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SempreSami
09-01-2008, 06:52 PM
For me, at the moment it would be:

Carlos Tevez - fantastic workrate, runs his socks off every match.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00785/carlos_tevez_785036c.jpg
Rob Key - Kent CCC captain, should be playing for England. Sadly the ECB seem to have it in for Kent at the moment so I would be surprised if he ever gets a recall let alone another Kent player being picked.
http://shinymedia.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/21/key300.jpg

Max Winther
09-01-2008, 06:59 PM
Man I wish cricket, soccer, and rugby were more popular in the US. Seem a lot more interesting and taxing on the body. As for me, I like my man Maurice Jones-Drew of the Jacksonville Jaguars. He's like 5'5" but like 230 of pure muscle. The average man could use 1 leg of his football pants as a sleeping bag. Such a beast.

Also that Marius Puchanouski (sp) guy that you see all the time in the Worlds Stongest Man competitions. The dude has won what seems like 10 years in a row. While most of the strongmen are just insanely bulked but have a good amount of fat, Marius is just as big, but completely cut.

Of course, theres Phelps too. He's just built to be in the water. Absolutely incredible work ethic.
And Usain Bolt, who can set a world record in the 100 without even trying the last 30m and with his shoe untied.

SempreSami
09-01-2008, 07:09 PM
Cripes, I just looked at a photo of that Maurice Jones-Drew character, his neck is bigger than one of my thighs! :shock:

As for cricket, it certainly can take a lot out of you, sadly I don't think Test cricket (which I consider the highest level of the game) would ever catch on in the US because it's spread over five ambiguous days in which you aren't always guarenteed play and it can get incredibly slow, whereas in baseball you cram 9 innings into one evening (or something like that).

That said, Twenty20 cricket has sparked a lot of interest recently, an evening of batsmen mainly throwing caution to the wind and going for big hits off of everything.

Feņa14
09-01-2008, 07:33 PM
Yeah, Test Cricket really is the ultimate.

I love the 5 days it takes to build up. ODI's are ok but they are just over so quick, by the time you start to get into it, it's finished and you have to wait around 3-4 days for another to come round.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/505461112_fe0806c6e3.jpg?v=0

http://beat.bodoglife.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/henrik_stenson_200802_apres.jpg

hollywood9826
09-01-2008, 07:49 PM
Some would consider what P North does as a sport :)

But Ill stick to actual atheletes. Even though this guy is retired he is a class act among all sportsmen. David Robinson was my favorite player growin up.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/153/aafr015~David-Robinson-03-Trophy-Spurs-Photofile-Posters.jpg

Freedom
09-01-2008, 10:49 PM
Shaun Alexander!

mrDamien
09-02-2008, 12:03 AM
Dany Heatley the mighty 15 :twisted:.

http://www.criminalswanted.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/dany-heatley.jpg

Oui, c'est moi.
09-02-2008, 07:17 AM
Is snooker a sport? If so...

http://www.e-snooker.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ronnie2.jpg

Andres
09-02-2008, 07:23 AM
http://ibbab.free.fr/Joueurs/Pippen/images/pippen001_jpg.jpg

malakas
09-02-2008, 07:29 AM
Favourite active sportsman:
http://www.stincentra.gr/photos/Basket/DIAMANTIDIS4.jpg

hollywood9826
09-02-2008, 08:33 AM
^^^^

Who is that guy Malakas? Also are you looking forward to Josh Childress playin pro ball in greece?

malakas
09-02-2008, 08:54 AM
^^^^

Who is that guy Malakas? Also are you looking forward to Josh Childress playin pro ball in greece?

he's 4-time Euroleague Defensive player of the year(05-08 ),2007 Mr. Europa European Player of The Year,and Euroleague 2007 Final Four MVP D.Diamantidis.
Yes,I'm very excited.But I don't think he will adapt very well,it usually takes 2 years to adapt from the show of the NBA to the more defensive-oriented strategic european game.I am a huge PAO fan,so he will play for our archrivals.We will surely make him feel..."welcomed" :twisted:

this is from last years' final between Pao-and Childress new team : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0rMe2Vyb9E&feature=related

hollywood9826
09-02-2008, 09:04 AM
Thats cool they basketball seriously over there. I mean people must watch if they can pay him 20milion for 3 years.

I think josh will mesh into eurostyle quicker than you think. He is an all around player and for his size is pretty quick. If the coach uses him right he can essentially play four positions on the court, which will create all kinds of trouble for the opposition.

plus you cant beat the fro :)

http://www.nba.com/media/childress_300_080202.jpg

malakas
09-02-2008, 09:12 AM
Thats cool they basketball seriously over there. I mean people must watch if they can pay him 20milion for 3 years.

I think josh will mesh into eurostyle quicker than you think. He is an all around player and for his size is pretty quick. If the coach uses him right he can essentially play four positions on the court, which will create all kinds of trouble for the opposition.

plus you cant beat the fro :)

http://www.nba.com/media/childress_300_080202.jpg

No,I wish but not.The only championship that actually makes a profit is ACB(spanish). The only reason greek and russian teams can pay crazy crazy money it's because they are owned by billionaires lunatics.Each year they end up losing millions.The Russian championship is fueled by oil money,and the Greek by 2 billionaires families who see this as a way to show off and compete.But yes it's loved,though not to the point that it can justify such money.Anyway,expect for a Stern comedy expansion to western Europe in the following years,with franchice teams like London Towers and Berlin Sharks and French Croissants.Recipe for big failure.

Satch
09-02-2008, 09:29 AM
http://blog.theitalianhorse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/050105_schumacher_vsml_6pwidec.jpg http://www.mtsmondo.com/slike/vesti/000/559/v55942p1.jpg http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper320/stills/192t30m8.gif

and many others :)

SempreSami
09-02-2008, 10:29 AM
Is snooker a sport?

Of course it is! :D

hollywood9826
09-02-2008, 10:31 AM
Satch are you saying Vlade Divac was a good sportsmen or Peja?

Vlade was one of my faves growing up, but later on he kinda turned into a flopping whining little B.

And yes Schumacher was the man

SempreSami
09-02-2008, 10:34 AM
I used to love the battles between Damon Hill and Schumacher.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/239650837_1e6d23ed4b.jpg
Damon was robbed!

crazytennis
09-02-2008, 11:07 AM
http://www.zcars.com.au/images/michael-schumacher11.jpg
http://www.scenta.co.uk/_db/_images/Matthew_Hoggard_square.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40906000/jpg/_40906067_lampard_terry203x270.jpg
http://www.ittf.com/stories/pictures/malin_01_11_06_large.jpg

crazytennis
09-02-2008, 11:09 AM
Yeah, Test Cricket really is the ultimate.

I love the 5 days it takes to build up. ODI's are ok but they are just over so quick, by the time you start to get into it, it's finished and you have to wait around 3-4 days for another to come round.


I love test cricket. One day for me doesn't include enough strategy and people generally get away with bad cricket easily.

crazytennis
09-02-2008, 11:12 AM
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/74800/74815.jpg
Up - Favourite cricketer of all time. Sadly, no one seems to be able to replace him. :(

http://img.skysports.com/07/10/218x298/Lance_Klusener_590483.jpg

SempreSami
09-02-2008, 11:22 AM
I love test cricket. One day for me doesn't include enough strategy and people generally get away with bad cricket easily.

I know, look at the Twenty20 Cup final, Middlesex were doing a bit crap until Owais Shah with his one eyebrow and one cricketing stroke managed 70+ runs just twatting the ball to cow corner.

crazytennis
09-02-2008, 11:25 AM
I know, look at the Twenty20 Cup final, Middlesex were doing a bit crap until Owais Shah with his one eyebrow and one cricketing stroke managed 70+ runs just twatting the ball to cow corner.

haha. I didn't watch the final but that sounds pretty normal for a 20-20 game.
Also, isn't that Geraint Jones on your profile pic ?

Satch
09-02-2008, 11:42 AM
Satch are you saying Vlade Divac was a good sportsmen or Peja?

Vlade was one of my faves growing up, but later on he kinda turned into a flopping whining little B.

And yes Schumacher was the man

both are my favorite... but if i have to pick one then Vlade. :)

SempreSami
09-02-2008, 12:24 PM
haha. I didn't watch the final but that sounds pretty normal for a 20-20 game.
Also, isn't that Geraint Jones on your profile pic ?

Sure is :D

Jonesy >>>> Tim Ambrose

crazytennis
09-02-2008, 12:47 PM
Sure is :D

Jonesy >>>> Tim Ambrose

I think both Jonesy and Ambrose were chosen for their batting over their keeping but after Jones' hundred in the Windies, his batting started to drop and England opted for Ambrose.

If it was only for keeping, I'd go with Jamie Foster or Chris Read over both Ambrose and Jones.

SempreSami
09-02-2008, 01:05 PM
No fair re Jonesy! He's the only England keeper of recent times that still has hair on his head.

Foster is rather good, was impressed by his stumping ability when I've seen him.

Feņa14
09-02-2008, 05:18 PM
Always been a Read fan myself, he's long been regarded as the best gloveman but his batting isn't as good as some of the other keepers up for the job.

However, with Broad's ability with the bat I think you can get away with playing Read.

crazytennis
09-02-2008, 05:32 PM
Always been a Read fan myself, he's long been regarded as the best gloveman but his batting isn't as good as some of the other keepers up for the job.

However, with Broad's ability with the bat I think you can get away with playing Read.

But they're now playing the other spinner, what's his name ? Samit ? with him in ODI and Monty in tests, I don't think England can afford a pure glovesman. England dropping Read and Hoggard has to be 2 of the worst drops ever.
They have to sort this thing out. The keeper situation has been messed up ever since Stewart retired.

Feņa14
09-02-2008, 05:44 PM
But they're now playing the other spinner, what's his name ? Samit ? with him in ODI and Monty in tests, I don't think England can afford a pure glovesman. England dropping Read and Hoggard has to be 2 of the worst drops ever.
They have to sort this thing out. The keeper situation has been messed up ever since Stewart retired.

It has yeah. Patel is really good, i think he averages over 45 with the bat so I like him and Prior being in the ODI team.

For tests though, i'd have Flintoff 6, Broad 7, Read 8.. I think that would work out quite well.

SempreSami
09-03-2008, 03:03 AM
I don't like that Patel, if they're only going to pick one large fellow why not Rob Key? :angry:

This thread needs more Monty:
http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6058686,00.jpg

westside
09-03-2008, 03:43 AM
Paul Pierce
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh290/allen43/Pierce_MVP.jpg

Ricky Ponting
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh290/allen43/56060643.jpg

Paul Medhurst
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh290/allen43/collMedhurst_gallery__284x400.jpg

Moz
09-03-2008, 03:48 AM
Rob Key - Kent CCC captain, should be playing for England. Sadly the ECB seem to have it in for Kent at the moment so I would be surprised if he ever gets a recall let alone another Kent player being picked.
http://shinymedia.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/21/key300.jpg

Is that a bad angle or is he really as fat as that?

SempreSami
09-03-2008, 03:49 AM
What's wrong if Rob Key is a ruddy-faced barrel of a man?

Moz
09-03-2008, 03:51 AM
What's wrong if Rob Key is a ruddy-faced barrel of a man?

Nothing at all - somebody has to keep Ginsters in business.

I was just curious if the picture was doing him justice. Is he quick between the stumps or does he just hit boundaries all the time?

SempreSami
09-03-2008, 03:55 AM
He's alright at running, but his strengths are his strokemaking, which makes for a good opening pair, him and Joe Denly. Also a brilliant captain, very level headed.

Nuke
09-03-2008, 04:32 AM
Katerina Witt
http://hottiesincleats.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/katarina_witt.jpg

BestLefty UK
09-03-2008, 04:53 AM
Usain Bolt
Chris Paul
Kelly Holmes
Kolo Toure
Eduardo

Feņa14
09-03-2008, 11:51 AM
I don't think Key will ever play for England again.

Can you imagine him with his big personality and background as a captain working in the same side as Pietersen? lol.

malakas
09-03-2008, 12:32 PM
and many others :)

awwww not this?

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/12295/a80d1475-f44a-4f94-ba9d-16c1583b9b76/b43/rglang/en-US/filename/a80.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/notworthy.gif

Heavy Metal Tennis Star
09-03-2008, 12:45 PM
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii56/luvdalejr88amp/DaleSr3.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k127/thedudensmoke20/tony_stewart.jpg

SempreSami
09-03-2008, 12:57 PM
I don't think Key will ever play for England again.

Can you imagine him with his big personality and background as a captain working in the same side as Pietersen? lol.

Pietersen's a pillock who's out for only himself and the Ashes under him will end with the same results as when Flintoff was picked over Strauss as captain.

And Key's a better opener than Strauss/Cook.

ClubHoUno
09-03-2008, 05:04 PM
Sergio Garcia

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/pgatour/2008/tournaments/r011/05/11/garcia_ross/garcia_ross.jpg

Tiger Woods

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o267/mwzadotcom/TigerWoods.jpg

pabletion
09-03-2008, 08:47 PM
http://wallpaper.bordelik.com/sport/michael_jordan.jpg

No other alike............

tennisdude42
09-06-2008, 10:12 PM
stefanie rice cuz shes hot

Magix
09-10-2008, 09:49 PM
stefanie rice cuz shes hot
I'm with you on that one. :wink:

I think Liu Xiang and Scott Prince (Aussie Rugby League) are pretty damn awesome.

Dino Lagaffe
09-11-2008, 12:59 AM
http://www.sportsocracy.org/imgs/p1_bettis2.jpg
Jerome Bettis is one of many athletes from the past that I admire.
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/nicklas-lidstrom.jpg
Nicklas Lidstrom is one of many active athletes that I admire.

Dino Lagaffe
09-11-2008, 02:02 AM
http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/christinearron.jpg
As for women, Christine Arron is a favorite. I just wish she would have had a better run in Beijing.
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Semi+Final+USA+v+Brazil+Women+World+Cup+2007+IKl4V 5AshYFl.jpg
Another one is Marta, a very skilled soccer player.

Dilettante
09-11-2008, 09:12 AM
Muhammad Ali, because the way he boxed in the 60's, his ambition in the 70's:

http://www.clubdeboxeotko.es/images/MUHAMMAD-ALI_88__F-300.305_20.jpg

Diego Armando Maradona, because for me he was the best football player ever:

http://www.zapapedia.com/wp-content/2008/05/legende-maradona.jpg

"Bobby" Fischer, self-explanatory for anyone who likes chess:

http://celebritydeath.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/bobby-fischer.jpeg

ChipNCharge
09-11-2008, 11:24 AM
http://ibbab.free.fr/Joueurs/Pippen/images/pippen001_jpg.jpg

Isn't #18 for the Bulls the guy that changed his name (Brian Williams?) and wound up missing after a fishing trip or something like that?

EDIT: Yep, that's him (Bison Dele) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_Dele

hb_hound
09-11-2008, 11:44 AM
Dany Heatley the mighty 15 :twisted:.
http://www.criminalswanted.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/dany-heatley.jpg

Just don't ride shotgun with him

mrDamien
09-11-2008, 08:14 PM
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/nicklas-lidstrom.jpg
Nicklas Lidstrom is one of many active athletes that I admire.

Oh c'mon, are you kidding me :confused:.

Hot Sauce
09-11-2008, 08:26 PM
The Last Emperor

Fedor Emelianenko

Hot Sauce
09-11-2008, 08:27 PM
Muhammad Ali, because the way he boxed in the 60's, his ambition in the 70's:

http://www.clubdeboxeotko.es/images/MUHAMMAD-ALI_88__F-300.305_20.jpg


This thread is for people outside of tennis, what's Tsonga doing up there? :p

tbini87
09-11-2008, 08:31 PM
i would probably have to say Tiger. just an incredible athlete. possibly the most clutch athlete to ever live. the most dominating athlete to ever live. won a slam this year on a knee that needed surgery. he is a fighter and a winner. and he does it with class. that is the best part.

Feņa14
09-11-2008, 09:56 PM
Pietersen's a pillock who's out for only himself and the Ashes under him will end with the same results as when Flintoff was picked over Strauss as captain.

And Key's a better opener than Strauss/Cook.

I'm not so sure, I think he'll do a good job. Players seem to want to play for him and raise their game so for the time being, i'm happy.

As for Key.. I think he is better than Strauss for sure. I like Cook though, he's still really young and his record is fantastic, it seems like he makes a half century every other innings so he gets us off to a good start. Strauss has to go though.. would be great if Trescothick would come back but yeah, Key or Denly with Cook would be what i'd lke to see.

SempreSami
09-12-2008, 05:08 AM
Trescothick left a big gaping hole in the opening position, it's a shame but given his having anxiety attacks since he was 10, fair play to him. I'm glad he's hit some good form recently (two Pro40 centuries last month for Somerset) though.

Nuke
09-12-2008, 06:03 AM
"Bobby" Fischer, self-explanatory for anyone who likes chess:
http://celebritydeath.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/bobby-fischer.jpeg
You consider chess a sport?

Andres
09-12-2008, 06:11 AM
Isn't #18 for the Bulls the guy that changed his name (Brian Williams?) and wound up missing after a fishing trip or something like that?

EDIT: Yep, that's him (Bison Dele) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_Dele
LOL!! That's him!!

Edit: Oh, you edited your post as well :p

Dino Lagaffe
09-12-2008, 10:13 AM
Oh c'mon, are you kidding me :confused:.
N o p e :)

Satch
09-12-2008, 10:32 AM
awwww not this?

http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/12295/a80d1475-f44a-4f94-ba9d-16c1583b9b76/b43/rglang/en-US/filename/a80.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/notworthy.gif

how could i forgot Dejan :D

also this man
http://www.sepk.gr/portal2/images/stories/sepk_photos/photos_for_news/2008/2008_02/obradovic.jpg

malakas
09-14-2008, 09:40 PM
how could i forgot Dejan

also this man
http://www.sepk.gr/portal2/images/stories/sepk_photos/photos_for_news/2008/2008_02/obradovic.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/hearts.gif http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/notworthy.gif

that's it!You're officially my favourite poster!http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/hug.gif

do you think he will ever again coach serbian NT??I fear this year will be his last in PAO. :_-(

Polaris
09-14-2008, 11:37 PM
Mark Waugh
Courtney Walsh
Rahul Dravid
Tim Duncan

lovecr717
09-15-2008, 04:59 AM
cristiano ronaldo
michael phelps

and the whole man utd team i guess:)

SempreSami
09-16-2008, 06:08 AM
Even John O'Shea?

Satch
09-16-2008, 06:36 AM
[IMG]
do you think he will ever again coach serbian NT??I fear this year will be his last in PAO. :_-(

haha thanks, i hope you are a girl j/k :D :twisted:

After the debacle in 2005 with Serbian NT (the same championship where your counry won :D ) i think that all hopes that he will ever be the coach again have fallen...
Serbia have great players but a lot of them just don't care for NT, like Stojakovic, or even Jaric... but i think that with Ivkovic Serbia is still strong.

gj011
09-16-2008, 07:17 AM
how could i forgot Dejan :D

also this man
http://www.sepk.gr/portal2/images/stories/sepk_photos/photos_for_news/2008/2008_02/obradovic.jpg

Thank god that this psychopath will never coach Serbian NT again. He is the main reason for big and fast downfall of Serbian basketball. From European Champion in 2001 and World Champion in 2002 to 11th spots in OG and EC in2004 and 2005.

lolza
09-16-2008, 11:26 PM
UFC fighters Brandon Vera and George St.Pierre

malakas
09-17-2008, 12:35 PM
Thank god that this psychopath will never coach Serbian NT again. He is the main reason for big and fast downfall of Serbian basketball. From European Champion in 2001 and World Champion in 2002 to 11th spots in OG and EC in2004 and 2005.

Please..psychopath??!!??!
As Satch said don't blame the coach for the big names not giving a ***** for the NT,and have to play with.. Teodosic!:-?
He's the most succesful coach of Europe coaching the best european team right now and has the titles to prove it.6 Champions cups.He has won the WC both as a player and as a coach.Who else there is who has such a resume?

I think he's a real genius,can't believe that he's blamed for Serbia's unfortunate results.:(
I wish he could coach greek NT,but no chance for it.

gj011
09-17-2008, 01:57 PM
Please..psychopath??!!??!
As Satch said don't blame the coach for the big names not giving a ***** for the NT,and have to play with.. Teodosic!:-?
He's the most succesful coach of Europe coaching the best european team right now and has the titles to prove it.6 Champions cups.He has won the WC both as a player and as a coach.Who else there is who has such a resume?

I think he's a real genius,can't believe that he's blamed for Serbia's unfortunate results.:(
I wish he could coach Greek NT,but no chance for it.

Yes he is, both psychopath and guilty for debacles. You don't know the details about sad Obradovic episode with Serbian NT 2004-2005 and add Olympics 2000 for that matter (6th place). You didn't watch pathetic basketball Serbian team played with no plan, tactics or vision, only couple of years after we were world champions. He also needlessly abused players all the time.
He had players, but he was just a nut case on the bench. Bodiroga played both tournaments, also several others from the NBA or top European teams, Stojakovic wanted to play but the "holier than thou" Obradovic would not let him, and so on, and so on. And at the end he blatantly blamed players for everything, exposing his dirty laundry in the media.

I know he has almost god status in Greece, but that is not the whole truth. He might be a good club coach when he is a dictator allowed to do anything he wants, like in Pao, but as a NT coach he failed miserably. Also all Serbian medals from the 90s were more Ivkovic's doing than Obradovic's and also result of an extraordinary generation of players.

He can stay in Greece and never return to Serbia as far as I am concerned.

gj011
09-17-2008, 02:10 PM
But, on the other hand, Bodiroga http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/notworthy.gif http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/notworthy.gif http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/notworthy.gif http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/notworthy.gif

Josherer
09-17-2008, 09:27 PM
Valentino Rossi! Moto GP
Mark Webber! F1
Sebastian Vettel! F1
Nicky Hayden! Moto GP
Casey Stoner! Moto Gp

malakas
09-18-2008, 02:06 AM
Yes he is, both psychopath and guilty for debacles. You don't know the details about sad Obradovic episode with Serbian NT 2004-2005 and add Olympics 2000 for that matter (6th place). You didn't watch pathetic basketball Serbian team played with no plan, tactics or vision, only couple of years after we were world champions. He also needlessly abused players all the time.
He had players, but he was just a nut case on the bench. Bodiroga played both tournaments, also several others from the NBA or top European teams, Stojakovic wanted to play but the "holier than thou" Obradovic would not let him, and so on, and so on. And at the end he blatantly blamed players for everything, exposing his dirty laundry in the media.

I know he has almost god status in Greece, but that is not the whole truth. He might be a good club coach when he is a dictator allowed to do anything he wants, like in Pao, but as a NT coach he failed miserably. Also all Serbian medals from the 90s were more Ivkovic's doing than Obradovic's and also result of an extraordinary generation of players.

He can stay in Greece and never return to Serbia as far as I am concerned.

but every coach needs to have the freedom to organise the team,as he wants and not be influenced by divas,or politics,for the results to come.:/ I may love and admire Zeliko(btw is it Zelimir or Zeliko or is it the same name?I always get confused :p ) but I'm not fanatic or blind,and if you care to give me some more info about that sad inciddent you mention I would much appreciate it .. I hope he will stay in PAO but I somehow doubt it now with the paranoic billions Oly spends the pressure is huge to win Euroleague or the national titles,and shall he fail,the management will start interfering alot which I know he hates.
btw,Serbia sweeps almost every year the european and world championships in u21,u18 and u16 categories so 1 or 2 from those young talents to make it,and the future will be bright again.:)

Dejan,he's the only reason I cheer for Roma.:)