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s2000red
09-11-2008, 07:38 AM
Do you guys use a different string for doubles than singles?

I play with an APD with a hybrid of Blue Gear and Big Ace @60. 1HFH with moderate topspin, 2HBH. Topspin, kick, and slice serves. Not a string breaker, and string my own racquects. In singles, I normally play baseline and take full cuts at the ball.
However, in doubles, this rarely gets to happen. Most of my hits are just 1/4 swings or volleys and I feel like the ball is just a sitting duck. I'd like the ball to have a "sense of urgency" about it instead of just going over the net and hanging out to see what the other side is doing. Now, granted my technique needs drastic improvement but would I benefit from changing strings?
Would a change of string type, tension help, or am I just asking for too much?

Thanks.

hoodjem
09-11-2008, 07:46 AM
When I play doubles I spend roughly half my time at net, so I need a soft set of strings with excellent feel and great touch.

Definitely not the same if one is a baseline singles player. Just think about where you are and what you spend a lot of your time doing when you play doubles versus singles. (What makes a good volley string? Does spin matter when volleying? Do you want to punch the ball or carry it?)

Try to choose strings that will enhance this (whatever) type of play.

Noisy Ninja
09-11-2008, 07:47 AM
Yes, I have different setups for singles and doubles.

Singles: Full setup
PS Big Ace Micro
or
Topspin Cyber Blue 1.20


Doubles: Full setup of Yonex 850 Pro
or
Hybrid of PS Maxim Touch/PS Big Ace 1.22

nickb
09-11-2008, 07:51 AM
Work on your technique and leave the string. I serve and volley 100% of serves in doubles and come in off the return. I use full poly and have no issues with touch/feel. Changing strings just adds more confusion.

Nick

SlapShot
09-11-2008, 08:32 AM
Work on your technique and leave the string. I serve and volley 100% of serves in doubles and come in off the return. I use full poly and have no issues with touch/feel. Changing strings just adds more confusion.

Nick

I'm in this camp. I can play strong singles and dubs without needing to change strings - you have to serve and return in both singles and doubles, and if I make a drastic string change, those are the first things that need to be dialed in again due to the change. Too much trouble for me.

Noisy Ninja
09-11-2008, 09:51 AM
I'm in this camp. I can play strong singles and dubs without needing to change strings - you have to serve and return in both singles and doubles, and if I make a drastic string change, those are the first things that need to be dialed in again due to the change. Too much trouble for me.

Although I don't discount that many people are fine playing both singles and doubles with the same setup...my experience is that it might not be "optimal". I play a lot of tourneys and most players I've come across typically have different setups for doubles versus singles. At the minimum...they will use the same strings but different tensions.
Competitive doubles is typically won or lost at the net and as such...you want a string that will provide a decisive advantage during net exchanges. I gotta agree with hoojem's view; a string that provides pocketing effect is so very effective in the forecourt. My analogy would be akin to comparing in-close fighting using a short sword versus an axe. The axe works fine but isn't optimal for the environmental constraints you're facing.
As much as I would like to maintain one string setup all the time...it's just not viable for success from my personal experience. Power and spin aren't crucial ingredients in doubles; precision (hit to the hole) and angles are the weapons of choice for many doubles specialists.

Il Mostro
09-11-2008, 10:09 AM
I drop down on tension for doubles with X-1 and use Xcel at lower tension (rather than Xcel Power) on my TF's. Did not realize that others follow the same formula.

McLovin
09-11-2008, 10:10 AM
Maybe you can justify it for yourselves, but I can tell you that, serving 30-all, down 4-5 in a 3rd set, there is no f'n way I would want any doubt in my head as to whether this serve will go in or not. And changing strings (even tension) between singles & doubles would certainly inject a bit of doubt.

Maybe I'm just a head case...

nickb
09-11-2008, 10:33 AM
Although I don't discount that many people are fine playing both singles and doubles with the same setup...my experience is that it might not be "optimal". I play a lot of tourneys and most players I've come across typically have different setups for doubles versus singles. At the minimum...they will use the same strings but different tensions.
Competitive doubles is typically won or lost at the net and as such...you want a string that will provide a decisive advantage during net exchanges. I gotta agree with hoojem's view; a string that provides pocketing effect is so very effective in the forecourt. My analogy would be akin to comparing in-close fighting using a short sword versus an axe. The axe works fine but isn't optimal for the environmental constraints you're facing.
As much as I would like to maintain one string setup all the time...it's just not viable for success from my personal experience. Power and spin aren't crucial ingredients in doubles; precision (hit to the hole) and angles are the weapons of choice for many doubles specialists.

I dont know 1 single player that changes strings/tension for doubles/singles. Not 1. Must be US thing?

I know for a fact all the 4.5 + players I know would just laugh at me if I tryed to get them to do this...

ClayisFun
09-11-2008, 10:36 AM
I agree, why change your strings for doubles? You groove your strokes for one type of string and tension (or you should), and your strokes shouldn't change for doubles; so, changing strings will only hurt you.

If you can't volley with your current strings, rather than change, just go practice until you're comfortable.

SlapShot
09-11-2008, 11:01 AM
Maybe you can justify it for yourselves, but I can tell you that, serving 30-all, down 4-5 in a 3rd set, there is no f'n way I would want any doubt in my head as to whether this serve will go in or not. And changing strings (even tension) between singles & doubles would certainly inject a bit of doubt.

Maybe I'm just a head case...

I don't think that you're a head case. I live and die by my serve, and if I'm missing, it can be a tough hold. When I'm grooving with my frame, I don't want to do a thing to change it.

Fedace
09-11-2008, 11:03 AM
Yes, I have different setups for singles and doubles.

Singles: Full setup
PS Big Ace Micro
or
Topspin Cyber Blue 1.20


Doubles: Full setup of Yonex 850 Pro
or
Hybrid of PS Maxim Touch/PS Big Ace 1.22

I definitely agree. in doubles, it is very difficult to get away with full poly job due to lack of touch. Volleying is so important in advanced doubles, even if you stay back on some of your serves.

SlapShot
09-11-2008, 11:15 AM
I definitely agree. in doubles, it is very difficult to get away with full poly job due to lack of touch. Volleying is so important in advanced doubles, even if you stay back on some of your serves.

I guess that's where we disagree, because I have never felt that a string job made me better at any particular thing. If I'm not sticking volleys, it's because my feet are slow or I'm trying to do too much.

nickb
09-11-2008, 11:20 AM
I definitely agree. in doubles, it is very difficult to get away with full poly job due to lack of touch. Volleying is so important in advanced doubles, even if you stay back on some of your serves.

Look at some of the pro doubles players...many are using poly even full luxilon string jobs. Its all about technique, talent and the players own "feel"...I volley the same with full gut and full poly.

Gus
09-11-2008, 12:08 PM
OP, I wouldn't change strings. While it's true you're almost certainly going to volley more in doubles (especially since you're a self described baseliner), IMO the serve and return are probably more critical to doubles succes at club level. For those you need to be dialed in and swing with confidence- changing strings a definite negative for that.

Valjean
09-11-2008, 12:14 PM
You really think the serve and service return are hit no differently in doubles, do you too? Where exactly do you get that from? Is it just because the server and returner stand in similar places and close in?

Nellie
09-11-2008, 12:19 PM
Doubles is about power! Drop that tension and stop hitting those top spin shots.

Fedace
09-11-2008, 12:38 PM
You really think the serve and service return are hit no differently in doubles, do you too? Where exactly do you get that from? Is it just because the server and returner stand in similar places?

It really doesn't have much to do with serve or return. It mainly has to do with Volleying. with poly, it just seem to be more diffiucult to hit precise volleys, NOT so much stick--i am not talking about that. You can put more stick on it by giving it a more UMPPPPP, so to speak. but precise volleys that are acutely angled and or very deep right in the corner,, seem to be much easier with Hybrid jobs.

SlapShot
09-11-2008, 12:38 PM
You really think the serve and service return are hit no differently in doubles, do you too? Where exactly do you get that from? Is it just because the server and returner stand in similar places?

Location-wise, they are different, but execution-wise, they are similar enough that a drastic change in string could throw my serve and return off enough to cost at least a few points, and I don't want to be in a situation where I'm giving away points.

nickb
09-11-2008, 02:22 PM
Doubles is about power! Drop that tension and stop hitting those top spin shots.

Not really. Doubles is about making first serves, placement and solid volleys.

rasajadad
09-12-2008, 09:26 AM
I not only use different string, I use a different racquet! (PK Redondo mid for sgls, and MP for doubles.) Doubles to me is a whole different set of strokes and strategies from my singles that I can easily believe in a different string type.