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Japanese Maple
10-09-2008, 12:23 PM
Does anyone know why Ano stopped replying to questions. I thought his posts were extremely informative and well thought out and greatly appreciated.

10-09-2008, 12:32 PM
I remember reading a "farewell" post a while back... basically he got fed up while sharing his experience/knowledge (backed by research) with folks that just wanted to argue with him (without any supporting evidence). It's too bad, because I learned alot from his posts, but at the same time I understand. I read some of the opposing posts, and they sounded ignorant (eg. they just wanted to be right at all costs). A shame. At least before he left I was able to glean some knowledge... I've been watching my diet, doing HIIT weight training and running, and have since been able to drop 15-20lbs + finish a 1/2 marathon + finish: http://www.menshealthurbanathlon.com/index.cfm (without help!).

10-09-2008, 12:39 PM
He got ****ed off with one too many ignorant poster continually asking stupid questions. Sad because his advice was excellent.

Japanese Maple
10-09-2008, 06:44 PM
Any chance he could come back-is he possibly just taking a break and will return?

10-09-2008, 07:06 PM
Ano was one of the few guys who posted in this section who was more knowledgeable about weight training than I am. I learned things from him and was sorry to see him go. I spent 5 years as a trainer and received 2 certifications along the way (ACE, Apex), but Ano took his studies to the next level. I hope he comes back soon.

10-09-2008, 10:10 PM
Any chance he could come back-is he possibly just taking a break and will return?

Maybe if you stop vehemently denying all of the static vs. dynamic stretching studies he would make his way back a little quicker. It's things like that that made him leave.

10-09-2008, 10:24 PM
That's absolutely true. Ano would not come back just to argue with the op regarding stretching. I know for a fact that Ano was against static stretching before a tennis match.

Japanese Maple
10-10-2008, 05:20 AM
Maybe if you stop vehemently denying all of the static vs. dynamic stretching studies he would make his way back a little quicker. It's things like that that made him leave.
Gmedlo-You don't know what you are talking about and obviously haven't read my entire posts regarding stretching. As I have stated over and over again, static and dynamic stretching both have a place in pre-match warm ups and professional sports teams demonstrate this every year! Just this morning while watching ESPN, they showed PacMan Jones at the Dallas training camp and the players were doing dynamic high kick hamstring stretches while other players were doing static stretches for their shoulders and hip flexor muscles. You can do both and do an excellent job preparing yourself for competition.

What I respected about Ano is he would share his knowledge and information, backed up by experience and research,but would not be dogmatic about stating his opionion. He respected other peoples post and had no problem with other peoples opinions not necessarily agreeing with everything he had to say if they knew what they were talking about. I never had a problem with Ano and was most respectful of his knowledge, I hope he comes back.

10-12-2008, 10:36 AM
Taken from: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/health/nutrition/13Best.html

March 13, 2008
Personal Best
To Stretch or Not to Stretch? The Answer Is Elastic

By GINA KOLATA (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/gina_kolata/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
NEWS about stretching seems to come in waves. Stretch as part of your warm-up. No, stretch after your workout. No, don’t even bother stretching. Or the doozy: Even if you think you like it, it’s been oversold as a way to prevent injury or improve performance.
The truth is that after dozens of studies and years of debate, no one really knows whether stretching helps, harms, or does anything in particular for performance or injury rates. Yet most athletes remain convinced that stretching helps, and recently more and more have felt a sort of social pressure to show that they are limber, in part due to the popularity of yoga. Flexibility has become another area where many athletes want to excel.
They’re like one of my running partners, Claire Brown, a 35-year-old triathlete.
“I always feel like, well, athletes should do yoga,” Claire said. “It’s supposed to be really good for running, and when I do it regularly, it does loosen up my hips and make me feel better for running.”
Yet she puts off going to yoga.
“It shouldn’t feel like an obligation, but it always does,” Claire said. “The good classes are often an hour and a half long, and I’m thinking: ‘I could be running, I could be biking. But here I am, stretching and breathing.’
“Isn’t it funny, though, that something that should be calming can actually cause stress (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/symptoms/stress-and-anxiety/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) because you think you have to do it?”
For the bottom line on stretching, there is an official government review by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/centers_for_disease_control_and_prevention/index.html?inline=nyt-org) published in the March 2004 issue of the journal Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise. Its conclusion, that the research to date is inadequate to answer most stretching questions, still holds.
The best that Dr. Julie Gilchrist, a medical epidemiologist at the Centers for Disease Control and one of the study’s authors, can offer is a few guidelines and observations about why studies have yet to answer the stretching questions.
If your goal is to prevent injury, Dr. Gilchrist said, stretching does not seem to be enough. Warming up, though, can help. If you start out by moving through a range of motions that you’ll use during activity, you are less likely to be injured.
In fact, Dr. Gilchrist said, in her review of published papers, every one of the handful of studies that concluded that stretching prevented injuries included warm-ups with the stretches.
That is one reason the studies so far have been inadequate. Researchers need to separate their variables, said Malachy McHugh, the director of research at the Lenox Hill Hospital Nicholas Institute of Sports Medicine and Athletic Trauma in Manhattan.
“What’s missing are studies of stretching alone and studies of no stretching and no warm-up,” Dr. McHugh said.
But it may not be so easy to do such studies, he admitted, because most athletes in strength and speed sports like soccer and football believe in stretching, no matter what scientists say. Suppose you wanted to do a proper study, with a control group that did not stretch. Good luck, he said.
“If you go to a team and say, ‘You guys are not going to stretch and you guys are going to stretch,’ they would say, ‘You can leave the room now,’ ” Dr. McHugh said.
Some athletes — gymnasts, hurdlers and swimmers among them — may need to stretch to gain the flexibility they need for their sport, Dr. McHugh said.
But distance runners do not benefit from being flexible, he found. The most efficient runners, those who exerted the least effort to maintain a pace, were the stiffest.
That study involved 100 people who were tested with 11 flexibility tests. Then they walked and ran while the researchers measured their efficiency. Those who were the most flexible expended 10 to 12 percent more energy to move at the same speed as compared with the least flexible. But that study did not involve stretching — it could be that the most flexible people would have been flexible with or without stretching. And even when studies do ask whether performance changes after a stretching program, they usually involve artificial laboratory situations, said Christopher Morse, an exercise physiologist at Manchester Metropolitan University in England who has published papers on stretching and reviewed the stretching literature.
“The problem is that what is actually studied in the lab has very little intrinsic links to what is happening” when people actually exercise, he said.
Stretching can make you more flexible, but does it change a naturally efficient runner into an inefficient one?
No one knows, Dr. Morse added, but there also is no evidence that it does.
And while holding a stretch temporarily reduces muscle power when measured in the lab, Dr. Morse said, many people also warm up in real life, counteracting stretching’s negative effect and enabling muscles to work with full force.
That means, Dr. Morse said, that those studies showing stretching makes muscles temporarily weaker “might have no real-world consequences.”
THE few studies in real-world situations typically used military recruits. Some concluded that stretching was useless. Others that it prevented injuries. The stretching, though, was part of a training regimen, muddying attempts to decide whether the recruits had fewer injuries because they were better conditioned or because they stretched.
While the stretching debate goes on, some researchers who used to believe in stretching say they have become disillusioned.
Stacy J. Ingraham, an exercise physiologist at the University of Minnesota (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/university_of_minnesota/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and a long distance runner, suffered from hamstring injuries when she was on a team. She stretched and stretched, for months on end, to no avail.
That made her wonder about stretching’s benefits, as did her subsequent years of coaching female high-school and college cross-country runners. Her runners stretched but, Dr. Ingraham said, stretching “did not seem to do what we’d been schooled about all our lives — it did not prevent injuries.”
She reviewed published papers, saw none that convinced her that stretching either protected people from injuries or improved performance, and became an antistretching evangelist.
“Runners don’t need to stretch,” she insists.
Dr. Charles Kenny, an orthopedist in private practice in Stockbridge, Mass., is even more adamantly opposed to stretching. The practice, he said, weakens performance and makes an injury more likely.
“If stretching was a drug, it would be recalled,” Dr. Kenny said.
Stretching the hamstring muscle, for example, teaches the muscle to relax when the knee is fully extended, Dr. Kenny said. But that is not what a runner needs. Instead, runners need to have their hamstrings stiff and activated when the knees are extended. Of course, one test of how passionate researchers are about stretching is to ask them whether they themselves stretch. Many say they do.
Dr. McHugh, who plays Gaelic football, which is similar to soccer, said he needs some flexibility to play, so he stretches.
Dr. Morse, a wrestler, also has a routine: “I get leg-muscle pulls, so I do low-level contractions, isometrics and dynamic stretches to warm up. And I stretch afterward.”
Dr. Gilchrist, who, at 40, runs, swims and lifts weights, has not been stretching, but is wavering.
“I am so inflexible I think it’s hazardous,” she said. “I am seriously considering stretching,” Dr. Gilchrist said.
But she is not thinking of yoga.
Dr. McHugh, for one, suggested that yoga may actually be more than most athletes need.
“I just saw a guy with arthritis (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/arthritis/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) in his knee,” Dr. McHugh said. “He was very flexible. He got into the lotus position, sitting on the floor with his knees hyperflexed in a figure-four. I told him this may not have brought on his arthritis but it is bringing on symptoms.”
Claire will be glad to know.

10-12-2008, 09:16 PM
Sad, but funny. This thread started out asking why Ano won't come back to Health and Fitness and wound up doing more than enough to ensure he won't post here any time soon.

Besides from all the ignorant posts and fighting, I think Ano was sick of answering the same questions over and over. Like, "hey ano how can I gain muscle?" He would then give a well thought out and researched answer only to be met with the same question a few days later. Guys, do yourselves a favor and just search Ano's posts.

10-14-2008, 06:06 AM
Sad, but funny. This thread started out asking why Ano won't come back to Health and Fitness and wound up doing more than enough to ensure he won't post here any time soon.

Besides from all the ignorant posts and fighting, I think Ano was sick of answering the same questions over and over. Like, "hey ano how can I gain muscle?" He would then give a well thought out and researched answer only to be met with the same question a few days later. Guys, do yourselves a favor and just search Ano's posts.

Just to add on here... Ano would often give multiple citations for any/all information he provided, and not only would folks repeat questions, but some would blindly refute his information with the research equivalent of a 5 year old, "no you're wrong because my mommy told me so". Ano was always open to new information, and always asked for supporting scientific studies (in a manner that appeared to me that he was way more interested in learning something new than trying to prove himself rigt). But often argumentative folks would respond with, "I don't need to provide scientific evidence or proof, I know what works for me for years." (As if length of years believing something further supports the validity of the belief).

One of the things that Ano prompted me to research was stretching prior to a physical activity (run, tennis, martial arts, etc...). Having had a black belt (TKD) in my teens, and been on the track team as a teen, and currently a 4.5-5.0 player (computer rated 4.5 but have made it to the finals of open tourneys) - I've always been taught to (muscle) stretch before starting any activity (eg. I've had this belief for years)... Ano prompted me to research this practice further and I found from various studies that pre-stretching muscles can degrade performance, and or weaken muscles prior to activity. My research pointed out that it *is* important to warm up prior to going 100%, and while pre-stretching muscles can have an adverse effect, it is important to do joint warm ups (eg. circling ankles, knees, hips, shoulder sockets, neck...) to get blood flowing through them (eg. lubricating them). So now I just do a warmup + joint loosening/lubricating exercises,... and save the muscle stretching for *after* my workout.

10-14-2008, 06:13 AM
Good post, nyta. This is what I like to see. Posters who do their research and experimenting with proven techniques as opposed to posters who simply dismiss proven techniques as a passing trend, without even researching them or trying them.

Kevin T
11-25-2008, 09:44 AM
I think that it had more to do with Ano wanting to share fitness tips and ideas based on current research, and possibly engage in intellectual debates based on documented facts. Instead he would supply research to support his opinions only to be debated by people who felt anecdotal evidence was more substantial than research studies. Things such as, "I saw Arnold espousing this 30 years ago, so it must be the best way to build muscle; even if it contradicts recent studies." or "Etcheberry said to do this twenty years ago, so recent research is invalid, even if Pat agrees with it now." "I saw a professional football player doing this. He is a world class athelete. So that has to be the best way to prepare for tennis." "It has always worked for me, so that solves it."

It was my impression that having to debate these shallow idiots drove him away.

Bingo!! Ano was a wealth of knowledge and really took the time to answer questions. We disagreed on a few items but we would always provide research links and antecdotal evidence. Ano's reason for not posting is the same reason I rarely post in this section these days: It's not worth my time to argue about things that are generally accepted truths. Ano has the credentials. I have the credentials. Rickson and others (sorry, don't pay enough attention to this board to know the other experts in the field). I have the anecdotal (played D1 football at an ACC school, worked as team dietitian/nutritionist with an SEC school's athletic programs in grad school, ACSM certified exercise specialist, registered dietitian, worked with the US Olympic training center) and the research (PH.D in clinical nutrition/nutritional biochem, MS in exercise physiology and human nutrition) credentials. Even with all this, people would still call you a quack, argue with you and provide links to bogus websites with articles written by guys with credentials that no one in healthcare or science accepts. Rickson, Ano and myself did/do this with our spare time, free of charge and still got poo pooed. I even used to answer private emails and give advice on diet plans/exercise, etc., but no more. What's the point? I'm all for a healthy, fact-based argument but it seems those are few and far between on any section of this message board these days.