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dmtree
10-09-2008, 11:52 AM
I brought my second racket to Sports Authority yesterday to get strung. The other one I got done at a local tennis pro shop that costs a few dollars more. I got the racket back today - it was supposed to be strung slightly tighter than the first, but right off the bat I noticed that it's a lot looser, probably at least 5lbs less tension than the first one. I went back there and found out that they calibrate their Babolat machine once a year, at the beginning of the year. Do you think that after 10 months of stringing, the calibration can be off by that much? The stringer is an older, experienced guy and I doubt he would mess it up that much, so it's probably the machine.

I got a full refund for the string job and my strings.. so no big loss, except some wasted time.

bsandy
10-09-2008, 12:22 PM
You're assuming your pro shop was right.

Were both constant pull machines ?

. . .Bud

PROTENNIS63
10-09-2008, 01:03 PM
As Bud pointed out, the pro shop could have messed up just as well as any other shop or sports authority.

tennisfreak15347
10-09-2008, 01:06 PM
oh wait, they have babolat machines? oh joy! It's going to be a pleasure stringing for sports authority, :lol:

siow_a
10-09-2008, 01:47 PM
I brought my second racket to Sports Authority yesterday to get strung. The other one I got done at a local tennis pro shop that costs a few dollars more. I got the racket back today - it was supposed to be strung slightly tighter than the first, but right off the bat I noticed that it's a lot looser, probably at least 5lbs less tension than the first one. I went back there and found out that they calibrate their Babolat machine once a year, at the beginning of the year. Do you think that after 10 months of stringing, the calibration can be off by that much? The stringer is an older, experienced guy and I doubt he would mess it up that much, so it's probably the machine.

I got a full refund for the string job and my strings.. so no big loss, except some wasted time.

The pro shop can employ inexperience stringers. That being said, any stringing professional should test the machines calibration once a week. Sports Authority can go through 20-30 racquets a day. The pro shop could be even higher. Calibrating a machine doesn't take much time, so once a year makes no sense.

Valjean
10-09-2008, 01:55 PM
Same string?

Er...same racquet I suppose, too?

jrod
10-09-2008, 02:49 PM
I brought my second racket to Sports Authority yesterday to get strung. The other one I got done at a local tennis pro shop that costs a few dollars more. I got the racket back today - it was supposed to be strung slightly tighter than the first, but right off the bat I noticed that it's a lot looser, probably at least 5lbs less tension than the first one. I went back there and found out that they calibrate their Babolat machine once a year, at the beginning of the year. Do you think that after 10 months of stringing, the calibration can be off by that much? The stringer is an older, experienced guy and I doubt he would mess it up that much, so it's probably the machine.

I got a full refund for the string job and my strings.. so no big loss, except some wasted time.

I've found that the only way to get consistency in a string job is to use the same stringer. In cases where I have to use someone else I've learned that what I get back will most likely deviate (sometimes substantially) from what I asked for. So I've learned to ask what type of machine they use, whether they prestretch, calibration, etc. Then I make my own adjustments to specified tension and hope for the best.

Note that while accuracy is important, it is not realized in practice. Accuracy is an idealized concept that is virtually impossible to expect when humans are involved. If you use the same stringer, you are less likely to see variations in tension, quality, etc. over time. The key is consistency, not accuracy.

region2champion
10-09-2008, 03:39 PM
I never get my raquets strung there

dmtree
10-09-2008, 04:12 PM
Same string?

Er...same racquet I suppose, too?

Same string, same racket.

I tend to trust the tennis club pro shop stringer a bit more, as I think they have a lot more turnover and pretty good players, someone would've noticed if their jobs were 5 lbs tighter than ordered. Plus you can tell the tension is a lot lower than 58lbs on the SA-strung racket, it feels like 53-54lbs maybe. I can easily move the strings back and forth. The manager did say they only calibrate the machine once a year, so I think that's the culprit.

dmtree
10-09-2008, 04:14 PM
I've found that the only way to get consistency in a string job is to use the same stringer. In cases where I have to use someone else I've learned that what I get back will most likely deviate (sometimes substantially) from what I asked for. So I've learned to ask what type of machine they use, whether they prestretch, calibration, etc. Then I make my own adjustments to specified tension and hope for the best.

Note that while accuracy is important, it is not realized in practice. Accuracy is an idealized concept that is virtually impossible to expect when humans are involved. If you use the same stringer, you are less likely to see variations in tension, quality, etc. over time. The key is consistency, not accuracy.

yes, I hear you. I've gotten it done at 3 different pro shops in town and they were all very close. Sports Authority's string jobs were both significantly off, I couldn't tell the first time because of new strings, but this time it was pretty obvious.

thomas martinez
10-09-2008, 07:04 PM
Nope, not all club stringers are better then a TSA. And in NJ, they do not use Babolat machines. You'll see some TF Pro Cords, and Prince 3000 or 5000 machines. I know this since i am now a SMT for TSA, and the Regional Head of Sports Services works out of the Paramus Park store, and have spoken with him at length on our machine situation in the company. Now as another poster said, you're assuming both machines are calibrated. Even if they are, different machines pull differently. For example, you take a Babolat Star 4, versus a a Prince 5000, since they pull differently, they're going to feel different. Even though they will on the calibrator pull the same. You're also forgetting different clamps will hold and grip a string differently then others, no matter how well adjusted. PLUS different stringers string differently, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME TRAINING! Which is why the big key as pointed out, is consistency. That;s why pros at tournaments routinely ask for the same machine and same stringer to do their rackets through the event.

stringwalla
10-10-2008, 05:14 AM
It's not easy even getting "back to back" frames to be "identical".

The best any player can do is always request the same stringer and machine

Good machines rarely stray off calibration, but should be checked a few times per year-

Irvin
10-10-2008, 05:44 AM
Sound like one feels tighter. Could be the first was strung too high. Maybe a few dollars invested in a string meter might help give you a point of reference.

I have two identical rackets. I strung them both with the same string, the same tension, one after the other, and although they test and sound the same they one feels tighter than the other. Balance and weight are exactly the same. Could be the difference in the flex in the racket.

Wish I had an answer for us.

Irvin

siow_a
10-10-2008, 07:23 AM
Sound like one feels tighter. Could be the first was strung too high. Maybe a few dollars invested in a string meter might help give you a point of reference.

I have two identical rackets. I strung them both with the same string, the same tension, one after the other, and although they test and sound the same they one feels tighter than the other. Balance and weight are exactly the same. Could be the difference in the flex in the racket.

Wish I had an answer for us.

Irvin

Just because a racquet is strung at sports Authority does not necessarily mean that it is an inconsistent or bad stringing job. No I didn't work there, but know of the stringers that do. Some are good some bad. You'll find that true even in the pro shops. There are many factor involve to attain a consistent string job.

If you want a consistent stringing job. Then you should find a shop or store that will mount your racquet(s) on the same calibrated machine(some shops have multiple ones) and strung by the same stringer(some store employ more than one ...other employ the same one).... you are more likely to get a consistant stringing job. Using different stringing machines ..spring tension, constant pull(or even their variants) can produce a different "feeling" stringbed, but not always. It should be close. That's why a lot high-end tour players have their own stringer to retain that consistent "feel"

I don't string much anymore in the retail pro shops for many years...might be a decade or two. I have a much better daytime job now, but I still have some folks coming back to me for many years because they don't like Sports Authority or pro shops for whatever reason. I think its because I'm just a chatty person.

There are so many variables, but my suggestion is stick to one pro shop, specify the machine and the stringer. You paid for it and any good pro shop will gladly address your needs. I would.

Irvin
10-10-2008, 08:32 AM
Just because a racquet is strung at sports Authority does not necessarily mean that it is an inconsistent or bad stringing job. ...

There are so many variables, but my suggestion is stick to one pro shop, specify the machine and the stringer. You paid for it and any good pro shop will gladly address your needs. I would.

I hope I did not say anything bad about ANY store or stringer. If you or anyone else feels that I did I apologize. I was just saying there are many ways the feel of a racket can change.

I agree with you that people that have their rackets strung should use the same stringer (person and machine) as much as they can. Technique can make a difference I have seen different stringers in the same store string differently. Some pull one main string at a time while others pull two.

Irvin

dmtree
10-10-2008, 08:56 AM
i totally agree about the inconsistency, but this was just a bit too much deviation. the two string jobs from that one TSA store just feel significantly looser than what i got at the 3 pro shops around town.

jim e
10-10-2008, 09:05 AM
Some pull one main string at a time while others pull two.

Irvin

You are correct on that, as a while back in a big box store, a stringer was double pulling all the mains and all crosses, explaining to the customer how fast and # of racquets he strings. Impressed the customer, made me sick to see that.
I am glad I string, so I don't have to deal with that sort of thing.
If you look at places you will find all kinds of irresponsible stringers, at another store I noticed a racquet on the machine, 1/2 the mains were in place all on one side and left that way, I never did see the stringer the 45 min. or so that I was in the store.

siow_a
10-10-2008, 09:22 AM
a stringer was double pulling all the mains and all crosses,
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I only pull one at a time...some will feed all of the main first before pulling...alternating 2 pulls and 4 pulls thereafter per side.


[QUOTE=jim e;2773869]I noticed a racquet on the machine, 1/2 the mains were in place all on one side and left that way, I never did see the stringer the 45 min. or so that I was in the store. That never a good idea to pull one side first entirely or leave the other half unintended. Worst yet, having a constant pull machine continuing to pull while the stringer is away. Bad for the racquet, bad for the machine, bad for the stringer and bad for business. I wouldn't string my racquet there.
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siow_a
10-10-2008, 09:39 AM
I hope I did not say anything bad about ANY store or stringer. If you or anyone else feels that I did I apologize. I was just saying there are many ways the feel of a racket can change.

I agree with you that people that have their rackets strung should use the same stringer (person and machine) as much as they can. Technique can make a difference I have seen different stringers in the same store string differently. Some pull one main string at a time while others pull two.

Irvin


No, I wasn't offended..no need to apologize. Just saying that you really have to watch them string a couple of racquets before leaving it with them. I see proshops and clubs that have stringers with little or no experience stringing racquets on the machines. I even see equipment that desperately needed cleaning, strings slipping out of clamps or over clamping because they never readjust the clamp setting based on the string gauge. They use the same setting for 15g to 18g string. Some take care not to kink their gut job but forgetting to cleaning their clamps or prestretch properly beforehand. Stringers not even wanting to replace a defective grommet hole or two for the client because it would take an extra few minutes. Or even preinspecting the racquet for cracks and defects before stringing. These are really very basic things a reputable stringer would do.

Back on topic...like everyone else has said. Find a good stringer/machine and stay with him/her(arguablly more detailed/careful then their counterparts). As I am always reminded.

babolar
10-10-2008, 10:02 AM
No, I wasn't offended..no need to apologize. Just saying that you really have to watch them string a couple of racquets before leaving it with them. I see proshops and clubs that have stringers with little or no experience stringing racquets on the machines. I even see equipment that desperately needed cleaning, strings slipping out of clamps or over clamping because they never readjust the clamp setting based on the string gauge. They use the same setting for 15g to 18g string. Some take care not to kink their gut job but forgetting to cleaning their clamps or prestretch properly beforehand. Stringers not even wanting to replace a defective grommet hole or two for the client because it would take an extra few minutes. Or even preinspecting the racquet for cracks and defects before stringing. These are really very basic things a reputable stringer would do.

Back on topic...like everyone else has said. Find a good stringer/machine and stay with him/her(arguablly more detailed/careful then their counterparts). As I am always reminded.

yeah ive heard stories of local pro shops
completely screwing up racquets.
luckily i string my own racquets
Like everyone else said stick to one stringer you are satisfied with and produces consistent results.

Irvin
10-10-2008, 10:18 AM
I have been stringing for a while and always start as though I am going to string a racket with one piece stringing. I keep the long side on the right side of the racket. I first string one main on the long side, pull tension on that one main, and run the rest of the mains on the long side with no tension just to get the string up off the floor with enough slack to pull tension later. Then alternate pulling two mains on the short side and two on the right (long side) until all the mains are done. If I am going to use two piece stringing I cut the cross strings off and start the crosses in the first cross hole below the outside main going over the first main to begin. Then run the crosses up to the top and tie them off. Pull tension on those one or two crosses one at a time except for the bottom cross just below the outside main. Then I weave the crosses one ahead and pull tension on one cross at a time. Now everyone won't be stringing in this manner and I don't feel it is a only correct way to work but it is ALWAYS the same. If I ran a store with multiple stringers it is my way or the highway. Right down to how I tie the knots. Sorry guys but I am a stickler for procedure. The more you keep the procedure the same the more predictable the result will be.

Irvin

Daycrawler
10-10-2008, 02:02 PM
Yet another reason to string yourself lol

dmtree
10-10-2008, 05:47 PM
yeah ive heard stories of local pro shops
completely screwing up racquets.
luckily i string my own racquets
Like everyone else said stick to one stringer you are satisfied with and produces consistent results.

i need to find a cheap local stringer, the nearby tennis club and the Denver tennis center both do a great job, but i just can't swing $18 per string job every 2 weeks, not counting the cost of strings.

or maybe invest in a stringing machine, but that'll probably have to wait till spring.

Irvin
10-11-2008, 04:11 AM
i need to find a cheap local stringer, the nearby tennis club and the Denver tennis center both do a great job, but i just can't swing $18 per string job every 2 weeks, not counting the cost of strings.

or maybe invest in a stringing machine, but that'll probably have to wait till spring.

Wow most shops around me charge $10 or $12 to string your strings even SA. BUT if you take your string to someone to have your racket strung and the string breaks for any reason you may just end up with a broken set of strings.

If you break strings every two weeks and pay $18 to have it strung you can't afford to wait until spring to buy a stringer. At $9 a week you are spending $450 a year for stringing. If you can string for a few friends and string 2 rackets a week for $12 you will also bring in another $1250 a year. That is $1,700 a year and I am not counting the gas you spend making two trips to the stringer every time you want a racket strung.

Irvin

dmtree
10-11-2008, 09:57 AM
Wow most shops around me charge $10 or $12 to string your strings even SA. BUT if you take your string to someone to have your racket strung and the string breaks for any reason you may just end up with a broken set of strings.

If you break strings every two weeks and pay $18 to have it strung you can't afford to wait until spring to buy a stringer. At $9 a week you are spending $450 a year for stringing. If you can string for a few friends and string 2 rackets a week for $12 you will also bring in another $1250 a year. That is $1,700 a year and I am not counting the gas you spend making two trips to the stringer every time you want a racket strung.

Irvin

TSA charges $12 here. Pro shops are $18+. Since I can't use really the racket i got done at TSA (strings are way too loose), I probably won't be stringing there anymore. Since I won't be playing that much over the winter, I'll wait until spring to get a machine, but it makes sense.. Thanks for the breakdown, btw.

Shin
10-11-2008, 09:35 PM
SA stringing is a joke over here. I walk in and ask for the stringer and the cashier up front tells me the stringer has went home for the day-this is at noon on a Monday and the store opens at 9AM so really, he only works 3 hours a day. No wonder why their always backed up and have a one week turnaround time.

LawnChairGeneral
10-12-2008, 09:43 AM
once upon a time i took my stick to TSA, mentioned that i'd like it strung at XX tension. the high school kid looked at me and said, "what do you mean by tension?"

after shaking my head in amazement, i politely said "nevermind", gathered my belongings, and left the store.

Mansewerz
10-12-2008, 09:53 AM
will sports authority hire someone without MRT certification? If so, I may have a summer job next summer!

aznfatmonkey
10-18-2008, 01:30 PM
once upon a time i took my stick to TSA, mentioned that i'd like it strung at XX tension. the high school kid looked at me and said, "what do you mean by tension?"

after shaking my head in amazement, i politely said "nevermind", gathered my belongings, and left the store.

Lol. I went to sports authority once and they broke my racquet. They wouldn't do anything about it.

Aerial
10-19-2008, 01:39 PM
will sports authority hire someone without MRT certification? If so, I may have a summer job next summer!

Depends on the store manager. I would say yes. So long as you demonstrate your ability to push out 20-30 racquets a day with ease.

samster
10-19-2008, 02:01 PM
I string my own rackets. If something is off, then I know who is at fault. ;)

game set match 46 TIMES!!
10-20-2008, 10:12 AM
just dont buy there strings wilson stamina is 20$ there and psgd in 25$...and thats on sale!

lob-ster
10-20-2008, 07:45 PM
that's probably with labor

game set match 46 TIMES!!
10-20-2008, 09:15 PM
that's probably with labor
nope its not i asked there string jobs are 18$...