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Rickson
09-17-2008, 04:49 PM
I've been measuring my calories since Monday and I found that I was previously taking in around 4500 calories per day. Well, I've cut back to 2800 calories and I'm so hungry! Yes, 2800 is more than enough for the average man, but I'm pretty active with a good deal of muscle mass so it is a deficit for me. I need to drop some bodyfat and excess water, but I need to control this hunger! Day 3 and I almost want to give up! Give me some encouragement, TW posters!

Kenny022593
09-17-2008, 05:03 PM
Didn't you tell me in a previous post of mine that you were a personal trainer? doesn't that mean that you work out a decent ammount so you need the extra calories? Oh and by the way when i was dieting i always chewed gum to get rid of hunger it helped out alot just get double bubble and bring around aton of pieces with you if you like flavor in your gum haha

Rickson
09-17-2008, 05:28 PM
I was a personal trainer, but I don't work out a great deal. I do dips and pullups around twice a week at the park and I ride a bike about 30 minutes a day, 5 times a week. I get plenty of upper and lower body right there. Do I expend more calories than the average person? Probably. Do I need to take in 4500 calories a day? Definitely not.

ThA_Azn_DeViL
09-17-2008, 05:30 PM
that sucks bro, i eat what i want and i still cant get phat, give me some encouragement to eat more junk food!

AznRamenDude
09-17-2008, 05:33 PM
that sucks bro, i eat what i want and i still cant get phat, give me some encouragement to eat more junk food!

Same here. The curse of the azn matabilism :( Personally, i would be happy to gain 10 pounds in a week right now >_>

I went from 107 in Feb to 105 now in Sept. Take note that i'm a 16 year old male :oops:

Rickson
09-17-2008, 05:39 PM
TAD, I never said I couldn't eat more than the average person. If anything, my diet is more calorie dense than an average person's diet. The problem is that I'm used to taking in way too many calories and that's why I need to cut back.

El Diablo
09-17-2008, 06:37 PM
Please stop whining. You've turned your body into a ghoulish distortion with double the carbon footprint of most people, making you an environmental hazard as well, and now plead for sympathy so you can cut back to a calorie load that would keep two diabetics in good shape. How about a little humility?

Barricade V
09-17-2008, 06:59 PM
Please stop whining. You've turned your body into a ghoulish distortion with double the carbon footprint of most people, making you an environmental hazard as well, and now plead for sympathy so you can cut back to a calorie load that would keep two diabetics in good shape. How about a little humility?

wow what is your problem

Kenny022593
09-17-2008, 07:03 PM
he obviously has needs that need to be taken care of and he needs to stop worshiping "El Diablo"

Rickson
09-17-2008, 07:53 PM
wow what is your problem

That whiner has always been a hater. Don't worry about him, Barricade.

Hot Sauce
09-17-2008, 08:06 PM
I'll take some of those calories off ya, I'm trying to bulk.

pr0n8r
09-17-2008, 08:11 PM
Drink lots of water. Visualize your goal often. Keep lots of good low-calorie snacks around to give you a sense of satiety when you feel hungry. Split your meals up... half now, half later. Make this a lifestyle change... no exceptions for going out of town, visitors, holidays, etc. Commit to it.

Sometimes it's also important to notice the hunger and do nothing about it. Get more comfortable with that feeling, and learn to think about other things. Feeling a little hungry isn't the worst thing that you can feel. It's fine.

lawlitssoo1n
09-17-2008, 08:19 PM
LOL
this is ********, maybe ur not an avg man, ur beyond dat
hahahah
just drink 6 ox of water in the morning, eat when you are hungry, just don't eat any side meals, try to get away from all the fast food and junk food
this helps me in shape.

dcottrill
09-18-2008, 04:50 AM
I've been measuring my calories since Monday and I found that I was previously taking in around 4500 calories per day. Well, I've cut back to 2800 calories and I'm so hungry!

Just out of curiousity, as one who is also trying to shed a few pounds, how did you arrive at the 2800 cal/day figure?

fantom
09-18-2008, 05:16 AM
Rickson doesn't need any information on how to lose weight or how to cut the calories or how many calories to ingest each day. He knows more about that stuff than 99% of the posters here. What he needs is some motivation! Rickson, what's the part of your body that you're most wanting to change? Your muffin-top or your cankles? Both, by the way, are embarrasing for somebody who's not used to looking like you do.

SlapShot
09-18-2008, 06:49 AM
Just out of curiousity, as one who is also trying to shed a few pounds, how did you arrive at the 2800 cal/day figure?

This is an excellent calorie calculator, especially if you know your BF%:

http://www.phord.com/cc/

SteveI
09-18-2008, 07:35 AM
This is an excellent calorie calculator, especially if you know your BF%:

http://www.phord.com/cc/


Great Tool....Thanks

JRstriker12
09-18-2008, 07:41 AM
I've been measuring my calories since Monday and I found that I was previously taking in around 4500 calories per day. Well, I've cut back to 2800 calories and I'm so hungry! Yes, 2800 is more than enough for the average man, but I'm pretty active with a good deal of muscle mass so it is a deficit for me. I need to drop some bodyfat and excess water, but I need to control this hunger! Day 3 and I almost want to give up! Give me some encouragement, TW posters!

Diets suck, but keep with it man.
keep some healthy snacks around when you get hungry.

slkbassist
09-18-2008, 07:47 AM
Eat 5-6 small meals a day, but break down the foods by the calories you need.

I know you want to shed excess fluid, but you actually need to drink a lot of fluids. Most of the time we mistake our bodies need for fluids as a need for food. Water is key. Tisanes or herbal non caffinated teas will also work. Milk is good, and give a feeling of satisfaction due to minimal calories but with added protein and fat. Stay away from too much coffee,tea, or soda. They will dehydrate you and caffiene will speed up you metabolism. *But also remember too much water is bad too b/c you can decrease your nutrient/ion level.
As your body adjusts the extra water will equalize.

CGMemphis
09-18-2008, 08:03 AM
http://www.fitday.com

That site rocks!

Rickson, more water, your cells are holding water because they feel dehydrated and your body is "feeling" hungry because not only have you cut some calories, you have cut your sugar intake. Your brain is just sending the usual signals. You will get used to it and then your appetite will adjust and get fuller quicker.

Power Player
09-18-2008, 08:34 AM
How tall are you? 2800 Cals is a lot. I am 5'9 and 165, but really muscular. My bodyfat% is under 10 now. I eat 5-6 small meals a day and my metabolism is cranking. I eat under 2000 cals a day, probably around 1600 or so.

Eat every 2 hours and drink water.

40lovebaby
09-18-2008, 09:12 AM
Your body will get used to it - it's just complaining because it doesn't want to change!

You may know this, but in those 2800 calories, try to ensure that you are eating a lot of protein, and make sure your snacks are all high in fiber. The fiber slows down digestion which will mean you are less hungry, as well as your body getting a better shake at absorbing the good stuff you're eating, meaning less deficiencies.

A great snack for this is a cup of strawberries and cottage cheese. You get a sugar rush, fiber from the strawberries, and protein from the cottage cheese. These types of volume snacks with relatively low calories are key to me in dieting. I seek foods that give me nutrition that I can eat a lot of.

Another example is a spinach salad. You can basically eat a whole bag of spinach if you want. Eat as big a portion as you can with only 2tbls of dressing shaken to evenly coat. Sprinkle some almonds or brazil nuts on for even more protein.

It's these kind of snacks which will help you a lot more than sugary granola bars or some of these other "smart" snacks. Real food is important if you only get 2,800 - it means the 2,800 has to be good stuff.

Don't know if this helps - hope it did.

GPB
09-18-2008, 09:35 AM
Your body will get used to it - it's just complaining because it doesn't want to change!

You may know this, but in those 2800 calories, try to ensure that you are eating a lot of protein, and make sure your snacks are all high in fiber. The fiber slows down digestion which will mean you are less hungry, as well as your body getting a better shake at absorbing the good stuff you're eating, meaning less deficiencies.

A great snack for this is a cup of strawberries and cottage cheese. You get a sugar rush, fiber from the strawberries, and protein from the cottage cheese. These types of volume snacks with relatively low calories are key to me in dieting. I seek foods that give me nutrition that I can eat a lot of.

Another example is a spinach salad. You can basically eat a whole bag of spinach if you want. Eat as big a portion as you can with only 2tbls of dressing shaken to evenly coat. Sprinkle some almonds or brazil nuts on for even more protein.

It's these kind of snacks which will help you a lot more than sugary granola bars or some of these other "smart" snacks. Real food is important if you only get 2,800 - it means the 2,800 has to be good stuff.

Don't know if this helps - hope it did.

I hear a lot about cottage cheese... but I can't stand the stuff! Would yogurt be an acceptable alternate? What else? Thanks!

Rickson
09-18-2008, 10:10 AM
Thanks for the tips, everyone. As fantom said, I do know more about dieting than most people, but the problem was that I was previously in my bulking stage which can be hazardous to your health. As for cotrill's question, I estimate my calories on non labeled food and read the labels on the foods with them. My estimates are usually within 200 calories which is better than most people can estimate. If I find that my pants aren't getting looser after a week, I cut the calories by another 200 per day. I definitely don't go by the scale, I go by pants fit which is what most people should do. There was a time that I dropped 2 inches on my waist and my pants were falling off me, but I lost zero lbs. on the scale so as you can tell, the scale is one of the least accurate ways of measuring bodyfat loss.

This is my breakdown so far for the week:

Monday: 4000 KCal
Tuesday: 2700 KCal
Wednesday: 3500 KCal
Thursday: 1100 so far and counting

Ronaldo
09-18-2008, 10:14 AM
Didn't you tell me in a previous post of mine that you were a personal trainer? doesn't that mean that you work out a decent ammount so you need the extra calories? Oh and by the way when i was dieting i always chewed gum to get rid of hunger it helped out alot just get double bubble and bring around aton of pieces with you if you like flavor in your gum haha

Rickson doesn't chew gum. Rickson chews tin foil. Spaks fly any moment

dcottrill
09-18-2008, 11:02 AM
Rickson, what's the part of your body that you're most wanting to change? Your muffin-top or your cankles?

OMG!! I just spewed (Diet) Coke all over my desk!!!!

:):):):)

SlapShot
09-18-2008, 11:25 AM
So what do you all use as calorie rich foods? Since I've cut sugars out of my diet and dropped my intake of breads and pasta, I've had to eat like a horse to get 1800 calories per day. I eat a lot of meats, fruits, and veggies, along with drinking milk, but I still seem to average 1600 calories per day.

heycal
09-18-2008, 01:52 PM
I struggle with hunger everyday, Rickson, or at least hunger for the junky foods I so desperately want. I live for food. So I can relate.

But I also want to look good, so it's constant torturous struggle. I think the chewing gum advice is good, but here's something else I use for motivation:

I say something to myself like: "Would I rather eat that second jelly donut or would I rather be able to date attractive and/or young women?"

Whether it's accurate or not, I tend to think the more fit I am, the more women I can attract. So every donut lowers my value on the market.

Anyway, that's one thing that helps with my motivation, so give it a whirl...

Rickson
09-18-2008, 04:11 PM
Young, hot chicks are always a good motivation.

Ignorant Genius
09-18-2008, 08:42 PM
I

I say something to myself like: "Would I rather eat that second jelly donut or would I rather be able to date attractive and/or young women?"

Whether it's accurate or not, I tend to think the more fit I am, the more women I can attract. So every donut lowers my value on the market.



Life according to heycal -

It's all about the donuts. I don't eat extra donuts so I can get hot chicks.

That is deep, man.

heycal
09-18-2008, 08:51 PM
Life according to heycal -

It's all about the donuts. I don't eat extra donuts so I can get hot chicks.

That is deep, man.

That's not life according to Heycal, that's diet motivation according to heycal.

What are your deep philosophical musings on the weighty subject of calorie counting?

Ignorant Genius
09-18-2008, 09:16 PM
That's not life according to Heycal, that's diet motivation according to heycal.

What are your deep philosophical musings on the weighty subject of calorie counting?

Nothing too deep, really.

It's simple. Burn more calories than you take in. Sounds ridiculously simple, but that's the only way to lose weight.

My main motivation is that I feel better when my weight is where it's supposed to be. And I've gotten used to eating a relatively healthy diet. I've avoided eating fried foods for so long that now if I have some, I can't eat much of them because it doesn't taste that good to me. I would have trouble eating an entire donut because it would taste too sweet and sugary to me....and I also hate the sugar rush / crash feeling.

Eat a balanced diet, exercise 5x per week, don't over indulge in sweets, fried foods, junk food, etc. Don't just do cardio, lift some weights to build muscle mass.....it will help you burn calories more efficiently...and if you're a woman it can help prevent osteoporosis later in life.

That's about it.

heycal
09-18-2008, 09:56 PM
Nothing too deep, really.

It's simple. Burn more calories than you take in. Sounds ridiculously simple, but that's the only way to lose weight.

My main motivation is that I feel better when my weight is where it's supposed to be. And I've gotten used to eating a relatively healthy diet. I've avoided eating fried foods for so long that now if I have some, I can't eat much of them because it doesn't taste that good to me. I would have trouble eating an entire donut because it would taste too sweet and sugary to me....and I also hate the sugar rush / crash feeling.

Eat a balanced diet, exercise 5x per week, don't over indulge in sweets, fried foods, junk food, etc. Don't just do cardio, lift some weights to build muscle mass.....it will help you burn calories more efficiently...and if you're a woman it can help prevent osteoporosis later in life.

That's about it.

God, that was boring to read.

LazyAzN
09-18-2008, 10:19 PM
I use this calculator (http://www.build-muscle-and-burn-fat.com/calorie-calculator.html)

It helped figure out my body percentage and lean muscle mass (tape estimates of course). The site also helps give how much water you should be drinking a day. For me its ~2800mL, or 4 bottles of arrowhead water. When I started about a month ago, I weighed in at 153 lbs with a 34-35 inch waist, with about 19% of body fat (by using the calculator). Now I have about a 31.5 inch waist and 141 lbs and have 15% body fat.

I should be eating 2000-2100 calories a day, so my deficit is around 1500 calories. (of course kcals.)
Working my way down to 10% for the ladies ya know :)

Ignorant Genius
09-18-2008, 11:13 PM
God, that was boring to read.

Next time I'll put in more stuff about donuts and hot chicks.

Hot Sauce
09-18-2008, 11:17 PM
I use this calculator (http://www.build-muscle-and-burn-fat.com/calorie-calculator.html)

It helped figure out my body percentage and lean muscle mass (tape estimates of course). The site also helps give how much water you should be drinking a day. For me its ~2800mL, or 4 bottles of arrowhead water. When I started about a month ago, I weighed in at 153 lbs with a 34-35 inch waist, with about 19% of body fat (by using the calculator). Now I have about a 31.5 inch waist and 141 lbs and have 15% body fat.

I should be eating 2000-2100 calories a day, so my deficit is around 1500 calories. (of course kcals.)
Working my way down to 10% for the ladies ya know :)

Is this calculator proven to be accurate? I'm 10% BF according to it.

onehandbh
09-19-2008, 12:28 AM
How tall are you? 2800 Cals is a lot. I am 5'9 and 165, but really muscular. My bodyfat% is under 10 now. I eat 5-6 small meals a day and my metabolism is cranking. I eat under 2000 cals a day, probably around 1600 or so.

Eat every 2 hours and drink water.

You only eat 1600 per day? Wow. That is really low. If you eat 5 -6 meals
a day that means each meal is like 250 - 320 calories each. Those are
pretty small meals. How do you keep from being hungry? I think I eat
about twice as many calories as you, and can barely maintain my weight.

Rickson
09-19-2008, 12:57 AM
Remember, I said that I estimate within 200 KCal and that it's better than most people's estimates. That means that PP is definitely underestimating his calories. Most people are off by 500 or more so his calorie count is more likely to be 2100-2600 than 1600.

onehandbh
09-19-2008, 01:12 AM
Remember, I said that I estimate within 200 KCal and that it's better than most people's estimates. That means that PP is definitely underestimating his calories. Most people are off by 500 or more so his calorie count is more likely to be 2100-2600 than 1600.

Good pt. I may also be overestimating or be off in my own estimates as well.
I eat fairly healthy, but I just eat larger portions and basically eat whenever
I am hungry, which unfortunately is throughout the day.

LazyAzN
09-19-2008, 01:47 AM
Is this calculator proven to be accurate? I'm 10% BF according to it.

What did the one SlapShot posted say?

Hot Sauce
09-19-2008, 02:00 AM
What did the one SlapShot posted say?

On his link, I couldn't find a BF% calculator, but the caloric intake, etc was consistent with the link you provided.

Kevin T
09-19-2008, 09:25 AM
Don't worry Rickson, I almost have the money together to get my Mexican weight loss center up and running (can't get approval in the USA-that darn FDA). We stick you in a giant room where the entire floor is a giant treadmill, so you'll constantly move. Then we feed you a strict diet of water, green vegetables, diuretics and laxatives...day and night, night and day. Only $2000/week and I GUARANTEE RESULTS!!!

Rickson
09-19-2008, 10:58 AM
Kevin, as tempting as your clinic sounds, I'll pass because I'd rather spend 2 Gs in Montreal.

LazyAzN
09-19-2008, 06:39 PM
On his link, I couldn't find a BF% calculator, but the caloric intake, etc was consistent with the link you provided.

You should be able to find the BF% by the fat mass divided by the lean muscle mass.

Hot Sauce
09-19-2008, 09:08 PM
Kevin, as tempting as your clinic sounds, I'll pass because I'd rather spend 2 Gs in Montreal.

Rickson, you ARE a G (star).

sn1974
09-20-2008, 03:13 AM
find filling foods that are low in calories.

vegetables. get used to eating an extra portion/cup/big bowl of veggies with every meal. this will make a huge difference in terms of feeling satisfied. even if it's a can of green beans.

whole grains. oatmeal (which you may call porridge depending where you're from) is fabulous bang for buck. not just the boring kind but the pre-flavored packs you add hot water to. i eat these whenever i feel hungry between meals, and they have like 120 calories in them (and are pretty good for you, too).

and, strangely enough, i find eating some fatty foods to be a good tactic, since i feel like i've actually eaten. a current favorite in our house is salad greens with smoked salmon and a sliced, boiled egg with olive oil. weird i know but somehow it totally hits the spot.

btw, if no one suggested, try fitday dot com, you can track your calories there.

J011yroger
09-20-2008, 04:05 AM
I hope you put in some calories this morning.

You are going to need them at the Jolliteri Academy.

J

zacinnc78
09-20-2008, 04:56 AM
that sucks bro, i eat what i want and i still cant get phat, give me some encouragement to eat more junk food!

i hate "you people"lol jk.....i can gain weight way too easy

CanadianChic
09-20-2008, 08:11 PM
Ricky, 2800 calories a day and you are still finding yourself hungry? My suggestion for a daily diet is as follows:

Breakfast:

3 eggs (any style)
2 cups instant unsalted oatmeal
1/2 cup frozen (or fresh) blueberries
1 cup unsweetened orange juice


Morning Snack:

2 cups low fat vanilla yogurt
1 medium apple


Lunch:

1 whole wheat bagel
1 medium tomato
3 slices lean turkey bacon
2 tbsp. fat free mayo

Salad:

4 cups iceberg lettuce
1 carrot
1/2 cup green pepper
1/2 cup bean sprouts
1 tomato
1/2 cup snow peas
1/4 cup lemon juice

2 cups unsalted tomato juice

Afternoon Snack:

1 Heart Healthy fat free tortilla
1/2 can unsalted canned tuna (packed in water)
1 cup iceberg lettuce
Diced green onion to taste
2 tbsp fat free mayo


Dinner:

8 oz. boneless skinless chicken breast
2 cups brown rice (soy or tabasco to taste)
3 cups boiled asparagus

2 cups unsalted tomato juice


Dessert:

1/2 cup frozen mango sorbet


Evening Snack:

1/2 cup low fat unsalted cottage cheese
2 cups watermelon




The caloric count for this day's food is 2780 (given minimal marginal error). There is a lot of food here and if you are planning on working out more, just drink a protein shake for the extra energy.

Ronaldo
09-20-2008, 09:26 PM
Drink two cups of unsalted tomato juice with every meal.

With one or two shots of Stolichnaya? Bloody yeah

CanadianChic
09-20-2008, 09:49 PM
With one or two shots of Stolichnaya? Bloody yeah

Sorry, I posted, then left it and just came back to finish my thought.

Rickson, I will point out that I actually put time in typing this out for you. This is more than I give the average person in a day. Good luck with this.

Rickson
09-20-2008, 10:10 PM
Tomato juice? I was taking in celery with each meal for the fiber, but tomato juice? I don't get it.

CanadianChic
09-20-2008, 10:15 PM
Tomato juice? I was taking in celery with each meal for the fiber, but tomato juice? I don't get it.

Tomato juice is a healthy juice that is a natural filler. If you haven't ever tried this trust me and give it a go. Drink a couple cups with your next meal (not after but near the start). It absorbs the soft foods and fills you up faster - technically the healthy option of a yeast supplement which over time can damage the stomach lining. It is also very low in calories and cheap to purchase. An alternative to this would be milk, but since I incorporated a few dairy sources into the day, tomato juice is a better option. You can alternate the foods (and meat) through the week but I would advise keeping the breakfasts relatively similar. All the necessary food groups are covered as well as natural sources of vitamins and minerals.

You could toss some celery into the salad (alternating the veggies daily will help to alleviate boredom) and still maintain your fiber. It is not a filler though.

Rickson
09-20-2008, 10:26 PM
Good stuff, CC. I cheated big time this weekend as the Jo11yttieri Academy made me hungry. After Jo11y moved me around the court for an hour, I came back to the courts and bageled my good buddy, Raul. The ever selfish Raul ignored my pleas of hunger citing a dinner party for the evening so I couldn't eat until after 6 PM when he dropped me off in Queens, NY from Long Island even though I'd been on the court since 11 AM. I wound up ordering out and the extra sodium in that chicken gyro really left me dehydrated. I'll be preparing my own food again after that bad experience. No more take out for me.

CanadianChic
09-20-2008, 10:35 PM
Good stuff, CC. I cheated big time this weekend as the Jo11yttieri Academy made me hungry. After Jo11y moved me around the court for an hour, I came back to the courts and bageled my good buddy, Raul. The ever selfish Raul ignored my pleas of hunger citing a dinner party for the evening so I couldn't eat until after 6 PM when he dropped me off in Queens, NY from Long Island even though I'd been on the court since 11 AM. I wound up ordering out and the extra sodium in that chicken gyro really left me dehydrated. I'll be preparing my own food again after that bad experience. No more take out for me.

The most important thing is to remind yourself that you are human and you will fail. No one can be expected to never order from a restaurant menu or indulge in a piece of chocolate cake for the rest of their lives. I believe in moderation. Quit before you are full, make a plan and 'try' to stick with it. Buy your groceries every few days as opposed to a week in advance. Prepare your food in advance when possible so that if you feel drained you won't put off making a healthy pita sandwich or cutting the greens for a salad. One trick I have is to (as mentioned) buy my produce every couple days and prewash and cut it so that it takes minimum prep time. Have fun with spices and experiment. Drink lots of water but don't kick yourself if you drink a beer or a glass of chocolate milk.

You have a goal and you are working towards it. Once you reach that goal you can retain healthy eating habits but ease up a bit on the restraints. It takes time but I believe you are a determined enough person - take the quitting smoking for example. Try to not view this as a diet but as a healthy lifestyle choice. Personally I don't believe in 'diets'. They are a temporary fad if you will. You are in control of what you consume, but sometimes when your body is craving something, it's telling you that it needs it. Sugar, carbs, proteins, fats are all essential but it's the quantities that matter. It is very easy to plan meals and days in advance like I did for you. Just stick with a simple calorie counter and cut off here or add there until it fits. It's all about give and take. Besides, if you eat a few chocolate covered peanuts to take the edge off it's much better than forcing yourself to a point where you binge. Remember that you are worth it darnit! ;)

Edit: I added a couple thoughts into my post.

Rickson
09-20-2008, 10:41 PM
Thanks for the good words, CC. I'm gonna do those things, prepare early, stock up, and keep plenty of stuff on hand so I don't need to order from the phone. It's hard to believe that some healthy cardio led to unhealthy eating. Damn that selfish Raul! I'm glad I bageled him.

CanadianChic
09-20-2008, 10:43 PM
Not a problem...glad I could help.

CanadianChic
09-20-2008, 10:54 PM
I am off right away, but thought I would add that as a substitute for rice one day you could have a medium baked or boiled potato with a couple tablespoons of salsa for taste. Together they are only about 170-180 calories max. I find this site very easy to use. Just type the food in the search bar near the top and scroll down to find a suitable amount/type/etc. Click on the link and it gives you the full nutritional value of the item. The alphabetic rating signify the best choice (A+ being the best) and try to stay near the top of the list. The farther down you go you start to hit the fast food and processed options.

http://www.calorie-count.com/

malakas
09-21-2008, 12:04 PM
I am off right away, but thought I would add that as a substitute for rice one day you could have a medium baked or boiled potato with a couple tablespoons of salsa for taste. Together they are only about 170-180 calories max. I find this site very easy to use. Just type the food in the search bar near the top and scroll down to find a suitable amount/type/etc. Click on the link and it gives you the full nutritional value of the item. The alphabetic rating signify the best choice (A+ being the best) and try to stay near the top of the list. The farther down you go you start to hit the fast food and processed options.

http://www.calorie-count.com/

hey!!!are you a cc member???:D hahaha small world.:p

I swear by that site.It can give you nutritial analysis of your everyday diet.
Rickson,keep low your Glycemic Index that helps with hunger cravings a lot.After some days you won't have a problem at all with hunger.CC has said it all.:)

Ronaldo
09-21-2008, 01:18 PM
hey!!!are you a cc member???:D hahaha small world.:p

I swear by that site.It can give you nutritial analysis of your everyday diet.
Rickson,keep low your Glycemic Index that helps with hunger cravings a lot.After some days you won't have a problem at all with hunger.CC has said it all.:)

May wanna try baked sweet potatoes and brown rice to keep that glycemic value/sugar rush low. Or double yo pleasure w/Stoly, eh?

CanadianChic
09-21-2008, 07:22 PM
hey!!!are you a cc member???:D hahaha small world.:p



I tend to not sweat calories and carbs, etc., but more or less stick to what I know is healthy and good for me. I do go to that site when I need to look something up though. :)

May wanna try baked sweet potatoes and brown rice to keep that glycemic value/sugar rush low. Or double yo pleasure w/Stoly, eh?

Tsk, tsk, vodka is high in sugar, but I follow the reasoning that if you can see though it, it's not really there. ;)

Ronaldo
09-21-2008, 08:56 PM
I tend to not sweat calories and carbs, etc., but more or less stick to what I know is healthy and good for me. I do go to that site when I need to look something up though. :)



Tsk, tsk, vodka is high in sugar, but I follow the reasoning that if you can see though it, it's not really there. ;)

Understand, much prefer Sleeman's over any of these healthy carbs, eh?

halalula1234
09-22-2008, 05:37 PM
no diet is the best diet..eat everything in moderation and avoid eating lots of bad stuff....i have no diet and i exercise a lot..

that is all u have to do to be in shape and have muscles (not bodybuilder type)

heycal
09-22-2008, 06:40 PM
no diet is the best diet..eat everything in moderation and avoid eating lots of bad stuff....i have no diet and i exercise a lot..

that is all u have to do to be in shape and have muscles (not bodybuilder type)


And how old are? 22? 15?

Get back to us when you're older.

Leelord337
09-22-2008, 06:41 PM
I've been measuring my calories since Monday and I found that I was previously taking in around 4500 calories per day. Well, I've cut back to 2800 calories and I'm so hungry! Yes, 2800 is more than enough for the average man, but I'm pretty active with a good deal of muscle mass so it is a deficit for me. I need to drop some bodyfat and excess water, but I need to control this hunger! Day 3 and I almost want to give up! Give me some encouragement, TW posters!

lol, originally i thought u were gonna say the atkins diet it killing u as it literally will, :P. keep it up rickson! by the way i heard today that your body burns more calories digesting certain foods such as celery than the amount of calories they're worth. so start eating celery to subtract your caloric intake. :P

Rickson
09-22-2008, 07:38 PM
I sure will, Lee and check out post #52.

iphoneman
09-22-2008, 07:47 PM
just eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. for dinner eat a salad with light dressing and a fair portion of grilled chicken so you get your protein. add a side dish like corn on the cob or chickpeas.

Rickson
09-22-2008, 07:53 PM
Iphone, it sounds like you're a low carb kind of guy. I'm more of a calorie counter.

iphoneman
09-22-2008, 07:58 PM
i tend to not eat a lot of carbs but what i mainly do is eat the right foods. i dont believe in having a "junk" food in moderation. for example.. i dont put mayo on my subs because it is one of the fattiest foods in the world, so if you have a bit of it, it is still really fat. dont worry about the calories; look at phelps, he eats like 12000 calories a day. i understand that is because he burns just that much off, but if you are burning a lot off then dont worry about it. just make the healthy choices.

Leelord337
09-22-2008, 08:41 PM
I sure will, Lee and check out post #52.

and my doctor said to stay away from smoothie type foods where its easy for your body to digest because u won't feel full and ur body would burn less calories than it would say having a salad w/tomato or other fresh high fiber foods.

superman1
09-22-2008, 11:35 PM
Diet is really a woman's expertise. The training part I can do, but diet is just a horrible foggy maze and somehow women really seem to perfect it. I just can't have a schedule of things to eat and stick to. If I feel like having a big sandwich and the schedule says egg salad and a protein shake, I'm having the damn sandwich AND the protein shake. And a cookie. Chocolate chip.

Phil
09-23-2008, 09:00 AM
I've been measuring my calories since Monday and I found that I was previously taking in around 4500 calories per day. Well, I've cut back to 2800 calories and I'm so hungry! Yes, 2800 is more than enough for the average man, but I'm pretty active with a good deal of muscle mass so it is a deficit for me. I need to drop some bodyfat and excess water, but I need to control this hunger! Day 3 and I almost want to give up! Give me some encouragement, TW posters!
My man, Rickson. You're not gonna like what I have to say about this, but what I say is time-tested and proven.

First of all, "diets" don't work. You know that as well as anyone. That "calorie deficit" b.s. is just that: b.s. You should NEVER...NEVER have to go around that hungry. You should never feel that you're at a point where you have to eat food that is simply not fit for human consumption-e.g. COTTAGE CHEESE. You should be able to eat what you want, minus junk food.

What you need to do is forget about counting calories and definitely forget about this 2,800 cal. nonsense. I know from your previous posts here that you're fairly anti-aerobic exercise...but that's what you have to do. Since you're not on some meatheaded bodybuilding regimin, but want to lose fat and weight, you need to focus more...much more, on aerobics.

Do you wonder why Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories of carbs and junkfood and not show an ounce of fat? Because he trains like a beast. Of course no one who is not an Olympic athlete needs or should eat and train like that, but in principle what he's doing-but on a less-extreme scale-works for everyone.

In a nutshell, here is what you do:

--Six days of week of aerobics at a moderate to intense level for an hour each day.
--Weights-whatever you usually do-you know more about this then I do...or the pull-ups and dips that you like to do. That's fine-3 to 5 days a week.
-Diet - Three meals at normal times and a post-workout snack. Eat "clean" (you know the drill-fruits, vegatables, etc.). DO eat pasta. DO eat rice. DO eat potatos. DON'T gorge yourself on red meat.
-None of this "six meals a day" crap. BUT...a mid-morning snack or mid-day snack is fine...
-Cut out all sweets. I mean ALL. Fruit should be the only sugar you consume, and feel free to consume a lot of it.

I'm sure you've heard this all before. But I can tell you, if you actually FOLLOW this plan, you will never have to go on a diet and you will be light and fast on your feet and take off the weight quickly. You will take off all the weight you want to take off in 3 months or less.

Diets are for desperate women. Diets fail 95% of the time or more. It's all about LIFESTYLE. Behavioral change. Eat and train this way for the rest of your life. It's not for everyone. People who abhor the gym will not be able to follow this program, but for me, I would rather eat, and eat fairly large quanties of food, rather than sit around the table at Starbucks with the girls and moan about calorie deficits and how starved I am. To do that you have to hit the aerobics. I love to eat!

Rickson
09-23-2008, 01:46 PM
Phil, that's good advice for someone who lives to train, but I live to work and support myself. When I was at my leanest (single digit bf%), I was a college student and was supported by my parents. I hit the gym quite often and played basketball for hours. I had no worries about next month's rent or food on the table. I probably consumed even more calories back then (5-6000), but I was extremely lean due to all that running around. I don't have the time these days for endless basketball and hitting the gym so I could sculpture my already lean body from the b-ball. These days, I do what I can just to look decent and for my standards, I'm far from decent. I'd love to stop counting, but I fear my KCal count will go through the roof again if I don't count. I'll certainly try it your way for a couple of weeks. We'll play it by ear, Phil.

heycal
09-23-2008, 02:35 PM
There's nothing fancy you need to do, Rickson, and we both know it. A little more exercise, a bit less calories, and you lose a little weight. If you can't exercise that often, you can't eat as much. Nor can you eat as much as you used to as you age.

It's pretty simple stuff, and stuff you already know, and you weren't looking for diet advice anyway, you were looking for motivation, and I gave one motivation a couple of pages back.

Good luck. I'm trying to get fitter myself these days, so in a similar boat. We just can't eat as much as we want to, and that sucks.

Phil
09-23-2008, 07:24 PM
Phil, that's good advice for someone who lives to train, but I live to work and support myself. When I was at my leanest (single digit bf%), I was a college student and was supported by my parents. I hit the gym quite often and played basketball for hours. I had no worries about next month's rent or food on the table. I probably consumed even more calories back then (5-6000), but I was extremely lean due to all that running around. I don't have the time these days for endless basketball and hitting the gym so I could sculpture my already lean body from the b-ball. These days, I do what I can just to look decent and for my standards, I'm far from decent. I'd love to stop counting, but I fear my KCal count will go through the roof again if I don't count. I'll certainly try it your way for a couple of weeks. We'll play it by ear, Phil.
But I don't live to train either. Hell, if there was a "magic pill" that actually worked, I'd be first in line. You know the drill. It's not "endless"-it's around 90 minutes a day or less-and it doesn't have to be done at one time (though I have no time for "two-a-days", some people's schedules won't accomodate a 70 or 90-minute continuous workout).

Yeah, try it my way and stop counting calories. That doesn't mean you start piling in the junk. Do it my way for four to six weeks and if you do it right-and you know how to do that, as much as anyone-and you will take off the pounds you need to, without "starving".

iphoneman
09-23-2008, 07:52 PM
sounds like a good idea

Ronaldo
09-23-2008, 09:04 PM
Phil, that's good advice for someone who lives to train, but I live to work and support myself. When I was at my leanest (single digit bf%), I was a college student and was supported by my parents. I hit the gym quite often and played basketball for hours. I had no worries about next month's rent or food on the table. I probably consumed even more calories back then (5-6000), but I was extremely lean due to all that running around. I don't have the time these days for endless basketball and hitting the gym so I could sculpture my already lean body from the b-ball. These days, I do what I can just to look decent and for my standards, I'm far from decent. I'd love to stop counting, but I fear my KCal count will go through the roof again if I don't count. I'll certainly try it your way for a couple of weeks. We'll play it by ear, Phil.

Rickson, those days playing b-ball sounds like Ano's HIIT training to lose bodyfat. Interval training instead of long, slow, steady cardio.

Hot Sauce
09-23-2008, 09:22 PM
I thought eating more smaller meals during the day was good for keeping the metabolism high.

heycal
09-24-2008, 01:59 AM
sounds like Ano's HIIT training to lose bodyfat. Interval training instead of long, slow, steady cardio.

Not familiar with this. Can you elaborate or provide link?

Ronaldo
09-24-2008, 06:09 AM
I thought eating more smaller meals during the day was good for keeping the metabolism high.

Especially covered in hot sauce, should raise your metabolism.

Ronaldo
09-24-2008, 06:19 AM
Not familiar with this. Can you elaborate or provide link?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=178668&highlight=hiit

Rickson
09-24-2008, 10:50 AM
There is such a thing as the hot sauce diet. The idea is to smother your food in hot sauce so you drink more water. This is an incredibly stupid and ineffective diet, but it gets points for creativity.

rob61
09-24-2008, 11:14 AM
that sucks bro, i eat what i want and i still cant get phat, give me some encouragement to eat more junk food!

One word...

TWINKIES

Hot Sauce
09-24-2008, 12:28 PM
There is such a thing as the hot sauce diet. The idea is to smother your food in hot sauce so you drink more water. This is an incredibly stupid and ineffective diet, but it gets points for creativity.

I'm sorry. :(

JRstriker12
09-24-2008, 12:44 PM
There is such a thing as the hot sauce diet. The idea is to smother your food in hot sauce so you drink more water. This is an incredibly stupid and ineffective diet, but it gets points for creativity.

Or the hot suace makes it to painful to eat your food.....

That diet could back fire - I like hot sauce on nearly everything. I must have several bottles of different types and flavors of hot sauce.

Rickson
09-24-2008, 01:00 PM
The HS diet doesn't work for me either because I can eat spicy, hot, sour, and tangy. I once won a bet by eating a ball of wasabi. The bet was that I didn't have to pay my share of my sushi bill which was around 40 bucks, but being a nice guy, I still threw in a 20. I took in a wasabi ball that would have hospitalized the average person so I'm pretty sure the hot sauce diet won't work for me.

soyizgood
09-24-2008, 01:50 PM
I ate 5 tacos before going to bed. Had a slice of lemon cake for breakfast. Ate another 3 tacos with a can of 7up for lunch. Knowing me, I either kept my weight or even lost.:twisted:

That said, just eat small portions throughout the day. I do that and people wonder why I don't gain weight while they keep padding on. I wouldn't focus so much on calorie content as things like sodas and coffee in heavy amounts are not good, even if they have not so many calories. Exercise like a mofo to beat J011y, pace your appetite, and do things like cooking (because it's a pain to clean up). :)

Hot Sauce
09-24-2008, 02:32 PM
The HS diet doesn't work for me either because I can eat spicy, hot, sour, and tangy. I once won a bet by eating a ball of wasabi. The bet was that I didn't have to pay my share of my sushi bill which was around 40 bucks, but being a nice guy, I still threw in a 20. I took in a wasabi ball that would have hospitalized the average person so I'm pretty sure the hot sauce diet won't work for me.

Sry but wasabi isn't that bad.

Ronaldo
09-24-2008, 06:07 PM
There is such a thing as the hot sauce diet. The idea is to smother your food in hot sauce so you drink more water. This is an incredibly stupid and ineffective diet, but it gets points for creativity.

It wasn't the hot sauce but the pitchers of beer washing it down that ruined my buffalo wing diet.

heycal
09-25-2008, 09:38 PM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=178668&highlight=hiit

Glanced at this thread. If the basic jist of it was that doing, say, some fast running during a 30 minute workout instead of just a light steady jog the entire time is better for losing weight, I'd say that sure makes sense. Work harder, get more benefits.

Sentinel
09-26-2008, 03:07 AM
That's a pretty big reduction in intake suddenly.
Why not taper it off.
Or first alternate 2800 with something more comfortable like 4000.

And if you are feeling hungry, then you need to eat !

Rickson
09-28-2008, 01:32 PM
Excellent advice, Sent. I should have gradually come down instead of taking away 1700 calories in one shot. I'm at around 3500 KCal daily and I'm going to take away only 200 calories per day at the start of a new week. 1700 was too much cutting so 200 KCal cuts should give me a slow, but more effective weight loss program.