacco
11-28-2013, 07:52 AM
From pics on P1's twitter account, Haas used/uses P1 leather grip.
I'm not on twitter, I checked from a friend's account but I didn't find it. Could you please let me know what is the exact P1's twitter account...?

Blue grip is Gamm Hi-Tech which Haas always used back in the day.
Do you know when he stopped using blue Gamma Hi Tech switching to leather grip...?
Ettore

chrischris
11-28-2013, 09:11 AM
Sorry, but it is 97 sq. in.

http://i16.tinypic.com/4q7jukw.jpg


i had this Haas pro stock in AeroGel 300 1st edition PJ. it was such a sweet stick.. low swingweight but serious plowthrough and stability and feel. At the time i has the Berdych pro stock , the Dunlop AG 200 PJ. also a nice one,but the Haas one,was superb.
Regret it a bit that i sold it tbh.

Tacco
11-28-2013, 09:30 AM
I've just bought a HM black/yellow pj one, from 2002 (it's new, never strung, with his name on bridge), and it's so nice for me...
But I don't want to string it, I will keep it as it is. Maybe I will try to get a used one (MW pj) in the future, so I could string and play it, just to make a comparison with my actual PT57E from a former italian ATP player...
Ettore

lidoazndiabloboi
11-29-2013, 09:29 AM
I'm not on twitter, I checked from a friend's account but I didn't find it. Could you please let me know what is the exact P1's twitter account...?


Do you know when he stopped using blue Gamma Hi Tech switching to leather grip...?
Ettore

Here you go
http://twitpic.com/9j68ak

Tacco
11-29-2013, 09:34 AM
Great, thanks a lot!!!!
Now I'm curious to know when Tommy stopped using the blue Gamma Hi Tech, starting to use leather...
Ettore

Matt H.
12-02-2013, 10:26 AM
I've just bought a HM black/yellow pj one, from 2002 (it's new, never strung, with his name on bridge), and it's so nice for me...
But I don't want to string it, I will keep it as it is. Maybe I will try to get a used one (MW pj) in the future, so I could string and play it, just to make a comparison with my actual PT57E from a former italian ATP player...
Ettore

do you have the specs on tommy's frame?

i've heard the balance point is extremely low, which would make sense with the low swingweight...ie, all the weight in the grip.

carlosoki
12-02-2013, 12:37 PM
I think the specs are:

head size : 98sq.inc. / 630cm² midplus
length: 27” / 68,5cm (standard)
balance : 31,4 cm
weight unstrung: 349gr ( silicone in the handle & lead under grommets & lead placed 3h/9h )
string pattern: 18/20
grip size L4 ( 4.1/2 ) special pallets for him molded directly on the frame
with leather grip

Lavs
12-03-2013, 03:51 PM
Do you know when he stopped using blue Gamma Hi Tech switching to leather grip...?
Ettore
Not really. I can only guess that since his switch to Head, he started to use Head Calfskin leather..

Tacco
02-11-2014, 02:35 AM
I think the specs are:
...
grip size L4 ( 4.1/2 ) special pallets for him molded directly on the frame
with leather grip
... with L5 Head shape butt cap. ;-)

Do you know what kind of actual grommets will fit his old Dunlop frame?
Maybe the ones for the F 3.0 Tour? It's 18x20 as the F 2.0 Tour, but the first is given as a 98sq (as Haas's pro stock) when the second is only a 95sq. Or maybe grommets are the same for those two...?
Ettore

Tacco
03-21-2014, 07:53 AM
For those interested in this info, PT924 is the code/name of the mold made by Dunlop for him and other players (James Blake, for example)...
Ettore

Rajan Rackets
03-22-2014, 10:12 AM
I talk rackets and pro stocks with my coach all the time.
I heard some funny storys about Haas's finickiness with rackets.

Apparently (when he was back with dunlop) he didnt line one paint color over the other because it was heavier than the other. The same thing happened with his prestige too as the grommets that were given initially were "lighter than the black ones" hes use to.

I get it - a pro needs what they want to play top shelf tennis. It just seems kinda crazy they get hung up on the smallest of things like a grommet and paint.

Matt H.
03-22-2014, 10:16 AM
Yeah he claimed the matte paint of the hot melt paint job felt very different compared to the gloss paint on the muscle weave.

WhereIsMacMac
03-22-2014, 11:09 AM
For those interested in this info, PT924 is the code/name of the mold made by Dunlop for him and other players (James Blake, for example)...
Ettore


What does PT924 means? How is it different from the "Option" racquets discussed earlier on the threads? I'd love to hear a thing or two from someone who's actually got an experience with Dunlop pro stocks

chrischris
03-22-2014, 11:18 AM
Here are the Dunlop rackets that he used before Head signed him.
Note the string pattern..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57418805@N06/6915290125/

WhereIsMacMac
03-22-2014, 11:43 AM
Here are the Dunlop rackets that he used before Head signed him.
Note the string pattern..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57418805@N06/6915290125/


You're the same guy from sf dot net? ;)

Anyway, how do you know if a racquet's a PT924? How do you differentiate one Dunlop pro stock to the other?

PBODY99
03-22-2014, 06:48 PM
Yeah he claimed the matte paint of the hot melt paint job felt very different compared to the gloss paint on the muscle weave.

On his one handed back hand, he holds the throat in left hand, so yes the \difference in feel could be a distraction.

BreakPoint
03-22-2014, 09:15 PM
Yeah he claimed the matte paint of the hot melt paint job felt very different compared to the gloss paint on the muscle weave.
Well, it does feel very different. The Hot Melt paintjob was rubberized and very "grippy", whereas the paintjob on the Muscle Weave was glossy and more slippery. You'll definitely notice the difference when you cradle the throat of the racquets in your off-hand as you prepare to hit one-handed backhands.

JGads
03-22-2014, 11:16 PM
Yeah he claimed the matte paint of the hot melt paint job felt very different compared to the gloss paint on the muscle weave.

Paint and gloss can change a frame's ball feel and sound. I'm aware of some pros other than Haas who haven't changed paint schemes because of that exact reason.

Hotrocks
04-14-2014, 06:17 PM
I think the specs are:

head size : 98sq.inc. / 630cm² midplus
length: 27” / 68,5cm (standard)
balance : 31,4 cm
weight unstrung: 349gr ( silicone in the handle & lead under grommets & lead placed 3h/9h )
string pattern: 18/20
grip size L4 ( 4.1/2 ) special pallets for him molded directly on the frame
with leather grip

I recently received one of Haas's racquets from the tournament in Miami, a broken one. The code in the throat is E004604. Leather grip, size 4 1/2 with looks to be tourna grip over grip. Paint job of the new Head Graphene Prestige MP with black head guard and grommets. Looks like gut strings in the mains and a black poly in the crosses with (power pads) for the center mains. Don't have a scale or balance beam to get the spec's, at the moment.

Tacco
04-15-2014, 01:49 AM
What does PT924 means? How is it different from the "Option" racquets discussed earlier on the threads? I'd love to hear a thing or two from someone who's actually got an experience with Dunlop pro stocks
Don't know what it means (Pro Tourxxx?), and don't know the differences from the other sticks...
I like your avatar! :)

Anyway, how do you know if a racquet's a PT924?
This is the production code on the shaft, under the handle. I've bought one of his PT924 pj black/silver Hot Melt. It's new, unused, without pallets/molded grip (before customization), shipped to him from Dunlop's China Factory in late 2002/early 2003 (he wanted some more sticks to try different set-up).

I recently received one of Haas's racquets from the tournament in Miami, a broken one. The code in the throat is E004604. Leather grip, size 4 1/2 with looks to be tourna grip over grip. Paint job of the new Head Graphene Prestige MP with black head guard and grommets. Looks like gut strings in the mains and a black poly in the crosses with (power pads) for the center mains. Don't have a scale or balance beam to get the spec's, at the moment.
It would be interesting to know if it's a PT57 (A? E?) or a TGK... Can you check codes under the pallets for us? Don't know if he's still using a molded grip or standard Head pallets: if he's still using a molded grip you can't check codes on the shaft, but you can tell us if at the end of the black grommets, on the side, there's a little portion of drill pattern (PT57s) or not (TGKs).
And... about the grip size... is L4 (4 1/2) the code on the buttcap? In the past he used L4 molded grip with L5 buttcap, and I'm curious to know how things are now...
Ettore

WhereIsMacMac
04-15-2014, 06:04 AM
Don't know what it means (Pro Tourxxx?), and don't know the differences from the other sticks...

I like your avatar! :)





This is the production code on the shaft, under the handle. I've bought one of his PT924 pj black/silver Hot Melt. It's new, unused, without pallets/molded grip (before customization), shipped to him from Dunlop's China Factory in late 2002/early 2003 (he wanted some more sticks to try different set-up).





It would be interesting to know if it's a PT57 (A? E?) or a TGK... Can you check codes under the pallets for us? Don't know if he's still using a molded grip or standard Head pallets: if he's still using a molded grip you can't check codes on the shaft, but you can tell us if at the end of the black grommets, on the side, there's a little portion of drill pattern (PT57s) or not (TGKs).

And... about the grip size... is L4 (4 1/2) the code on the buttcap? In the past he used L4 molded grip with L5 buttcap, and I'm curious to know how things are now...

Ettore


Thanks! Haha

Do you have pictures of the PT924's you bought? I've seen Dunlop pro stocks but only those with stickers in the throat.

Nostradamus
04-15-2014, 06:05 AM
4 and 1/2 ? that is small. he has a huge size hand. I seen it in a tournament

Tacco
04-15-2014, 07:08 AM
Thanks! Haha

Do you have pictures of the PT924's you bought? I've seen Dunlop pro stocks but only those with stickers in the throat.
Here they are...!
This is one used Haas's PT924 pj Muscle Weave (@2001 US Open), original molded grip with Head Finest leather grip (not original).

http://i.imgur.com/tFP88NW.jpg

This is one new, unused and unstrung Haas's PT924 pj black/yellow Hot Melt (@2002 US Open), original molded grip with leather grip (not original).

http://i.imgur.com/YM30vQh.jpg

This is the new, unused and unstrung Haas's PT924 pj black/silver Hot Melt (late 2002/early 2003), without molded grip or pallets.

http://i.imgur.com/diBHYfX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0KV03VX.jpg

...

Tacco
04-15-2014, 07:10 AM
... and this is the last one. A used Haas's PT924 pj 3 Hundred (2005 or 2006), original molded grip).

http://i.imgur.com/0IpY9aZ.jpg

These are my Haas's pro stock: the only pj I miss of his "Dunlop Era" is the Aerogel one.

4 and 1/2 ? that is small. he has a huge size hand. I seen it in a tournament
I can confirm (as you can see, I have 3 of his original PT924s with custom molded grip...) that it's an L4 handle (beeing custom molded, it's not identical to a standard retail L4 grip, but sizes are comparable) with only an Head shaped L5 buttcap without sticker.
Don't know if he's still using that kind/size of grip.
Ettore

boinz
04-15-2014, 07:22 AM
anyone here knows what the player code on the throat of pro stock means? Is it a batch no. of pro stock or is there more to it?

previously I had seen codes ranging from Bxxxx to Cxxxx and even Dxxxx I am sure there are Axxxx
but with the Prestige/Radical Graphene out there is Exxxx now

BreakPoint
04-15-2014, 12:19 PM
This is the new, unused and unstrung Haas's PT924 pj black/silver Hot Melt (late 2002/early 2003), without molded grip or pallets.

http://i.imgur.com/diBHYfX.jpg

...

Was there ever a retail HM200G with that black/silver color scheme? I don't recall ever seeing one. And if not, why would they paintjob Haas's racquet to look like that if that paintjob wasn't used for retail models?

vsbabolat
04-15-2014, 02:24 PM
Was there ever a retail HM200G with that black/silver color scheme? I don't recall ever seeing one. And if not, why would they paintjob Haas's racquet to look like that if that paintjob wasn't used for retail models?

He did not like the black/yellow PJ. He did not play much with it. Also the 400G PJ was the black/silver PJ. But of course Haas had to have 200G written on his frames.

Tacco
04-15-2014, 03:43 PM
He did not like the black/yellow PJ. He did not play much with it. Also the 400G PJ was the black/silver PJ. But of course Haas had to have 200G written on his frames.
You're right (as always...)!
He played a little bit with HM black/yellow pj during 2002 (French Open, US Open...) but didn't like it, so he switched back to the MW pj in the same year.
The black/silver HM pj was made for him at the end of that year, but I think he didn't use it in match playing, or he did it for a very short time (I saw only pics of him playing his MW pj in 2003). Here is a retail 400G black/silver Hot Melt pj:

http://i.imgur.com/WcHac19.jpg

WhereIsMacMac
04-15-2014, 05:28 PM
You're right (as always...)!

He played a little bit with HM black/yellow pj during 2002 (French Open, US Open...) but didn't like it, so he switched back to the MW pj in the same year.

The black/silver HM pj was made for him at the end of that year, but I think he didn't use it in match playing, or he did it for a very short time (I saw only pics of him playing his MW pj in 2003). Here is a retail 400G black/silver Hot Melt pj:



http://i.imgur.com/WcHac19.jpg


Gotta say the 400G looks much cooler than the 200G. On a side note I wonder why Dunlop doesn't have "established" color designation for each line unlike Head.

BreakPoint
04-15-2014, 08:57 PM
Gotta say the 400G looks much cooler than the 200G. On a side note I wonder why Dunlop doesn't have "established" color designation for each line unlike Head.
I think they sort of do after the Hot Melt line. Starting with the M-Fil line, the 200 series has been blue, 300 series has been red, etc.

BreakPoint
04-15-2014, 09:02 PM
He did not like the black/yellow PJ. He did not play much with it. Also the 400G PJ was the black/silver PJ. But of course Haas had to have 200G written on his frames.
Thanks, that's interesting. Too bad Haas didn't use this black/silver version much in matches, it's a nice looking paintjob.

WhereIsMacMac
04-16-2014, 02:06 AM
I think they sort of do after the Hot Melt line. Starting with the M-Fil line, the 200 series has been blue, 300 series has been red, etc.


What I mean is, it doesn't stick to my head that much. Unlike when I see a red Head, I will automatically think its a Prestige. And that's coming off a Dunlop user. Maybe its just me though.

TMR
10-23-2014, 08:22 AM
Do you still have this racquet?
I am trying to find one, but no luck.

TMR
10-23-2014, 08:23 AM
I have an old original Haas frame with the MW pj here at home. It is surely the same mold as the T.Fight 320/335. I put a TF bumper on it and it fits! ;) Also it is quit heavy and has a pretty soft frame. But a friend of mine who strung his rackets several times over the last years said that his frames became stiffer since the times of the MW pj.
Another friend who strings his rackets very often said that in the last months he dropped the racket weight a lot and also went down to 28 kilo string tension due to his shoulder problems.

sorry, here is the post I was referring to.

phishbiscuits
10-23-2014, 06:24 PM
TMR- PM me and I can put you in touch with someone who can help.

TMR
10-23-2014, 10:32 PM
TMR- PM me and I can put you in touch with someone who can help.

Hi phishbiscuits, I tried to email you through your profile, but I got: "Sorry! That user has specified that they do not wish to receive emails. If you still wish to send an email to this user, please contact the administrator and they may be able to help."

If you email me through my profile, it should work.