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gymrat76
11-01-2008, 02:25 PM
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/190936258_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/190936306_o.jpg

Based on these two pics, can someone tell me what version of Pro Staff 6.0 are they? These are the only pics I have. Butt cap codes are HYB & JNO

- Both racquets have the butt cap codes located UNDER the "W" logo
- The one with HYB code does HAVE a bumperguard.
- The one with JNO code does NOT have a bumperguard.

No other information is available, except the pics above...WHAT ARE THESE RACQUETS? CHICAGO, ST. V. OR TAIWAN?

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 02:48 PM
Nobody can help me determine what these are?

treblings
11-01-2008, 02:51 PM
Nobody can help me determine what these are?
there are quite a few threads on the PS 6.0, the buttcap codes etc. so you might find your answer there. iīm really not expert enough to help you. my PS 6.0 has a GHX code and says Manufactured by CHIAO TA which means it comes from China.

m1stuhxsp4rk5
11-01-2008, 02:53 PM
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp61/rack3th3ad/pssvidsj5.jpg

treblings
11-01-2008, 02:59 PM
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp61/rack3th3ad/pssvidsj5.jpg
Thatīs great info:)

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 03:01 PM
there are quite a few threads on the PS 6.0, the buttcap codes etc. so you might find your answer there. iīm really not expert enough to help you. my PS 6.0 has a GHX code and says Manufactured by CHIAO TA which means it comes from China.

well, the problem is..there are way too many..probably thousands of posts regarding this..although i have been reading so many of them, still cant find a post that really helps me out..

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 03:09 PM
Thatīs great info:)

That sure is great info. But I can not make a judgment based on the pics I have.
Can not see the stickers inside the throat (actually owner told me that the stickers are not legible anymore)
Can not see if "midsize" is on both or only at one side.
Can not determine if the sticks are considered to have matte finish based on pics.
Cant see if they have bumperguards.
Zoomed in :) but cant see any red primer from pics

I can only determine myself that they do have white butt caps (at least one of them, the one on top)
They have square grommet channel endings.
An old Fairway grip
The "S" of Pro Staff indicates something of an older era...

Are these Chicagos? or St. Vs?

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 03:16 PM
Thatīs great info:)

There is no reference to grommet channels in this chart.
Also, I was reading in a different post that, St. Vincents did not only come with codes ending with "Q" only, but there were some other codes that came out of the St. Vincent factory as well.

And judging by this chart, it would be really hard to distinguish a Chicago from Taiwan

I really am not intending to start a new lengthy 6.0 85 thread (although it is the best racquet ever)
I just need help deciding what these are before I purchase.....

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 03:17 PM
There is no reference to grommet channels in this chart.
Also, I was reading in a different post that, St. Vincents did not only come with codes ending with "Q" only, but there were some other codes that came out of the St. Vincent factory as well.

And judging by this chart, it would be really hard to distinguish a Chicago from Taiwan

I really am not intending to start a new lengthy 6.0 85 thread (although it is the best racquet ever)
I just need help deciding what these are before I purchase.....

Edit: meant to say, would be hard to distinguish a chicago from Vinnie..

treblings
11-01-2008, 03:21 PM
to my best knowledge all St.Vincents end with a Q. frames from Chicago end with an I(as in Illinois). iīve heard that from different sources.

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 03:32 PM
Well these are HYB & JNO. So these should be a definite Taiwanese??

treblings
11-01-2008, 03:38 PM
Well these are HYB & JNO. So these should be a definite Taiwanese??

Taiwanese or China. But itīs just my opinion based on the info i received.
I am a racket collector myself and would like to add a Chicago or St.Vincent to my collection.

VGP
11-01-2008, 03:43 PM
Are the butt cap codes above or below the W?

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 03:52 PM
Are the butt cap codes above or below the W?

If only I knew :)

VGP
11-01-2008, 04:11 PM
The JNO one could be a JNQ as the Q didn't always completely transfer.

As for the HYB, that could be a replacement.

From what I can tell from the two pics you show, they could be Chicago, SV, or very early Taiwanese (you've figured that out anyway).

Do you know if they're bumperless or not? Even this could be hard to tell if the plastic parts were replaced in at some time.

Are these auction items or are are you trying to work out a one-on-one deal?

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 04:12 PM
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp61/rack3th3ad/pssvidsj5.jpg

By the way, something caught my attention regarding this chart. I was browsing thru the big auction site. Saw a St. Vincent listing with Item No: 160295932436

Now, the seller also put this chart up. But someone please take a look at #6 at the chart in big auction..where the seller is actually pointing out to, alleging that his is a St. V. The cap code is shown as starting with "Q"! NOT ending with "Q"!

Is this an altered chart?
Or, are there different versions of this chart?

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 04:51 PM
The JNO one could be a JNQ as the Q didn't always completely transfer.

As for the HYB, that could be a replacement.

From what I can tell from the two pics you show, they could be Chicago, SV, or very early Taiwanese (you've figured that out anyway).

Do you know if they're bumperless or not? Even this could be hard to tell if the plastic parts were replaced in at some time.

Are these auction items or are are you trying to work out a one-on-one deal?

Right, it could be a Chicago, SV or Taiwanese..well, what is left?:) Lets throw in the Chinese as well! Dont know if bumperless or not.
I am trying work with the seller but he doesnt speak good english so I am having problem getting more info about the racquets...

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 05:01 PM
Are the butt cap codes above or below the W?

New information! Butt cap codes are BELOW the W!

So, with this added piece of information, what version are we closer to???

gymrat76
11-01-2008, 05:14 PM
More information as I am getting from the seller:

The racquet with the HYB butt cap code DOES HAVE bumperguard.

The racquet with the JNO butt cap code does NOT have bumperguard.

Again, both have the butt cap codes UNDER the "W".

So, what are most likely these are???

VGP
11-01-2008, 06:09 PM
Seems to me that the JNO is actually a JNQ bumperless SV.

The HYB could have had a swapped out buttcap. I've seen other racket models (i.e. Graphite Matrix) that have the white buttcaps but with different letters used on PS85s. If it has/had stickers in the throat at all - and not the decals that have the recommended tension and description of PWS, then you're looking at a Chicago or SV.

The cases that are in the pics don't look like what came with the Taiwanese. Assuming these came with the frames, then they are period correct for Chicago and SV.

Out of curiosity, what price are you looking at?

Azzurri
11-02-2008, 05:57 AM
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp61/rack3th3ad/pssvidsj5.jpg

This chart is not incorrect, but missing information. There are SV with bumper and string tension 65-70 lbs. This chart is not complete.

gymrat76
11-02-2008, 10:09 AM
Seems to me that the JNO is actually a JNQ bumperless SV.

The HYB could have had a swapped out buttcap. I've seen other racket models (i.e. Graphite Matrix) that have the white buttcaps but with different letters used on PS85s. If it has/had stickers in the throat at all - and not the decals that have the recommended tension and description of PWS, then you're looking at a Chicago or SV.

The cases that are in the pics don't look like what came with the Taiwanese. Assuming these came with the frames, then they are period correct for Chicago and SV.

Out of curiosity, what price are you looking at?

Yes, I am assuming the JNO (quite possibly JNQ) is a bumperless SV.

The seller said, there is sticker inside the throat, but not readable.
Not sure which racquet he is referring to, or if he was referring to both racquets as having illegible stickers. My assumption is, it is only an assumption, decals such as PWS description are much harder to fade.

At this point, I know, at least one of them (and quite possibly both) have stickers though not legible.

As for the cases, you are right...I looked at pics of few SV's being auctioned, and the cases that are shown at the pics appear to be the same with the pics above. Moreover, like 5 years ago, I bought a SV or Chicago for only $50 here at TW forums, and I received the same case then!! At the time, I didnt know much about Pro Staffs, didn't realize it was a nice deal, so I ended up trading it!!! It was a 4 5/8 grip, was too thick for me, hard to play with, and I let that beauty go!

As for the price, looking at getting both these for $250. What do you think?

treblings
11-02-2008, 10:51 AM
This chart is not incorrect, but missing information. There are SV with bumper and string tension 65-70 lbs. This chart is not complete.

Can you add missing information?

Azzurri
11-02-2008, 05:08 PM
Can you add missing information?

Drakulie and VGP are the experts..but I do know that chart is not complete. I have one that has bumper, ends in Q and has 65-70 string tension. It has red primer. Its a SV, but according to the chart it does not exist..see what I mean?

treblings
11-03-2008, 01:13 AM
Drakulie and VGP are the experts..but I do know that chart is not complete. I have one that has bumper, ends in Q and has 65-70 string tension. It has red primer. Its a SV, but according to the chart it does not exist..see what I mean?

sure, thanks for answering.

gymrat76
11-03-2008, 01:36 PM
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/191706441_o.jpg

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/191706467_o.jpg

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/191706486_o.jpg

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/191706517_o.jpg


Got these new pics from the seller. Basically he wanted to show me some worn-up parts of one of the racquets (though dont know which one)..Can someone help me further identify these racquets? (My opinion, I can't really see a red primer..maybe it is the cam or blurry pics...but usually red primer would show up, I think) Any helps is highly appreciated..

gymrat76
11-03-2008, 01:37 PM
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/191706557_o.jpg

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/191706578_o.jpg

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/191706603_o.jpg

VGP
11-03-2008, 03:51 PM
Those pics really don't help in additional info for identification.....

Although knowing the condition helps in making a purchase. Those pics help somewhat for that, but not much......

gymrat76
11-04-2008, 01:12 AM
Those pics really don't help in additional info for identification.....

Although knowing the condition helps in making a purchase. Those pics help somewhat for that, but not much......


Thanks for helping out! Well, the fact is, I bought these to play with, not to hang on a wall :) So, as long as they are early versions, it is fine.

Though, it would still be great to know the exact identity of them, of course. Like you have mentioned, I am quite certain that the JNO (JNQ) is most likely a Chicago or St. V. I figured the new pics belong to this JNO one, since there is no head guard in pics. But I am really curious as to the origin of the other racquet (HYB), you mentioned it might have a swapped out butt-cap and all. If it is not Taiwanese, I can be sure it is Chicago or St. V also. Can you please put a picture or give a link for a Taiwanese version? Or perhaps explain on comparison of a case of a Taiwanese versus the ones in the pics here...Thanks much! You really know a lot about Prostaffs!!!

treblings
11-04-2008, 01:35 AM
Thanks for helping out! Well, the fact is, I bought these to play with, not to hang on a wall :) So, as long as they are early versions, it is fine.

Iīd really like to here once you played them. Are you really able to tell the difference between versions of the PS by playing with them?

psp2
11-04-2008, 07:56 AM
JNQ: SV Code
HYB: Taiwanese Code

VGP
11-04-2008, 10:37 AM
^^^^ the HYB could be a Taiwanese code, but gymrat76 says that the code is below the W. As far as I know, the Taiwanese codes were placed above the W.

I guess it could be one of those started-in-SV-finished-in-Taiwan ones that drakulie talks about.....

On second looking at the next set of pics, it looks like he sent you pics of the top of both frames as one's got a bumperguard and one doesn't.

The one that doesn't looks like it's worn through to the beige stuff in one spot.......I see frames like that where people like to "scoop" up the ball with their racket.

I hate that.

MichaelChang
11-04-2008, 11:04 AM
These 2 rackets are not in a great condition to be a "collectible" item. Even if both are SV, so what? both of them are kind of beatup already. 250$ why don't you save them and buy some other rackets that are in better condition. gosh. SV is not god of tennis rackets.

VGP
11-04-2008, 12:32 PM
...gosh. SV is not god of tennis rackets.

Say it ain't so!

gymrat76
11-04-2008, 03:02 PM
Iīd really like to here once you played them. Are you really able to tell the difference between versions of the PS by playing with them?

When I used to play with the newer Pro Staff 6.0 black cap, it played with more of a plush, more flexible feeling. It was slightly more maneuverable compared to my bumperless (SV or Chicago) but also was not as stable.
Older PS 6.0 85s are definitely stiffer, not as easy on the arm for that matter.
But it felt better to me.

treblings
11-04-2008, 03:06 PM
When I used to play with the newer Pro Staff 6.0 black cap, it played with more of a plush, more flexible feeling. It was slightly more maneuverable compared to my bumperless (SV or Chicago) but also was not as stable.
Older PS 6.0 85s are definitely stiffer, not as easy on the arm for that matter.
But it felt better to me.

Interesting. personally, i would prefer the more flexible frame i guess.
hope that the vincents havenīt broken down too much, so that they still play the way you remember them

gymrat76
11-04-2008, 03:43 PM
^^^^ the HYB could be a Taiwanese code, but gymrat76 says that the code is below the W. As far as I know, the Taiwanese codes were placed above the W.

I guess it could be one of those started-in-SV-finished-in-Taiwan ones that drakulie talks about.....

On second looking at the next set of pics, it looks like he sent you pics of the top of both frames as one's got a bumperguard and one doesn't.

The one that doesn't looks like it's worn through to the beige stuff in one spot.......I see frames like that where people like to "scoop" up the ball with their racket.

I hate that.

Yes, the seller wrote that the code is below the W, in both butt-caps. In addition, I recall you pointing, the cases don't look like as what the Taiwanese cases would look like. Both the cases (for bumperless JNO/Q and HYB) in the pics appear to be same. I do not know how a Taiwanese case (or racquet, for that matter) looks like, but I know it is the same exact case that my racquet (bumperless SV or Chicago) had, which I -now regretfully- traded back in 2000, not knowing about 6.0s at that time and ever since, I have been searching for the same touch and feel in a racquet. Btw- the old German man who sold them is not really a man who would be into getting separate cases just to match with these frames.


As for the beige stuff you mentioned in the bumperless one, isn't that the curving part of the string? Is the pic below you are referring to?

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/191706486_o.jpg

gymrat76
11-04-2008, 03:50 PM
Interesting. personally, i would prefer the more flexible frame i guess.
hope that the vincents havenīt broken down too much, so that they still play the way you remember them

Yep, I am hoping that too..But the thing with these old ProStaffs is that, even if they are really worn up, they still do not lose much from the playing characteristics. Because, it is one chunk of racquet. Nothing like the new hollow frames of today! Saw a broken MG Rad MP on the court that I play at, somebody hung it on the wire fence. Inside is hollow! I have an APDC, that feels hollow, like inside is empty..Trust me, back in the day, they gave more racquet for the buck! They gave a real racquet.
I made a huge mistake of biting the bait with the new frames.

VGP
11-04-2008, 03:53 PM
You could be right about that being the string. Either way it's obviously worn down there.

gymrat76
11-04-2008, 03:58 PM
Found this racquet on big auction site. Just trying to compare the case/racquet with the ones I am getting. Does this appear to be Taiwanese? Do the Taiwanese cases look like these in pics?

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/192158133_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/192158160_o.jpg
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/192158174_o.jpg

gymrat76
11-04-2008, 04:09 PM
These 2 rackets are not in a great condition to be a "collectible" item. Even if both are SV, so what? both of them are kind of beatup already. 250$ why don't you save them and buy some other rackets that are in better condition. gosh. SV is not god of tennis rackets.

Well I am just asking for some help to identify the background of these racquets. After all, they are a memorobilia. Btw- I am not looking for a collectible item. The sticks will be hitting courts everyday:) Just the good old early 6.0 85s I am in search of.
Even if they are SV, will not make me Sampras, no worries I am perfectly aware of that :) As for cost, you obviously are not aware of what the SV's are selling for at u.s version of big auction site these days, I guess. You get a worn down SV for that price. So I got 2 for the price of one. Actually one of them is in fairly good condition, see first pics. These frames are purchased from Germany.
I will unload on my Babs and go back to PS as soon as I can. IMO, older 6.0s are god of tennis racquets in terms of feel and touch. Just my opinion.

gymrat76
11-04-2008, 04:17 PM
You could be right about that being the string. Either way it's obviously worn down there.

Sure it is worn. Though these old sticks are like a tug boat. I know they got a lot more years of action left in them! :)

gymrat76
11-04-2008, 04:54 PM
By the way, I found this racquet being auctioned. The butt cap code is JTB Now, who will claim this is NOT a SV? And where does this racquet go on that chart?

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/192187306_o.jpg

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/192187501_o.jpg

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/2/3/6/2/4/webimg/192187866_o.jpg

gymrat76
11-06-2008, 02:41 PM
Where are all the knowledgable Pro Staff people?!