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superstition
10-11-2008, 12:01 AM
That's my view.

Plus, putting gut in the name doesn't make it gut.

BreakPoint
10-11-2008, 12:24 AM
I don't even think natural gut is worth $25 a set. No string is worth that much since they all need to be replaced so quickly.

superstition
10-11-2008, 01:41 AM
It depends upon the player. Not everyone breaks gut quickly and it retains its playability until it breaks.

BreakPoint
10-11-2008, 01:55 AM
It depends upon the player. Not everyone breaks gut quickly and it retains its playability until it breaks.
It loses tension, doesn't it? All strings do.

some6uy008
10-11-2008, 02:15 AM
It loses tension, doesn't it? All strings do.

Yea, I'd have to agree with BP here. Guts, natural and all, are really consumable goods. They don't last all that long to cost $20+ at each replacement. I know some people go thru 3+ packs a week, that really adds up fast.

some6uy008
10-11-2008, 02:17 AM
Double post, sorry

Tim W
10-11-2008, 02:45 AM
Natural gut is the best string for tension maintenance. If you pre-stretch it properly, it will not lose that much tension and will be playable until it breaks.

PBODY99
10-11-2008, 04:59 AM
Old school flat hitting players have used natural gut in a cost effective manner, in my experience. One or two months during the peak of the season, vs one or two synthetic re stringing per week. The multi's on the market don't come close and I find that the value of the so higher priced strings isn't really seen by the 4.5 and below group I service.

anirut
10-11-2008, 05:38 AM
$25 too much for multi? Yes, most probably.

As for nat gut, if you gripe at it being $25, or even $30, come to Thailand. The VS Babolat is about US$75, stringing included.

tennisfreak15347
10-11-2008, 08:07 AM
definitely it is too much, but the mini-reel of K-gut comes to 10 dollars a stringjob.

superstition
10-11-2008, 06:07 PM
Natural gut is the best string for tension maintenance. If you pre-stretch it properly, it will not lose that much tension and will be playable until it breaks.
I'm not the only person who has remarked that VS 17 plays the best when the mains have thinned, before it breaks.

Nellie
10-11-2008, 06:14 PM
My beef with high priced synthetic strings in general is that they seem to be price arbitrarily. I would guess the manufacturing of any string is less than a $1, so the manufacturing costs for the most and least expensive man made strings are almost the same. So to summarize, I feel like I am getting ripped of with expensive multis.

superstition
10-12-2008, 02:37 AM
I'm sure VS costs a lot more to make than a nylon synthetic.

PROTENNIS63
10-12-2008, 05:43 AM
Oops... I accidentally clicked yes! Oh well.

To answer the question, IMO a multi shouldn't cost more than $12 a set. The KGUTs selling for over $20 probably costs Wilson just a few bucks.

Azzurri
10-12-2008, 08:00 AM
I agree with BP when he noted no string is worth $25, but that is a lower price for a good quality gut. If you want to play gut, you have to pay the premium.

I noticed 3 votes for multi being worth $25..that is a joke. I bet I know at least 2 of the 3 "experts" that voted for. They are, IMO, the most clueless "experts" on tennis string.

As for me, I use gut. I string my own racquets and having gut actually saves me money and time. If I used my Gosen on a full racquet job, It would last maybe 3 sessions. But the gut lasts me much longer. I won't use anything lese but nat gut on my main racquets (at least in the mains). I don't mind crossing the Gosen.

Valjean
10-12-2008, 09:36 AM
1. No one experiences gut or multi in such an abstract way; they use a specific string. So the question needs to be answered.

2. There's only one string out that's $25 a set (and it's a "solid-core" multifilament, at that): Prince's Recoil. Since that's what you mean, apparently, now, why not ask it that way too?

3. And, Azzuri, there's really no need to guess who's "answered" what--when you click the "View Poll Results" link, it's there for all to see.

What do these people who vote in favor of that still unnamed multifilament still have to fear from you, though? Getting bashed elsewhere in the forum from afar too, I'd say--as you've just done to those still-nameless "experts" you're on such a crusade in here to do harm to.

PROTENNIS63
10-12-2008, 01:58 PM
It is actually 2 people but I guess some people have hard times reading...

superstition
10-12-2008, 10:45 PM
There's only one string out that's $25 a set (and it's a "solid-core" multifilament, at that): Prince's Recoil. Since that's what you mean, apparently, now, why not ask it that way too?
Because this topic isn't just about Recoil. There is nothing stopping another company from pricing a string like that.

It's about the trend toward pushing the price of multis increasingly toward the price of natural gut. Kgut is also part of this topic, as is any other string that comes out at $20 or more.

lawlitssoo1n
10-12-2008, 11:12 PM
i got pro supex maxim touch for 8 dollars and they play great

Valjean
10-13-2008, 03:26 AM
Because this topic isn't just about Recoil. There is nothing stopping another company from pricing a string like that.

It's about the trend toward pushing the price of multis increasingly toward the price of natural gut. Kgut is also part of this topic, as is any other string that comes out at $20 or more.
It's a *pocketbook* issue, then!?!!! When there remain plenty of other synthetics, even multifilaments, priced well below your price point, why should some other string's price even *matter* this much, to you and anyone else too.

Above it has been suggested that certain string characteristics may just be beyond your notice. Similarly, USRSA playtesters are listed by their NTRP rating, play style and racquet. Not every string appeals to everyone.

Is this poll then in fact just some claim you have that no string's cost should offend? Are you hiding it? This has more the character of a *rant*, then, and there's a forum just for that; why frustrate and detain yourself with this one.....

Azzurri
10-13-2008, 04:14 AM
It is actually 2 people but I guess some people have hard times reading...

I saw 3, not sure what you were looking at.

PROTENNIS63
10-13-2008, 04:26 AM
I saw 3, not sure what you were looking at.

you must've read read only half the posts. It really doesn't matter, but see what I posted on post 14. That should clear things up.

Azzurri
10-13-2008, 04:45 AM
you must've read read only half the posts. It really doesn't matter, but see what I posted on post 14. That should clear things up.

yes, I missed your post. Someone else voted for multi (maybe a friend of Valjean), so now its 3.:)

Azzurri
10-13-2008, 04:50 AM
1. No one experiences gut or multi in such an abstract way; they use a specific string. So the question needs to be answered.

2. There's only one string out that's $25 a set (and it's a "solid-core" multifilament, at that): Prince's Recoil. Since that's what you mean, apparently, now, why not ask it that way too?

3. And, Azzuri, there's really no need to guess who's "answered" what--when you click the "View Poll Results" link, it's there for all to see.

What do these people who vote in favor of that still unnamed multifilament still have to fear from you, though? Getting bashed elsewhere in the forum from afar too, I'd say--as you've just done to those still-nameless "experts" you're on such a crusade in here to do harm to.

In all this time I never knew you could "view" who voted for what. I honestly had no clue, if I did I would not have noted 2/3...because you would be one to vote for multi. You're name is not on the list, so maybe you should really think....

Never mentioned your name at all. Funny how you come to this thread AFTER I did. You just make yourself look silly.

Bashed...I am not alone. Most people completely disagree with you.

fishuuuuu
10-13-2008, 07:44 AM
That's my view.

Plus, putting gut in the name doesn't make it gut.

If its not poly its not playable (:

Valjean
10-13-2008, 09:44 AM
In all this time I never knew you could "view" who voted for what. I honestly had no clue, if I did I would not have noted 2/3...because you would be one to vote for multi. You're name is not on the list, so maybe you should really think....

Never mentioned your name at all. Funny how you come to this thread AFTER I did. You just make yourself look silly.

Bashed...I am not alone. Most people completely disagree with you.
The poll question is poorly phrased, as I said above. First it's poll results you don't do, but now it's whatever someone else has said, as well.

Furthermore, to take this thread as somehow a "vote" on "multis" as a whole, rather than a price point for some, completely changes its point (unless that's gone unstated this whole time--you and the OP can just have that one out). Apparently, then, right now, you'd need one of your own.

Finally, it actually doesn't matter, in real terms, what you and I think--who votes what--now does it? Last time I looked it up, this forum is free opinion. Unless you have something in mind to do about that, per se.... And that I wouldn't put past you, even.

ClubHoUno
10-13-2008, 01:32 PM
I use Laseerfibre Supernatural Gut Prostock, and I thought it was that string the OP referred to since it has GUT in its name.

I really like this multi - and it plays best of all the multi's I've had the pleasure of testing, which include, Recoil (is this a multi at all), X-one, Xcel Power 2008, Kgut Pro & Gamma Professional.

Unfortunately TW does not sell it in 16 gauge anymore, so I'll have to get it elsewhere.

I use natural gut in all my main racquets, but I need 2 racquets for wet weather - and I use prime Multi strings in these 2 racquets, since natural gut is NOT an option in wet weather.

Azzurri
10-13-2008, 03:09 PM
The poll question is poorly phrased, as I said above. First it's poll results you don't do, but now it's whatever someone else has said, as well.

Furthermore, to take this thread as somehow a "vote" on "multis" as a whole, rather than a price point for some, completely changes its point (unless that's gone unstated this whole time--you and the OP can just have that one out). Apparently, then, right now, you'd need one of your own.

Finally, it actually doesn't matter, in real terms, what you and I think--who votes what--now does it? Last time I looked it up, this forum is free opinion. Unless you have something in mind to do about that, per se.... And that I wouldn't put past you, even.

you are so much smarter than me, at least you think that. but the funny thing is I am in the 90% of the populas view..you are not even close. So while you continue to argue with me, 90% think you are wrong. I find that pretty funny.:lol:

we agree on one thing, this is a free forum based on opinion. But mine seesm to be correct most of the time. nhope I did not hurt your feelings. I know how much you like to get my posts deleted towards you.

on to the topic. No multi costing anywhere near $25 is worth the price. No multi costing $20 is worth the price, nor is $15 and not even $10. I have tried multi's and they are the worst price/performance strings on the market (IMO). They are not worth the cost because they don't last. They feel good/ok for a set or so, then they are mushy. At least there are many syn guts thancan cost less than $4 per racquet. Why pay all that money for a multi when a terrific gut costs nearly the same..KLIP LEGEND.

Azzurri
10-13-2008, 03:11 PM
I use Laseerfibre Supernatural Gut Prostock, and I thought it was that string the OP referred to since it has GUT in its name.

I really like this multi - and it plays best of all the multi's I've had the pleasure of testing, which include, Recoil (is this a multi at all), X-one, Xcel Power 2008, Kgut Pro & Gamma Professional.

Unfortunately TW does not sell it in 16 gauge anymore, so I'll have to get it elsewhere.

I use natural gut in all my main racquets, but I need 2 racquets for wet weather - and I use prime Multi strings in these 2 racquets, since natural gut is NOT an option in wet weather.

how often do you play in rain? I know gut can be tough to keep in humid/hot weather, but rain?

miniRafa386
10-13-2008, 03:16 PM
if the synthetic was as durable as kevlar and had the playability of gut, and the bite of a poly, then yes.

Valjean
10-13-2008, 03:36 PM
you are so much smarter than me, at least you think that. but the funny thing is I am in the 90% of the populas view..you are not even close. So while you continue to argue with me, 90% think you are wrong. I find that pretty funny.:lol:

we agree on one thing, this is a free forum based on opinion. But mine seesm to be correct most of the time. nhope I did not hurt your feelings. I know how much you like to get my posts deleted towards you.

on to the topic. No multi costing anywhere near $25 is worth the price. No multi costing $20 is worth the price, nor is $15 and not even $10. I have tried multi's and they are the worst price/performance strings on the market (IMO). They are not worth the cost because they don't last. They feel good/ok for a set or so, then they are mushy. At least there are many syn guts thancan cost less than $4 per racquet. Why pay all that money for a multi when a terrific gut costs nearly the same..KLIP LEGEND.
One thing we do agree upon: The poll isn't about multis, it's about their price. Whether that's the priority everyone in here has is in doubt. Whether a poll so dedicated attracts any but sanctimonious people, or would, is not.

But, then, that isn't about and over you, too. And, should it be?

Azzurri
10-13-2008, 04:37 PM
One thing we do agree upon: The poll isn't about multis, it's about their price. Whether that's the priority everyone in here has is in doubt. Whether a poll so dedicated attracts any but sanctimonious people, or would, is not.

But, then, that isn't about and over you, too. And, should it be?

you are either a lawyer or college professor..which one? Your writing is top notch (sincerely).

Yes..the price. Basically the reason I don't like them. if they were $5-$10 I would be OK w/them.

ClubHoUno
10-14-2008, 09:04 AM
how often do you play in rain? I know gut can be tough to keep in humid/hot weather, but rain?

I don't play that often in the rain - but sometimes when it starts to rain a little bit we can continue for half an hour before the lines get too slippery.

I play on red clay and they can take a bit of rain and we can still play some solid tennis.

Also sometimes, when we play just after a rain delay, the balls and the red clay court is still a bit wet and this will affect the natural gut strings some what - so in these situations I take my two racquets strung with the prime multi strings and I play on until everything is dry.

Of course natural gut is better, but I still think the prime multis play pretty good for me. I also have 2 racquets strung with a hybrid of the thicker Babolat VS Touch 15L Gauge Natural Gut in the mains and Luxilon ALU Big Banger Fluoro 17 gauge in the crosses and I can play with this hybrid in some what wet weather without the natural gut being ruined totally because of its thicker gauge and also of course because Babolat VS Team nat gut and VS Touch Natural gut has a nice coating on the strings to make them more durable.

But a full nat gut setup of Babolat VS Team Natural Gut 17 gauge, which I have in my two Wilson K-Blade 98 would be ruined in just the slightest wet weather - unfortunately I speak from experience here - I ruined an expensive full nat gut Babolat VS Team 17 gauge string setup last month, when I played for about 20 minutes in wet weather - not rain, but after a rain delay, and the balls became a bit soaked from contact with the wet red clay - the natural gut started to look like hot spaghetti after 15 minutes.......but I had played with the strings for 10 hours, so it was about to go anyways, but still I learned that day, that water and natural gut is a bad bad combination :lol:

fastdunn
10-14-2008, 10:41 AM
I don't even think natural gut is worth $25 a set. No string is worth that much since they all need to be replaced so quickly.


In my case, $25 gut is more value than $3-4 basic synthetic gut.

I voted big "NO" on the poll by the way.

Azzurri
10-14-2008, 10:49 AM
I don't play that often in the rain - but sometimes when it starts to rain a little bit we can continue for half an hour before the lines get too slippery.

I play on red clay and they can take a bit of rain and we can still play some solid tennis.

Also sometimes, when we play just after a rain delay, the balls and the red clay court is still a bit wet and this will affect the natural gut strings some what - so in these situations I take my two racquets strung with the prime multi strings and I play on until everything is dry.

Of course natural gut is better, but I still think the prime multis play pretty good for me. I also have 2 racquets strung with a hybrid of the thicker Babolat VS Touch 15L Gauge Natural Gut in the mains and Luxilon ALU Big Banger Fluoro 17 gauge in the crosses and I can play with this hybrid in some what wet weather without the natural gut being ruined totally because of its thicker gauge and also of course because Babolat VS Team nat gut and VS Touch Natural gut has a nice coating on the strings to make them more durable.

But a full nat gut setup of Babolat VS Team Natural Gut 17 gauge, which I have in my two Wilson K-Blade 98 would be ruined in just the slightest wet weather - unfortunately I speak from experience here - I ruined an expensive full nat gut Babolat VS Team 17 gauge string setup last month, when I played for about 20 minutes in wet weather - not rain, but after a rain delay, and the balls became a bit soaked from contact with the wet red clay - the natural gut started to look like hot spaghetti after 15 minutes.......but I had played with the strings for 10 hours, so it was about to go anyways, but still I learned that day, that water and natural gut is a bad bad combination :lol:

I understand. That makes sense. We don't have any outdoor clay courts in our area. So playing in the rain on hard-court is not a good idea.

I also play Babolat 17g, but have a pack of Babolat 15g ready to be strung up. What is the difference in gauges? What are the effects for you?

I have been playing nothing but 17g strings for at least 2 years.

Azzurri
10-14-2008, 10:54 AM
In my case, $25 gut is more value than $3-4 basic synthetic gut.

I voted big "NO" on the poll by the way.

agreed. In my situation:

$25 for Klip Legend
.50 cents for Gosen Sheep (I buy the reel for $30..so each cross job costs me maybe 50 cents).
I string myself.

2 racquets for $26. That's $13 for each racquets. The gut will last me months on 1-2 days per week (2 hours per session). If I use Syn gut like Gosen on a full string job, it may last me 2 sessions (2 weeks). While the price will not get near the $13, its the time involved. Since I string myself, I waste much less time using natural gut. time is money.:)

Anyone serious about stringing and has an initial $200 investment can get their own stringer (Klipper or Gamma), a reel of good syn gut under $50 and a pack of Natural gut. The stringer would pay itself within a year or so.

ClubHoUno
10-14-2008, 01:20 PM
I understand. That makes sense. We don't have any outdoor clay courts in our area. So playing in the rain on hard-court is not a good idea.

I also play Babolat 17g, but have a pack of Babolat 15g ready to be strung up. What is the difference in gauges? What are the effects for you?

I have been playing nothing but 17g strings for at least 2 years.

I feel like the 17 gauge nat gut gives me more spin and control and less power, while the 15L gauge gives me me more power, less spin and more durability.

This is why I try to hybrid the 15L gauge nat gut with a poly in the crosses, because the poly gives me some extra spin, that otherwise lacks in the thicker 15L gauge nat gut string.

I like to play around with this and test different string setups. I only play tennis for fun and don't have to have 5 racquets with the same string setup. So in fact I currently have 1 wet weather racquet with a Prime expensive multi, 2 racquets with a hybrid of 15L gauge Babolat VS Touch nat gut in the mains and a Luxilon Big Banger ALU Fluoro in the crosses, 2 racquets with a full Babolat VS Touch 16 gauge string setup and 2 with a full Babolat VS Team 17 gauge string setup.

My two Wilson K-blade 98 have a dense string pattern of 18X20, so I use the 17 gauge natural gut in these two racquets.

superstition
10-14-2008, 08:59 PM
No multi costing $20 is worth the price, nor is $15 and not even $10. I have tried multi's and they are the worst price/performance strings on the market (IMO). They are not worth the cost because they don't last. They feel good/ok for a set or so, then they are mushy.
To me, NRG-2 feels stiffer than natural gut, not mushy. I prefer gut, though, because it has more resilience.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 07:17 AM
To me, NRG-2 feels stiffer than natural gut, not mushy. I prefer gut, though, because it has more resilience.

Never played NRG-2, but have heard its stiff. In my experience, most of the multi's I have played had little response to them..they felt dead/mushy very quickly.

Nellie
10-15-2008, 07:35 AM
Slightly off topic but in response so some posts above, I use gut (Babolat Tonic) because my shoulder hurts with any other string. I would pay more for gut, now matter what the price, or I would quit playing tennis. I have tried expensive multi's like K-gut, but my arm still hurts.

Rabbit
10-15-2008, 10:01 AM
I didn't vote because I think the 'truth' (for lack of a better term) is, like most things, somewhere in the middle. If I had a choice of paying $25 for a multi versus $25 for natural gut, I'd buy natural gut every time. But, from a pragmatic standpoint, my choices are much more varied than that. I have found that a livley gut doesn't suit me from a feel standpoint. I prefer the lower end guts that have a more solid, deader feel like Pacific Classic or Tough Gut, or Klip Legend. Between those two, I find the wear pattern and performance window to be better with Pacific.

But! I string for several people who like a higher end gut like Prime or Team. And when you consider using a hybrid with a multi that costs $10 - 12/set like Power Line, NRG, or PowerFibre, then you find a great utility for a multi. The resultant string job really has two-fold best of, cost and performance.

I have also found that, probably because of my history with poly, that prefer a deader feeling string. Multis typically have less feel than gut. I am going to experiment with an all-gut job soon, but find my proclivity to be cheap one of the leading factors holding me back (I just can't bear to cut out a $30 experiment and feel guilty for wasting a set of gut).

Given the narrow view of one or the other, then I think it's absolutely true that natural gut out performs any/all multis in terms of tension maintenance, power, and overall performance. But given the current climate of hybrids, I think that most players realize it doesn't have to be an all/nothing proposition. A hybrid, for 90% of the world's playing population will perform as well as an all-gut set up given that the natural gut is used in the mains.

You can have your cake and eat it too!

superstition
10-15-2008, 01:41 PM
Based on what you said, though, I don't see anything to support a $25 multi. So, how is the true somewhere in the middle?

superstition
10-15-2008, 01:42 PM
Never played NRG-2, but have heard its stiff. In my experience, most of the multi's I have played had little response to them..they felt dead/mushy very quickly.
You may want to try NRG-2 17.

fastdunn
10-15-2008, 02:24 PM
agreed. In my situation:

$25 for Klip Legend
.50 cents for Gosen Sheep (I buy the reel for $30..so each cross job costs me maybe 50 cents).
I string myself.

2 racquets for $26. That's $13 for each racquets. The gut will last me months on 1-2 days per week (2 hours per session). If I use Syn gut like Gosen on a full string job, it may last me 2 sessions (2 weeks). While the price will not get near the $13, its the time involved. Since I string myself, I waste much less time using natural gut. time is money.:)

Anyone serious about stringing and has an initial $200 investment can get their own stringer (Klipper or Gamma), a reel of good syn gut under $50 and a pack of Natural gut. The stringer would pay itself within a year or so.

Same here. I sometimes hybrid value natural gut with something better than basic mono's (like soft polys, or polyolefins strings < $10) though.

I too have paid for my stringer too for the situation like this.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 05:32 PM
You may want to try NRG-2 17.

If you send me some, I will try it. If I like it, I will buy it..but honestly I use Nat gut and have no reason to try a multi (one that I pay for). But I do have a couple string sets I got from Samster (The MOJO set up in the cross ISO) that will be put into my next gut string job. I want a low powered cross..hopefully it holds up well (at least as long as the Gosen).

superstition
10-15-2008, 07:16 PM
I use Nat gut and have no reason to try a multi (one that I pay for).
If your budget can afford natural gut that's fine. But, you can't say all multis are bad. We're not talking about a multi that costs $25 in this case. The competition in the price range of NRG-2 is barely natural gut, if at all. Some argue that durability/tension holding of natural gut is superior so it saves money in the long run. That's true for non string breakers. But for string breakers, maybe not. I usually buy VS instead of NRG-2 myself, but sometimes I haven't had the money and bought NRG-2 instead and it's a better substitute than other strings I've tried.

It's hyperbolic to dismiss multis entirely in my view.

Azzurri
10-15-2008, 07:36 PM
If your budget can afford natural gut that's fine. But, you can't say all multis are bad. We're not talking about a multi that costs $25 in this case. The competition in the price range of NRG-2 is barely natural gut, if at all. Some argue that durability/tension holding of natural gut is superior so it saves money in the long run. That's true for non string breakers. But for string breakers, maybe not. I usually buy VS instead of NRG-2 myself, but sometimes I haven't had the money and bought NRG-2 instead and it's a better substitute than other strings I've tried.

It's hyperbolic to dismiss multis entirely in my view.

good point. was not thinking along those lines. I never break string.
will try the ISOSpeed control and classic control. guess I will see how it goes.:)

Bengt
10-15-2008, 07:38 PM
NRG 2 at $6 a set is definitely worth it. Thanks fleabay!

Rabbit
10-15-2008, 08:35 PM
Based on what you said, though, I don't see anything to support a $25 multi. So, how is the true somewhere in the middle?

I didn't vote because I think the 'truth' (for lack of a better term) is, like most things, somewhere in the middle. If I had a choice of paying $25 for a multi versus $25 for natural gut, I'd buy natural gut every time.

Try reading the post next time...

The true is that multis, less expensive than gut, have a place in stringing. You don't have to go completely one way or the other.

Bengt
10-15-2008, 09:00 PM
Try reading the post next time...

The true is that multis, less expensive than gut, have a place in stringing. You don't have to go completely one way or the other.

True. If they didn't have a place in the market then they wouldn't be marketed. Also, they're much easier for home stringers.

Azzurri
10-16-2008, 06:58 AM
NRG 2 at $6 a set is definitely worth it. Thanks fleabay!

that is a good price. If this string actually does what people say, $6 is a good price.

Il Mostro
10-16-2008, 08:35 AM
Aside from whether multi's in general are worth the $$, where exactly is this $25 multi?

The highest priced sets I am aware of are K-Gut Pro at $21.50 and LaserFibre SNPS at $19.00. In fact, the majority of highly regarded mutli's are in the $10-$15 range. Xcel Power, my current favorite, is worth every cent of its $16.95 price to me. There are plenty priced <$10.00

Azzurri
10-16-2008, 09:04 AM
Maybe he means tax and stringing service??

Il Mostro
10-16-2008, 02:21 PM
Maybe he means tax and stringing service??

A premium multi *strung* for $25.00? Jump on it and never look back! Run of the mill SG costs $25.00 strung in my neck of the woods.

I am still wondering about the $25.00 multi...

JediMindTrick
10-16-2008, 02:27 PM
Aside from whether multi's in general are worth the $$, where exactly is this $25 multi?

The highest priced sets I am aware of are K-Gut Pro at $21.50 and LaserFibre SNPS at $19.00. In fact, the majority of highly regarded mutli's are in the $10-$15 range. Xcel Power, my current favorite, is worth every cent of its $16.95 price to me. There are plenty priced <$10.00

He probably means Prince Recoil.

Il Mostro
10-16-2008, 02:38 PM
^^^^^^
Solid core, not multifilament.

PBODY99
10-16-2008, 04:59 PM
Writing questions is not the snap people think it is . More so when you are trying to craft a yes or no response. The price cited hasn't been reached in the American market,yet. I do think that the replies to this thread have given the feedback the poster wanted.

Il Mostro
10-16-2008, 05:38 PM
^^^^^^^
I neglected to consider pricing in Bizarro World. ;-)

JediMindTrick
10-16-2008, 06:40 PM
^^^^^^
Solid core, not multifilament.

Actually it's a "solid core multifilament", whatever that means. Anyway it feels like a multi.

tennisfreak15347
10-16-2008, 06:57 PM
Actually it's a "solid core multifilament", whatever that means. Anyway it feels like a multi.

an example of a solid core multifilament is Tecnifibre's Multifeel. a solid core with other fibers braided around it.

superstition
10-16-2008, 07:15 PM
Try reading the post next time...
I did. I suppose that was the mistake.

Il Mostro
10-16-2008, 09:29 PM
Actually it's a "solid core multifilament", whatever that means. Anyway it feels like a multi.

No, it is solid core with a wrap. A true "multifilament" is multiple strands wrapped around each other in the style of a faux natural gut.

This is turning into the biggest ****-off thread of all time. Consider the original source... and his usual MO.

superstition
10-17-2008, 03:15 PM
This is turning into the biggest ****-off thread of all time. Consider the original source... and his usual MO.
What are you talking about?

mrmo1115
10-18-2008, 09:28 PM
Just a ? that isn't really relevant to the topic other then it has to do w/ multis.

Im using NXT in the crosses for 6 demo strings instead of gut to save money since im not going to play w/ the strings till they pop so its not sensible to play test w/ gut...

Can anyone compare NXT (specifically) to Nat gut? And what do you guys think is the best multi out there that gives the closest feeling to gut?

Valjean
10-19-2008, 05:12 AM
Nowadays you pretty much have to say which natural gut you mean; there is a similar durability-playability spectrum as for the several synthetic string categories going on.

Azzurri
10-28-2008, 01:17 PM
I diagree. I can now offer my opinion (like yourself..an opinion) that babolat is not much different that warrants a $10 price difference. It is softer than say Klip Legens, but its just the feel. I thought BDE was just as soft as Babolat. So Thye Klips, BDE's and Tonic's are well worth the $25 price tag compared to $35 babolat Team.

I never tried a "cheap" gut such as Titan, so I can't comment on a cheaper gut. But I can say with first hand experience that Klip and BDE play just as well as the Babolat. They all feel just a bit different.

No $20-$25 multi can compare to any of the $25-$30 natural guts offered. As for thos eGerman natural guts and other no-name ones...I have no clue.

Valjean
10-28-2008, 03:45 PM
Sorry, but when NXT is compared to VS, BDE Performance, Bow Brand Championship, or Pacific Prime, the contrast is noticeably different than when NXT is compared to Babolat Tonic+, Klip Legend, or Klip's Armour Pro. Fact is, if that weren't the case it would be downright strange, wouldn't it? NXT isn't even designed to mimic these last, particularly the last two.

There has even been a six-gut comparison playtest which the USRSA did. These were ranked in eight categories and the differences with some were quite striking. The categories were: playability, power, control, widebody compatibility, tension maintenance, resistance to string movement, durability, and feel/comfort.

The guts were: Babolat's VS, Bow Brand Championship, BDE Performance, Babolat Tonic+, Klip Legend and Pacific Supreme. Babolat was the clear winner, by the by, in every category but durability; there was one tie too, for widebody compatibility.

It's true that experience makes a difference: how often you play with a string material can influence how sensitive you are with it. What's more, USRSA playtests take into account play level, play style and racquet since that can affect what you value too. How do you do then? Babolat's superior playability, for example, is valued more for certain styles of play, Legend's durability for others. Take that into account, too.

Azzurri
10-28-2008, 06:09 PM
Klip: more crisp than babolat, less power and nice cupping. I got nice spin on serves. The sound of a nicely struck ball is a smack, twack (not sure how to describe it).

BDE Performance: Kinda mushy/little feel and literally no cupping and more power than expected. Still it was soft. some spin on serves. Don't remember a sound at all.

Babolat: Softer than Klip and a little softer than BDE, but still had feel to it unlike the BDE. a bit better cupping, a tad less control than the Klip and a tad more power (notice it more on the ground strokes). Good spin. The sound of a nicely struck ball is a THUD sound.

If I had to choose, I would go with Klip, Babolat and then the BDE.

I chose the Klip because of the feel it gave. It differed than the Babolat and I liked the crispness a little more. I also noticed the sound was more pleasing. The babolat was a muffled thud sound. I liked the Klip sound better. Now if all of the qualities I liked is because you (or anyone else) considers it a durable string, then fine. It really has no bearing on what its called. I tried other strings (including Wilson Natural Gut..which is supposed to be Bab Vs..I hated that string. It felt like a tight rope..no feel, no spin...would never buy it again). I found the reviews on Klip Legen 17 to be accurate as far as my experience with it. If so many people like it and TW does sell tons of this string, its hard to knock it.

I really think BDE is overrated. I won't buy it again. It got no control with it either. I was hitting looong with it. I cut it out well before its time. Had to really think back how I felt about it. It was soft, but more so mushy or a dead feel.

I am not knocking babolat. I would play it no problem. I will tell you this, I have been playing the Babolat for a few months. Once this string goes, I will re-string with the Klip Legend. I will know from that point which will be my permanent string. I figure this time with the Babolat will give me a good amount of experience and allow me to make a good comparison as soon as I go back to the Klip.


I know you like to use the USRSA, but I don't care for their reviews much. I have read reviews of other strings I have tried in the past and I just don't agree with them. I don't know what else to say about them. I know lots of posters that feel the same.

Did I mention NO multi can take the place of any quality, durable, dependable and high-end natural gut.

Valjean
10-29-2008, 06:04 AM
....I know you like to use the USRSA, but I don't care for their reviews much. I have read reviews of other strings I have tried in the past and I just don't agree with them. I don't know what else to say about them. I know lots of posters that feel the same.

Did I mention NO multi can take the place of any quality, durable, dependable and high-end natural gut.
Let's be clear about one thing: the USRSA doesn't conduct its string playtests in a lab or using its employee. It does organize 35-40 player-volunteers of varying abilities whose play levels, play styles and racquet equipment it lists for relevance it has. That's a help to people looking to try a string. And in that it's very much like the Feedback section TW has for every string they sell, too.

Despite your own lengthy post, this is more than you let us in on, and it leaves people with their own experiences with literally nothing to go on but just your own, personal taste in string. Yet it's on that too-meager basis that you've gone on and insisted that others in here need to relinquish that experience they have, go by what you say and swear off multis for good.

If you care to do that much, why don't you try and persuade us more, like I've indicated you should, instead of just repeating yourself?

As to the rest, you're OT and into a diatribe, man; the usual one, too.

Tofi
10-29-2008, 06:21 AM
come to britain where the set of babolat vs natural gut is 41.99 which is around $78-$80 with out stringing

Valjean
10-29-2008, 06:35 AM
Read the whole thread; it's supposedly about whether any nylon-based "multi" is "worth" $25. It's turned into the usual "anti-nylon" diatribe; they all do, just now. Use a polyester hybrid, that said; we all do now. Or at least Legend. The use of gut is a little harder to justify, but it makes them look good. They just can't bear how it feels.

How does disruption so soon follow when multis come in, in most cases, we'd all like to hear.... This is like what nickb does; it's his cult following throwing the bull around.

origmarm
10-29-2008, 07:07 AM
Personally I would think that $25 is just too high a price point for a multi, simply as you can get a very good one for much less than that. I do take the point though that if you want to play nat gut, you have to pay the money, so with multis we may get to that situation too. It's about relative price points in this case I feel. The manufacturing price of the string for me has little to do with the price point in the case of synthetics and more to do with the price the market will bear.

As an interesting aside, my playing partner would probably pay $25 for a "gut like" multi as he is a dedicated vegan and tries to avoid using animal products (such as natural gut) wherever possible. If he could get a very good approximation of natural gut at a $25 price point I think he would probably be fine with that. I guess it's a question of how "gutlike" you can make a multi so as to justify the pricing. At the moment I don't think we're there, he would disagree as he places value on the animals as such.

JavierLW
10-29-2008, 08:10 AM
Wow, it's a landslide.

However after I voted I realized that I only mean the actual package price, not what your local tennis club charges for it.

If the price includes stringing, then $25 is fine with me for a quality multi.

$25 for just the package itself though is way too much. Id rather go with a natural gut then.

Azzurri
10-29-2008, 08:34 AM
Let's be clear about one thing: the USRSA doesn't conduct its string playtests in a lab or using its employee. It does organize 35-40 player-volunteers of varying abilities whose play levels, play styles and racquet equipment it lists for relevance it has. That's a help to people looking to try a string. And in that it's very much like the Feedback section TW has for every string they sell, too.

Despite your own lengthy post, this is more than you let us in on, and it leaves people with their own experience with literally nothing to go on but just your own, personal taste in string. Yet it's on that meager basis that you've gone on and insisted that others in here need to relinquish that experience they have and go by what you say.

If you care to do that much, why don't you try and persuade us more, like I've indicated you should, instead of just repeating yourself?

As to the rest, you're OT and into a diatribe, man; the usual one, too.

sorry, but most people on the boards share my experiences with the guts I mentioned. most of your point is senseless to me.

JavierLW
10-29-2008, 09:05 AM
Let's be clear about one thing: the USRSA doesn't conduct its string playtests in a lab or using its employee. It does organize 35-40 player-volunteers of varying abilities whose play levels, play styles and racquet equipment it lists for relevance it has. That's a help to people looking to try a string. And in that it's very much like the Feedback section TW has for every string they sell, too.

Despite your own lengthy post, this is more than you let us in on, and it leaves people with their own experience with literally nothing to go on but just your own, personal taste in string. Yet it's on that meager basis that you've gone on and insisted that others in here need to relinquish that experience they have and go by what you say.

If you care to do that much, why don't you try and persuade us more, like I've indicated you should, instead of just repeating yourself?

As to the rest, you're OT and into a diatribe, man; the usual one, too.

Id take someone's word for it more who is just using the string, over someone who is selling the string at some store.

As soon as I saw this post, I invisioned that you'd be all over it.

Here's the whole arguement from an objective point of view:

- You like to promote certain multi's around $25

- Other party (not even responding to you) claim that these are a waste of money, you'd be better off using similarly priced natural guts

- You go into some point about how not all natural guts are the same, and some multi's are actually better than $25 Natural Gut

- Other people who disagree with this say that NO MULTI is anywhere near GUT. (which is an sentiment that you'll hear from almost anywhere to the point that it's almost common knowledge on this board)

This Poll plays into that because naturally if you say you are not going to spend $25 on a multi, it's basically saying that none of them are worth that much.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion but apparently you have some sort of agenda other than a personal opinion about how these strings play.

I dont care about some subjective survey. If you check the technical data in the USRSA (which are not subjective), you will see that all of the Natural Gut strings are in almost the same area as far as stiffness and initial tension loss, and that NONE of the multi's are even in the same area. Some get close but they are not in the same grouping.

(also the natural gut spread on that chart is the smallest spread out of any type of string, in darts you'd call that a "good grouping")

Azzurri
10-29-2008, 10:00 AM
Id take someone's word for it more who is just using the string, over someone who is selling the string at some store.

As soon as I saw this post, I invisioned that you'd be all over it.

Here's the whole arguement from an objective point of view:

- You like to promote certain multi's around $25

- Other party (not even responding to you) claim that these are a waste of money, you'd be better off using similarly priced natural guts

- You go into some point about how not all natural guts are the same, and some multi's are actually better than $25 Natural Gut

- Other people who disagree with this say that NO MULTI is anywhere near GUT. (which is an sentiment that you'll hear from almost anywhere to the point that it's almost common knowledge on this board)

This Poll plays into that because naturally if you say you are not going to spend $25 on a multi, it's basically saying that none of them are worth that much.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion but apparently you have some sort of agenda other than a personal opinion about how these strings play.

I dont care about some subjective survey. If you check the technical data in the USRSA (which are not subjective), you will see that all of the Natural Gut strings are in almost the same area as far as stiffness and initial tension loss, and that NONE of the multi's are even in the same area. Some get close but they are not in the same grouping.

(also the natural gut spread on that chart is the smallest spread out of any type of string, in darts you'd call that a "good grouping")


I really appreciate you writing this post. I don't know how many debates I have to go into with Valjean. Not saying he does not know string (he does), but for whatever reason he wants to argue the natural gut vs. multi. Maybe he does sell them, maybe he is a rep. I sometimes think maybe it me, your post shows that I am not in the minority. Thanks again for chiming in. You get it, unlike some others.

Valjean
10-29-2008, 12:53 PM
Id take someone's word for it more who is just using the string, over someone who is selling the string at some store.

As soon as I saw this post, I invisioned that you'd be all over it.

Here's the whole arguement from an objective point of view:

- You like to promote certain multi's around $25

- Other party (not even responding to you) claim that these are a waste of money, you'd be better off using similarly priced natural guts

- You go into some point about how not all natural guts are the same, and some multi's are actually better than $25 Natural Gut

- Other people who disagree with this say that NO MULTI is anywhere near GUT. (which is an sentiment that you'll hear from almost anywhere to the point that it's almost common knowledge on this board)

This Poll plays into that because naturally if you say you are not going to spend $25 on a multi, it's basically saying that none of them are worth that much.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion but apparently you have some sort of agenda other than a personal opinion about how these strings play.

I dont care about some subjective survey. If you check the technical data in the USRSA (which are not subjective), you will see that all of the Natural Gut strings are in almost the same area as far as stiffness and initial tension loss, and that NONE of the multi's are even in the same area. Some get close but they are not in the same grouping.

(also the natural gut spread on that chart is the smallest spread out of any type of string, in darts you'd call that a "good grouping")
You're just in here to fight me, and very little has to do with me, except what you two have just said.

And how you've misrepresented this discussion thread, as apparently just two of us in here "duking it out" over some off-topic matter until you showed up, reveals how far you go to avoid what's said or what's gone on, in any discussion group you enter.

By the by, though it's been shown before this that it is some modus operandi you do, and it can affect anyone at all--so it's in fact unnecessary to say something at all about what you did--I don't "promote" any string I discuss for some advantage I get, be it the $25 multi or otherwise.

And I resent you're saying that I did.

What I do say, and have said here, is that it's strange to be polling a price point when, as with other string materials, there continues to be a such a range of multi pricing now and the $25 tag applies just to Prince's Recoil--unless, as I said, the purpose is to single out multis in such a way as to discourage their use, which I don't think is fair to ourselves.

However, I'll not be a topic for you that you revert to when you're "in jeopardy" in here somehow, do you get it now?

Valjean
10-29-2008, 01:01 PM
I really appreciate you writing this post. I don't know how many debates I have to go into with Valjean. Not saying he does not know string (he does), but for whatever reason he wants to argue the natural gut vs. multi. Maybe he does sell them, maybe he is a rep. I sometimes think maybe it me, your post shows that I am not in the minority. Thanks again for chiming in. You get it, unlike some others.
If you're into a debate with me, I'd have to know it somehow. This is about whether multis have a right to be debated in here without fear of a topic change to you're "clueless" if you do that.

This disruptive intent has been occurring even where a thread is supposed to compare two multis, and is affecting all who come, in addition to those daring to start one; that's harassment where I'm from and in board terms, too.

What's said, by me too, is clear for everyone to read; no interpretation, and over-the-top characterization of what it is by you, is necessary.

Valjean
10-29-2008, 01:11 PM
sorry, but most people on the boards share my experiences with the guts I mentioned. most of your point is senseless to me.
--First, nothing I have said addresses you but something you have said. And it's not the above.

--Second, you haven't a reason to claim what you do; even a result favorable to you isn't going to elevate or promote you, or result in punishment for those who disagree. You actually mistake what a forum does when you say so, too.

--Third, you haven't a basis for claiming above what "most people" think about your own, very specific and particular string experiences, and I think it's far more likely "most"--though it's apparently going to come as a surprise--aren't going to be thinking of how they rate with you two when they do their own; should they, somehow!?!!!

Azzurri
10-29-2008, 01:29 PM
First, nothing I have said addresses you but something you have said. And it's not the above. Second, you haven't a reason to claim what you do; even a result favorable to you isn't going to elevate or promote you, or result in punishment for those who disagree. You actually mistake what a forum does when you say so, too. Third, you haven't a basis for claiming above what "most people" think, and I think it's far more likely most--though it's apparently going to come as a surprise--aren't going to be thinking of how they rate with you two when they do.

ha ha ok. Valjean..sometimes your intelligence is a hinderince. Look at the polls. They side with me regarding multi vs. gut.

ok, you have a point when people (not only myself) chime in on the multi only debate. It should be left alone to the multi's. But what what hurts your credibility and frankly it realy hurts it is when you make claims that natural gut strings such as Klip and Tonic are not "elite" string soany expensive multi such as KGut and NXT are just as good. You have knowledge about strings, but your stubborn attitude towards some natural guts aloows people to disagree or attack your knowledge of string in general.

if you have never played Klip, admit it. I doubt you ever played it. If you did, you would not be so adamant in calling it a value or secondary gut. Its a premiuim like babolat. babolat cost more because of reputation and name. Think about how many other products cost more just because of the name.
oh, your tone is another thread.

Valjean
10-29-2008, 02:15 PM
ha ha ok. Valjean..sometimes your intelligence is a hinderince. Look at the polls. They side with me regarding multi vs. gut.

ok, you have a point when people (not only myself) chime in on the multi only debate. It should be left alone to the multi's. But what what hurts your credibility and frankly it realy hurts it is when you make claims that natural gut strings such as Klip and Tonic are not "elite" string soany expensive multi such as KGut and NXT are just as good. You have knowledge about strings, but your stubborn attitude towards some natural guts aloows people to disagree or attack your knowledge of string in general.

if you have never played Klip, admit it. I doubt you ever played it. If you did, you would not be so adamant in calling it a value or secondary gut. Its a premiuim like babolat. babolat cost more because of reputation and name. Think about how many other products cost more just because of the name.....
Can't fathom how you get the polling you claim from a question about how many prefer Prince's Recoil, or why you would prefer any polling outcome to justifying yourself.

However, now you've just been seeking to discredit someone, and going further and further afield, and away from reasoning in any form, to do it, too. And that's over the top.

AR15
10-29-2008, 02:30 PM
Is a multifilament synthetic worth $25 a pack?

If you play better with it than equal or more expensive strings, then it is worth it.

Azzurri
10-29-2008, 02:32 PM
Can't fathom how you get the polling you claim from a question about how many prefer Prince's Recoil, or why you would prefer any outcome like it to justifying yourself. However, now you've just been seeking to discredit someone, and going further and further afield, and away from reasoning in any form, to do it, too. And that's over the top.

seriously..I don't know what you are talking about. I was making generalizations about multi and gut. the thread is about multi NOT being worth $25. How can gut not be talked about...you of course are the only one. you must feel special. sorry, but I tried talking nice and sensible to you (at least trying to get you to understand). my msitake. see you on the next string thread.

Azzurri
10-29-2008, 02:34 PM
Is a multifilament synthetic worth $25 a pack?

If you play better with it than equal or more expensive strings, then it is worth it.

yea that could be true, if it were true. But I don't know too many posters that claim any multi is as good as gut. that is the point. What you said is true, but only for a select few. the issue some of us have is a small amount of posters will say some multi'sare better than some guts of the near equal price. Myself and most other posters completely disagree.

Azzurri
10-29-2008, 02:37 PM
Can't fathom how you get the polling you claim from a question about how many prefer Prince's Recoil, or why you would prefer any outcome like it to justifying yourself. However, now you've just been seeking to discredit someone, and going further and further afield, and away from reasoning in any form, to do it, too. And that's over the top.

here is a poll. gurantee you every other poll about gut vs any string type is the same.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=182967&highlight=gut+poll

SoCal10s
10-29-2008, 03:15 PM
$25 too much for multi? Yes, most probably.

As for nat gut, if you gripe at it being $25, or even $30, come to Thailand. The VS Babolat is about US$75, stringing included.

hey Thai guy,how's the weather ?

JavierLW
10-29-2008, 03:27 PM
I really appreciate you writing this post. I don't know how many debates I have to go into with Valjean. Not saying he does not know string (he does), but for whatever reason he wants to argue the natural gut vs. multi. Maybe he does sell them, maybe he is a rep. I sometimes think maybe it me, your post shows that I am not in the minority. Thanks again for chiming in. You get it, unlike some others.

Ive heard it referenced in other posts that he is running his own tennis shop or is stringing racquets there or something. Supposably in an area where said shop has a monopoly on the tennis business.

He's taken a weird turn lately, because he's trying to claim that all of these people (who happen to have the same opinion that NO MULTI is even close to natural gut) are somehow in cahoots with each other. It's like saying that there is a vast conspirisy amongst all the people who think the sky is blue and not teal or something to that effect.

We all think the same thing and we all disagree with him so we MUST be in it together!

It's silly really. This is all about money which is why this post is relevant to the discussion. If you are going to say $25 is a waste of money for a multi, then naturally you can say it's because you can get a good Natural Gut string for the same price. He doesnt want to believe that so somehow he thinks there is something wrong with expressing that opinion.

JavierLW
10-29-2008, 03:43 PM
You're just in here to fight me, and very little has to do with me, except what you two have just said. And how you've misrepresented this discussion thread, with apparently just two of us in here "duking it out" over some off-topic matter until you showed up, reveals how far you go to avoid what's said or what's gone on, in any discussion group you enter. By the by, though it's been shown before this that it is some modus operandi you do and it can affect anyone at all, so it's unnecessary that I say something about what you did, I don't "promote" any string I discuss for some advantage I get, be it the $25 multi or otherwise. And I resent you're saying that I did. What I do say, and have said here, that it's a be polling a topic over a pricing when, as with other string materials, there continues to be a such a range of multi pricing now and the $25 tag applies just to Prince's Recoil, unless the purpose is to single out multis in such a way as to discourage their use--which I don't think is fair to ourselves.

However, I'll not be a topic for you that you revert to when you're "in jeopardy" in here somehow, do you get it now?

No I dont get it because you said you would not say anything while you were saying something. As usual Im quite confused.

I did read this post. As usual someone made a fair honest opinion about something, and you came swooping in because you feel threatened that OH NO, they are bashing multi's.

Ive told you this before but I am not bashing multi's, just ones that are close in price to $25. If you're going to spend $25 then you owe it to yourself to at least try some of the natural gut strings because they are NOT like any multi out there. I dont sell strings for a living like some people so that's just my opinion from playing tennis.

If that's someone's opinion then we have a right to it. You certainly have a right to disagree but it seems to me you know you have lost that argument so now you've resorted to crazy conspirisy theorys and you've stooped to trying to make it out like everyone has an agenda which is a hoot.

Azzurri
10-29-2008, 04:27 PM
Ive heard it referenced in other posts that he is running his own tennis shop or is stringing racquets there or something. Supposably in an area where said shop has a monopoly on the tennis business.

He's taken a weird turn lately, because he's trying to claim that all of these people (who happen to have the same opinion that NO MULTI is even close to natural gut) are somehow in cahoots with each other. It's like saying that there is a vast conspirisy amongst all the people who think the sky is blue and not teal or something to that effect.

We all think the same thing and we all disagree with him so we MUST be in it together!

It's silly really. This is all about money which is why this post is relevant to the discussion. If you are going to say $25 is a waste of money for a multi, then naturally you can say it's because you can get a good Natural Gut string for the same price. He doesnt want to believe that so somehow he thinks there is something wrong with expressing that opinion.

and all this time I thought he was just wrong..now it may be an AGENDA! If he does have this business, does he get any from TW members? That would be against TW rules and subject to a banning. But I doubt he would risk it. He seems to like talking string.

I don't understand it either. he really spins his words and I really have to read his posts twice. Either he is a graduate of Oxford University or carries a dictionatry around..lol. But yea, he does seem to argue a point that are really not argueable. I have had some run ins with him and your posts helps to clear some things up.

oh yea..we are all conspiring together. Is that funny or what!

Azzurri
10-29-2008, 04:31 PM
You're just in here to fight me, and very little has to do with me, except what you two have just said. And how you've misrepresented this discussion thread, with apparently just two of us in here "duking it out" over some off-topic matter until you showed up, reveals how far you go to avoid what's said or what's gone on, in any discussion group you enter. By the by, though it's been shown before this that it is some modus operandi you do and it can affect anyone at all, so it's unnecessary that I say something about what you did, I don't "promote" any string I discuss for some advantage I get, be it the $25 multi or otherwise. And I resent you're saying that I did. What I do say, and have said here, that it's a be polling a topic over a pricing when, as with other string materials, there continues to be a such a range of multi pricing now and the $25 tag applies just to Prince's Recoil, unless the purpose is to single out multis in such a way as to discourage their use--which I don't think is fair to ourselves.

However, I'll not be a topic for you that you revert to when you're "in jeopardy" in here somehow, do you get it now?


This is a perfect example..I have no clue what Valjean is talkiong about. its way over my head.

origmarm
10-30-2008, 03:43 AM
This is a perfect example..I have no clue what Valjean is talkiong about. its way over my head.

For someone who writes eloquently, there's an awful lot of grammatical errors in his post. I guess he was pretty wound up at that point.

I think while Valjean does appear to be somewhat of a multi evangelist there is a point to what he is saying here about the discussion at hand, which is that we are essentially discussing a price point at which only one multi is sold. His assertion is that the implication that as a result all multis are overpriced is probably misleading.

I also think as an aside that what he is saying about gut is that as with all string types, there is a variation of quality, manufacturing consistency and price point with gut also. His belief is that a "lower level" gut does not equate to a "premium" gut. I tend to agree with him on that front in that for me Bab VS and Klip Legend for example are very different string but within the same type. I happen to favour the legend but I can appreciate the difference.

As such he believes that these "lower level" guts are probably on a par with the "premium" multis but just have different play characteristics. The difference when you get down to "premium" multi versus "lower level" gut (self characterised second class gut) for example is pretty slim.

Personally I don't agree with his viewpoint but I can see how he might view this thread as somewhat of a multi character assasination. I tend to think that while I haven't yet found a multi that can rival the cheaper gut I'm open to the possibility that one could exist or that some might find a particular characteristic of a particular multi to make it worth similar money to a lower priced gut.

I do realise the point of this thread was to promote discussion of two things, firstly that a $25 multi is overpriced and similarly that gut is in most people's view superior to multi but I think it turned into a "multi is priced similar to gut but is not as good" discussion on the basis of one $25 multi string. Multi is not as good as gut imo, but it is cheaper also and that is probably as things should be

MTChong
10-30-2008, 10:33 AM
Rather put in a Natural gut hybrid in that case -- lasts longer, heck, it's even cheaper.

fastdunn
10-30-2008, 12:05 PM
$25 value guts(tonic+,legend,classic) are far superior than $25 multi in terms of longevity of playability.

but if you hardly play a string longer than 5 hours(and you prefer the feel of multi's), you may still want that expensive multi's.