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Rorsach
10-19-2008, 05:09 AM
An ode to the classic racquets from Snauwaert, the manufacturer from Belgium.

They were the first (afaik) to engrave the weight and balancepoint of that particular stick on the racquet, making it very easy to find comparable frames. And who can forgot their (failed) adventure with the Ergonom.
Some of the pro's that used Snauwaert were Mikael Pernfors, Vitas Gerulaitis and Miloslav Mečíř.


There's very little information about Snauwaert to be found on the internet, so anyone that has some info, please post it in this thread.

Also feel free to add pictures from your frames.


I'll start with my small collection from this innovative company (click the pics for the full screen version):


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9594/img0803mz2.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0803mz2.jpg)http://img291.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Picture 1:
ATP Tour 103
ATP Tour 93
ATP Tour 85
Hi-Ten 50
Hi-Ten 30
Mikael Pernfors

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5290/img0804hq6.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0804hq6.jpg)
Picture 2:
Comp Dyno (2x)
Dyneema S60
Vitas Gerulaitis AUtograph

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/24/img0805in1.th.jpg (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0805in1.jpg)
Picture 3:
Ergonom
Comp Mid
Cosmos Pro
Graphite Mid

Il Mostro
10-19-2008, 05:53 AM
Great collection. I wish I could find a Hi Ten here is the USA, but they never seem to surface. In fact, other than the Ergonom's, it is rare to find Snauwaerts in good condition here. I love the attention to detail in these racquets.

galain
10-19-2008, 06:06 AM
Really nice collection Rorschach. I'd give my left arm (well, not really, but you could have my wife) for one of the Hi Tens. I've only ever seen one come up for auction - always been curious.

Rorsach
10-19-2008, 06:10 AM
I'd give my left arm (well, not really, but you could have my wife) for one of the Hi Tens.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm having trouble enough with my own spouse.

NoBadMojo
10-19-2008, 07:48 AM
Thanks, but no thanks. I'm having trouble enough with my own spouse.

spousal abuse using a HiTen shall not be tolerated ')

i was fully sponsored by Snauwaert back in the day. played the Kodes Auto (International Club) (still have one), then the FibreComp (have at least a couple around here). The Gottfried Auto was a popular one.

mine were always 360 320 5 LM

Rorsach
10-19-2008, 08:00 AM
i was fully sponsored by Snauwaert back in the day. played the Kodes Auto (International Club) (still have one), then the FibreComp (have at least a couple around here). The Gottfried Auto was a popular one.

mine were always 360 320 5 LM

Post pics plz.

SirBlend12
10-19-2008, 08:33 AM
Hell yeah! Someone finally started the Snauwaert club. Big fan of the ATP Tour 85's. I've got 2 that were made for Lacoste and are PJ'ed as such. Neat little rubber stopper and all.

vsbabolat
10-19-2008, 10:02 AM
I am a big fan of Snauwaert racquets. I used and still have the Brian Gottfried Autograph, Vitas Gerulaitis Autograph, And Vitas Gerulaitis Graphite Pro Mid.

treblings
10-19-2008, 11:40 AM
i was fully sponsored by Snauwaert back in the day. played the Kodes Auto (International Club) (still have one)

Snauwaert&Depla Kodes is a beautiful racket. i have one in vg condition. there must have been different versions of that racket?

i used to play the Gottfried Autograph(fully sponsored by my parents)
Later on the ATP 93 and the Pernfors Autograph.

at a flea-market i found 2 MCE 9003 with signature by McEnroe and a 10x9 string pattern. you can get incredible spin with that racket and the strings break after 10 to 15 min:)

NoBadMojo
10-19-2008, 12:51 PM
Post pics plz.

not a picture sort of guy

Snauwaert&Depla Kodes is a beautiful racket. i have one in vg condition. there must have been different versions of that racket?

i used to play the Gottfried Autograph(fully sponsored by my parents)
Later on the ATP 93 and the Pernfors Autograph.

at a flea-market i found 2 MCE 9003 with signature by McEnroe and a 10x9 string pattern. you can get incredible spin with that racket and the strings break after 10 to 15 min:)

The one I have has the old Snauwaert Superman 'S' logo and not the last stylized S...it is white ash w. a blue vulcan fibre reinforced shaft. His autograph on one side on the throat and his name in block letters on the other side.

This is an 18 mains frame. 18 mains on a 65 sq inch frame is a VERY closed pattern. Mine is tubed and power padded in the throat and has Victor Imperial blue spiral gut. It is still very playable. It's a really exceptional racquet which is very attractive...the sweetest looking racquet to me was the Adidas Hallet..mine were both light and very headlight,,nastase used these for quite some while

Martingale
10-19-2008, 12:59 PM
Loved them in the 80s. Had a few of the Graphite rackets, but somehow the ones I owned and have hidden out of reach in the attic seemed to have been blue and yellow. I really played some of my best tennis with them. Last time I checked them, I noticed I left the original gut string on them, and the tension not only has pulled the strings through the grommets, but has actually carved canyons into the graphite as well!

galain
10-19-2008, 01:03 PM
Ed

I used to have Victor Imperial Blue in an old Volkl TR30 - really nice strings! That brought back some memories.

(sorry - not trying to derail the thread)

treblings
10-19-2008, 01:26 PM
not a picture sort of guy



The one I have has the old Snauwaert Superman 'S' logo and not the last stylized S...it is white ash w. a blue vulcan fibre reinforced shaft. His autograph on one side on the throat and his name in block letters on the other side.

This is an 18 mains frame. 18 mains on a 65 sq inch frame is a VERY closed pattern. Mine is tubed and power padded in the throat and has Victor Imperial blue spiral gut. It is still very playable. It's a really exceptional racquet which is very attractive...the sweetest looking racquet to me was the Adidas Hallet..mine were both light and very headlight,,nastase used these for quite some while

From the description it sounds like my Kodes. S D for Snauwaert&Depla on the Buttcap.
But i had to count the strings twice, because my model has 21 mains and 18!
That is a very closed pattern.

agree on the Haillet, haven´t seen one in decades.

NoBadMojo
10-19-2008, 03:24 PM
Ed

I used to have Victor Imperial Blue in an old Volkl TR30 - really nice strings! That brought back some memories.

(sorry - not trying to derail the thread)

I agree about the Vic Imperial..every bit as good as VS and less money. This Kodes racquet still plays fine and hasnt been strung since the 80's !

From the description it sounds like my Kodes. S D for Snauwaert&Depla on the Buttcap.
But i had to count the strings twice, because my model has 21 mains and 18!
That is a very closed pattern.

agree on the Haillet, haven´t seen one in decades.

sounds like yours is older than mine. that's a very funky stringjob you got there...it's an 18x20

daveyboy
10-20-2008, 08:55 AM
I'll post pics of mine soon...the hi ten, the meso fibre, the graohite la grande, the graphite pro and its interations....love them all. Especially the Golden Mid.

retrowagen
10-20-2008, 11:18 AM
...love them all. Especially the Golden Mid.

The Golden Mid is my favorite Snauwaert of all time. I also like the Graphite Mid and Dyno, and the Boron Mid and Dyno, and the Brian Gottfried Graphite Mid and Tomas Smid Graphite Mid (both actually mostly wood composites, as used by Miloslav Mecir).

Snauwaert/Depla was one of the last vestiges of old school wood craftsmanship, and tried very hard to be innovative (albeit while still holding on to traditional materials) in the 1980's. They get full marks for:

Warren Bosworth designed rackets

Marketing the first commercially-available oversized racket (predating the Howard Head-designed Prince Classic!)

The Carlo Gibello-designed Ergonom rackets (a commercial flop, but proof positive of how far they would push the traditional+modern formula of racket design)

Use of "modern" fibers (Kevlar/aramides, Boron) in their layups years before the larger brands took the plunge

I still enjoy playing with old Snauwaerts occasionally. On a slower court, it's hard to imagine a better racket for baseline play. If they were still making rackets in Belgium, I'd still be buying their gear consistently...

treblings
10-20-2008, 11:47 AM
The Golden Mid is my favorite Snauwaert of all time. I also like the Graphite Mid and Dyno, and the Boron Mid and Dyno, and the Brian Gottfried Graphite Mid and Tomas Smid Graphite Mid (both actually mostly wood composites, as used by Miloslav Mecir).

Never heard of the Smid model. Was the Gerulaitis a similar racket? And i always thought Mecir had his own signature racket.

Captain Haddock
10-20-2008, 03:40 PM
My first racquet in 1978 was a Snauwaert Caravelle strung with Victor Imperial. What a beauty it was! Snauwaert made wonderful wood racquets and had some of the most skilled workers of the wood racquet era. True perfectionists. But they did not really handle the switch to graphite very well (although their Graphite Mid and the Dyno series were excellent frames) and had distribution problems outside of Europe. I think they went under around 1992. Their last generation of widebody frames (Dyneema S60, etc) were also pretty good. They tried to hire McEnroe as a last ditch effort, but all he did was stencil an "S" on his Max 200Gs. Their other sponsored players (Gottfried, Kodes, Smid, Gerulaitis, etc.) apparently did not do enough for the visibility of the brand. Snauwaert also had the first polyester string I can recall, called "Dyno" as well. It had the color of dark brown taffy (and played like it, too).

netman
10-20-2008, 06:35 PM
My Snauwaerts:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/P1010057.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/SnauwaertGraphiteDyno.jpg

Both acquired at thrift stores for a couple of bucks. Enjoy taking them out for a hit once in a while.

-k-

Il Mostro
10-20-2008, 06:57 PM
^^^^^

You know who to call if you feel like thinning the herd. :-)

vsbabolat
10-20-2008, 07:18 PM
My first racquet in 1978 was a Snauwaert Caravelle strung with Victor Imperial. What a beauty it was! Snauwaert made wonderful wood racquets and had some of the most skilled workers of the wood racquet era. True perfectionists. But they did not really handle the switch to graphite very well (although their Graphite Mid and the Dyno series were excellent frames) and had distribution problems outside of Europe. I think they went under around 1992. Their last generation of widebody frames (Dyneema S60, etc) were also pretty good. They tried to hire McEnroe as a last ditch effort, but all he did was stencil an "S" on his Max 200Gs. Their other sponsored players (Gottfried, Kodes, Smid, Gerulaitis, etc.) apparently did not do enough for the visibility of the brand. Snauwaert also had the first polyester string I can recall, called "Dyno" as well. It had the color of dark brown taffy (and played like it, too).

I remember when McEnroe Had the Snauwaert "S" stencil on the strings of his Dunlop Max 200G in 1990.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/John_McEnroe_1990_AusOpen_Snauwaert.jpg

JW10S
10-20-2008, 07:21 PM
Snauwaert made some terrific wood racquets. I was less impressed with their aluminum and graphite racquets but their wood racquets were great.

mctennis
11-03-2008, 04:24 AM
I have the one with the added stability shaft under the head to the grip.

Steve Huff
11-03-2008, 12:09 PM
I used the Boronite II for several years--even after the oversized frames started coming out. It was basically a wood frame with some boron to stiffen it/make it stronger in the throat area. It was thin, even for a wood frame. Had a sweetspot the size of a dime, but it really played well. I don't know whatever happened to it though. My wife swears she didn't throw it out, but I suspect she did.

treblings
11-03-2008, 12:17 PM
I used the Boronite II for several years--even after the oversized frames started coming out. It was basically a wood frame with some boron to stiffen it/make it stronger in the throat area. It was thin, even for a wood frame. Had a sweetspot the size of a dime, but it really played well. I don't know whatever happened to it though. My wife swears she didn't throw it out, but I suspect she did.

i seem to remember it. was that a black or dark colored racket?

Thepowerofchoice
11-05-2008, 07:53 PM
I saw many brand new Ergonom Graphite Tennis racquet by Snauwaert on :)bay in UK

treblings
11-05-2008, 10:25 PM
I saw many brand new Ergonom Graphite Tennis racquet by Snauwaert on :)bay in UK

yeah me too. and most of the time the rackets are described as "rare" in the product description:)

Rorsach
11-06-2008, 12:43 AM
I saw many brand new Ergonom Graphite Tennis racquet by Snauwaert on :)bay in UK

I bought one from that guy.

It would be rude not to for that money (about 5 quid)

treblings
11-06-2008, 06:11 AM
I bought one from that guy.

It would be rude not to for that money (about 5 quid)

:)agreed

actually it´s quite a good racket. played a double with it last week(seriously)

Thepowerofchoice
11-06-2008, 12:11 PM
:)agreed

actually it´s quite a good racket. played a double with it last week(seriously)

Great info. I think I'm going to buy one because of the great deal and to see people reaction when I pull this funky racquet out from my bag. Does anyone have the spec. on this racquet?

treblings
11-06-2008, 12:22 PM
Great info. I think I'm going to buy one because of the great deal and to see people reaction when I pull this funky racquet out from my bag. Does anyone have the spec. on this racquet?

Other people´s reaction is where the fun is with this racket:)
i put it on a scale, it´s 375g strung and with overgrip. heavier than i would have thought, but obviously head-light.
i can tell you it is very flexible. whether that´s the way the racket was supposed to be or just a matter of age is something i don´t know.

Colpo
11-07-2008, 07:13 AM
Great brand. My two favorites were the Pernfors and a dark-green, super-simple graphite mid that came out around the same time that Jonas B. Svensson and Mecir both used. Awesome feel, like it had a bouncy rubber core. The Pernfors was just beautifully balanced and of course also had great feel. Viva Belgian-made racquets!

plasma
11-07-2008, 07:53 AM
graphite dyno nwt (like r22 but smaller head!!!)
graphite mid (same head size and shape as my wps 85!)
graphite la grande (small headed mid 80?sq in)

I would like to be added as a new member, how about the rectangular rossignol like old skool grip, insane.....ahhhhh

plasma
02-13-2009, 01:00 PM
mods pls move this thread to CRT, I thought the snauwaert "S" was a check mark...took only 25 yrs. to figure out....

Bud
02-13-2009, 06:36 PM
^^^^^

You know who to call if you feel like thinning the herd. :-)

Especially with that Hi-Ten 30 :twisted:

ChocoLab
02-13-2009, 07:50 PM
I used the Graphite Mid when I first qualified for a USTA ranking in 14s. My dad never played tennis, but he said that was his favorite of all the dozen or so different rackets I used as a kid.

Interestingly, I bought a couple off **** a couple years ago for nostalgia's sake, and one of them was the exact same gray and red, but had a different name at the top. I believe it was maybe S2000 or something?... I think I still have one of the two somewhere -- maybe I'll post a pic of it.

And even though I never hit one or even saw one in person, I always loved the look of the Brian Gottfried wood model. Supposedly it was the same frame as the Gerulaitis (and IIRC preceded it) but with a more traditional paint scheme. I've even halfway thought about buying one of the new ones from TW.

Bud
02-13-2009, 10:54 PM
I saw many brand new Ergonom Graphite Tennis racquet by Snauwaert on :)bay in UK

I bought one from that guy.

It would be rude not to for that money (about 5 quid)

I bought a number of them from him (6 or so)... I have a feeling once his cache of Ergonoms is gone... that will be it! He somehow got the lion's share of the remaining deadstock frames from the Snauwaert factory/warehouses. I believe he had over 1,000 at one point. He's down to about 300-400 now.

Also, the exchange rate is favorable for the Dollar to Pound, currently... so you can pick up 4 Ergonoms, shipping included to the USA for about $58.00! :shock:

These are bound to be ultra-rare someday. He really drove the price into the ground, temporarily, by offering up so many Ergonoms to the market, at one time.

Imagine the lucky person who bought all the dead stock for the Hi-Tens!! :twisted:

Kirko
02-13-2009, 11:05 PM
An ode to the classic racquets from Snauwaert, the manufacturer from Belgium.

They were the first (afaik) to engrave the weight and balancepoint of that particular stick on the racquet, making it very easy to find comparable frames. And who can forgot their (failed) adventure with the Ergonom.
Some of the pro's that used Snauwaert were Mikael Pernfors, Vitas Gerulaitis and Miloslav Mečíř.


There's very little information about Snauwaert to be found on the internet, so anyone that has some info, please post it in this thread.

Also feel free to add pictures from your frames.


I'll start with my small collection from this innovative company (click the pics for the full screen version):


http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9594/img0803mz2.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0803mz2.jpg)http://img291.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Picture 1:
ATP Tour 103
ATP Tour 93
ATP Tour 85
Hi-Ten 50
Hi-Ten 30
Mikael Pernfors

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5290/img0804hq6.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0804hq6.jpg)
Picture 2:
Comp Dyno (2x)
Dyneema S60
Vitas Gerulaitis AUtograph

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/24/img0805in1.th.jpg (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0805in1.jpg)
Picture 3:
Ergonom
Comp Mid
Cosmos Pro
Graphite Mid

add Brad Gilbert to the list of pros .

Deuce
02-14-2009, 02:16 AM
My Serve

Your Serve

Kirko
02-14-2009, 06:23 AM
My Serve

Your Serve

oy you have a good memory Deuce !!! I forgot about that on the butt cap.

Dino Lagaffe
02-14-2009, 07:34 AM
Great info. I think I'm going to buy one because of the great deal and to see people reaction when I pull this funky racquet out from my bag. Does anyone have the spec. on this racquet?

I measured mine @:

Weight: 377 g / 13.30 oz
Flex: 51
SW: 347

Rorsach
02-20-2009, 04:13 AM
I got some more Snauwaerts. It looks like deadstock from the final days of the company:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2159/snauwaert1kq8.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snauwaert1kq8.jpg)

mctennis
02-21-2009, 05:15 AM
I've got one that has the extra brace down from the bottom of the head. I think it is a Eclipse something. It actually has Johnny Mac's signature on it that he is is on their committee.

Jdavid
02-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Some oldies I found lying around my parent's house...


Graphite Pro (brand new, unused), Graphite Composite, and Golden Dyno
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/3307928859_bced6c1380_b.jpg

Close up of Graphite Composite
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3571/3308759962_40921db8f4.jpg

And of course the old racquet bag
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/3308759102_89bdb15dae.jpg

Captain Haddock
02-25-2009, 06:51 AM
I actually had that racquet bag as a kid, but in blue!

Snauwaert also made tennis balls, sold in a brown metal can. I don't know if they manufactured them or had them made by another company and simply re-badged them. Probably the latter. There were interesting brands of tennis balls in the late seventies, like Tretorn, Pirelli, and Nassau.

goldenyama
02-25-2009, 06:59 AM
My Snauwaerts:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/P1010057.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/SnauwaertGraphiteDyno.jpg

Both acquired at thrift stores for a couple of bucks. Enjoy taking them out for a hit once in a while.

-k-

So...either that Hi-Ten 30 really has a headsize of 30sq in or it has the most open string pattern I have ever seen! That must produce some sick spin - what does it sound like when hitting a ball!?

netman
02-25-2009, 07:31 AM
So...either that Hi-Ten 30 really has a headsize of 30sq in or it has the most open string pattern I have ever seen! That must produce some sick spin - what does it sound like when hitting a ball!?

Its roughly a 95 head, so yes it is a very open string pattern that should be strung at a 80+ lb tension. That was the point of the design.

Sound isn't that unique. But you can almost slice fuzz off the ball with it. Unfortunately I don't have the thick gauge strings (12 or 13 gauge I think) that were recommended for it so I'm not close to tapping the true spin potential.

thomas martinez
02-25-2009, 05:53 PM
There is one rare frame which is almost impossible to find. Snauwaert did design McEnroe a frame. It looked just like the 200G in terms of beam shape, head size and the like. Even to the plastic a the top of the handle like the 200G. Differences were colour, it was a greyish colour. It had a different 18 x 19 string pattern I believe, and the third and most important difference, the materials. It was a conventional graphite lay up, unlike the grafil injection of the 200G. On another note about Johnny Mac, he did in the 80s use some other Dunlop frames, though sparingly. They were made in Germany frames, which had the different weighting systems you could adjust with the ball bearings. I forgot the models of them, he even used one at the US Open one year.

plasma
02-25-2009, 06:12 PM
I really wish that this fanclub didn't exist, these racquets are great and should be kept under the radar....mods who delete this thread will recieve choice of nwt lendl gtx pro or nwt prostaff (china) 85.

Virginia
02-25-2009, 06:29 PM
thomas martinez, that would be the Competition or Competition Plus, with the ball bearings. I have a brand new one, still has plastic on the handle and the tags too - made in West Germany and bought as deadstock from a German seller.

vsbabolat
02-25-2009, 06:47 PM
There is one rare frame which is almost impossible to find. Snauwaert did design McEnroe a frame. It looked just like the 200G in terms of beam shape, head size and the like. Even to the plastic a the top of the handle like the 200G. Differences were colour, it was a greyish colour. It had a different 18 x 19 string pattern I believe, and the third and most important difference, the materials. It was a conventional graphite lay up, unlike the grafil injection of the 200G. On another note about Johnny Mac, he did in the 80s use some other Dunlop frames, though sparingly. They were made in Germany frames, which had the different weighting systems you could adjust with the ball bearings. I forgot the models of them, he even used one at the US Open one year.

McEnroe used the Max Competition at the 1987 U.S. Open. I still have one along with a Slazenger Panther Pro Ceramic that was out of the same mold.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Mac1987.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Mac1987a.jpg

plasma
02-25-2009, 07:06 PM
very impressive that muscular connors with his tough game, and Mac who was loose like Muhammed Ali both enjoyed the same mold, thanks to Mr. T Martinez for the excellent account of the snauwaert 200g, heard of it but have never seen one, talk about a rare clone!!!!

jimbo333
02-27-2009, 02:32 AM
Yes the Snauwaert 200G would be a really rare one. I had also heard about this, but didn't know it was a Snauwaert frame?
If anyone out there has photos of this, please put them up here:):)

plasma
02-27-2009, 08:23 PM
ok mods, I've upped the bribe to 2 ps 85's or a 9/10 prestige pro, take my shnauwaerts off the radar...please!. Snauwaert was the Prince or Wilson back in the day in almost every country except the US, their quality was exceptional, their engineers were the best ever, descended form engineers who came from a company that I am sworn (by the son of its founder) not to mention. A an individual that designed and created the racquet of a repeated wimbeldon singles champ. The Snauwaert was 80's engineering brilliance defined. Even early in the century (circa 1925) they made kickass 3 prongs, mids, and everything you could imagine!!!

roundiesee
02-28-2009, 01:07 AM
I remember when I was a kid I used to wander into the sports section of the main dept store and ogle at all the beautiful Snauwaert woods hanging on the wall. They all looked so wonderfully different from the others, almost making the Maxplys and Kramers look vulgar! Didn't have any money then so could only hold them momentarily. If I could go back in time I would but them all up.....

dataseviltwin
03-14-2009, 10:26 PM
Out of 50 post hel... ummm... heck, and seeing if this works as planned.

3 Snauwaerts:
Ergonom, Graphite Composite, and Jan Kodes
http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/dataseviltwin/snauwaerts/?action=view&current=3snauwaerts-1.jpg

Jan Kodes Closeup
http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/dataseviltwin/snauwaerts/?action=view&current=snauwaert-Jan-Jodes-m.jpg

Graphite Comp Closeup
http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/dataseviltwin/snauwaerts/?action=view&current=snauwaert-yokecloseup.jpg

My fave's the Graphite Comp. Was used (not this particular one, but the model) by Kathy Rinaldi during her days in the juniors. Interesting thing about the Graphite Comp is that there's a tie-off string hole that "marries up" with another string hole on the inside of the racket (2 holes on the outside of the frame [one under the frame, one outside the frame], one on the inside).

Hopefully this works... :)

dataseviltwin
03-14-2009, 10:32 PM
Coolest racket ever... :)
Some oldies I found lying around my parent's house...


Graphite Pro (brand new, unused), Graphite Composite, and Golden Dyno
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/3307928859_bced6c1380_b.jpg

Close up of Graphite Composite
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3571/3308759962_40921db8f4.jpg

And of course the old racquet bag
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/3308759102_89bdb15dae.jpg

Virginia
03-15-2009, 01:29 AM
Is that Graphite Pro the Gerulaitis signature model? Mine has the signature on the handle and on the leather grip as well.

vsbabolat
03-15-2009, 01:33 AM
The photo of the Graphite Pro is the Original standard head size version. The Graphite Pro with Gerulaitis' signature is the Graphite Pro Mid. Not to be confused the the more flexible Graphite Mid that was a kind of grey color.

Virginia
03-15-2009, 01:44 AM
Ah, thanks for that, vsbabolat - I'm always truly amazed at your seemingly endless racquet knowledge. I'm an absolute novice in contrast. :)

May I ask whether you are or were involved in the racquet industry?

Rorsach
03-18-2009, 10:30 AM
There is one rare frame which is almost impossible to find. Snauwaert did design McEnroe a frame. It looked just like the 200G in terms of beam shape, head size and the like. Even to the plastic a the top of the handle like the 200G. Differences were colour, it was a greyish colour. It had a different 18 x 19 string pattern I believe, and the third and most important difference, the materials. It was a conventional graphite lay up, unlike the grafil injection of the 200G.

Managed to find a couple of pics of this mythical stick±

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1738/mce01.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1707/mce02.jpg

jimbo333
03-18-2009, 12:08 PM
WOW!!!

It certainly looks a bit like a 200G:)

Has grommets, not that that's a surprise mind you:)

plasma
03-19-2009, 09:26 AM
these come from somewhere back in my "long ago", guess I'm a fool for trying to re-create was has yet to be created...
http://i39.tinypic.com/notv1t.jpg

sentimental fool....someday.....somewhere....

vsbabolat
03-19-2009, 10:30 AM
Managed to find a couple of pics of this mythical stick±

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1738/mce01.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1707/mce02.jpg

Wow very cool.:)

retrowagen
03-19-2009, 11:44 AM
Wow very cool.:)

Indeed! Looks to have the same shape and architecture as the Max 200g, but it has the same stringing pattern as the Snauwaert Mid and Dyno series frames of the 80's! Very interesting...

Hannah19
03-20-2009, 12:55 PM
Just activated my acount today, love this forum. I bought my first Snauwaert when I was on holiday in the US back in 1981.
It was an aluminum racket, the one still sold on tenniswarehouse in the vintage racket section. Beautiful frame, played like a dream untill I dropped it hard on its head during a killer service. In 1986 I bought another Snauwaert in Austria. I don't know the model but it was black and had a white and red stripe on it. I believe it was a signature model from Gerulaitis. It had a normal round shaped head. If anyone has a picture, please post it!!
Recently I discovered that there is a lively collectorsmarket for vintage rackets. I was lucky enough, just like Rorsach, to get my hands on some Snauwaert deadstock here in Holland.
Not as many, but still!!
If you are looking for the Touch-H, Force-H, Grand-H, Touch-C or Touch-F, let me know!!

Hannah19
03-27-2009, 05:11 AM
Managed to find a couple of pics of this mythical stick±

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1738/mce01.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1707/mce02.jpg

I,m not sure about this being a Snauwaert.
I have got a Snauwaert MCE 001 which looks exactly like the one shown in the pics. Color, print layout, signature, everything is identical: except the fact that the frame is totally different. Slender, max. 15mm wide and has about a 95 sq.in. headsize.
The one in these pics looks like a 200G with the Snauwaert MCE 001 print on it, probably made for McEnroe for tournament play.
I could be wrong though, but it seems pointless to make two totally different versions of one and the same racquet, assuming this one is also called the MCE 001.

Rule26
03-27-2009, 05:25 AM
Count me in.

Ifound my old Boron .. I think it will be allowed in the wooden racquet challenges.. If it is I'll string it with the Pacific Blue Spiral mock Imperial.

jimbo333
03-27-2009, 05:38 AM
everything is identical: except the fact that the frame is totally different.

This made me laugh:)

Although I do see what you meant:)

Any chance of putting up photo of the other racquet?

Hannah19
03-27-2009, 11:45 AM
I want to put up some pictures if only I knew HOW!!:evil:

I just joined this forum and I have no clue how to upload pics.:confused:
Usually it is a breeze but here, I can't figure it out.
Does anyone else have a MCE 001 laying around or am I the only one who happened to stumble on one.

Let me know,
Regards, Hans (Holland).

vsbabolat
03-27-2009, 11:51 AM
I want to put up some pictures if only I knew HOW!!:evil:

I just joined this forum and I have no clue how to upload pics.:confused:
Usually it is a breeze but here, I can't figure it out.
Does anyone else have a MCE 001 laying around or am I the only one who happened to stumble on one.

Let me know,
Regards, Hans (Holland).

You have down load them first to imageshack.com or photobucket.com some sort of images hosting site. Then paste the IMG code into your post.

McEnroe with the Snauwaert "S" stencil on the strings of his Dunlop Max 200G in 1990.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/John_McEnroe_1990_AusOpen_Snauwaert.jpg

Rorsach
03-31-2009, 08:23 AM
Made a string logo for all those ancient Snauwaert sticks. Just print and cut it out.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U3MCNQ2H

plasma
03-31-2009, 10:39 AM
is that John McEnroe or Tony Montana???
http://i41.tinypic.com/2i7r1us.jpg
ju khannoh be serious mhayne, dis ball is on dha ligne mhayne....

ilian
04-25-2009, 02:23 PM
McEnroe used the Max Competition at the 1987 U.S. Open. I still have one along with a Slazenger Panther Pro Ceramic that was out of the same mold.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Mac1987.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Mac1987a.jpg

I hold the Slanzenger Panther Pro Ceramic in my hands, while I am looking at the pictures of the Dunlop Max Competition and it seems to me as if they are not exactly the same. The Dunlop seems to have a longer graphite piece below the throat hole, before the grip starts...

vsbabolat
04-25-2009, 03:05 PM
I hold the Slanzenger Panther Pro Ceramic in my hands, while I am looking at the pictures of the Dunlop Max Competition and it seems to me as if they are not exactly the same. The Dunlop seems to have a longer graphite piece below the throat hole, before the grip starts...

McEnroe does not have the grip wrapped all the way to the top. I own both the Dunlop Max Competition and the Panther Pro Ceramic they are identical molds.

P.S. they are one piece racquets.

gpt
04-26-2009, 06:33 PM
This is a great read so thanks for all the info. I have a Snauwaert Gerulaitis wood . It's a Vitas Champion. I am familiar with the Vitas Autograph but know nothing about the champion. Saw plenty of Auto's here in Australia in the 80's. The champ is predominantly silver with red and blue. It's Belgian made of ash with a fibre reinforced head. Is this a lower end racquet? It has a lovely brown leather grip with Snauwaert written in gold along with Vitas' signature. Any info would be appreciated.

Gorecki
06-20-2009, 10:15 AM
hi there guys... what do we reckon about the Snauwaert Dyno Masters?

not the blue one but a mate black with a blue gold stripe in pro staff classic fashion!


i have just found one....

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm24/lambfreack/P1010078.jpg

ilian
06-20-2009, 10:44 AM
McEnroe does not have the grip wrapped all the way to the top. I own both the Dunlop Max Competition and the Panther Pro Ceramic they are identical molds.

P.S. they are one piece racquets.

Do they feel the same way in play? Are they made of the same materials? Every now and then I see one of those Dunlops for sale and I am very tempted to buy it, but I always think that since the Panther Pro Ceramic is the same racquet, I don't really need another...

vsbabolat
06-20-2009, 10:50 AM
Do they feel the same way in play? Are they made of the same materials? Every now and then I see one of those Dunlops for sale and I am very tempted to buy it, but I always think that since the Panther Pro Ceramic is the same racquet, I don't really need another...

The Max Competition is Graphite and Kevlar. I liked the Max Competition better it felt like it was more flexible to me.

Back in the 80's the racquet companies would make many racquets using the same mold but would change the layup.

ilian
06-20-2009, 11:12 AM
The Max Competition is Graphite and Kevlar. I liked the Max Competition better it felt like it was more flexible to me.

Back in the 80's the racquet companies would make many racquets using the same mold but would change the layup.

Thanks for that info! I might get one of the Dunlops then. You made me curious... I love flexible racquets and there is no better decade than the 80s for that since then they made them more flexible.

PSO67
07-27-2009, 12:42 PM
Used to have a few, the greenish ones that Miroslav Mecir played with - what's the model called?

ericsson
07-27-2009, 10:44 PM
Used to have a few, the greenish ones that Miroslav Mecir played with - what's the model called?

"Graphite Mid" , wonderful stick!

NoNameZ
07-30-2009, 12:04 PM
I have a Snauwaert Ellipse-Touch H. Is that any good? Specs? Thanks in advance

Rorsach
07-30-2009, 12:23 PM
I have a Snauwaert Ellipse-Touch H. Is that any good? Specs? Thanks in advance

Specs are mostly on the frame itself. It's 93 sq.in. and a stiffness rating of 70 (i think, it's on the top of the hoop). Weight is 326 grams iirc.

Check here: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=246578

NoNameZ
07-31-2009, 10:20 AM
Thanks a lot Rorsach! It's a nice racket. The only thing was the strings were strung a bit too low. Recommendations?

Rule26
11-23-2009, 04:00 PM
I only had a chance to briefly take a few hits with my Boronite II this summer and put it away. My club is having a charity wooden racquet doubles tournament this weekend, so I had it restrung with the blue spiral gut.

Just wanted to share my hour of practice at the expense of a doubles match.

Wow - you really could feel the flex on every hit. I thought my serves would suffer the most, but while serving conservatively - at just under the same speed as usual, (not really trying to do anything except making clean contact with good spin) there seemed to be plenty of power available.

I could tell that I wasn't able to generate as much topspin on all shots, but the forehand really felt good.

My backhand return / half volleys & blocks really suffered from a lack of power.

Once I seemed to adjust to the racquet, I was better able to hit through the ball on the backhand.

My opponents did not notice much of a difference in whether the ball was heavier or lighter but did comment that it was unfair that I was practicing with it at the expense of our doubles league. Without going into scoring - they still kept the ball away from me even though I wasn't able to be as much of a factor as usual.

Anyway - I just hoping to honor Snauwaert when I play this weekend.

destan
01-08-2010, 03:29 PM
I have a pair of Snauwaert Golden Mids, given to me by a friend.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/tandesmond/SnauwaertGM.jpg

There are some numbers engraved on the racket (eg, "4, 360, 310") - assume that it is the Grip size, weight, balance(?).

Does anyone know the full specs (Head size, balance, etc)?

mctennis
01-10-2010, 10:53 AM
I have a Snauwaert Ellipse-Touch H. Is that any good? Specs? Thanks in advance

I've got the same racquet. That's the one that has Johnny Mac's signature on the side as part of their "team".

chrisheile
01-24-2010, 05:00 PM
Ellipse Pro-C. 2 bucks at a garage sale this summer. Had it restrung and regripped. Plays pretty well.

heathcliff
04-27-2010, 01:47 PM
did vitas gerulaitis also play a wooden-composite racket? does anybody know?

retrowagen
04-27-2010, 02:47 PM
did vitas gerulaitis also play a wooden-composite racket? does anybody know?
Yes, Snauwaert had an open-throated midsized Wood/Graphite composite with attractive black and grey cosmetics called the Gerulatis Mid, although at the time, Gerulatis used the Brian Gottfried Mid, which was a bit stiffer and had black/red/orange cosmetics. Miloslav Mecir used the Gottfried Mid at the same time, FWIW. There was a identical twin to the Gottfried Mid with Tomas Smid's name on it - same laminations and compositions and colorway, otherwise... thus if one wanted to show his support of Smid, he didn't need to compromise any racquet performance! :)

jimbo333
04-27-2010, 03:17 PM
Yes, Snauwaert had an open-throated midsized Wood/Graphite composite with attractive black and grey cosmetics called the Gerulatis Mid, although at the time, Gerulatis used the Brian Gottfried Mid, which was a bit stiffer and had black/red/orange cosmetics. Miloslav Mecir used the Gottfried Mid at the same time, FWIW. There was a identical twin to the Gottfried Mid with Tomas Smid's name on it - same laminations and compositions and colorway, otherwise... thus if one wanted to show his support of Smid, he didn't need to compromise any racquet performance! :)

LOL, what happened if you really liked the racquet, but didn't like Gerulaitis, Gottfried or Smid then:)

Oh, and I have seen a photo of Gerulaitis using the Black/Grey Mid version as well as the Gottfried!

schu47
04-27-2010, 03:20 PM
I have a pair of Snauwaert Golden Mids, given to me by a friend.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/tandesmond/SnauwaertGM.jpg

There are some numbers engraved on the racket (eg, "4, 360, 310") - assume that it is the Grip size, weight, balance(?).

Does anyone know the full specs (Head size, balance, etc)?

Beautiful racquets, destan. Sorry I don't know the specs. Your guess about the numbers engraved on the racket seem right. Snauwaert produced such a variety of racquets, and so many innovative ones.

heathcliff
04-27-2010, 03:21 PM
Yes, Snauwaert had an open-throated midsized Wood/Graphite composite with attractive black and grey cosmetics called the Gerulatis Mid, although at the time, Gerulatis used the Brian Gottfried Mid, which was a bit stiffer and had black/red/orange cosmetics. Miloslav Mecir used the Gottfried Mid at the same time, FWIW. There was a identical twin to the Gottfried Mid with Tomas Smid's name on it - same laminations and compositions and colorway, otherwise... thus if one wanted to show his support of Smid, he didn't need to compromise any racquet performance! :)

thanks for the info...
i´ve recently watched a gerulaitis-match from the 84-us open. he played a racket which indeed looked similar to the gottfried mid with different paintings ( blue/white or something)

retrowagen
04-28-2010, 05:59 PM
I have a pair of Snauwaert Golden Mids, given to me by a friend.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/tandesmond/SnauwaertGM.jpg

There are some numbers engraved on the racket (eg, "4, 360, 310") - assume that it is the Grip size, weight, balance(?).

Does anyone know the full specs (Head size, balance, etc)?

Head size of the Snauwaert Golden Mid was exactly 539 cm2. Balance was, as you guessed, 310mm; weight, 360g. This model was the stiffest of the oval-shaped line of Snauwaert composite mids offered in 1984-1985, a composite of graphite, glassfibre, aramide (Kevlar) braids, foam core, and one wood element within.

retrowagen
04-28-2010, 06:02 PM
thanks for the info...
i´ve recently watched a gerulaitis-match from the 84-us open. he played a racket which indeed looked similar to the gottfried mid with different paintings ( blue/white or something)
That would be the "Gerulatis Graphite Mid" of 1984-1985, his signature fiberglass-faced, wood-graphite composite mid (541 cm2). This model was a bit more flexible than the Gottfried Graphite Mid and its twin, the Smid Graphite Mid (both also fiberglass-faced wood-graphite 541cm2 mids of the same vintage).

jimbo333
04-29-2010, 02:32 AM
That would be the "Gerulatis Graphite Mid" of 1984-1985, his signature fiberglass-faced, wood-graphite composite mid (541 cm2). This model was a bit more flexible than the Gottfried Graphite Mid and its twin, the Smid Graphite Mid (both also fiberglass-faced wood-graphite 541cm2 mids of the same vintage).

And what about the Meso Graphite One?

heathcliff
05-01-2010, 02:26 PM
is it true that miloslav mecir used his wooden-composite-snauwaert until the end of his career?

zapvor
05-02-2010, 05:40 PM
i just picked up a snauwert yesturday. not even sure what model it is lol

hastings
05-30-2010, 07:48 PM
I have a Snauwaert super light magnesium. Does anyone have any information on this racket? Thanks in advance.

dak95_00
07-31-2010, 09:11 AM
What is this? My friend picked it up at the Goodwill Store for $5.50. Is that a good deal?

It came with a nice full bag and would appear new except for one scuff/scrape on the top that is approx. 1". It has no bumper guard. The paint is a metallic green w/ a gold pinstripe. I can't tell what it is made of; wood, graphite, both, something else??? It also has a very nice leather grip that says "Snauwaert."

It only has on the top "Snauwaert" at the top of the throat and "Miloslav Mecir" at the top of the head. On the side is the only other writing for this racquet which is "Made with precision in Belgium by Snauwaert & Delpa."

Please ignor my feet in the 1st pic. The second pic is to show that the strings are inset into the fram like a wooden racquet.

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/mike001.jpg

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/mike002.jpg

Thanks for your help.

Rorsach
07-31-2010, 09:40 AM
It's a beauty for sure. I've been looking for this one for a while now, but it usually fetches quite a price.

Snauwaert didn't really have the inclination of putting players names on frames if they didn't use them, so i'm guessing this is the frame Mecir used (and it looks like a wood or wood/graphite hybrid).

If you have the chance to take some more pics, please post them up.

vsbabolat
07-31-2010, 12:42 PM
What is this? My friend picked it up at the Goodwill Store for $5.50. Is that a good deal?

It came with a nice full bag and would appear new except for one scuff/scrape on the top that is approx. 1". It has no bumper guard. The paint is a metallic green w/ a gold pinstripe. I can't tell what it is made of; wood, graphite, both, something else??? It also has a very nice leather grip that says "Snauwaert."

It only has on the top "Snauwaert" at the top of the throat and "Miloslav Mecir" at the top of the head. On the side is the only other writing for this racquet which is "Made with precision in Belgium by Snauwaert & Delpa."

Please ignor my feet in the 1st pic. The second pic is to show that the strings are inset into the fram like a wooden racquet.

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/mike001.jpg

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/mike002.jpg

Thanks for your help.

That is a Graphite Wood Le Grande with green paint. Snauwaert also did up Brian Gottfried, Tomas Smid, and Vitas Gerulaitis versions as well with the only difference I knew was the cosmetics.
Mecir was literally the last guy on Tour using a Wood racquet. A midsize wood racquet reinforced with graphite.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Mecir_a.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/Mecir_b.jpg

heathcliff
08-22-2010, 04:14 AM
does anyone know the specs if the graphite orbit, esp the material. i´ve read it was made partly of wood...

Hannah19
09-03-2010, 01:36 PM
Hi Heathcliff,
The Graphite Orbit is a mix of Graphite/fiberglass and aramid (kevlar) fibres. In Kuebler's book it says that the Superlight Orbit is made of laminated wood but that's a mistake on his part. I have a superlight orbit and it's a graphite composite like the graphit orbit but then lighter.
I can only give you spec from the Orbit Superlight.
weight: 325 gr (4 3/8) balance point:300 mm strings: 16x18
headsize: 85

Regards, Hans

vsbabolat
09-03-2010, 02:49 PM
Hi Heathcliff,
The Graphite Orbit is a mix of Graphite/fiberglass and aramid (kevlar) fibres. In Kuebler's book it says that the Superlight Orbit is made of laminated wood but that's a mistake on his part. I have a superlight orbit and it's a graphite composite like the graphit orbit but then lighter.
I can only give you spec from the Orbit Superlight.
weight: 325 gr (4 3/8) balance point:300 mm strings: 16x18
headsize: 85

Regards, Hans

There are apparently a lot of mistakes in that book and people should not take as the gospel.

vitasGremembered
09-03-2010, 03:16 PM
Here were my Snauwaerts in college:

http://www.woodtennis.com/wBosworth/vitasG2.jpg

heathcliff
09-04-2010, 01:47 PM
[QUOTE=Hannah19;5012893]Hi Heathcliff,
The Graphite Orbit is a mix of Graphite/fiberglass and aramid (kevlar) fibres. In Kuebler's book it says that the Superlight Orbit is made of laminated wood but that's a mistake on his part. I have a superlight orbit and it's a graphite composite like the graphit orbit but then lighter.
I can only give you spec from the Orbit Superlight.
weight: 325 gr (4 3/8) balance point:300 mm strings: 16x18
headsize: 85

Regards, Hans[/QUth

thanks for the info. i was wondering because i´ve read that miloslav mecir played with a wooden racket throughout his career. but he also played an orbit or a racket that looked like an orbit ( i think in 87)

retrowagen
09-04-2010, 04:51 PM
The Graphite Orbit was a new graphic on the old Graphite Mid frame for 1987. It was a graphite/fiberglass composite with a foam core and one thin wood element in its core for vibration dampening.

Miloslav Mecir did play with a few different graphics on the Snauwaert midsize woods, commencing with the last version of the LaGrande, then the Brian Gottfried Graphite Mid (during the most successful period of his ATP career), then to the eponymous version of the frame. He did, for a short while, try to use a graphite/fiberglass composite mid, but it seemed he didn't like it much, and reverted back to his wood composites. Then back troubles ended his career, much too soon.

Steve Huff
09-04-2010, 06:51 PM
I used a Boronite II in the early 80's. I wish I still had it, but I think my wife threw it out during one of our moves. I have some Ellipse Touch models, some Ergonoms, Vital Gerulitis woods, and some La Grandes, and a couple more wood/graphite comps from Snauwaert. One of my favorite tennis frame producers of all time.

heathcliff
09-07-2010, 12:50 AM
The Graphite Orbit was a new graphic on the old Graphite Mid frame for 1987. It was a graphite/fiberglass composite with a foam core and one thin wood element in its core for vibration dampening.

Miloslav Mecir did play with a few different graphics on the Snauwaert midsize woods, commencing with the last version of the LaGrande, then the Brian Gottfried Graphite Mid (during the most successful period of his ATP career), then to the eponymous version of the frame. He did, for a short while, try to use a graphite/fiberglass composite mid, but it seemed he didn't like it much, and reverted back to his wood composites. Then back troubles ended his career, much too soon.

then he must have painted his rackets to make them look like the modern one?

Leo
09-15-2010, 04:31 AM
Dear friends, someone has some information about the racket Snauwaert composite-orbit? Any pro used it?
http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-94912057-hermosa-raqueta-snauwaert-graphite-con-funda--_JM
Thank you very much :confused:

petema99
09-26-2010, 03:54 AM
What do you guys think about the Boron Mid?? how does it compare to the ps85 - i've heard it's very similar in specs and shape etc.

i have an opportunity to buy a brand new one... what would you say is a reasonable price for one of these with plastic on the grip?

Rorsach
02-13-2011, 11:14 PM
Found another "new" (for me at least) Snauwaert paintjob.

We all know the much loved Snauwaert Mikael Pernfors:
http://80s-tennis.com/images/updates_dez08/snauwaert-pernfors-1.jpg

For some reason the latest addition to my collection is exactly the same stick, but with the name changed. It says "GRAPHITE MP OVER":
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5139/5444072737_6b714237bc_z.jpg

Hannah19
02-14-2011, 03:16 AM
Hi Rorsach,

can you tell me the differences, I have so many frames that seem to have come from the M.P. mould: Comp Over, Anniversary, MCE 001, Comp 40.
Just another pj or totally different compositions?

retrowagen
02-14-2011, 07:09 AM
I wonder if the Pernfors MP was actually made from the Wimbledon ("100% Graphite") mould - the frame Pernfors used (including his run in the French Open) prior to signing with Snauwaert (and the same frame used by Joakim Nystrom during his best years on the ATP Tour)... If anyone has an example of both in his or her collection, it'd be nice to see a comparison.

Rorsach
02-14-2011, 07:23 AM
I thought it was the other way around. He used a Snauwaert which was painted as a Wimbledon later.

retrowagen
02-14-2011, 07:49 AM
I thought it was the other way around. He used a Snauwaert which was painted as a Wimbledon later.

I don't think so. Nystorm was using that racquet as early as 1984 or 1985; at the time, the only oversized or midplus size Snauwaert was the old Fortissimo series, whose mould is quite different.

Rorsach
02-14-2011, 08:06 AM
This one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/nylanmana/3428946435/

retrowagen
02-14-2011, 08:36 AM
This one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/nylanmana/3428946435/
Almost, not quite. The version in question was approximately 98 sq-in, not the 88 sq-in version as shown in that link.

vsbabolat
02-14-2011, 08:37 AM
I thought it was the other way around. He used a Snauwaert which was painted as a Wimbledon later.

No, The Wimbledon Graphgite came out first. Pernfors got to the finals of the 1986 French Open using it with the old Babolat "VS" stenciled on the string with the double line.


Nystrom had switched from the Rossignol F200 to the Wimbledon Graphite in around 1984.

daveyboy
02-14-2011, 02:26 PM
The Wimbledon graphite and snauwaert pernfors are the same frame, the Wimbledon came out first. If I'm right, they both came from a company called kunnan which produced graphite frames for lots of companies back then.

I'll put the two together, side by side, a little later and snap a pic for all to see.

retrowagen
02-14-2011, 02:54 PM
The Wimbledon graphite and snauwaert pernfors are the same frame, the Wimbledon came out first. If I'm right, they both came from a company called kunnan which produced graphite frames for lots of companies back then.

I'll put the two together, side by side, a little later and snap a pic for all to see.
Kunnan is the parent company of the Pro Kennex house brand, and OEM to many brands of tennis gear, including Wimbledon and Prince in the 1980's...

Does your Snauwaert Pernfors have any indication as to whether it was produced in Belgium or elsewhere? I believe Snauwaert was one of the stalwart European producers, who didn't resort to asian production until the mid-1990's (although I could be mistaken).

vsbabolat
02-14-2011, 05:58 PM
The Wimbledon graphite and snauwaert pernfors are the same frame, the Wimbledon came out first. If I'm right, they both came from a company called kunnan which produced graphite frames for lots of companies back then.

I'll put the two together, side by side, a little later and snap a pic for all to see.

AFAIK Snauwaert Pernfors Auto was made in Belgium. Not by Kunnan Lo in Taiwan.
http://80s-tennis.com/pages/snauwaert_mikael-pernfors-autograph.html

Howard Head
02-16-2011, 12:12 AM
Hello,I'll join the Snauwaert fan club with mine Ergonom mint condition :)

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa465/Howard-Head/SnauwaertErgonom.jpg

Hannah19
02-16-2011, 05:29 PM
AFAIK Snauwaert Pernfors Auto was made in Belgium. Not by Kunnan Lo in Taiwan.
http://80s-tennis.com/pages/snauwaert_mikael-pernfors-autograph.html

You're right. Snauwaert's were made in Belgium until the beginning of the 1990's. After that, they moved to Portugal for their manufacturing and finally, when Rucanor of the Netherlands owned the brandname, they had all frames produced in the Far East. Rucanor had a good relationship with Kunnan since all of their rackets were produced by that company in the past.

retrowagen
03-17-2011, 11:46 AM
Wow, did any of you follow the auction of the nice Hi Ten 30 on the big auction site this last week? I was surprised by the ending price... but then again, how often do these rare and special modern classics appear for sale?

racquetfreak
03-17-2011, 06:20 PM
Wow, did any of you follow the auction of the nice Hi Ten 30 on the big auction site this last week? I was surprised by the ending price... but then again, how often do these rare and special modern classics appear for sale?

i was not surprised at all. i think this is probably an example of demand resulting from discussion of rare and desirable classics in this forum. i also know that players that have a history with these frames are searching for more of them. the winner in the auction mentioned above has been buying up quite a few highly sought-after frames such as a volkl zebra in nice condition last week.

retrowagen
03-17-2011, 07:21 PM
i was not surprised at all. i think this is probably an example of demand resulting from discussion of rare and desirable classics in this forum. i also know that players that have a history with these frames are searching for more of them. the winner in the auction mentioned above has been buying up quite a few highly sought-after frames such as a volkl zebra in nice condition last week.

This person must be quite the knowledgable racquet enthusiast.

I was pleased to snap up a really nice Snauwaert Golden Mid, and a Prince Graphite Comp Series 90 cheaply this week.

CzechM8
03-18-2011, 06:38 AM
After hitting with some wooden frames I've become hooked on the experience and started looking for some playable ones. I've just come across a Snauwaert on a Czech auction site. It seems to be in great condition:
http://img14.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/15/13/17/14/1513171450

Does anyone have any info on this frame? I'm counting 18x21 strings :shock:
Any info will be much appreciated.

coachrick
03-18-2011, 07:38 AM
AFAIK Snauwaert Pernfors Auto was made in Belgium. Not by Kunnan Lo in Taiwan.
http://80s-tennis.com/pages/snauwaert_mikael-pernfors-autograph.html

We sold a fair number of those in Atlanta(actually Doraville!) back in those days('86/'87). Both Pernfors and Steven(Stephen/Stefan?) Snauwaert lived in Atlanta during part of the '80s/'90s. Unfortunately, quite a few of the Pernfors models snapped in the shoulders/throat and the frame had a limited 'shelf life'. Nice looking stick, as were most of the Snauwaerts(especially wood and wood composites).

Kal-El 34
03-20-2011, 06:16 PM
just strung up this baby

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/Kal-El34/swert.jpg

Hannah19
03-23-2011, 11:46 AM
i was not surprised at all. i think this is probably an example of demand resulting from discussion of rare and desirable classics in this forum. i also know that players that have a history with these frames are searching for more of them. the winner in the auction mentioned above has been buying up quite a few highly sought-after frames such as a volkl zebra in nice condition last week.

TT or not, these HI-TEN's are regarded as THE rackets to have for serious collectors.
I do some trading myself and these Snauwaert's are on top all my clients wishlists. Together with the GTX-PRO-T, Pro Legend Classic, Vario mid, Eguijet etc, etc.

Roadway
03-29-2011, 05:16 AM
My Snauwert Graphite Mid cracked when tensioned 60lbs. Very sad.

Uncle_Serge
03-31-2011, 04:00 AM
Guys! Please help :) In Russia the Snauwaert is rare brand and almost nobody can name it correct. Please advise correct pronunsiation! :)
(how Belgian or French people pronounce this name) :)

Sno-u-or?????:confused:

Rorsach
03-31-2011, 04:26 AM
Snauwaert:

S
N
AUW pronounced the as the "OU" from "OUCH"
AERT pronounced as the "ART" from "FART", with a bit of an "E" in there.

Hannah19
03-31-2011, 01:44 PM
After hitting with some wooden frames I've become hooked on the experience and started looking for some playable ones. I've just come across a Snauwaert on a Czech auction site. It seems to be in great condition:
http://img14.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/15/13/17/14/1513171450

Does anyone have any info on this frame? I'm counting 18x21 strings :shock:
Any info will be much appreciated.

No info on this racket in Kuebler's book.
Could be a special paintjob for a large retailstore.

vsbabolat
03-31-2011, 02:50 PM
I wonder if anyone from the Snauwaert family ever reads these threads about the great racquets they once made......

Uncle_Serge
03-31-2011, 09:20 PM
Snauwaert:

S
N
AUW pronounced the as the "OU" from "OUCH"
AERT pronounced as the "ART" from "FART", with a bit of an "E" in there.

If origin of this name is French (or Belgian, that's almost the same) the "t" on the end I guess shouldn't be pronounced... For example, "Guy Forget", "Ives Saint-Laurent" etc.

Remember how changed pronounciation the name of Mary Pierce when she started to play for France...

Rorsach
03-31-2011, 10:34 PM
If origin of this name is French (or Belgian, that's almost the same) the "t" on the end I guess shouldn't be pronounced... For example, "Guy Forget", "Ives Saint-Laurent" etc.

Remember how changed pronounciation the name of Mary Pierce when she started to play for France...

Belgian and French almost the same? Don't let them hear it.

Most people named Snauwaert are in the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium (or at least, as far as Google knows), so it all just depends.

vsbabolat
04-01-2011, 05:28 AM
^^^^^
Snauwaert is a Flemish name. Snauwaert & Depla N.V. was located in the town of Roeselare.

retrowagen
04-01-2011, 08:02 AM
I know we have some Flemish "regulars" on this forum, perhaps they could check in and educate us with authority.

It was my understanding that the best Flemish approximation for the fluent English speaker is to say, "Snow - Art." Pretty easy.

Rorsach
04-01-2011, 08:16 AM
I know we have some Flemish "regulars" on this forum, perhaps they could check in and educate us with authority.

It was my understanding that the best Flemish approximation for the fluent English speaker is to say, "Snow - Art." Pretty easy.

Nah, it's not "snow".

At least, afaik and i live about 5km from the border with belgium in the Netherlands.

retrowagen
04-01-2011, 08:35 AM
Nah, it's not "snow".

At least, afaik and i live about 5km from the border with belgium in the Netherlands.

OK, well you would certainly know then! :) I don't speak Dutch or Flemish, but lernt English and German in my home growing up, and have travelled through the NL and Belgium quite a bit. Thanks for the help... always learning something new!

Rorsach
04-01-2011, 08:38 AM
Someone put the Batsignal out for Ericsson, he's Belgian, isn't he?

Hannah19
04-01-2011, 02:47 PM
Nah, it's not "snow".

At least, afaik and i live about 5km from the border with belgium in the Netherlands.

Yes, you're right.

It's more like saying "now" with an "S" in front.
The "art" I can live with.
So: S-now-art

subz
04-01-2011, 03:38 PM
A friend of mine went to a thrift store and bought this racquet. He showed it to me and I took some pictures. It looks old, since its wood :) Does anyone has an idea how old this racquet is and how much is it worth ? Thanks. Enjoy the pictures:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2eczu2s.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/28a2f4l.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/102ns51.jpg

subz
04-01-2011, 03:39 PM
^^^^^sorry for the big size of the pictures :/

tandayu
04-02-2011, 09:12 AM
http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/klamathprestige/s1.jpg

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/klamathprestige/s2.jpg

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/klamathprestige/sw1.jpg

jazar
04-02-2011, 10:36 AM
I got an Ergonom. Snauwaert were obviously ahead of the times as its a grip size 0. BTW, has anyone got the correct string pattern for the Ergonom?

Dags
04-02-2011, 10:58 AM
I got an Ergonom. Snauwaert were obviously ahead of the times as its a grip size 0. BTW, has anyone got the correct string pattern for the Ergonom?

I was given one to string a while back, and I found the following somewhere on the internet (but I can't remember where):

Head Size: 90 sq. in. / 581 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 13.4oz / 380g
Balance: 5pts Head Light
Swingweight: 353
Stiffness: 50 Beam
Width: 20 mm
Straight Beam Composition: Graphite
Power Level: Low
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Leather
String Pattern:
16 Mains / 18 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,8H
One Piece
Shared Holes: 9T,9H
String Tension: 50-60 pounds

In my notes I've written that the short side is the side with the handle, and that the mains start at the head - if I remember, there's a marking on the frame itself indicating the loop. I also remember having to mount it off-centre to fit it on my 6-point mounting machine. I used a 16 gauge syn gut at 50 lbs, and it cut through the grommets on the outside of the frame like a knife through butter :-(. If I was doing it again, I'd drop the tension way down, and consider tubing every hole.

jazar
04-02-2011, 11:58 AM
In my notes I've written that the short side is the side with the handle, and that the mains start at the head - if I remember, there's a marking on the frame itself indicating the loop. I also remember having to mount it off-centre to fit it on my 6-point mounting machine. I used a 16 gauge syn gut at 50 lbs, and it cut through the grommets on the outside of the frame like a knife through butter :-(. If I was doing it again, I'd drop the tension way down, and consider tubing every hole.

Ta. When I strung mine last year I knew I was using the wrong string pattern. Did it at 45 in a multi. The grommets are indeed very brittle. Most of them survived intact, but I had to tube a few.

Rock Strongo
04-02-2011, 01:49 PM
I have NO idea about this racquet. My sister gave it to me along with an old Maxply Fort.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2j5njuu.jpg
Any Snauwaert boffins who've seen this? Also, Apologies for the bad picture. This was taken with the WORST camera ever.

subz
04-02-2011, 04:44 PM
^^^^^ it looks from the same era as the one I have posted. See post 147.
It would be nice to know what Snauwaert fans know about the two racquets . So please comment :)

Rock Strongo
04-02-2011, 04:54 PM
Oh that reminds me. I once passed on an absolutely new VitAutograph which was sold for next to nothing. Silly me...

Hannah19
04-03-2011, 01:48 PM
^^^^^ it looks from the same era as the one I have posted. See post 147.
It would be nice to know what Snauwaert fans know about the two racquets . So please comment :)

The Topaz was, along with the Aquamarine, Quartz, Onyx Junior and Sapphire, one of the best selling rackets during its existance.
They were called: Talent series and were low priced but value for money.
This Topaz you have is one of the first of several paintjobs.
It was produced from 1977 until 1979.

The world Star was produced from 1973 until 1976.
(source: Kuebler's Book of Tennisrackets)

subz
04-04-2011, 02:57 PM
^^^^ Thank you Hannah19 ! Do you have an idea how much is the World Star worth now as a collectable ?

ericsson
04-05-2011, 02:09 AM
Belgian and French almost the same? Don't let them hear it.

Most people named Snauwaert are in the Dutch-speaking part of Belgium (or at least, as far as Google knows), so it all just depends.

OMG, he clearly doesnt follow our politics here ;-)

Yes Snauwaert is a Flemish name and company.

^^^^^
Snauwaert is a Flemish name. Snauwaert & Depla N.V. was located in the town of Roeselare.

Correct, infact it was Located in Beveren which is a village in the city of Roeselare in West-Flanders. ( street was Brabantstraat nr. 9)

I know we have some Flemish "regulars" on this forum, perhaps they could check in and educate us with authority.

It was my understanding that the best Flemish approximation for the fluent English speaker is to say, "Snow - Art." Pretty easy.

No, like Ror already mentioned, it is not snow and certainly not art :-)

Hannah19
04-05-2011, 12:44 PM
^^^^ Thank you Hannah19 ! Do you have an idea how much is the World Star worth now as a collectable ?

That depends...Snauwaert's collectables are more the 1970's-80's rackets with big names (Mecir, Gerulaitis etc.) or the odd ones like the Ergonom and Hi-ten series.
The older frames are less sought after but you may end up finding a collector who will pay up to $50 or so for it.
Finding that person is the big problem....:)

Richard Parnell
04-06-2011, 08:56 PM
Hi Guys,

I have a load of old Snauwaert frames, wood and some others ( la Grande and some fiber ones) but there was a sub brand sold and made by Snauwaert which was Bentley. Does anyone have more info on these as at the time they were more expensive than Snauwaert and the wood finish was better (or seemed it).

Thanks

ericsson
04-06-2011, 10:55 PM
Hi Guys,

I have a load of old Snauwaert frames, wood and some others ( la Grande and some fiber ones) but there was a sub brand sold and made by Snauwaert which was Bentley. Does anyone have more info on these as at the time they were more expensive than Snauwaert and the wood finish was better (or seemed it).

Thanks

Hi Richard, yes Bentley was their luxury brand and they were a little higher in quality (and price ;-)
I had a few of these at home

http://i54.tinypic.com/4uj3ic.jpg

Richard Parnell
04-06-2011, 11:25 PM
Thanks Ericson,

I have a load of Brand new Bentley frames, so one of these days when I am in Belgium we can do a trade.

I will post some pics soon,
Take care
Ric

Hannah19
04-07-2011, 01:51 PM
Hi Guys,

I have a load of old Snauwaert frames, wood and some others ( la Grande and some fiber ones) but there was a sub brand sold and made by Snauwaert which was Bentley. Does anyone have more info on these as at the time they were more expensive than Snauwaert and the wood finish was better (or seemed it).

Thanks

Bentley was a trade mark established in Germany in 1967 by Kurt Klemmer.
He was Germany's Snauwaert distributer and they decided to sell Snauwaert made rackets under this brand name. Activities stopped in 1981.
A similar cooperation developed in the Netherlands where a large retailer named Temming en Zonen (Temming & Sons) joint Snauwaert and they marketed the brand name Temzo.

Richard Parnell
04-07-2011, 09:08 PM
Thanks for the info

kthornton
04-06-2012, 05:12 PM
....and rackets....

kthornton
04-16-2012, 04:22 AM
Looking for a few - 4 3/8 or 4 1/2. Any info on the Advantage? I have one, but can't find any info on the 'net.

Sanglier
02-11-2013, 09:17 AM
Have any of you spaghetti connoisseurs noticed item 310587215917 on the giant online flea market? It went for a pretty penny in the end, but looks quite different from the other spaghetti jobs I've seen.

At first glance, I thought that someone had found a creative way to put some chopped up grommet strips to interesting use, but when I zoomed in on those strips - I noticed that they are actually asymmetric - flat on one side, wavy on the other, and seem rather too narrow to serve as grommet strips.

Is it possible that we are actually looking at a factory job? Perhaps Snauwaert figured that by replacing the tedious hand-cutting, tying and gluing of those tiny tubes with a single molded strip, they could overcome the most significant drawback of this innovation, and mass produce spaghetti-strung racquets at an affordable price? If so, they must have come up with this idea right as the spaghettis were being banned, nipping the whole enterprise in the bud.

Adles
02-11-2013, 09:49 AM
That is quite a price for an old Snauweart!! Is that the one with the slit through the handle (for flexibility) just above the grip? I'll have to look in my parent's basement for my old one.

Hannah19
02-11-2013, 10:42 AM
Is it possible that we are actually looking at a factory job? Perhaps Snauwaert figured that by replacing the tedious hand-cutting, tying and gluing of those tiny tubes with a single molded strip, they could overcome the most significant drawback of this innovation, and mass produce spaghetti-strung racquets at an affordable price? If so, they must have come up with this idea right as the spaghettis were being banned, nipping the whole enterprise in the bud.

This could have been a way to avoid patent issues with Werner Fischer but by the time it was ready for mass production it would have been taken of the market because of the ban,(The Jan Kodes Autograph was made between 1976 and 1978 ).
That's probably why it fetched such a high price, it was most likely a proto type.

retrowagen
02-11-2013, 11:31 AM
I noticed it, it looked as though there were segments of string grommet strips woven in with the mains.

I can't imagine how that would play... must be quite interesting/frustrating/unpredictible/fascinating (choose one)! :)

Sanglier
02-11-2013, 12:23 PM
The bids spiraled away from the 'Goodwill' range pretty fast on this one right from the start, but I was still surprised by how much interest it drew considering it's a bit of an undocumented alien :) Or maybe the 'undocumented' aspect of it is what was drawing all that interest in the first place, as Hans is postulating?

I've saved the listing pictures for future reference. I think fair-use allows me to append them here so that my post above won't become orphaned when the original listing is retired a couple of months from now. If the seller is reading this and doesn't agree with my interpretation of fair-use, please let me know.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/sanglier/SnauwaertSpaghetti310587215917_zps2b6fa745.jpg

Note the thicker gauge single-strung cross compared to the double-strung mains (I don't think it's an optical illusion). If there had been an effort to get around the Werner Fischer patent, perhaps this was one aspect of it as well?

Regardless, there is a LOT of plastic on this string bed. If I had to answer Retro's multiple choice question, my choice would have to be "E" - All of the above! :)

retrowagen
02-11-2013, 02:30 PM
I was interested in the frame, independent of the weird/novel/insane stringing, as it was a Jan Kodes autograph! How cool is that? :lol:

BTW, if I had a spaghetti-strung frame, I'd feel compelled to hit my groundies with a western grip, with a Morricone soundtrack...

ericsson
02-11-2013, 11:50 PM
I noticed it, it looked as though there were segments of string grommet strips woven in with the mains.

I can't imagine how that would play... must be quite interesting/frustrating/unpredictible/fascinating (choose one)! :)

At first i would take unpredictible/frustrating but hitting 15+ minutes with it i would go to interesting/fascinating, the amount of spin is HUGE and something unique, you really need to swing under the ball and come over your shoulder, if you dont the ball goes far out...

I would say, nice to experiment with it but not something i would use during a match or competition.

Hannah19
02-12-2013, 07:00 AM
I've got plenty of new Rox Pro grommets laying around that I can cut up and experiment with.........:)
Should be interesting..!!

What does worry me is "What keeps the strips from sliding down over the main strings?"
Is there a bridge in between the "grommet" strips?
Not visible in the pictures, maybe the tension holds them in place.

Sanglier
02-12-2013, 08:13 AM
What does worry me is "What keeps the strips from sliding down over the main strings?"
Is there a bridge in between the "grommet" strips?
Not visible in the pictures, maybe the tension holds them in place.

Lest my eyes are deceiving me, I suspect they are glued in place, Hans. See the small patches of sheen just ahead of the two grommets:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/sanglier/SnauwaertSpaghettiGlue_zps0a67751f.jpg


The strips on opposing sides of the string bed are very neatly aligned, but I don't think there is necessarily a physical "bridge" between them (again, perhaps as a means to work around the Fischer patent?). Note the small misalignment between the strips on the second from bottom cross:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/sanglier/SnauwaertSpaghettiStrips_zps2f23b104.jpg


The only way to really clear this up is for the winning bidder to come here and do a show-and-tell for our collective enjoyment. :)

retrowagen
02-12-2013, 08:33 AM
I would say, nice to experiment with it but not something i would use during a match or competition.

Indeed, it looks like something I would use when practice hitting with my son, to get the better of him!

Hannah19
02-23-2013, 01:35 PM
I just found out that the buyer of this Jan Kodes racket is the same one that just bought 3 (!) Tretorn Speed Gun's from me claiming to be a poor student....yeah, right.

JW10S
02-23-2013, 05:16 PM
Wow, I've hit with a couple spaghetti racquets but I cannot imagine that the one pictured above plays well at all with all that plastic in the string bed. I'd cut that out so fast...

Hannah19
02-24-2013, 12:05 AM
Wow, I've hit with a couple spaghetti racquets but I cannot imagine that the one pictured above plays well at all with all that plastic in the string bed. I'd cut that out so fast...

If you paid the price this baby went for, you'll think twice about cutting out this string job....:)

Hannah19
02-24-2013, 12:06 AM
Lest my eyes are deceiving me, I suspect they are glued in place, Hans. See the small patches of sheen just ahead of the two grommets:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/sanglier/SnauwaertSpaghettiGlue_zps0a67751f.jpg


The strips on opposing sides of the string bed are very neatly aligned, but I don't think there is necessarily a physical "bridge" between them (again, perhaps as a means to work around the Fischer patent?). Note the small misalignment between the strips on the second from bottom cross:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/sanglier/SnauwaertSpaghettiStrips_zps2f23b104.jpg


The only way to really clear this up is for the winning bidder to come here and do a show-and-tell for our collective enjoyment. :)

Ican ask him, I've got his phone number..:)

Sanglier
02-24-2013, 07:48 AM
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Ican ask him, I've got his phone number..:)


Maybe you should, and find out what kind of posh school he goes to while you are at it. :)

How did you figure out it's the same guy anyway? Does fleabay still allow European users to see the identity of the buyers on any and all listings? Over here you can only see their recent bidding history, anonymously, nothing else.

Hannah19
02-24-2013, 04:48 PM
Maybe you should, and find out what kind of posh school he goes to while you are at it. :)

How did you figure out it's the same guy anyway? Does fleabay still allow European users to see the identity of the buyers on any and all listings? Over here you can only see their recent bidding history, anonymously, nothing else.

No, as I sold this guy the Tretorn's I was curious to see what his feedback looked like. I always go through feedback to find out what I'm dealing with to see if I can accomodate a buyer in the future. This when I stumbled on the Jan Kodes spaghetti frame. You can view all items less than 60 days old.

Sanglier
02-24-2013, 06:03 PM
I see. You are right, this guy is on a tear! A one of a kind Spaghetti, an Erge, a Handler, and now a Speed Gun from you, plus dozens of other big ticket racquets and racquet sport paraphernalia; and that's just within the last couple of weeks! Sure wish I have studied whatever it is that he is studying! Maybe he is living off of a major grant to investigate the health effects of severe racquetholism? :?

Hannah19
02-25-2013, 11:22 AM
I see. You are right, this guy is on a tear! A one of a kind Spaghetti, an Erge, a Handler, and now a Speed Gun from you, plus dozens of other big ticket racquets and racquet sport paraphernalia; and that's just within the last couple of weeks! Sure wish I have studied whatever it is that he is studying! Maybe he is living off of a major grant to investigate the health effects of severe racquetholism? :?

I googled him, if he is still studying he should be ashamed of him self...He's 36

Sanglier
02-25-2013, 12:28 PM
I googled him, if he is still studying he should be ashamed of him self...He's 36

Maybe he is taking Executive MBA classes in the evenings? :)

I hope he will have his fill soon. He's been like a giant vacuum cleaner as of late, sucking up all the weird and unusual racquets from the bay at elevated prices, leaving nothing behind for bottom feeders like me.

Buyers like him are great news for the sellers though. So rather than berating him for pretending to be poor (maybe by 'poor' he meant 'pitifully bad at controlling his hoarding instinct', not necessarily 'a standing member of the 99%'), you should be celebrating and putting out more tasty baits for him while he is still biting! :)

dak95_00
06-07-2013, 06:22 PM
I was just given a nearly mint Hi-Ten 30. What are these worth? I'm not a collector. I was also given a Graphite Orbit in similar condition.

retrowagen
06-07-2013, 07:28 PM
I was just given a nearly mint Hi-Ten 30. What are these worth? I'm not a collector. I was also given a Graphite Orbit in similar condition.

Those Hi Ten frames are one of the obscure cult collector racquets of the moment. One in minty condition is probably worth well over $200, perhaps even near or over $300.

The Graphite Orbit is rather less exotic; a good one is probably worth around $30-$40.

Hannah19
06-07-2013, 11:26 PM
I was just given a nearly mint Hi-Ten 30. What are these worth? I'm not a collector. I was also given a Graphite Orbit in similar condition.

YOU LUCKY S.O.B........:)

v-verb
06-08-2013, 05:47 AM
YOU LUCKY S.O.B........:)

HA! You've has some amazing finds I've read

Hannah19
06-08-2013, 01:29 PM
HA! You've has some amazing finds I've read

Yes, but the Hi Ten, any Hi Ten, is high on my list of wanted rackets.
Since the string tension was so high, many frames just cracked under the pressure after a few restrings and they are therefor very rare.

ericsson
06-09-2013, 11:51 PM
Those Hi Ten frames are one of the obscure cult collector racquets of the moment. One in minty condition is probably worth well over $200, perhaps even near or over $300.

The Graphite Orbit is rather less exotic; a good one is probably worth around $30-$40.

I sold these babies well over 200 or 300$ especially in pristine condition (with Original Luxilon string and cover), they are very hard to find in pristine condition (the fact they are bumperless makes them vulnerable)
In the end all depends what the buyer wants to spend but the Hi-Ten's are unique and what i like about it is they are actually very good rackets, can't be said about some other unusual rackets...

dak95_00
06-11-2013, 02:16 PM
Here are some pics:

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/photo2_zpse6a9616f.jpg (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/dak95_00/media/photo2_zpse6a9616f.jpg.html)
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/dak95_00/photo7_zps7e67d37c.jpg (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/dak95_00/media/photo7_zps7e67d37c.jpg.html)
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I'm not a collector so it'll be in the classified section.

Hannah19
06-11-2013, 02:50 PM
Here are some pics:

I'm not a collector so it'll be in the classified section.

Absolutely stunning....!!!
Very nice condition, should be a 9.0/10...!!
Way out of my league, price wise.....:(
Don't sell under $250.00

dak95_00
06-11-2013, 05:48 PM
Absolutely stunning....!!!
Very nice condition, should be a 9.0/10...!!
Way out of my league, price wise.....:(
Don't sell under $250.00

Thank you.

elystrae
10-07-2013, 10:23 PM
Hello,
I'm new here and i want to show you my snauwert:

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/9996/k7u8.jpg

Ellipse Touch C in very god condition

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/1481/s2so.jpg

Golden Mid in good condition

http://imageshack.us/a/img690/4392/3gzo.jpg

Graphite pro Vitas Gerulatis autograph in good condition

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/3295/29c3.jpg

And this one, a "Coca Cola" paint, i don't know from which model it's issue, perhaps a "La Grande" but not sure cause the string plan is a 18*18.

does someone recognise the model of the last one?

coachrick
10-08-2013, 01:59 PM
The Coke model is interesting. I lived in Atlanta(world HQ of Coke) for nearly 30 years and never saw one of those. Maybe Pernfors worked up a deal while he was there! ;)

retrowagen
10-08-2013, 02:09 PM
In the mid-1980's, Snauwaert made a number of different wood/graphite composites of the same design as that Coca-Cola SMU - some with more or less graphite and different laminates to meet different performance and price targets. The top of that heap was the Graphite Wood LaGrande and the subsequent (graphic redesign) Brian Gottfried Mid (which was used by not only Gottfried, but Miloslav Mecir, and others, including Tomas Smid.

palmerop
10-14-2013, 04:46 AM
Does anybody know the history of the brand?

Don't Let It Bounce
10-14-2013, 06:53 PM
I'm new here and i want to show you my snauwert:I almost got arrested for saying that the first time I went looking for the courts in Central Park.

Welcome to the forums, Elystrae, and nice collection of Snorts! I especially like that Touch C.

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I recently saw a Snauwaert ATP Tour, in both 103 and 112 sizes, on auction. Anyone here play with either of those? They looked nice.

elystrae
10-14-2013, 11:30 PM
Thanks for the answers.

It's seems the "coke" Snauweart is a Brian Gottfried mid as Retrowagen said. I saw a 18*18 pattern at:
http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/brian-gottfried-mid.html.

By the way, i have almost 100 rackets now of various brand and mostly of them are from the 80's/90's.
I'll try to present my "family" soon.

palmerop
10-16-2013, 01:46 PM
Does anybody know the history of the brand?

Nobody knows where I can find the history of Snauwaert?

ericsson
10-16-2013, 11:11 PM
Nobody knows where I can find the history of Snauwaert?

What you need to know?

palmerop
10-17-2013, 02:09 AM
What you need to know?

Founded when, why it went under....

ericsson
10-17-2013, 02:38 AM
Founded when, why it went under....

Here is a quick summary, i will add more later when i have the time...


In its heyday Snauwaert produced up to 800,000 tennis rackets per day. The company grew from a carpentry, founded in 1929 by Valère Snauwaert. The second generation Karel Snauwaert and Andre Depla Snauwaert made Snauwaert world famous in the tennis world. At the end of the 70’s the turnover came. It was not until early '80 Snauwaert started the production of graphite/composite rackets. Too late. In '85, after the death of Charles Snauwaert production was transferred to Portugal. In '88 Jacques Lierneux of City 7 took over. The beginning of the end because the financial problems of Lierneux’s empire dragged Snauwaert along. In January '92 undertook a group of Flemish investors around Bob Bruloot a last attempt to re-brand Snauwaert an international reputation to deliver without restarting production. Too bad, in 1995 the final curtain fell on Snauwaert.
In 1998 the Dutch sports group Rucanor, founded in 1956, aims to launch Snauwaert rackets again in the tennis world. For marketing and PR they hire Stephen Nardelli (Sport & Ski), the Britisch entrepreneur famous for taking over Donnay 2 years ago.

coachrick
10-17-2013, 05:29 AM
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In its heyday Snauwaert produced up to 800,000 tennis rackets per day. .

I think someone misplaced a decimal point somewhere ;) .

I believe Steven(Stephen?) Snauwaert lived in Atlanta in the late '80s. I reckon he would be around his early 60s now. Not sure how close he was to the company.

palmerop
10-17-2013, 06:18 AM
Thank you very much, really appreciated. You should write a Wikipedia article as it s hard to find this information online! I was always intrigued by Snauwaert but I never got to know its history.

coachrick
10-17-2013, 08:14 AM
And what about their relationship with Spalding? Did that help cover costs during the '70s or was it somehow a detriment to the company?

ericsson
10-17-2013, 10:52 AM
And what about their relationship with Spalding? Did that help cover costs during the '70s or was it somehow a detriment to the company?

For sure it did, infact Spalding acquired part-ownership of Snauwaert-Depla at that time. The production nearly doubled!
Snauwaert-Depla has been one of Spalding's major suplliers of wooden tennis rackets.

ericsson
10-17-2013, 11:27 AM
Here's an old photo from the original Snauwaert-Depla facility in Belgium

http://i41.tinypic.com/2yngfnm.jpg

retrowagen
10-17-2013, 11:54 AM
I wish that someone could have bottled the smell of the woodworking shops in the days of full production... Ahhhhhh :)

It might bear mentioning tha the first generations of graphite-composite frames made still in Belgium still had some wood in them - even their most sophisticated Graphite-Fiberglass-Aramide or Graphite -Fiberglass-Boron composites had a thin ashwood core element to help with feel. They still gave a practical nod to their rich past as they tried to move into the future.

I miss Snauwaert. I still have several Golden Dyno, Golden Mid, Boron Mid, and a few other models from the mid-1980's.

coachrick
10-17-2013, 01:26 PM
I wish that someone could have bottled the smell of the woodworking shops in the days of full production... Ahhhhhh :)
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LOTS of nasty glues floating around, I guarantee! I lost a few brain cells when polyurethane flooring first came on the market. Might as well have been sniffing straight toluene chased with naphtha. I think the regs were a little tighter by the time the Rossi factory in Van Buren, Maine shut down. It WAS pretty slick seeing the wood 'blanks' sliced into two rough frames and all the handwork that went in to making a racket from that 'slab'. Of course, the finishes weren't as regulated back then, either...nor was the adhesive used to secure the leather grips. Good thing they had plenty of fresh air right outside the door!

But, yeah, woodworking shops are a blast..I wish I had more talent for it.

retrowagen
10-17-2013, 01:53 PM
Ah yes, definitely can do without the chemical/glue smells. But sawn hardwoods... yesssssss, pleassssse :)

(I live in Northern California logging country, in the mountains not too far from Yosemite, and there is a wood mill just a mile or so from my property, and when the wind prevails just so on a nice evening...)

palmerop
10-17-2013, 02:11 PM
This knowledge should be on Wikipedia...

Hannah19
10-17-2013, 02:57 PM
Snauwaert manufactured for several brand names besides Spalding such as Lacoste, Fila, Forehand, Daniel Hechter, early Rucanor's, Tretorn, Temzo and later their own sub brand Vitas.

Hannah19
10-17-2013, 03:01 PM
I wish that someone could have bottled the smell of the woodworking shops in the days of full production... Ahhhhhh :)

It might bear mentioning tha the first generations of graphite-composite frames made still in Belgium still had some wood in them - even their most sophisticated Graphite-Fiberglass-Aramide or Graphite -Fiberglass-Boron composites had a thin ashwood core element to help with feel. They still gave a practical nod to their rich past as they tried to move into the future.

I miss Snauwaert. I still have several Golden Dyno, Golden Mid, Boron Mid, and a few other models from the mid-1980's.

Some Fila composites that were made by Snauwaert also featured the woodcore technology.

Baxter
10-17-2013, 04:16 PM
I still haven't snagged my first Snauwaert. 800,000 rackets a DAY? No way.

ericsson
10-17-2013, 10:44 PM
Ah yes, definitely can do without the chemical/glue smells. But sawn hardwoods... yesssssss, pleassssse :)

(I live in Northern California logging country, in the mountains not too far from Yosemite, and there is a wood mill just a mile or so from my property, and when the wind prevails just so on a nice evening...)

You are correct retro, the smell of wood is so attractive, here's an other one from the Snauwaert Depla factory, circa 1950
I know you're a nostalgic person...

http://i44.tinypic.com/16h3wqh.jpg

Hannah19
10-18-2013, 04:02 AM
You are correct retro, the smell of wood is so attractive, here's an other one from the Snauwaert Depla factory, circa 1950
I know you're a nostalgic person...

http://i44.tinypic.com/16h3wqh.jpg

A good friend of míne would kill for pics like this taken in his favourite brand manufacturing plant.
He is an avid collector of rackets of the Dutch "Pinguin" brand.
Unfortunately there is little to be found on internet about this brand allthough they were big in the 1950-60's exporting tons of rackets to the US and Canada.

retrowagen
10-18-2013, 07:14 AM
You are correct retro, the smell of wood is so attractive, here's an other one from the Snauwaert Depla factory, circa 1950
I know you're a nostalgic person...


Thank you for the photo! Look at those stacks and racks of unfinished frames!

I like playing with a graphite composite frame from the 80's or early 90's, but the craftsmanship and use of natural materials exemplified in that photograph makes me feel rather emotional... It's so close to being a lost art now, like adjusting a carburetor or filing the points on an old Mercedes.

The civilized world has become so much less civilized in the last 50 years. :(

palmerop
10-18-2013, 04:13 PM
Great photos!

palmerop
10-18-2013, 04:13 PM
Btw I remember those Fila frames... They looked good but I was too small to play them.

palmerop
10-18-2013, 04:22 PM
I've been looking at photos of the old Snauwaert frames on 80s tennis and memories are coming back to me. I remember those graphite dynos were really good looking and the orbit too.

gebruikershaes
11-05-2013, 10:59 AM
Does anyone have any information about the Snauwaert Open mid?

Is it Wood/Graphite? And is it worth buying for 20 bucks? (2pcs)

Here are some pics:
http://imgur.com/a/6Qhdv#0

retrowagen
11-05-2013, 11:09 AM
Does anyone have any information about the Snauwaert Open mid?

Is it Wood/Graphite? And is it worth buying for 20 bucks? (2pcs)

Here are some pics:
http://imgur.com/a/6Qhdv#0
Those are quite rare. I think it's well worth the asking price.

gebruikershaes
11-05-2013, 11:16 AM
Those are quite rare. I think it's well worth the asking price.

But are they made of wood?

retrowagen
11-05-2013, 11:24 AM
But are they made of wood?
Yes, wood with graphite reinforcement. One of their last wood frames. By the graphics scheme, dates from circa 1982-1985, though I do not see it in their official 1984 catalogue.

gebruikershaes
11-05-2013, 11:27 AM
Yes, wood with graphite reinforcement. One of their last wood frames. By the graphics scheme, dates from circa 1982-1985, though I do not see it in their official 1984 catalogue.

Great, thx. Any idea where I could find more information about it? (Specwise)

retrowagen
11-05-2013, 12:02 PM
Great, thx. Any idea where I could find more information about it? (Specwise)

Snauwaert was unique in the racquetsports industry in that they provided the actual specs of each racquet, engraved on the shaft!

Look for three numbers, machine-engraved there: the first is the grip size number, followed by total unstrung weight in grams, then unstrung balance point in millimeters.

If you want swingweight or stiffness, you'll probably on your own. It'll be very flexible, and likely have a big swingweight as it will likely weigh >370g, strung.

gebruikershaes
11-06-2013, 02:26 AM
Ok, I just bought them. Expecting them to arrive tomorrow or the day after.
Will post pics and specs as soon as I have them.
Weird thing is that I cannot find a single piece of information about the sticks. It's like they never existed.

Hannah19
12-01-2013, 10:25 AM
Ok, I just bought them. Expecting them to arrive tomorrow or the day after.
Will post pics and specs as soon as I have them.
Weird thing is that I cannot find a single piece of information about the sticks. It's like they never existed.

Snauwaert made soooooo many frames, hard to keep records of all of them..:)

BlueStreak81
12-01-2013, 10:54 PM
Loved my Snauwaert Brian Gottfried (1980) until I hit an overhead and it snapped in half. :cry: Beautiful racket. Also remember the Snauwaert Jan Kodes at about the same time. Both beautiful rackets that played well (right at the end of the wood era).

JW10S
12-03-2013, 07:10 PM
Just played a 'Woodie' tournament where everyone had to use small headed, single shafted wood racquets, and wear all white (with long pants no less) and use white balls. I used the Brian Gottfried Flex that had the tapered throat (like many of the TAD racquets). I had it strung up with gut at 25 kgs before the tournament and I have to say it felt good. I had played with the Caravelle before, which is one of my fav old school woodies, and the Gottfried without the tapered shaft, but this one was fun to hit with. It's still in my bag right now along with the high tech graphite racquets I'm contracted to use.

ericsson
12-04-2013, 05:16 AM
Am i the only one that thinks natural gut plays so much better in vintage rackets (woodies) VS modern (graphite) rackets? :mrgreen:

joe sch
12-07-2013, 04:47 PM
Am i the only one that thinks natural gut plays so much better in vintage rackets (woodies) VS modern (graphite) rackets? :mrgreen:

No, I think you are in the majority of old school players who feel the same. Poly string do not really start showing an advantage until used in modern rackets with larger heads (>90si) and thats when playing the modern game that is based on the baseline and power hitting.