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Staiger
11-03-2008, 11:06 AM
This thread is dedicated to Dunlop for developing one of the best racquet on court today; with the new aerogel 4D 300 coming out, I thought it would be an appropiate time to create this club for the AG300.

http://www.dunlopsports.com/Images/Tennis/ProductImages/l/Aerogel-300-(004).jpg

Members of the Aerogel 300 Club

1. Staiger
2. ac3111
3. FloridaAG
4. Tim Oosting
5. The Dampener
6. Iwto
7. Team Tomo
8. TennisGuy777
9. ericwong
10. Dominik
11. Ninjamike
12. Doaklanda
13. Pimpmygame
14. AT92292
15. Shell
16. PeterFig
17. D-A-C
18. Eplea
19. Eikel
20. Dr. Degauss
21. Robertg06
22. Holly
23. DavidGarcia
24. Frekcles
25. Niktub
26. AJK
27. hoosierbr
28. David M
29 xxsouthpaw
30. Adam-West
31. Drake
32. Fed Kennedy
33. BobFL
34. Comps
35. Kittogi
36. julianoz
37. Redflea
38. tnet
39. snowpuppy
40. rexzinho
41. Magnus CA
42. Rabbit
43. Mansewerz
44. Wes Love Dunlop
45. In)SpiRe
46. dadozen
47. beckham
48. JohnnyM
49. forevertennis
50. fantom
51. DC Tennis Fan
52. JMS007
53. sonicboi21
54. Racer41C
55. the-town-sherif
56. jasonmiller
57. monkeytothemoon
58. stician
59. Links
60. CHOcobo
61. Rev-A
62. Vicious
63.
64.
65.
66.
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Board Members
-Staiger
-Damps
-Shell
-Eikel
-Redflea
-David Garcia
-Rabbit
-dadozen



Rackets Reviews

page 6, post #109 AG300 16x18 review - Damp
page 9, post #179 AG300 16x19 review - PimpMG
page 17, post #331 AG300 through AG200 comparison chart - Damp
page 25, post #487 AG300 16x19 vs. Bab Pure Storm - Shell
page 29, post #565,6,8 AG300 QC report - PimpMG, DavidG, Staiger
page 35 post 686 Dunlop AeroGel 4D 300 Tour Review! Inspire
page 35, post #688 AG4D300T vs. AG200 16x19 - Eikel
page 41, post #815 AG4D300T review - Tennisguy777
page 46 post #904 AG100 vs AG300 16X19
page 52, post #1039 AG,4D,MFil 300 comparison - Redflea
page 53, post #1058 4D 10 pack bag review - Drake
page 61, post #1202 AG300 16x18 vs. AG 200 16x19 comparison - Scott D
page 67, post #1332 Radical vs. MFil 200 comparison - Redflea
page 100,post #1996 AG 4D 300 Tour vs Babolat Pure Storm -Dadozen *

ac3111
11-03-2008, 11:38 AM
I was looking at the other Dunlop Aerogel clubs and was wondering why there is not one for the 300...
I thought of opening one but since I have not in my hands the Aerogel 300 I thought to remain patient.
I have noticed that there are two Aerogel 300 versions, one 16x19 and 16x18.
I will order it either now or tomorrow along with the Yonex RDS 003, because I want to try other than Prince and Wilson racquets.
Hopefully I will join the club very soon, if not already...

Staiger
11-03-2008, 11:53 AM
Hi , I demoed both version but my style of play suited toward the 16X 19 version. The Tour version (16 X18) is better for base-liner and it ,has less feel, with a bit more 'pop' on the serve. Both are very solid racquets and they wont disappoint.

This page is for anyone who is a fan of the aerogel 300 (not just for people who is using it as their prime racquet )

FloridaAG
11-03-2008, 12:05 PM
I hit with this frame a couple weeks ago and liked it a lot. Great for hammering forehands - I play with an M-Fil 200 Plus and AG 500 leaded up -

Cal_Sports
11-03-2008, 12:08 PM
I've hit with this frame before, and found it to be a great stick. You get great spin and power out of it. Definitely a confidence builder.

Tennisguy777
11-03-2008, 08:05 PM
This thread is dedicated to Dunlop for developing one of the best racquet on court today. The aerogel 300 is an amazing racquet and have taken my game to another level ; with the new aerogel 4D 300 coming out, I thought it is an appropiate time to create this society for the AG300.

PLease shown your appreciation for this racquet if you are currently using it !

I second that! Unfortunately sold all 3 and have moved on from the 300s to something even better for my game the Aerogel 200!

oest10
11-04-2008, 01:00 AM
I love the 300 as well, practically everything about it, but somehow it doesn't feel great, merely good. I liked the 200 more as well, so i'm looking to buy either that one or the 200 4d.

Staiger
11-04-2008, 01:30 PM
I second that! Unfortunately sold all 3 and have moved on from the 300s to something even better for my game the Aerogel 200!

AG200 aint too bad as well, but it lack the power . I tried to tune the 200 up but with no success, I used lead tapes , different tension/ hybrid strings and o/r grips . The 200 is definitely better for serve and if you prefer to dominate the point from the back of courts ; but it certainly lack the maneuverability for my game ! I cant wait for the AG 4D 300 (what a mouthful) to be out !!!!:):) I heard it has a perfect balance of control and power ! Does anyone have a picture and spec (if different) for the racquet !!

The Dampener
11-04-2008, 01:53 PM
I've used both versions of the 200, and both of the 300, and am now settled on the 300 16x18 . Consider me an appreciator.

The Dampener
11-04-2008, 01:54 PM
By the way, while the standard version's string pattern provides a touch more control, the 16x18s weight and balance make for more stable volleys.

Staiger
11-04-2008, 02:08 PM
I love the 300 as well, practically everything about it, but somehow it doesn't feel great, merely good. I liked the 200 more as well, so i'm looking to buy either that one or the 200 4d.


Try putting a dampener on and string it @58lb + ~5g of lead tape at the throat (if you still got the AG300) !

I felt the 16 x 18 version had less feel around the net (you got to love the drop-volleys) :mrgreen:

lwto
11-04-2008, 09:35 PM
After a long search for the holy grail.. It came down to the ag300 and kblade 98.

Had good deals on the AG300 and went with it.

I can say, is I really really want to like the stick. Its appeasing to the eye and easily customizable.

I tried it out native.. I was scared, it was so unstable and every shot sounded like this little dink. I put it back in my back.. quickly.

On returning home, I added weight.. weight, more weight. Well, not alot, about up to 11.8 oz. and tried it, phew!! Talk about relief, some weight in the handle and some on the head and it turned to be quite solid. I use duct tape instead of lead. Duct tape turns out has alot of weight and it does double duty to protect the head.

Shots were quite crisp despite it being 98 inch head. Volleys were crisp too. Hopefully tomorrow, I'll be able to test it out some more, serves over heads and my array of junk shots. One thing I was having an issue is that since I have a very eastern, almost continental forehand grip.. my shots were sailing abit. my typical forehand is a frozen clothline screamer that dips at the baseline.. with the 16x19 I notice that either I hit long or it goes short just beyond the service line.

Well thats just tennis I guess and I'll have to adjust, What I love is the topspin lobs I'm able to generate, one of my other shots I love to use. Nothing better than watching your opponent rush the net only to do nothing and watch the topspin lob sail over their heads.. great shot to have.

Well I'm happy with the racquet and expecting my 2nd any day now.


Any suggestions on what strings are best? Right now I have this synthetic gut, which I don't like particularly well.. let me know please.

Staiger
11-05-2008, 04:06 AM
I uses the Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power @58 but it depends , I had one strung with 60 lbs which I prefer to use against bigger hitters. Have you tried the other version yet ??

The Dampener
11-05-2008, 08:24 AM
Anyone have any updated info on where 4D will take the 300? Will there be one model, or more?

Thanks
Damp

Teamtomo
11-05-2008, 08:29 AM
i switched to the ag300 about a week back and i love it , especially on serve!

Staiger
11-05-2008, 09:24 AM
Rackets Reviews

page 6, post #109 AG300 16x18 review - Damp
page 9, post #179 AG300 16x19 review - PimpMG
page 17, post #331 AG300 through AG200 comparison chart - Damp
page 25, post #487 AG300 16x19 vs. Bab Pure Storm - Shell
page 29, post #565,6,8 AG300 QC report - PimpMG, DavidG, Staiger
page 35 post 686 Dunlop AeroGel 4D 300 Tour Review! Inspire
page 35, post #688 AG4D300T vs. AG200 16x19 - Eikel
page 41, post #815 AG4D300T review - Tennisguy777
page 46 post #904 AG100 vs AG300 16X19
page 52, post #1039 AG,4D,MFil 300 comparison - Redflea
page 53, post #1058 4D 10 pack bag review - Drake
page 61, post #1202 AG300 16x18 vs. AG 200 16x19 comparison - Scott D
page 67, post #1332 Radical vs. MFil 200 comparison - Redflea

lwto
11-05-2008, 10:08 AM
I uses the Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power @58 but it depends , I had one strung with 60 lbs which I prefer to use against bigger hitters. Have you tried the other version yet ??

I will be using the same strings.. the ALU Power, but probably with a hybrid, of Natural gut on the X's, probably at 60 lbs also.

On one hand I want to go ahead and restring.. immiedietly, on the other hand, I think I should wait and play these installed strings out.

Question I ask.. Do I like the way they play?
Self: No, not particuarly.
Self: Would new strings play better?
Self: I HOPE TO GOD THEY WILL..I like the newer strings on my older racquets I've used..
Self: OK.. that is settled, I"m taking it to my stringer tonite.

There you go, tomrrow, though it will be stormy and rainey, I will have new strings and no where to play.

hoosierbr
11-05-2008, 11:57 AM
The AG 300 is one of the sweetest sticks out there. Perfect weight and balance and easy to customize. Even in stock form as close to a perfect racquet as you can get, even for a serve-and-volleyer like me.

Staiger
11-05-2008, 12:19 PM
Rackets Reviews

page 6, post #109 AG300 16x18 review - Damp
page 9, post #179 AG300 16x19 review - PimpMG
page 17, post #331 AG300 through AG200 comparison chart - Damp
page 25, post #487 AG300 16x19 vs. Bab Pure Storm - Shell
page 29, post #565,6,8 AG300 QC report - PimpMG, DavidG, Staiger
page 35 post 686 Dunlop AeroGel 4D 300 Tour Review! Inspire
page 35, post #688 AG4D300T vs. AG200 16x19 - Eikel
page 41, post #815 AG4D300T review - Tennisguy777
page 46 post #904 AG100 vs AG300 16X19
page 52, post #1039 AG,4D,MFil 300 comparison - Redflea
page 53, post #1058 4D 10 pack bag review - Drake
page 61, post #1202 AG300 16x18 vs. AG 200 16x19 comparison - Scott D
page 67, post #1332 Radical vs. MFil 200 comparison - Redflea

oest10
11-05-2008, 12:25 PM
Update!

I only played with the 16x19, just an hour ago i played with the tour version (16x18) and i felt it was just in a league of its own..
Im trying the ag200 18x20 tomorrow, but have serious doubt whether it will stand any chance against the 16x18 ag 300.
It looks like next week i will have 4 brand new ag300 16x18 rackets in my bag! Ill let you know if i liked the 200 and which ones i buy

The Dampener
11-05-2008, 01:03 PM
Update!
...i played with the tour version (16x18) and i felt it was just in a league of its own...It looks like next week i will have 4 brand new ag300 16x18 rackets in my bag! Ill let you know if i liked the 200 and which ones i buy

Tim, it is. The 16x18 offers the heft and stability of the 200s along with the power of the 300. By the way, how do you get yours? Do you live in Europe? I always have to hunt mine down. Thanks.

oest10
11-06-2008, 01:34 AM
Tim, it is. The 16x18 offers the heft and stability of the 200s along with the power of the 300. By the way, how do you get yours? Do you live in Europe? I always have to hunt mine down. Thanks.Yes, I live in the Netherlands, i can get the 300 16x18 for 100 euro's each, which is roughly 140 dollars. but i get 30%discount, + more discount probably when i take 4, so prob. 60-70 euro's a piece. :)

ac3111
11-06-2008, 06:14 AM
Yes, I live in the Netherlands, i can get the 300 16x18 for 100 euro's each, which is roughly 140-150 dollars. but i get 30%discount, + more discount probably when i take 4, so prob. 60-70 euro's a piece. :)

I live in Europe too. May I ask if there is a good e-store in Netherlands where I could order some Aerogels 300 from?

The Dampener
11-06-2008, 08:08 AM
I still don't know why Dunlop doesn't offer the Euro models here. They're missing out on revenue. Must be something contractual.

Consider yourselves fortunate, my European friends.

oest10
11-07-2008, 01:04 AM
I live in Europe too. May I ask if there is a good e-store in Netherlands where I could order some Aerogels 300 from?
I'll mail you the website. great store, ag300 tour version (16x18 ) for 99 euros and all other dunlop racket 125 euros

ok you cant receive mail, so ill post the website name, delete the spaces between the letters.
w w w . t e n n i s p l a n e t . c o m

ac3111
11-07-2008, 03:10 PM
I'll mail you the website. great store, ag300 tour version (16x18) for 99 euros and all other dunlop racket 125 euros

ok you cant receive mail, so ill post the website name, delete the spaces between the letters.
w w w . t e n n i s p l a n e t . c o m

Thanks a lot, mate. I have come to the conclusion that some UK stores seem to be cheaper than any other in Europe and the US regarding a couple of Yonex and Dunlop models. Don't know why, maybe they are getting good deals.

Ninjamike
11-11-2008, 11:03 AM
I just ordered one online here in sweden. One retailer were selling their demo raquets so i bought one for 600SEK, wich is €60
Cant wait to try it out, I'll have to wait til sunday tho...

Dominik
11-11-2008, 04:08 PM
Add me please!

I have 5 of these, all leaded up 3g at 9, 3g at 3, 9g on the handle, and for each a babolat leather grip for a bit more weight + feel of the bevels.

Such an amazing setup! :D

ericwong
11-11-2008, 09:48 PM
Members of the Areogel 300 Club :

1) Staiger
2) ac3111
3) FloridaAG
4) Tim Oosting
5) The Dampener
6) Iwto
7) Team Tomo
8) TennisGuy777
9) ericwong ( using aerogel 300 16 x 1 8 )
10)
11)
12)
13)

Staiger
11-12-2008, 02:13 AM
Members of the Aerogel 300 Club

1) Staiger
2) ac3111
3) FloridaAG
4) Tim Oosting
5) The Dampener
6) Iwto
7) Team Tomo
8 TennisGuy777
9) ericwong
10) Dominik
11) Ninjamike
12)
13)

ac3111
11-12-2008, 02:17 AM
I just ordered the 300 (16x19). Along with it I ordered a dunlop muscle weave dampener and an dunlop hydramax overgrip (white).
Why the list stops at 13? Some consider it to be unlucky but I am not one of those superstitious. I think I will be the 13th in the Aerogel 300 Appreciation Society.

Staiger
11-12-2008, 02:33 AM
You already at the number 2 spot , so you are safe and the list dosnt stop at number 13; I am just being lazy but I hope to get more than 100 members . I am also changing my overgrip to Dunlop as well (Hydratac)-;since the Head xtremesoft I used are rubbish and costed me a racquet on one of my serve last month, they dont usually last a set as well :(

Dominik , which version of the AG300 you are using , just curious about your set up (without the leather grip, I hated them !) and may try it with mine this weekend !

ac3111
11-12-2008, 03:37 AM
I am already number 2. I sure like the looks of Dunlop. I wish it suits my game as well and keep it for long. But I think in the society there should be people that tested or tried the Aerogel 300 and appreciate or like or approve it as a racket.

Yet I can't have an opinion. I hope I will have it by the weekend and will report my thoughts and feeling. The last couple months I was practising and playing with a Prince Ozone 7 and a Wilson K six-one 95 (18x20).

doaklanda
11-12-2008, 05:30 PM
Can u please add me to this elite club.... I've played with other raquets but none come close to the feel of the AG 300. I purchased one 3 months ago and still keep getting better with it. It just feel's perfect.:) What strings an tension do some you all use?? I got Dunlop M-Fil tour16 @62lbs


http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/dsfgiantsnut/002.jpg

Dominik
11-12-2008, 06:23 PM
You already at the number 2 spot , so you are safe and the list dosnt stop at number 13; I am just being lazy but I hope to get more than 100 members . I am also changing my overgrip to Dunlop as well (Hydratac)-;since the Head xtremesoft I used are rubbish and costed me a racquet on one of my serve last month, they dont usually last a set as well :(

Dominik , which version of the AG300 you are using , just curious about your set up (without the leather grip, I hated them !) and may try it with mine this weekend !

I'm using the 16x19 version, it plays like a dream!

I actually hated the normal grip that came with it, it's way too cushiony and you couldn't feel the bevels well with an overgrip on. With a leather grip and Wilson pro on top, it feels too nice :D

If you don't put the leather grip on just put a few more grams on the handle - play around with it, there were a few setups I didn't really like with the racket. However, I have to say, it's definitely one of the most customizable frames out there :)

I use topspin cyberflash 17l at 55lb with my setup, holds tension *very* well, basically until it breaks.

ericwong
11-12-2008, 06:45 PM
I'm using the 16x19 version, it plays like a dream!


I use topspin cyberflash 17l at 55lb with my setup, holds tension *very* well, basically until it breaks.

Hey....I am using topspin too but different model. I use cyberpower 17 at 53/55 lbs. What a power when I crushed those short balls. :)

Dominik
11-13-2008, 03:50 PM
Hey....I am using topspin too but different model. I use cyberpower 17 at 53/55 lbs. What a power when I crushed those short balls. :)

Have you tried Cyberflash in the same gauge? How does it compare to the Cyberpower you're using right now?

Staiger
11-14-2008, 01:29 PM
Members of the Aerogel 300 Club

1) Staiger
2) ac3111
3) FloridaAG
4) Tim Oosting
5) The Dampener
6) Iwto
7) Team Tomo
8 TennisGuy777
9) ericwong
10) Dominik
11) Ninjamike
12) Doaklanda
13)
14)
15)
16)
17)

Staiger
11-14-2008, 01:39 PM
Can u please add me to this elite club.... I've played with other raquets but none come close to the feel of the AG 300. I purchased one 3 months ago and still keep getting better with it. It just feel's perfect.:) What strings an tension do some you all use?? I got Dunlop M-Fil tour16 @62lbs


http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i302/dsfgiantsnut/002.jpg


To be honest the MFil tour strings aint too bad , plenty of feel and control but I decided to I string two of mine with Luxilon Big Banger Rough @60lbs and one with Ashaway Crossfire 16(or 17 I forgotten ) @58lbs . i didnt like the dunlop dampener though and used the one I had before (Gamma) . I didnt find the grip to be a problem but I am now using the Hydromax (good absorbancy and less tacky) overgrip which I found to be better than Supergrap :) and easier to apply on the court !

doaklanda
11-15-2008, 10:16 AM
For now I'm ok with the MFill tour strings. I've tried a couple poly's on other raquets , it was kinda harsh 4 my liking. I'm due for a string job so I'm thinking of trying some NXT tour 16 or Babolat Excel?? When I demoed a Babolat raquet a lil while back it had Excel on it, played pretty good but I noticed it started to notch real bad an fast. I also heard NXT tour moves around a lot?? I'm not a real heavy hitter, plus i use medium topspin. Any suggestions would be good.:confused:

oest10
11-15-2008, 10:17 AM
I just ordered 4 Dunlop Aerogel 300 Tour ( 16 x 18 ) 's , should have 'em in 2 days.

The Dampener
11-15-2008, 05:13 PM
I just ordered 4 Dunlop Aerogel 300 Tour ( 16 x 18 ) 's , should have 'em in 2 days.

Stop. Please stop. You're just taunting. ; )

Ninjamike
11-16-2008, 10:28 AM
I played my new aerogel for the first time today! Recently i bought a Pure Drive that basically just got me hurt! But this raquet feels alot different, nicer feel at ballimpact and a very nice sound! But most importantly, no pain!
Im just an intermediate player that plays once or twice a week, so most likely im a bit off in my description, but still im very impressed by this stick!

howardox
11-16-2008, 05:57 PM
Also a first-time purchaser of a Dunlop Aerogel 300 after playing with a Head Radical Ti Oversize for many years. Getting used to this raquet. I decided to switch to a more manoeuverable racquet to improve my serves. I was also looking for more control. First impressions:

1) Enjoying serving and hitting overheads.

2) Compared to the radical, I am able to put the ball where I want it. Inside out forehands stick to the corners.

3) Long relaxed swings work better than trying to muscle the ball.

4) Would have liked a bit more stability on the groundies. The racquet I wound up with weighs only 300 grams strung and the swingweight is also 300, compared to Dunlop's published specs of 309 grams and 312 swingweight.

I added 6 grams to the throat and have tried it out once with this added weight. Although the racquet seems more substantial on the groundies, I'm not sure if I may have too much uncontrollable power on the serve.

If anyone's added weight to their frame, I'd be curious to hear you experience.

Thanks.



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The Dampener
11-17-2008, 03:50 PM
I know this is the appreciation thread. But here's something I don't appreciate.

Dunlop is reversing directions with the new 4D AG 300s (see below). The lighter version now has a more open string pattern. And the heavier version has a tighter pattern. I'm truly disappointed.

Anyone venture a guess as to why they might do that?

Aerogel 4D 300:
Headsize: 98
Weight: 290g
Balance: 320mm
Beam Width: 21mm
String Pattern: 16 x 19

Aerogel 4D 300 Tour:
Headsize: 98
Weight: 305g
Balance: 310mm
Beam Width: 20mm
String Pattern: 18 x 20

howardox
11-17-2008, 06:24 PM
I saw a 4d 200 16x19 version at 327 grams strung coming out.

The Dampener
11-17-2008, 07:01 PM
I saw a 4d 200 16x19 version at 327 grams strung coming out.

We have no appreciation for 200s in here. ;)

Staiger
11-18-2008, 01:29 PM
I know this is the appreciation thread. But here's something I don't appreciate.

Dunlop is reversing directions with the new 4D AG 300s (see below). The lighter version now has a more open string pattern. And the heavier version has a tighter pattern. I'm truly disappointed.

Anyone venture a guess as to why they might do that?

Aerogel 4D 300:
Headsize: 98
Weight: 290g
Balance: 320mm
Beam Width: 21mm
String Pattern: 16 x 19

Aerogel 4D 300 Tour:
Headsize: 98
Weight: 305g
Balance: 310mm
Beam Width: 20mm
String Pattern: 18 x 20

From looking at the spec , I think I might just stick with the normal version of 300 and add abit of lead . I have no idea why they would decide to have an 18 x20 for the tour version, thats as you say a real big disappointment , apart from that everything else is the same with the AG series of 300.

Anyway , how does the 4D Compare with the AG on the feel and control , is there a big improvement or it is gone backward in term of development.

howardox
11-18-2008, 04:38 PM
Isn't the current AG300 a light racquet with an open string pattern?

The Dampener
11-18-2008, 05:26 PM
Anyway , how does the 4D Compare with the AG on the feel and control , is there a big improvement or it is gone backward in term of development.

Good question. The 4Ds aren't on the market yet. But I have run across a review or two on these boards. Can't remember exactly where, but a quick search might dig them up.

The Dampener
11-18-2008, 05:28 PM
Isn't the current AG300 a light racquet with an open string pattern?

Yes, the string pattern on the standard 300 will stay the same. I was commenting, in a very unclear way, that the "tour" version of the current 300 is a more open pattern (16x18 ) as compared to the 4D Tour, which will be a tighter pattern (18x20).

The Dampener
11-18-2008, 05:55 PM
Staiger, try here...

http://www.essentialtennis.com/gearReviewBlog/2008_10_01_archive.html

Tennisguy777
11-18-2008, 08:06 PM
We have no appreciation for 200s in here. ;)

The 300 and 200 are brothers, brotherly love man, we're keeping it in the family. The 300 is one the best sticks I have used period. And if you guys need ideas on customizing search the thread I started awhile back " Aerogel 300 customization ". Um the 300 was great but I get 10 x the control with the 200 so I switched, although I still appreciate the forgiveness of Aerogel 300's 98 sq. face. Oh did I mention the blood red cosmetics, bloody beautiful man.

oest10
11-18-2008, 11:44 PM
Yes, the string pattern on the standard 300 will stay the same. I was commenting, in a very unclear way, that the "tour" version of the current 300 is a more open pattern (16x18 ) as compared to the 4D Tour, which will be a tighter pattern (18x20).Pff, very happythat i boughtthe current version and didn't wait... I love the 16x18 pattern, wouldn't want it to be a 18x20 :shock:

Staiger
11-19-2008, 02:52 AM
Cheers Dampener, so basically the 4D technology would make the frame feel abit stiffer , :( ? I guess the only way to find out more about the 4D is to wait until end of Jan and give it 2 hours on the court.

Tennisguy , the 200 is like the older brother of 300 . (Heavier and more mature/control) but not very maneuverable and less attractive :)

whereas the 100 is the lost twin brother of the 200 , only around once every two years but when found it pleases everyone !!!

PimpMyGame
11-19-2008, 06:09 AM
OMG I just bought 2 brand new AG300's (16 x 19) for 32 (about $50) each. They are more than double that price on the bay, only thing with mine is that I didn't get the bag included (no big deal).

I am trying them out tonight. One thing with my Wednesday tennis guys is that it's a mixed bag. A few pushers and some players very difficult to play against. I have two 200G MW's which I love but unless I'm on top of my game I struggle with them. Very flexy and not too forgiving, I feel that they will tend to amplify problems with my game which is great from a learning perspective but when I'm trying to enjoy myself for 2 hours I just want to hit the ball!

Will give an update once I've had a play with them.

ac3111
11-19-2008, 08:23 AM
I received my AG300 a couple of hours ago and it's time show some of my appreciation.
The grip feels sticky to the hand I like that. Gripsize is 2 but it feels like 1 to me. I thought gripsizes were all the same in all racquets no matter the brand.
Tomorrow it will be tested on court.
And it's time for some photos...
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The Dampener
11-19-2008, 08:25 AM
Pff, very happythat i boughtthe current version and didn't wait... I love the 16x18 pattern, wouldn't want it to be a 18x20 :shock:

Right there with ya, Tim. I'm pretty bummed the 16x18 won't live on in the 4D era.

ac3111
11-19-2008, 09:00 AM
Some more...
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The Dampener
11-19-2008, 10:07 AM
...Gripsize is 2 but it feels like 1 to me. I thought gripsizes were all the same in all racquets no matter the brand...

Grip shapes and sizes vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, ThreeEleven.

Funny you should make such an observation, however. I used to use the Dunlop 220G Hotmelt, and when I switched to the Aerogels, the grip size felt larger, not smaller. So I had to by a grip size down from my usual size and build it up with masking tape to get the proper feel.

ac3111
11-19-2008, 09:24 PM
I thought that a 4 1/4 grip size means 4.25 inches long. And inches have the same length everywhere or maybe not?
The grip 2 of the AG 300 is shorter than the grip 2 of my Prince Ozone 7 and Wilson K 6.1. 95.

And some more appreciation...
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http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6576/dsc0246hp6.jpg
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ac3111
11-19-2008, 09:35 PM
My appreciation has no ending...
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/671/dsc0252gp5.jpg
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My photos are a bit disguising. The head in reality seems smaller than in the photos. It's the shot angle that makes it look bigger. And for a moment when I had the Wilson K95 next to the AG300 I thought the AG300 had smaller head but that's not the case...

ericwong
11-19-2008, 10:30 PM
Does anyone know the actual swing weight of aerogel 300 (16 x 18 )? It seems heavier than aerogel 300.

oest10
11-20-2008, 12:19 AM
Does anyone know the actual swing weight of aerogel 300 (16 x 18 )? It seems heavier than aerogel 300.Its heavier on the scale, but the balance is 320 mm instead of 330, which makes it more head-light. So the swingweight might be somewhat similar.

oest10
11-20-2008, 12:21 AM
When i get home today, I will make some photo's of my frames, so ill post them this afternoon.

brownbearfalling
11-20-2008, 02:06 AM
I owned one for the longest time but i could never get around to liking it. The 300g is the best of the 300 series in my opinion. Also i have to say that the Tecnifibre 335 16x20 plays better than the AG 300.

Staiger
11-20-2008, 10:18 AM
OMG I just bought 2 brand new AG300's (16 x 19) for 32 (about $50) each. They are more than double that price on the bay, only thing with mine is that I didn't get the bag included (no big deal).

I am trying them out tonight. One thing with my Wednesday tennis guys is that it's a mixed bag. A few pushers and some players very difficult to play against. I have two 200G MW's which I love but unless I'm on top of my game I struggle with them. Very flexy and not too forgiving, I feel that they will tend to amplify problems with my game which is great from a learning perspective but when I'm trying to enjoy myself for 2 hours I just want to hit the ball!

Will give an update once I've had a play with them.


Thats amazing deal (prob you live in the UK and I saw the 3D version on sale now). Have you got any pics just to see if they are demo version ! and were there many left after you got yours :) (I may need another two )

Staiger
11-20-2008, 10:20 AM
I owned one for the longest time but i could never get around to liking it. The 300g is the best of the 300 series in my opinion. Also i have to say that the Tecnifibre 335 16x20 plays better than the AG 300.


Thanks for your opinion and I am sure it will be appreciated within the AG300 club !:mrgreen: lol

The Dampener
11-20-2008, 03:10 PM
I owned one for the longest time but i could never get around to liking it. The 300g is the best of the 300 series in my opinion. Also i have to say that the Tecnifibre 335 16x20 plays better than the AG 300.

BBF,

Tried to look up the 16x20, but couldn't find it. Is it discontinued? Or sold only in Europe?

The T Fight 320, incidentally, looks to have very similar specs to the highly anticipated 300 4D Tour model.

Damp

ac3111
11-20-2008, 09:49 PM
The first experience with the AG300 was a vast improvement compared to the Prince Ozone 7. The AG300 gave me better feeling without losing in power. Forehands and backhands were more accurate and also the ball stayed low when hit the opponent's side. He had to run a lot more. But I have the impression that headlight sticks are harder to serve with. With the Ozone 7 my serves were not great but I had over 50% serves in and they were more powerful. This must not be bad for someone who's been playing for 2 1/2 months.
I liked the feel of the Dunlop so much more than the Prince Ozone 7. And my opponent noticed the difference but my serves...
Maybe I need to work up a lot my arm/shoulder muscles.
Let's see how the AG300 will feel today, second day of playing with it.

ac3111
11-21-2008, 07:38 AM
AG300 improving and improving... Prince Ozone 7 will remain in the bag for long time...

PimpMyGame
11-21-2008, 08:07 AM
Thats amazing deal (prob you live in the UK and I saw the 3D version on sale now). Have you got any pics just to see if they are demo version ! and were there many left after you got yours :) (I may need another two )

I bought the last two, sorry! What's the demo version, is it just marked up as "demo" but is the same racket, or are they different?

PimpMyGame
11-21-2008, 08:34 AM
Well, I had a 2-hour session with them on Wednesday and I'm very very happy with my AG300s. After playing with a 350g very head light 18x20 racket for a while I was dubious about picking up something that much lighter, and not so HL.

But, I needn't have worried. I found the racket quite manoeuvrable. By the end of the night I was bombing down serves and was confidently hitting good second serves. I felt the more open pattern served me well; ground strokes were a dream and I could get good pop and control when volleying.

I played doubles against 2 other pairs; one pair very awkward "pusher" types who will generally live off their superior consistency; the other pair who go for their shots more but basically not as consistent as me. Both matches consisted of 16 games (with a change of ends every 4 games) so always end up somewhere between 16-0 and 8-8.

Pushers first. Not ideal as I was trying to get used to a different racket, and certainly I was concentrating on just getting my serves in rather than full-blown blasting. We started off slowly, me getting used to the racket and my partner who just had a pretty bad match altogether. We were down 3-1 after the first change of ends and the 2 game difference was constant through the next 3 ends, with us finally losing 9-7. However, once I started to get a feel for the stick I was hitting very nicely with it. The pushers were hitting mostly to my partner so I didn't get a chance to get into the groove. Bad match for my serve, as I didn't win one game on it - a combination of not enough "oomph" and my partner's shocker at the net. However, I finished the match 100% better than I started and was confident I could do better next match. Throughout this match, even when getting used to it, I have to say the AG300 felt very, very comfortable with a Wilson Pro Overgrip and the right level of feedback from the strings with a Wilson smiley face dampner.

Match 2 - all I can say is wow. I served, volleyed, ground stroked and generally powered my opponents off the court. Probably a little too dramatic, as my partner woke up and played better too. However, the sweet spot felt a very generous size compared to my 200G MW and the more open string pattern gave me much more options from the back of the court, without giving away too much control. We won that match 10-6, leading all the way through.

So in summary it's a very promising start. Let's see if this is a honeymoon period or if this stick really suits me better. After picking up my first 200G MW I thought I might be the kind of person who likes very HL quite heavy sticks but the AG300 is making me re-evaluate my stance.

Staiger
11-21-2008, 01:24 PM
I bought the last two, sorry! What's the demo version, is it just marked up as "demo" but is the same racket, or are they different?

Same racket ! But usually the paintjob is not as good because they are not suppose to sell demo rackets. (TBH, it doesnt matter) and for $50 thats just amazing !
:)

Are you ready to join the AG300 club !

PimpMyGame
11-23-2008, 11:55 PM
Same racket ! But usually the paintjob is not as good because they are not suppose to sell demo rackets. (TBH, it doesnt matter) and for $50 thats just amazing !
:)

Are you ready to join the AG300 club !

Count me in, mon capitan!

shell
11-24-2008, 04:28 AM
OK guys, mine will be back from the stringer in two days. Got a pretty good deal on it, and have only hit with a friend's AG 300 briefly. But I've hit also with the 200+ for a short period.

Got it strung at 58 with BDE perf. gut :) so it should be a sweet hit.

I'll keep you posted. I would be coming from a PK 5G, which is slightly heavier and more HL. I may end up putting a leather grip or a bit of lead on the handle to make it slightly more HL, but want to give it a go stock.

I love that Dunlop feel, solid and soft. I am hoping this one does it for me.

PeterFig
11-26-2008, 02:23 PM
Just for fun I bought a AG300 a few days ago to see what a racquet that's above 90sq in is like. I currently play with the K90 and played with the PS85's ... so the AG300 is a stretch for me. I had a good 2 hr hit with it yesterday. Some singles, some doubles. I have mixed reaction to this racquet, but overall i was pleasantly surprised.

The first few minutes I hit the frame in stock form. Way too light in the head. I put a few strips of lead at 3 and 9 positions and all of a sudden this racquet was hitting great. Loads more pop on groundies when hit squarely. Because of it's lighter weight than my K90's I was really able to carve into the ball on slices nicely and whip it around on late balls nicely. I was also serving some bombs when I hit flat and have it kick up quite high on kicker second serves.
Volleying was mixed. When I hit a solid hard volley it was amazing. On touch or angled volleys it was a bit lacking.

I think overall it's a very nice racquet. I don't feel I had the same control or touch as my K90's but the raw power was nice to have. I'm not sure if I switch but I'm looking forward to having some more fun with it on court.

ac3111
11-27-2008, 10:24 AM
I love this stick. Much more manoeuvrable than my previous Prince Ozone 7. When I hit the ball to the ground I feel the ball like it is glued on the racket. My shots are so better-placed, a lot closer to the lines and the corners.
And it gives you a feeling when hitting.
Today I tried it with the Dunlop Muscle weave dampener. The dampener was cut and I had to replace it with another Muscle weave. For a couple of minutes I played without dampener and I did not like it at all. Before the muscle weave dampener I had the square dunlop dampener...

shell
11-27-2008, 02:04 PM
Well, my AG 300 16x19 arrived yesterday and I had a 3 hour hit with it. Pretty happy with the results.

Serves: oh yeah, here it is, all in one light package. Maybe it is the light weight, or the balance, not sure. But this racquet sticks the serves, both hard and spin. A pleasure to serve with and after a few practice serves I was serving great with pace and some heavy spin.

Groundstrokes: Forehands took a little time to dial in, first short, then long. But after 30 min. I found the grove. Nice spin, nice whip through and some pace to go along with it. Backhands took a bit more time. In fact, still working on that. I seemed to come through too early, or shank the ball. Not comfortable with that yet. Stopped to hit a bucket of backhands with easy feeds, and still not comfortable. I hit a one hander, and slices were beautiful, but going over the ball just wasn't there. some time will help

volley: great volley stick. Deep penetrating volleys took a little more work, but I was hitting short crosscout slice volley better than I ever have. Wonderful manuverability with the racquet. Some weight might help with the deeper punch volleys, but overall very good.

Overheads: same. Easy and comfortable. Loved it.

Overall: Loved it. Felt at time I needed a little more weight, but it could just be the adjustment period. Nice crisp feel, and a wonderful "pop" with solid hits. It sounded like I was hitting 100 MPH, although I am sure it was only 99 :twisted: Nice combo of feel, feedback and power.

I am thinking this could be a keeper, and at the very least a great doubles stick. Serve and volley with the racquet would be formidable.

Staiger
11-27-2008, 02:08 PM
Just for fun I bought a AG300 a few days ago to see what a racquet that's above 90sq in is like. I currently play with the K90 and played with the PS85's ... so the AG300 is a stretch for me. I had a good 2 hr hit with it yesterday. Some singles, some doubles. I have mixed reaction to this racquet, but overall i was pleasantly surprised.

The first few minutes I hit the frame in stock form. Way too light in the head. I put a few strips of lead at 3 and 9 positions and all of a sudden this racquet was hitting great. Loads more pop on groundies when hit squarely. Because of it's lighter weight than my K90's I was really able to carve into the ball on slices nicely and whip it around on late balls nicely. I was also serving some bombs when I hit flat and have it kick up quite high on kicker second serves.
Volleying was mixed. When I hit a solid hard volley it was amazing. On touch or angled volleys it was a bit lacking.

I think overall it's a very nice racquet. I don't feel I had the same control or touch as my K90's but the raw power was nice to have. I'm not sure if I switch but I'm looking forward to having some more fun with it on court.

I played with both the K90 and AG300 as well , and I have to disagree with you :( ! There is more feel/touch on soft(angle ) volley with the AG300 compare with the K90 and it is much more manurevable around the net. But there is a little bit more control from the baseline when using the K90. Overall they are both brilliant racquets and depend on the style you play ;you may prefer one to the other !

Staiger
11-27-2008, 02:14 PM
Shell,

Have you try with some lead (10-12g) on the throat of the racket yet, and trust me , it will turn the racquet from good to brilliant in performance. (It may help with your OHB as well !)

Also I would invest in a good dampener for the racquet as well , and as AC3111 says , it will make a big difference :)

AT92292
11-27-2008, 02:14 PM
Been using the 300 since it came out i need to be in this club

shell
11-27-2008, 02:23 PM
Shell,

Have you try with some lead (10-12g) on the throat of the racket yet, and trust me , it will turn the racquet from good to brilliant in performance. (It may help with your OHB as well !)

Also I would invest in a good dampener for the racquet as well , and as AC3111 says , it will make a big difference :)

Yep, one of the first things I did was pop a Gamma Shockbuster on it. I like a slightly soft or muted feel, so it goes on any racquet I hit with. Also, am just now coming out of several months of elbow issues, so ditto, the dampener goes on everything! I think it helped with that pop sound too!

I will probably try some lead, but I wanted to go stock for the first couple of hits to get a good feel of the racquet. It wasn't that I felt it HAD to have lead, but at times I felt whippy, and that a tad bit of weight would have helped. In fact, I am going to go very slow on the lead, because I really don't think it needs much. Just a tad to stabalize the head, and maybe a tad in the butt to keep the same balance. But not much! It is close to great as is!

ac3111
11-27-2008, 02:32 PM
When my Dunlop muscle weave dampener was torn, I did not want to stop playing and replace it. So I kept on playing. After a while the noise of the strings was distracting me. So I stopped playing for a couple of minutes and replaced it with another muscle weave dampener.

I think I may have found a way to maintain some of the feel and at the same time to avoid this sound of the strings. I will post a photo later.

Staiger
11-27-2008, 02:34 PM
Gamma shockbuster- I gave up on those after 1 of them popped while I was playing and one bursted when I try to squeeze it on to the string..and it went everywhere !!!!!!

I used my traditional dampeners, -(had the set for serveral years ) and on serve it does make a nice 'pop' even at 85mph.

and yes , if you feel comfortable with the stock form then you dont need the lead

shell
11-27-2008, 03:11 PM
Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving to all of you - US posters anyway. Non - US posters, please excuse our sluggishness, as we are stuffed from our feasting holiday :) We may be a little slow to react!

Ronny
11-27-2008, 06:47 PM
i plan to get one of these, can anyone give me a reivew on it? thanks!

CTennis11
11-27-2008, 07:46 PM
I just got these in the mail the other day and I set it up to string it, but klipperusa.com did not have the string set up. I got the information from tenniswarehouse, but if anyone else strings their own can you tell me where you tied off? Oh yeah and if anyone needs to buy one or two of these rackets I have some that have the wrong grip size for me (4 3/8) that I am looking to sell

Staiger
11-28-2008, 02:37 PM
i plan to get one of these, can anyone give me a reivew on it? thanks!

There you go :

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback.html?pcode=DAG300

It is exceptional around the net , good control on groundstrokes from baseline and plenty of spin as well. Serve is fantastic with the racket (pace and pin-point accuracy). It weight around 309g but it feels and play like a heavier racket due to the balence and the beam width. The stick is also lead ''friendly''

shell
11-28-2008, 02:53 PM
OK, guys, I have just gone crazy and purchased two Euro AG 300s 16x18 from a site here in the US that has a limited supply. Should get them in late next week. Second hit with the 16x19 was great, but I am just curious about the slightly heavier version. It is the equivalent to the "tour" that should hit the US next year in the 4D version, but different string pattern.

Tim, how are yours working out. Haven't heard from you in a while. I assume you are on the courts everyday :)

Staiger - yep, some lead will help and I will be experimenting with that next week also. Going to go stock through this weekend just to make sure.

Happy hitting to all the 300 appreciation society!

The Dampener
11-28-2008, 03:28 PM
OK, guys, I have just gone crazy and purchased two Euro AG 300s 16x18 from a site here in the US that has a limited supply.

Shell, I don't suppose you'd care to share your source. I've worn out my typing fingers trying to locate 16x18s. By the way, if you like a heavier, more stable frame, you're going to love this model.

Damp

The Dampener
11-28-2008, 03:31 PM
Nevermind. Figured it out. Pricey selection.

shell
11-28-2008, 03:49 PM
Nevermind. Figured it out. Pricey selection.

Yeah, they were not cheap, and I hesitated because I knew the new models were coming out. But I use a 4 1/4 and have been burned before by waiting for the "sale". Seems the most popular grip size. I will wait for the new version to see if there is any appriciable difference, but I am happy that I will have two alrealy to compare with. And if there is not much difference, then I am done.

I do like the black matt finish on the throat of the new ones. For some reason, that has always been my fav finish. Black matt for looks, and for some "sticky" feeling on the 1HBH take back - no slipping.

Who knows, I may prefer the regular 300, but I just couldn't pass up the chance to try those specs - they seem perfect for me.

On a totally different note - I have noticed my string wear pattern to be at the botton of the top 1/3 of the racquet. This was a dead spot on my PK 5Gs, and it seems to be my happy spot on the Dunlops. I wonder if the egg shaped head fits me better. Anyone else had that experience?

The Dampener
11-28-2008, 08:13 PM
Yeah, they were not cheap, and I hesitated because I knew the new models were coming out. But I use a 4 1/4 and have been burned before by waiting for the "sale". Seems the most popular grip size. I will wait for the new version to see if there is any appriciable difference, but I am happy that I will have two alrealy to compare with. And if there is not much difference, then I am done.

You'll probably find the grip sizes to be true. I have two of both the 16x19 and the 16x18 frame in 1/4 grip, and they're all the same. Where they very from is past models. I'm a 3/8 in most frames, including past Dunlops. But on all the Aerogels, I had to go down a grips size and build up with masking tape.

Ronny
11-28-2008, 10:58 PM
does anyone know the swingweight of the heavier ag300? i know a shop is aus that sells them and am very interested...also does anyone know the sw for the ag200 16/19 as well???

Staiger
11-29-2008, 02:29 AM
does anyone know the swingweight of the heavier ag300? i know a shop is aus that sells them and am very interested...also does anyone know the sw for the ag200 16/19 as well???

I am not too sure about the swingweight for the AG300(16X18 ) ; so I will pass that question on to Damp , Tim and Shell

For the AG300 (16X19) THE swing weight is 317 ....(but it feels like around 325..strange !)

Staiger
11-29-2008, 02:41 AM
AG300 improving and improving... Prince Ozone 7 will remain in the bag for long time...

LOL; If you get another 300 you dont have to carry that Ozone with you to the court :) Thats what happened to my MG Extreme, Radical MP and PureDrive.... all rotting in the garage

Ronny
11-29-2008, 02:46 AM
I am not too sure about the swingweight for the AG300(16X18 ) ; so I will pass that question on to Damp , Tim and Shell

For the AG300 (16X19) THE swing weight is 317 ....(but it feels like around 325..strange !)

perhaps ur one was a 325sw? quality control +/-

Ronny
11-29-2008, 02:47 AM
the specs of the 200 are really attracting me to it right now, but has anyone got a reivew of either racquets?

ac3111
11-29-2008, 04:48 AM
LOL; If you get another 300 you dont have to carry that Ozone with you to the court :) Thats what happened to my MG Extreme, Radical MP and PureDrive.... all rotting in the garage

In my Prostuff Wilson bag there is room only for two rackets. Ozone 7 is ditched... I carry the AG300 and the K 95 with me but playing only with the AG300. When arms strengthen and technique is maximized I will give K 95 a go...

And something else I posted on the other equipment board. I used the dunlop muscle weave dampener. I broke 2 in the first 2 days I used them. Nice feel but durability zero.

CTennis11
11-29-2008, 07:19 AM
Does anyone have the tie off locations for this racket?

Staiger
11-29-2008, 10:32 AM
Does anyone have the tie off locations for this racket?

Not a pro in stringing , so this is pretty hard to describe... It is tied at position 2 and 3 of the Mains ( 1 top and 1 bottom) ...does that make any sense to you , possibly not!

CTennis11
11-29-2008, 12:29 PM
Not a pro in stringing , so this is pretty hard to describe... It is tied at position 2 and 3 of the Mains ( 1 top and 1 bottom) ...does that make any sense to you , possibly not!

Hmm...when I did mine I tied off on the 6th string(bottom) for the mains and 7th string(top) for the crosses. Is this right?

shell
11-29-2008, 01:28 PM
My one piece is tied off at the 11th grommet from the top and botton - the third cross on each. Really, if you found a grommet that works, I think it is fine. I've not tried two piece yet, but usually I just go for a hole that fits for the tieoffs. The idea is not to damage the grommets as you tie your knots.

CTennis11
11-29-2008, 03:28 PM
My one piece is tied off at the 11th grommet from the top and botton - the third cross on each. Really, if you found a grommet that works, I think it is fine. I've not tried two piece yet, but usually I just go for a hole that fits for the tieoffs. The idea is not to damage the grommets as you tie your knots.

Yeah I think you're right. I just wasn't sure if someone knew the location that the stringers digest or anything gave. I went to the dunlop site and they had stringing instructions, but the link was dead.

shell
11-29-2008, 04:42 PM
Yeah I think you're right. I just wasn't sure if someone knew the location that the stringers digest or anything gave. I went to the dunlop site and they had stringing instructions, but the link was dead.

Yes, I tried the same Dunlop site but couldn't get it to work either. I thought it was my Mac. Anyway, just go with what you have until we can find out for sure.

Staiger
11-30-2008, 02:58 AM
AG300... Great frame, just needs to be a little heavier...

Hi ! I know what you mean , but have you try the tour version yet , it is slightly heavier with a more open stringing pattern . It is a great frame for an all-rounder.. but it take sometimes to get into if you previously used a heavier stick

shell
11-30-2008, 06:44 AM
i plan to get one of these, can anyone give me a reivew on it? thanks!

Hey Ronny, haven't meant to ignore you. I will write something up, but I don't even have them yet. They ship tomorrow, and I should be able to play them some this coming weekend.

I have also been unable to find the SW, but when I get mine, I will try to give you an estimate.

Damp and Tim currently play these - can you guys post up a quick review?

The Dampener
11-30-2008, 02:15 PM
I'm not much of a reviewer, but I'll give you my take on the 16x18. Just for reference, my recent racquet travels have taken me from the Dunlop 200G to the AG200 to the AG200 16x19 to the AG300 and finally to the AG300 16x18.

In my opinion, all of these Dunlops play exactly as their specs suggest they would.

The AG300 feels closer to its 200 brethren due to its weight and balance. Being a tad lighter than the 200, it's quicker through the ball on groundies and more manueverable at the net. The trade-off is a touch less accuracy and a bit less plow through. Even though the head supplies more power, you'll need add a little muscle to win the collision with the ball, both at the baseline and at the net. But after you've used the frame a bit, you don't even notice it.

Here's the good part...With the slightly larger head, and more open string pattern, this frame will do what you tell it to. Rocket a serve? No problem. Swing your opponent wide with some nasty kick? Piece of cake. Hit a zippy approach? Easy. Drop a wicked touch volley at the net? You got it.

I'm not much of an expert at this, but in my opinion, the 16x18 is ideal for somebody who likes to do a lot of different things with the racquet. All-courters should love it. Doubles players as well. The one thing it might not be great for is young, hard-hitting baseliners. There's probably too much oomph in the stick for that.

I'm in my forties. Still quick on my feet. Though, the endurance and strength aren't what they used to be. I loved the AG200. But I noticed I was getting a little late on the ball. And I finally admitted to myself that I needed something lighter. But the AG300 16x19 just seemed too light, mostly at the net where hard shots were knocking the racquet back a bit. But when I tried the 16x18, it was the perfect compromise between my heavier love--the AG200--and the normal 300.

It's a good stick. But we all like different things. Give it a try if you can get you hands on one. Or...lead up the head of a 16x19 at 3 and 9 with about 3-4 grams and the rest on the handle until you approximate the weight of the 16x18 and it will behave pretty close to the 16x18.

Hope that helps.

Steve F.
11-30-2008, 02:51 PM
Hiya Dampener -
Thanks for the post, good stuff. A few questions here...
As a long time 200 user - and AG300 (nontour) owner - I've been dying to know whether the mold for the AG300 Tour 16x18 is the same as the AG300 or the 200... Published specs read 20mm for the 16 x18 v. 21mm for the 16x19...
Seeing as you've played so many of the recent Dunlop frames, how does the shape of the mold of the 16x18 physically match up to the 200 and AG300?
My biggest gripe with the AG300 is its lack of mass - even the AG200 feels a bit thin comared to the MFil and MW 200's.
How would you compare the AG300 Tour 16x18's feel?
Finally, what string and tension are you playing in there? Thanks --

shell
11-30-2008, 02:51 PM
Damp thanks so much. Ronny had emailed me for a review, and since I have not HIT with the racquet yet, I wanted to defer to you guys.

Don't underestimate yourself, you wrote a great review. It reinforces the reasons I order the 16x18 300. I am in the same boat as you, and am female at that, so I wanted a somewhat light, but yet stable racquet with the feel of the 16x19. I still play aggressive, but my mobility, footwork and timing are not what they were when I was 20.

Ronny, I hope this helps. You may very well like the 200, but I think this will give you a pretty good idea of the differences between the two.

I have played with a HM 200G, but I just found I was not up to task anymore with that excellent racquet. But you may still find some wiggle room to custom fit the 200. I found none. It was at the very top end, and even over, of my specs. The 300 16x19 was fine, but would require some lead and work. The 16x18 seemed ideal. Time will tell.

Again, thanks Damp for the great review.

Happy hitting to all the AG 300ers out there. May your topspin land within inches of the baseline, and your serves whiz by your helpless opponents! All the while enjoying that special Dunlop feel and feedback!

The Dampener
11-30-2008, 03:29 PM
Hiya Dampener -
Thanks for the post, good stuff. A few questions here...
As a long time 200 user - and AG300 (nontour) owner - I've been dying to know whether the mold for the AG300 Tour 16x18 is the same as the AG300 or the 200... Published specs read 20mm for the 16 x18 v. 21mm for the 16x19...
Seeing as you've played so many of the recent Dunlop frames, how does the shape of the mold of the 16x18 physically match up to the 200 and AG300?
My biggest gripe with the AG300 is its lack of mass - even the AG200 feels a bit thin comared to the MFil and MW 200's.
How would you compare the AG300 Tour 16x18's feel?
Finally, what string and tension are you playing in there? Thanks --

Steve, if the specs say the mold is different,it probably is--I can't say for sure. The two versions look identical to me when I hold them in my hands, but who can tell the difference of 1mm? Not me.

The shape is pretty close, I think, with the 300 being a very slight more oval-shaped. The difference isn't much. Of course, I'm going from memory, not a side-by-side comparison.

In my opinion, the 16x18 feels closer to the AG200 than the AG300. It's mostly the weight and balance at work. The 200 16x19 and 300 16x18 feel even more similar, just as their specs suggest.

I know what you mean by the 300s lack of mass. That's why I leaded mine up to about 11.8 oz. I liked the 200s mass. Maybe you just prefer a heavier stick.

As for strings, I used Yonex Tour Super 850 Pro strung at 56lbs. But I like a very soft, dampened feel. Strung low, the 16x18 really pockets the ball when you swing.

The Dampener
11-30-2008, 03:35 PM
Don't underestimate yourself, you wrote a great review. It reinforces the reasons I order the 16x18 300. I am in the same boat as you, and am female at that, so I wanted a somewhat light, but yet stable racquet with the feel of the 16x19. I still play aggressive, but my mobility, footwork and timing are not what they were when I was 20...

...I have played with a HM 200G, but I just found I was not up to task anymore with that excellent racquet.

shell,

I loved the HM200G. I got several good years out of that frame. But I know what you mean. Once I tried the AG200, I moved quickly to it.

I've only been at this for a few years, however, so as my skills increased, and I started playing better, stronger opponents, I couldn't keep up with the 95" heads. I had to go lighter. So far the 16x18 is giving me what I need.

I still get the urge to use the 200 again, but then my better judgement settles in.

: )

ericwong
11-30-2008, 06:10 PM
Currently, I owned M-fil 200 16x19 and AG300 16 x 1 8. The specs are similar except for the swing weight and RA. IMO, AG300 is more powerful because the RA is 63 while M-fil is 67. The lower the RA , the less stiff the racquet will be. I switched between racquets on occasions and I feel there is no much tweaking in my strokes, except for the power it produced. I strung my m-fil @58 and Ag300 @55/53. Guess I need to string my AG300 to 58 to give a better judgment of the power it generates. All in all, I am very satisfied with both racquets. :)

D-A-C
12-01-2008, 11:48 AM
upto last week i was using the APD Cortex but after having a set with an aerogel 300 I was sold.

One of the best rackets i have used in a long time!!

Sports Direct in the UK are selling these for 32 ($47!) - ended up buying 5!!

shell
12-01-2008, 12:59 PM
upto last week i was using the APD Cortex but after having a set with an aerogel 300 I was sold.

One of the best rackets i have used in a long time!!

Sports Direct in the UK are selling these for 32 ($47!) - ended up buying 5!!

Congratulations, and welcome to the boards! I am sure you will enjoy this racquet, and do keep us updated on your game. Also what you love about this racquet.

FloridaAG
12-01-2008, 01:30 PM
Currently, I owned M-fil 200 16x19 and AG300 16 x 1 8. The specs are similar except for the swing weight and RA. IMO, AG300 is more powerful because the RA is 63 while M-fil is 67. The lower the RA , the less stiff the racquet will be. I switched between racquets on occasions and I feel there is no much tweaking in my strokes, except for the power it produced. I strung my m-fil @58 and Ag300 @55/53. Guess I need to string my AG300 to 58 to give a better judgment of the power it generates. All in all, I am very satisfied with both racquets. :)

I have 3 M-fil 200s 16X19 and have hit with teh AG 300 - I know the frames say the RA on the M-Fil is 67 but I don't think that is accurate at all - TW has it rated at 64 and say that they test the frames - I think it is stiffer than the 300 but not as stiff as 67 would indicate.

PimpMyGame
12-02-2008, 08:29 AM
upto last week i was using the APD Cortex but after having a set with an aerogel 300 I was sold.

One of the best rackets i have used in a long time!!

Sports Direct in the UK are selling these for 32 ($47!) - ended up buying 5!!

Mate I got 2 at the Norwich store (same price), it's all they had left!! Any more in your part of the country?

PimpMyGame
12-02-2008, 08:33 AM
Question re 16x19 AG300:

Has anyone tried 10g lead under the grip, 10g in the throat and 10g in the 3/9 o'clock area? After playing a couple of times I may experiment to see if I can get a little more plow thru and possibly a bit more direction on the ball. Those are the only things I'd change at the moment, and even these may settle down with a bit more play.

Thanks

The Dampener
12-02-2008, 08:47 AM
Question re 16x19 AG300:

Has anyone tried 10g lead under the grip, 10g in the throat and 10g in the 3/9 o'clock area? After playing a couple of times I may experiment to see if I can get a little more plow thru and possibly a bit more direction on the ball. Those are the only things I'd change at the moment, and even these may settle down with a bit more play.

Thanks

Yes. Many 300ers lead their frames similar to your set-up. More often on the handle and the head than on the throat. But you've got the right approach. Lead up, and keep tinkering 'til you've got it just the way you like it.

Damp

PimpMyGame
12-02-2008, 08:56 AM
^^great, thanks for the heads up. Time to order another bucket of lead.

Staiger
12-02-2008, 10:09 AM
^^great, thanks for the heads up. Time to order another bucket of lead.


Hi, I see that you got 2 nblades in your bag. What are their problems and how do you rate your AG300 compare to it. This is because I am thinking of getting one while it is on sale at a tennis-shop !

Staiger
12-02-2008, 10:19 AM
upto last week i was using the APD Cortex but after having a set with an aerogel 300 I was sold.

One of the best rackets i have used in a long time!!

Sports Direct in the UK are selling these for 32 ($47!) - ended up buying 5!!

I had a APDC as well before I had the AG300 , and after a week of APDC I sold it on the Bay to some Nadal fan (just afterWimbledon) for more than I paid for. IMO, It is a terrible racket and it doesnt offer anything to my game !

D-A-C,
Welcome to the world of AG300

robertg06
12-02-2008, 10:47 AM
upto last week i was using the APD Cortex but after having a set with an aerogel 300 I was sold.

One of the best rackets i have used in a long time!!

Sports Direct in the UK are selling these for 32 ($47!) - ended up buying 5!!

Are they really selling the 300 for 32? I can only find it for 70...I would so buy one for 32

PimpMyGame
12-04-2008, 03:34 AM
Are they really selling the 300 for 32? I can only find it for 70...I would so buy one for 32

Really - I bought both mine from Sports Direct too, 32 each. The have "Demo" printed on the cellophane grip overwrap, apparantly this means the paint job is not so good but who cares for 32!

PimpMyGame
12-04-2008, 03:42 AM
Hi, I see that you got 2 nblades in your bag. What are their problems and how do you rate your AG300 compare to it. This is because I am thinking of getting one while it is on sale at a tennis-shop !

Hi Staiger

It's really horses for courses. The stock nBlades are a decent weight (304g unstrung), quite flexy and reasonable balance (slightly HL) but since trying the Dunlop TP95 MW I have a hankering for a more open string pattern, which seems to be more forgiving for me. The AG300s also seem a bit more head light which I like.

One thing I noticed with the AG300, is that it's a bit more powerful so you can keep your strokes a bit more compact. Not necessarily what the purists would like in a racket, but I know my limitations and for me more compact strokes = more consistency.

All said though, if you can get an nBlade cheap I'd say go for it as they're a lot of fun, even if the addiction is generally short-lived.

shell
12-04-2008, 05:32 PM
Ok, my AG 300 16x18's are HERE! Unable to play tonight, but I have been admiring them all evening.

Dunlop card specs listed the strung weight at 11.3 oz. Mine came in at 11.25 per my scale. They were both exactly EQUAL! Good job Dunlop! Mine are both strung with VS gut, and with slight string weight differences, I will take those specs. With Wilson Pro overgrip and Dunlop shock absorber they weigh 11.5 oz.

Someone asked about the mold. I'm no expert here, but besides the obvious beam width difference, it looks similar except for the throat. The throat is longer on the 16x18. The space above the top of the handle is much shorter. On the 16x19 there was room for the full Dunlop symbol, on the 16x18 it was reduced to a very small print "Dunlop". Room for a fingernail or so. So I think maybe a different mold, but I don't know about these things.

The swingweight seems actually less than the 16x19. If the 16x19 is listed at about 315, then the 16x18 seems 309, 310 to me. My 16x19s have about 4 grams of lead in butt and only 1.5 grams of lead at 3 and 9. But it was a noticable difference. I will give them a stock hit this weekend, but I may add a small amount of lead to 3 and 9 (like 2 grams) and see what that does for stability and SW.

It feels nice swinging around my living room (almost took out a glass of iced tea!), but the court time will be much more telling.

Play test to come soon.

gocard
12-04-2008, 09:20 PM
hey congrats on your new racquets, shell! Hope you'll get to try them out soon :)

shell
12-05-2008, 03:51 AM
hey congrats on your new racquets, shell! Hope you'll get to try them out soon :)

Thanks Gocard! I think I am finally close to honing in on what I want out of a racquet. It's been a year on the merry go round, and frustrating also. When you are out of the game for 15 years, so much changes - so it took a while.

I still like my PK 5Gs, but I think I like the feel of Dunlop better. These may be it for a while.

ac3111
12-05-2008, 07:58 AM
The last 2 days I have been hitting with an RDS 003 2008. It feels more powerful than my AG300 but lacks a little bit the feel and for sure the manoeuvrability of my AG300. My backhands though are more solid and I feel the RDS is a bit more stable but it does not give the same level of feel and feedback like the AG300.
I like the louder pop sound of the RDS 003 but I think I should be hitting with a racket like the RDS 002 in order to make a comparison with the AG300.

The Dampener
12-05-2008, 08:37 AM
Shell, post your impressions once you've had a chance to swing 'em.

I'm lovingly re-overgripping my 16x18s right now. The three of us are off to out combo districts this weekend.

; )

shell
12-05-2008, 09:35 AM
Shell, post your impressions once you've had a chance to swing 'em.

I'm lovingly re-overgripping my 16x18s right now. The three of us are off to out combo districts this weekend.

; )

I'll post something up - weather looks pretty good this weekend. Mid 50's. Not too bad for December.

Good luck in your combo matches! Talk sweet to your Dunlops, and they will return the favor with sweet shots all match long.

The Dampener
12-05-2008, 11:58 AM
Oh, I talk to them all the time. Just ask my partners and opponents. : )

Happy hitting this weekend!

Tennisguy777
12-05-2008, 12:32 PM
I am appreciating the lightness of the AG300 the AG200 is killing me the 3 sq. in. difference is also becoming huge for me! And they just developed my dream racquet and they are calling it the Aerogel 4D 300.

Staiger
12-05-2008, 01:26 PM
:)Hi Staiger

It's really horses for courses. The stock nBlades are a decent weight (304g unstrung), quite flexy and reasonable balance (slightly HL) but since trying the Dunlop TP95 MW I have a hankering for a more open string pattern, which seems to be more forgiving for me. The AG300s also seem a bit more head light which I like.

One thing I noticed with the AG300, is that it's a bit more powerful so you can keep your strokes a bit more compact. Not necessarily what the purists would like in a racket, but I know my limitations and for me more compact strokes = more consistency.

All said though, if you can get an nBlade cheap I'd say go for it as they're a lot of fun, even if the addiction is generally short-lived.

Thanks for the review , I may just go and buy the blades because I recently sold my ADPC (Which was absolutely garbage) and currently someone is interested in my K95 , which ia a good stick but lack feel around the net.

Staiger
12-05-2008, 01:29 PM
I am appreciating the lightness of the AG300 the AG200 is killing me the 3 sq. in. difference is also becoming huge for me! And they just developed my dream racquet and they are calling it the Aerogel 4D 300.

Yes , I am waiting for both 4D-300 and the tour version , the spec look pretty decent (Just a month til arrival):)

PimpMyGame
12-07-2008, 08:34 AM
:)

Thanks for the review , I may just go and buy the blades because I recently sold my ADPC (Which was absolutely garbage) and currently someone is interested in my K95 , which ia a good stick but lack feel around the net.

No problem, it was short and sweet but nevertheless I do like my nBlades, it's just that the grass is always greener. And the AG300 grass is perfectly to my liking at the moment!

rich01
12-07-2008, 08:59 AM
Has anyone been able to compare the aerogel 300 and the 500 Tour?

brownbearfalling
12-07-2008, 01:38 PM
I just bought one....To compare with the tecnifibre 335 16x20's i got.

D-A-C
12-07-2008, 03:25 PM
Mate I got 2 at the Norwich store (same price), it's all they had left!! Any more in your part of the country?

there are 4 stores in Essex near me - all have sold out!!

D-A-C
12-07-2008, 03:29 PM
Has anyone been able to compare the aerogel 300 and the 500 Tour?

i have hit with both - IMO the 300 has more feel and control, and i can generate just as much power.

apparently Dunlop tried to make the 500 play like a Babolat PD?!?!

Staiger
12-07-2008, 03:33 PM
i have hit with both - IMO the 300 has more feel and control, and i can generate just as much power.

apparently Dunlop tried to make the 500 play like a Babolat PD?!?!

The AG500 Tour hits pretty similar to the MGExtreme MP and yes it does play like a PD as well ! I prefer the balance of the 300 and the thinner beam width .

ccjta
12-07-2008, 09:45 PM
Anyone have any updated info on where 4D will take the 300? Will there be one model, or more?

Thanks
Damp

There will be a 4D Aerogel 3 Hundred, 98", 16/19, 290g unstrung, 330mm balance. There will also be a 4D Aerogel 3 Hundred Tour, 97", 18/20, 305g unstrung, 320mm balance. I've been told James Blake will be using the Tour model.

robertg06
12-08-2008, 09:28 AM
I think I'm gonna get a AG 300, but do people think I should wait and pay for the more expensive 4D 300/Tour or buy the now cheap AG 300?

shell
12-08-2008, 09:52 AM
I think I'm gonna get a AG 300, but do people think I should wait and pay for the more expensive 4D 300/Tour or buy the now cheap AG 300?

Well, alot of people did not find the current AG to be a hugh change from the previous MFil line. I guess if you really like the current ones, buy them cheap. The new version may not be worth the hugh price difference for slight changes from the current.

Although alot of people are really looking at that tour version. If that interests you, then you may want to wait - but it will be full price.

robertg06
12-08-2008, 10:01 AM
Yeah the 300 Tour looks interesting to me as well. I think I'm gonna wait and try and demo the 4D and the AG and compare them and see if the price difference is really worth it.

shell
12-08-2008, 10:23 AM
OK guys. I had my first weekend with the 300 16x18.

About me:

I'm mid 40s female that has been out of the game for over 15 years. I played DII college tennis in the early 80s, and was rated 5.0 shortly after that for some league play in Atlanta. Then I quit again for 15 years. Back in for about 1 year.

Soooo, pretty decent fairly classic hitter, OHBH that I slice about 40-50% of the time these days. Extreme eastern FH grip (my only change coming back into the game) that I hit with moderate topspin. Timing and footwork are off, and probably just isn't going to improve much at this point. Serve is my strength, I can play all court. Consistency hurts me in most matches.

The sticks:

I had a bit of difficulty with the lightness of this racquet. My 16x19s are leaded slightly with 7 gms split between butt and 3x9. The SW of the 16x18 felt very light. And that is how it hit. My timing was way off, especially on the backhand. But I didn't groove any strokes with this racquet at first.

Serve - I thought that even unleaded it hit a nice serve. And the spin potential is certainly there. This is one area that the HL balance helped, you can really work the head around the ball it feels like on your serve.

Groundstrokes - Both FH and BH I had to work for some depth. Spin was nice, but I would not say extreme. Slices, when hit with a nice follow through, were very effective. Some bite when they hit the court on the other side. But I alway felt like I wanted a little more racquet behind the ball.

Volley - Same as above. You could get this racquet in whatever position you wanted, but lacked a little umph behind it. If I hit it perfect, it was better. If I didn't get set up perfect or was slightly off center, not much behind the volley. Pretty good soft touch, although I have not hit great soft angle volleys in a while - but it felt like it could do this well in a different players hands. I liked volleying with it, but it did make me work hard.

Return - I got pushed around. Returns are not my strength anyway, but I missed the 16x19s balance a bit here. I seem to be in a weird place on returns - I hit out too much with the 16x19 and I don't get enough depth on the 16x18. But then, I was going back and forth with them a bit this weekend. I would like something in between. Lead maybe?

Overall, it was not love at first hit. I am going to lead it some at 3x9 or 12 and see if I can find a balance that suits me better. If I had to play stock, I think I would choose the 16x19 because the lighter overall weight seems to have less effect than the light SW of the 16x18. But I have lead on both of them (small amounts for now) and will continue to tweek to see if I can't make this work. I'm hoping that with just a little lead, the 16x18 will come to life for me. It feels like it could, just not there yet.

And there is snow coming. Tis the season to miss out on some tennis. :mad:

shell
12-08-2008, 04:47 PM
Keifers, "you've got mail"

Bengt
12-08-2008, 05:29 PM
I couldn't find instructions so I took a shot at it.

Stringing the Aerogel 300 16x18 (please correct if needed)...

One Piece
Skip holes: 8T, 7,9H
Tie main: 6H
Start cross: 7H
Tie cross: 6T

The Dampener
12-08-2008, 07:08 PM
Interesting, Shell. I found the 16x18 to be everything you didn't. Guess that just proves the "different strokes" philosophy.

And your experiences with the two 300 versions run counterintuitive to their respective specs. You should be hitting out with the heavier, more powerful 16x18. But it sounds like your experiencing the opposite. Also, you would add tape to 3 and 9 to improve stability, but I find the 16x18 to be much more stable than the 16x19. I find this truly perplexing.

Good luck with the customizing. Might be time to see a racquet specialist.

Or...maybe you just need a little more quality time with the 16x18.

: )

shell
12-08-2008, 07:51 PM
Interesting, Shell. I found the 16x18 to be everything you didn't. Guess that just proves the "different strokes" philosophy.

And your experiences with the two 300 versions run counterintuitive to their respective specs. You should be hitting out with the heavier, more powerful 16x18. But it sounds like your experiencing the opposite. Also, you would add tape to 3 and 9 to improve stability, but I find the 16x18 to be much more stable than the 16x19. I find this truly perplexing.

Good luck with the customizing. Might be time to see a racquet specialist.

Or...maybe you just need a little more quality time with the 16x18.

: )

Yep, Damp, your thoughts were exactly my thoughts as I walked off the court. How could this be?!

But I do think the time with the racquet is a big factor here. And my odd circumstances are a bit unique, which is why I tried to be very specific in my description of my game. I have a couple different factors playing against me when I go out to hit a racquet.

But I can say that the 16x18 hits different than my PK 5G, even though the specs are very similar. The Dunlop just felt light to me, compared to my similar spec PK. I think some additional time on the court with it may hold some bearing. The balance issues will work itself out. On my forehand, I am much more flexible with balance. On my backhand, I need to find some good timing. This will come.

In no way have I ruled this racquet out. But I need time and possibly some balance changes to find my groove.

Or maybe I am just weird! :twisted:

The Dampener
12-09-2008, 08:21 AM
You and I have travelled similar paths. I was once a 5G user (had the elbow).

Have you considered tinker with the strings on the 16x18?

Also, there are subtle ways to alter balance without making a lead-tape mummy out of your frame. A heavier/lighter grip. An overgrip. Head tape.

Keep up the test drive. Keep up the dialog. See where it goes.

eplea
12-09-2008, 11:06 PM
any recommendations for a restring? Use Prince synth. gut on most of my other rackets.

Here are a couple pics (sorry for quality, in a bit of a rush....off to the court)

http://i34.tinypic.com/rcuj4z.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/35a87ti.jpg

shell
12-10-2008, 03:40 AM
Eplea, nice looking pics there. I love how you got the Aerogel and the Dunlop string writing together (and in focus). Cool.

I would think your usual syn. gut would be fine. It is good to go with strings you are familiar with when you are working out a new racquet tension and set up.

My current ones have gut in them, which I love, but I also go with soft multis like NRG2 or Multifeel. also use X-1 biphase quite a bit. These I use on all my racquets. I am also new to the AG 300, so I haven't tried many setups yet

Hope you enjoy your AG 300!

The Dampener
12-10-2008, 08:04 AM
...but I also go with soft multis like NRG2 or Multifeel. also use X-1 biphase quite a bit.

Shell, I use Yonex Tour Super 850 Pros. Ever had a chance to compare my multis to yours?

EikelBeiter
12-10-2008, 10:22 AM
I am currently testing the 300 16*18. So far i like it a lot. I tried kirschbaum redcode on it, which played nicely. Now i have it strung with babolat pro hurricane tour, which i find less comfortable. Anyone knows a good poly for this racket?

EikelBeiter
12-10-2008, 10:27 AM
i ment kirschbaum pro line 2 actually :oops:

Staiger
12-10-2008, 10:42 AM
Ashaway Crossfire 17 work pretty well with mine (16x19) , and there also the Luxilon Alu rough (preference).Heard the Cyber blue and Livewire 16 also work well with the stick.

Dampener, what is the feel/power like on those Yonex strings , I have never used Yonex brannd before so I am eager to know , as I might have missed something decent.

shell
12-10-2008, 11:47 AM
Shell, I use Yonex Tour Super 850 Pros. Ever had a chance to compare my multis to yours?

Damp, that string is on my "to test" list. I have heard good things about it...but for now - I'm not cutting my gut out :twisted:

The Dampener
12-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Anyone knows a good poly for this racket?

Poly? In a Dunlop? Blasphemy!

The Dampener
12-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Dampener, what is the feel/power like on those Yonex strings , I have never used Yonex brannd before so I am eager to know , as I might have missed something decent.

I don't know that I'm the best person to answer that. I can tell you the feel is similar to Sensation, with a lot less string movement. As for power, I string low (56lbs.), so it's not really an issue for me.

The Dampener
12-10-2008, 12:09 PM
Damp, that string is on my "to test" list. I have heard good things about it...but for now - I'm not cutting my gut out :twisted:

How do people afford gut? That's what I want to know. At $20-30 per stringing, that would hit me harder than a 2008 401K.

EikelBeiter
12-10-2008, 01:29 PM
Poly? In a Dunlop? Blasphemy!

Hehe, the last years i've only played with Rip Control. But its too light for the 300 16*18. A poly string gives me 5 gram more in the head which makes it more stable.

shell
12-10-2008, 01:50 PM
How do people afford gut? That's what I want to know. At $20-30 per stringing, that would hit me harder than a 2008 401K.

With this open pattern, I won't be using it much :) But I love to start out a racquet with gut - it is the best feel from the racquet. Almost like a neutral, like the feedback is all racquet and not string. Am I making any sense?

When that breaks I switch over to my fav multi depending on the characteristics the racquet has "told" me. I treat myself to gut every now and then afterwards. It last longer, and I string my own racquets, so it is actually economical for me - except probably not on a 16x18 pattern. I'm going to chew through strings :eek:

And Damp, did you see EikelBieter said it needed some weight in the head? Ha Ha, I'm not crazy afterall!! Or either both Eikel and I are crazy.

shell
12-10-2008, 02:02 PM
Hehe, the last years i've only played with Rip Control. But its too light for the 300 16*18. A poly string gives me 5 gram more in the head which makes it more stable.

That still sounds harsh to me :) But the Rip Control is a "dead" string, probably somewhat poly-like, just softer. I personally don't like either, but it sounds like you have found what you like in your Dunlop.

Staiger
12-10-2008, 02:43 PM
How do people afford gut? That's what I want to know. At $20-30 per stringing, that would hit me harder than a 2008 401K.

That x-1 biphase you use is not cheap either (but prob more durability); I think they are pretty close to the feel you get with the gut.

ericwong
12-10-2008, 04:40 PM
Poly? In a Dunlop? Blasphemy!


I use TopSpin Cyber Power @ 55 LBS. So much power and feel. Guess the string is one of the softest poly I've tried.

The Dampener
12-10-2008, 06:17 PM
Just to verify, I do go through strings faster on the 16x18.

Also, the concept of adding weight by using heavier strings seems like a terrible compromise. Use the strings that work well for you. If you still need to add weight, they make this stuff called lead tape. ;)

shell
12-10-2008, 06:58 PM
Just to verify, I do go through strings faster on the 16x18.

Also, the concept of adding weight by using heavier strings seems like a terrible compromise. Use the strings that work well for you. If you still need to add weight, they make this stuff called lead tape. ;)

Hey Damp, check out the vids in the Tips section. Our friend Eikel hits with poly for all the right reasons - decreased power from the racquet and increased durability on our spin friendly racquet.

I seldom advocate poly use, but I think he has made the right choice. The weight is just a side effect is my guess. And I can certainly see why rip control was an option. Same thing without the durability.

Nice strokes Eikel! And the footwork is superb. Keep it up!

The Dampener
12-10-2008, 07:25 PM
Hey Damp, check out the vids in the Tips section.

Tips section?

shell
12-10-2008, 07:31 PM
Tips section?

Tennis Tip/Instruction under misc. Then look for "please rate me". You will see his vid. Nice strokes. 5.0 or slightly above I would say.

EikelBeiter
12-10-2008, 11:45 PM
That still sounds harsh to me :) But the Rip Control is a "dead" string, probably somewhat poly-like, just softer. I personally don't like either, but it sounds like you have found what you like in your Dunlop.

I definately like the dunlop! But before i go out and buy a few more i'm waiting for that 4d 300 tour to come out next year. Plus i need to try it on clay see how it feels there, and that won't be until about 4 months :(

EikelBeiter
12-10-2008, 11:49 PM
Just to verify, I do go through strings faster on the 16x18.

Also, the concept of adding weight by using heavier strings seems like a terrible compromise. Use the strings that work well for you. If you still need to add weight, they make this stuff called lead tape. ;)

I'm too picky for lead tape, i can never decide how much lead and where to put it.

The Dampener
12-11-2008, 08:10 AM
Yeah, you need to be a tinkerer at heart, otherwise the tape will drive you nuts.

EikelBeiter
12-12-2008, 04:56 AM
Yeah, you need to be a tinkerer at heart, otherwise the tape will drive you nuts.

First time i tried lead tape i kinda liked it, but before i know it i put 32 grams all at 3 and 9 and i had troubles tapping balls up from the ground with it :) Then i went back to stock and i liked the maneuverability of it. But i suppose i could try 6 grams on the 300 16*18 and go back to rip control.

PimpMyGame
12-12-2008, 07:39 AM
Well I've had 3 outings now with my 16x19's (only playing once a week at the moment due to time pressures). I was due to experiment with lead but so far haven't done so.

Results are very good so far, if anything I may be picking up a lack of depth on my groundstrokes, but everything else is so great with this racket I'm holding off leading it up. After trying some heavier rackets (in the region of 350-360g) I thought there wouldn't be enough stability but I'm loving the lighter racket and don't find stability to be a problem at all.

I still need to give the rackets a full 6-8 more weeks because I suffer terribly from new racket honeymoon syndrome but so far on balance the move to AG300's has been great.

Serves - good at flat bombs and t/s, now serving with a lot of confidence and my double fault count has almost evaporated.

Volleys - stable in general, b/h volleys I can struggle with but again hitting more cleanly, maybe extra 3 sq in is helping here.

Overheads - love the extra power this frame provides compared with my other rackets. Means I can back off the power a little and concentrate more on the placement with improved results.

Forehands - falling short at the moment, but I'm not giving up on being able to adapt without tinkering with the frame. Still looking for an improvement.

Backhands (o/h) - able to hit topspin, slice and flat b/h with excellent consistency.

Returns - the most improved part of my game. Don't know whether it's the lighter frame, extra headsize or a combination but I'm able to give returns a good whack and hit a lot of winners and get a lot of forced errors.

Just my thoughts at the moment. This racket has me thinking more and more about my game and I'm desperate to get out on court more! My last two weeks of tennis were some of my best ever!

shell
12-12-2008, 09:18 AM
Well I've had 3 outings now with my 16x19's (only playing once a week at the moment due to time pressures). I was due to experiment with lead but so far haven't done so.

Results are very good so far, if anything I may be picking up a lack of depth on my groundstrokes, but everything else is so great with this racket I'm holding off leading it up. After trying some heavier rackets (in the region of 350-360g) I thought there wouldn't be enough stability but I'm loving the lighter racket and don't find stability to be a problem at all.

I still need to give the rackets a full 6-8 more weeks because I suffer terribly from new racket honeymoon syndrome but so far on balance the move to AG300's has been great.

Serves - good at flat bombs and t/s, now serving with a lot of confidence and my double fault count has almost evaporated.

Volleys - stable in general, b/h volleys I can struggle with but again hitting more cleanly, maybe extra 3 sq in is helping here.

Overheads - love the extra power this frame provides compared with my other rackets. Means I can back off the power a little and concentrate more on the placement with improved results.

Forehands - falling short at the moment, but I'm not giving up on being able to adapt without tinkering with the frame. Still looking for an improvement.

Backhands (o/h) - able to hit topspin, slice and flat b/h with excellent consistency.

Returns - the most improved part of my game. Don't know whether it's the lighter frame, extra headsize or a combination but I'm able to give returns a good whack and hit a lot of winners and get a lot of forced errors.

Just my thoughts at the moment. This racket has me thinking more and more about my game and I'm desperate to get out on court more! My last two weeks of tennis were some of my best ever!

Pimp, good to hear! :) Yes, that honeymoon period is a tough one and you have to be aware of it. It is so easy to LOVE everything :twisted:

Keep us posted. Me, I'm still tinkering with the 16x18. Just added 2-3 grams at 12 o'clock for a slight adjustment in HLness (I hope). Will play this weekend.

But I could easily just play with the 16x19s too. They are a nice hitting racquet for all the things you mentioned.

EikelBeiter
12-12-2008, 09:24 AM
Pimp, good to hear! :) Yes, that honeymoon period is a tough one and you have to be aware of it. It is so easy to LOVE everything :twisted:

Keep us posted. Me, I'm still tinkering with the 16x18. Just added 2-3 grams at 12 o'clock for a slight adjustment in HLness (I hope). Will play this weekend.

But I could easily just play with the 16x19s too. They are a nice hitting racquet for all the things you mentioned.

Why not add some lead on 3 & 9 instead of 12 if using lead? Should increase sweetspot size and makes it stabler

shell
12-12-2008, 11:32 AM
Why not add some lead on 3 & 9 instead of 12 if using lead? Should increase sweetspot size and makes it stabler

I have a little bit there too, probably 3 grams split between 3 and 9. Really want to start very slow because the total weight could get to be an issue for me. And I have only hit with them for about 3 hours, so you never know, I may just end up playing stock once I get used to the balance.

Nice crisp/soft feel to them - really most Dunlops I think.

Staiger
12-12-2008, 02:05 PM
I have a little bit there too, probably 3 grams split between 3 and 9. Really want to start very slow because the total weight could get to be an issue for me. And I have only hit with them for about 3 hours, so you never know, I may just end up playing stock once I get used to the balance.

Nice crisp/soft feel to them - really most Dunlops I think.

I played with the 16x18 and I have no problem with the stock form , although it does seem abit head-light;I dont think you need to 'lead'' it up too much .

EikelBeiter
12-13-2008, 06:01 AM
I have my 16*18 with no replacement grip, just 2 overgrips and then strung with pro hurricane tour. Its stable enough for me now.

Keifers
12-13-2008, 06:23 AM
I have a little bit there too, probably 3 grams split between 3 and 9. Really want to start very slow because the total weight could get to be an issue for me. And I have only hit with them for about 3 hours, so you never know, I may just end up playing stock once I get used to the balance.

Nice crisp/soft feel to them - really most Dunlops I think.
Hi Shell,
I agree about not adding too much weight at once. Reading your review of the 16X18, I thought the difference in balance (and SW) compared with your 16X19s likely accounted for your not loving the 16X18 immediately. I've found in the past that a change in balance really affects my strokes (bad idea when I'm trying to win a match!) -- even when I'm switching to another of the same stick.

I agree about the blend of softness and crisp response in these Dunlops. The designers did a really good job with aerogel, m-fil, etc.

shell
12-13-2008, 06:56 AM
I have my 16*18 with no replacement grip, just 2 overgrips and then strung with pro hurricane tour. Its stable enough for me now.

Eikel, funny you should mention the grip changes you have made. I was actually thinking about the same thing, as I find the stock AG grip to be rather mushy feeling. Then you add an overgrip and it seems to increase the mushy feeling and decrease the "feel" of the racquet. The only thing holding me back is the fact that I am coming off a bit of an elbow issue, and I wonder if a firmer grip set up may increase the vibration feedback.

I'll be curious to hear your review of the 4D 300 tour when it comes out. I wonder about the differences between the current 16x18 and the new tour.

Happy hitting this weekend!

shell
12-13-2008, 07:03 AM
Hi Shell,
I agree about not adding too much weight at once. Reading your review of the 16X18, I thought the difference in balance (and SW) compared with your 16X19s likely accounted for your not loving the 16X18 immediately. I've found in the past that a change in balance really affects my strokes (bad idea when I'm trying to win a match!) -- even when I'm switching to another of the same stick.

I agree about the blend of softness and crisp response in these Dunlops. The designers did a really good job with aerogel, m-fil, etc.

Yep, I think it is all in the balance for me right now. Today I have some indoor time booked, and will play some dubs. I'm going to try to stick with the 16x18 and work out some of these issues. I'd rather some drill time, but not able to hook up this weekend.

I HATE playing matches, even casual fun ones, when you are trying to get used to a new racquet. You always want to go back to your comfort zone when you miss a few shots! Because, after all, it is always the racquets fault :twisted:

The Dampener
12-13-2008, 07:18 AM
I'll be curious to hear your review of the 4D 300 tour when it comes out. I wonder about the differences between the current 16x18 and the new tour.

The weight and balance are the same. But the head size goes to 97 si, and the pattern goes to 18x20.

shell
12-13-2008, 07:38 AM
The weight and balance are the same. But the head size goes to 97 si, and the pattern goes to 18x20.

Hmmm, neither to my liking. That makes me feel better about springing on the current 16x18. I think I am done buying racquets. If I feel the need to try something new, I will just go to my closet and pull out one of the many I have purchased during this year of trial and error.

And I am quite happy with several of the models I have now. The 300s being right up there at the top of the list.

Damp, how did you do in your combo matches last weekend? Did you make your Dunlops proud of you? :)

robertg06
12-13-2008, 07:39 AM
Wow, AG 300s are getting really cheap here in the UK, only around 50....TEMPTED :)

Teamtomo
12-13-2008, 08:43 AM
Wow, AG 300s are getting really cheap here in the UK, only around 50....TEMPTED :)

32 in sports world..... but get them quick.....

robertg06
12-13-2008, 09:00 AM
I really can't find them for 32, whereabouts, do you have a link? :)

Teamtomo
12-13-2008, 09:05 AM
Its not online---- only in stores.

robertg06
12-13-2008, 09:06 AM
Oh ok, well I can probably convince my dad to go with me tomorrow because he owes me some new footy astros :)

EikelBeiter
12-13-2008, 02:16 PM
Eikel, funny you should mention the grip changes you have made. I was actually thinking about the same thing, as I find the stock AG grip to be rather mushy feeling. Then you add an overgrip and it seems to increase the mushy feeling and decrease the "feel" of the racquet. The only thing holding me back is the fact that I am coming off a bit of an elbow issue, and I wonder if a firmer grip set up may increase the vibration feedback.

I'll be curious to hear your review of the 4D 300 tour when it comes out. I wonder about the differences between the current 16x18 and the new tour.

Happy hitting this weekend!

For the last few years i've only played with 2 overgrips, I started doing it on my yonex rdx 500 rackets. I love the grips on those rackets. Yonex's butcaps are a bit smaller than other rackets. So on this dunlop i have one overgrip only on the wood part of the grip so not on the buttcap, then the other overgrip i wrap around it normally, which for me makes it feel like a yonex grip. Probably not recommended if you have elbow issues, since it will vibrate more i suppose :? But it sure is a nice grip :)

Dr. Degauss
12-16-2008, 10:28 AM
Count me in, please.

It was @ ATP Cincinnati 2008. I was looking for a new stick and was lurking around Princes and Wilsons in order to choose one. Decided to get new Prince O3 Tour. Then, after I saw Haas got beaten by Nadal but shown awesome tennis, I wondered what stick Haas was using.
I got into stadium ******* booth, saw AG300 and took it from the stand. I got struck by lightning right there. It was a love from the first touch/look/feel... name it. :oops: It felt like a sword in my hand, some unique feel, that I did not experienced with other sticks. :twisted:

Got new AG 300 with control-oriented setup - Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour 17G @ 62 lbs.

What can I tell you now - I feel like I am playing different kind of tennis. Serve is improving with each serve - placing the ball where I want and working on the speed. Slice became a true killer. Groundstrokes like bullets.

This is all because of my new AG300. Eah!!! :)

robertg06
12-16-2008, 10:31 AM
Hopefully I'll be getting my hands on one of these beauties tomorrow

Staiger
12-16-2008, 11:25 AM
Count me in, please.

It was @ ATP Cincinnati 2008. I was looking for a new stick and was lurking around Princes and Wilsons in order to choose one. Decided to get new Prince O3 Tour. Then, after I saw Haas got beaten by Nadal but shown awesome tennis, I wondered what stick Haas was using.
I got into stadium ******* booth, saw AG300 and took it from the stand. I got struck by lightning right there. It was a love from the first touch/look/feel... name it. :oops: It felt like a sword in my hand, some unique feel, that I did not experienced with other sticks. :twisted:

Got new AG 300 with control-oriented setup - Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour 17G @ 62 lbs.

What can I tell you now - I feel like I am playing different kind of tennis. Serve is improving with each serve - placing the ball where I want and working on the speed. Slice became a true killer. Groundstrokes like bullets.

This is all because of my new AG300. Eah!!! :)


You are in, buddy ! It is nice to hear you found a racket that you been searching for so long ... but according to the posters on here Haas doesnt uses an AG300, it is a paintjob ..he is using the mold of a T-fight
.. at least he introduced you to the AG300. why did you choose the pro hurricane strings and why @62lbs ..

Dr. Degauss
12-16-2008, 12:37 PM
You are in, buddy ! It is nice to hear you found a racket that you been searching for so long ... but according to the posters on here Haas doesnt uses an AG300, it is a paintjob ..he is using the mold of a T-fight
.. at least he introduced you to the AG300. why did you choose the pro hurricane strings and why @62lbs ..


Hey, Staiger!
I am not going to argue for Haas - probably you are right. But Haas was an inspirer :):)
AS300 is a blast, man!

Strings - I kinda tired of all the info that I read about strings here and there (it was too much information), so I got into a store and asked them for the most control-oriented strings. Plus read the info that for control you need as much tension as possible. I think my next setup is going to be hybrid with same for mains and something else for crosses @58 lbs.

I am a bit rookie in tennis - it was my second year (season). I apologize if I sound stupid. :)

Dr. Degauss
12-16-2008, 12:39 PM
Staiger, it will be my privilege to be a member of this society! :):)

shell
12-16-2008, 01:52 PM
Hopefully I'll be getting my hands on one of these beauties tomorrow

Keep us posted! :)

Staiger
12-16-2008, 02:39 PM
Staiger, it will be my privilege to be a member of this society! :):)
You are member No.19 in the club.. the only reason I asked about your PRO HURRICANE strings is because you are the first person I know with those strings on ag300 and i am keen to read the feedback. I had mine string with Lux Big Banger Alu @58lbs and @60lbs and I think it has a good balance betweencontrol and power ..large potential in spin generation and good(7/10) feel to it.

Staiger
12-16-2008, 02:45 PM
Hopefully I'll be getting my hands on one of these beauties tomorrow

so I see you are switching from the dark side (ag200) :twisted:

EikelBeiter
12-17-2008, 12:00 AM
You are member No.19 in the club.. the only reason I asked about your PRO HURRICANE strings is because you are the first person I know with those strings on ag300 and i am keen to read the feedback. I had mine string with Lux Big Banger Alu @58lbs and @60lbs and I think it has a good balance betweencontrol and power ..large potential in spin generation and good(7/10) feel to it.


I am currently testing the 300 16*18. So far i like it a lot. I tried kirschbaum pro line 2 on it, which played nicely. Now i have it strung with babolat pro hurricane tour, which i find less comfortable. Anyone knows a good poly for this racket?

I used pro hurricane first :D

robertg06
12-17-2008, 05:22 AM
Good news, got my hands on one of these today for only 32. I plan to knock with it later and see how it compares to my AG 200. Maybe I'll use it for my upcoming tourny.

robertg06
12-17-2008, 07:14 AM
Just gave it a knock, it was phenomenal. My groundstrokes improved a lot especially my backhand. Volleys were good, the racket was nice and maneuverable. Serves were ok, I didn't too many and will definitely do a lot more on Saturday.

Overall, I'm impressed, think I'll use this racket a lot now.

Teamtomo
12-17-2008, 07:39 AM
Change your sig then rob!

PimpMyGame
12-17-2008, 07:57 AM
Just gave it a knock, it was phenomenal. My groundstrokes improved a lot especially my backhand. Volleys were good, the racket was nice and maneuverable. Serves were ok, I didn't too many and will definitely do a lot more on Saturday.

Overall, I'm impressed, think I'll use this racket a lot now.

Rob, which store did you buy it? How many were left?

Cheers


M

robertg06
12-17-2008, 08:50 AM
Uh, SportsWorld in Greenford. It took quite a lot of hunting as it was in the back and it was the only one I found. But I did find an AG 500 for 32 and an AG 200 PLUS for 40. There may have been more but I only wanted one.

Teamtomo
12-17-2008, 09:14 AM
Whats the different between the AG200 and the AG200 plus?

robertg06
12-17-2008, 09:19 AM
Uh from what I saw the PLUS had 16*19, I think it may have been slightly lighter and wider bridge.

The Dampener
12-17-2008, 10:20 AM
The AG200 PLUS is a big-box retail model with an oversized head and lighter weight. It is not the AG200 16x19.

But we're not here to appreciate the 200,...are we?

robertg06
12-17-2008, 11:27 AM
Of course not. I was really impressed with the AG 300, I think on a cold day it's better because it's much more maneuverable and it developed a lot more power for me :)

Dr. Degauss
12-17-2008, 11:46 AM
Well, I played yesterday and I can say that my serve impoved a lot. Adding more power was successful. AG300 strikes again!!! :):)
Hovewer, I think that my setup does not allow to generarate more power out of strings (only from arm) - next time I am going to use same strings (control/spin/"crisp" pop potential is great) but with less tension.
My partner used same strings for hybrid mains with high tension (new fresh setup) - he felt no power at all, but managed to win a half a set with awesomly controlled drop shots. :(

Dr. Degauss
12-17-2008, 11:50 AM
Just gave it a knock, it was phenomenal. My groundstrokes improved a lot especially my backhand. Volleys were good, the racket was nice and maneuverable. Serves were ok, I didn't too many and will definitely do a lot more on Saturday.

Overall, I'm impressed, think I'll use this racket a lot now.

If that is OK - I second that.
From no 1HBH to 40% ripped-over-the-net BH - perfect!

robertg06
12-17-2008, 11:52 AM
Second my experience all you want :)

Can I join the club as well?

shell
12-17-2008, 11:55 AM
Second my experience all you want :)

Can I join the club as well?

Check out the first post - Staiger beat you to it. He is FAST!

Dr. Degauss
12-17-2008, 11:55 AM
Second my experience all you want :)

Thanks, bud! It was/is/will be awesome expirience! :twisted:

robertg06
12-17-2008, 12:01 PM
Check out the first post - Staiger beat you to it. He is FAST!

What d'you mean?

shell
12-17-2008, 01:56 PM
What d'you mean?

You asked to be in the club. Staiger has already updated the list, you are #21. See the first post of this thread. :)

PimpMyGame
12-17-2008, 11:43 PM
Uh, SportsWorld in Greenford. It took quite a lot of hunting as it was in the back and it was the only one I found. But I did find an AG 500 for 32 and an AG 200 PLUS for 40. There may have been more but I only wanted one.

Yeah, the one in Norwich is all out of AG300's, I checked again yesterday. They also had AG500's and AG200Plus. The AG500 seems a tad light and a bit too powerful for my liking, the AG200Plus has what appears to be a slightly head heavy balance and wide body, neither of which I particularly like. I was lucky enough to get my 2 AG300's for 32 each but with a deal like that I can't help having a look every week or so to try to find a couple more, even though I don't need them!

PimpMyGame
12-17-2008, 11:49 PM
Played again yesterday. That's 8 hours of dubs and didn't play as well as the last couple of weeks, but I put that down to a bad week at work (can't completely relax on court if work is crap).

However, at best still hitting great serves, great returns and although consistency wasn't there I find the racket forgiving enough to "get me through" when I'm not playing great.

Playing a couple of hours of singles on Sunday (the first singles outing with my AG300) which I think will be very interesting. Last day at work today until the first Monday in the new year so hopefully I'll be a bit less stressed.

My Sunday singles is with a friend who hasn't played much since the summer but hits a nice ball and is really looking forward to some court time. Could be an interesting review next week...

robertg06
12-18-2008, 05:28 AM
You asked to be in the club. Staiger has already updated the list, you are #21. See the first post of this thread. :)

Oh cool :) I'm going out for another hit with the racket in a bit. I'm not playing good opposition just my brother but hopefully I'll get a bit more of a feel with the racket. I feel inclined to use it at my upcoming tournament :)

shell
12-20-2008, 07:31 AM
Hey guys - (Damp maybe) - there are a couple 16x18s on the For Sale forum if anyone is interested. I don't know anything about this seller, but I thought if anyone was interested there they are. Grip 4/12 (too big for me).

I'm off to play later this morning - 35F - I don't expect great tennis :) Still working to get comfortable with the 16x18. It's better.

The Dampener
12-20-2008, 02:53 PM
Thanks, Shell. Too big for me, too. I use 4 1/4 and build them up to a more true 4 3/8. The Aerogel grips, in my opinion, run about a half size large.

Had a great day with my 16x18s. Hope you did, too. Started in the low 40s but finished up in the low 60s.

EikelBeiter
12-21-2008, 01:55 AM
Thanks, Shell. Too big for me, too. I use 4 1/4 and build them up to a more true 4 3/8. The Aerogel grips, in my opinion, run about a half size large.

Had a great day with my 16x18s. Hope you did, too. Started in the low 40s but finished up in the low 60s.

You should try a grip 3 and then take off the replacement grip and put on just 2 overgrips. You can feel the bevels very well this way. It's how i played for the last 4 years.

robertg06
12-21-2008, 02:05 AM
What string jobs do you guys use with your AG 300s?

EikelBeiter
12-21-2008, 02:08 AM
What string jobs do you guys use with your AG 300s?

At the moment I'm using pro hurricane tour 1.25 at 52/50

robertg06
12-21-2008, 02:17 AM
Cool, I think I'm gonna string mine at quite a high tension to try and tone down the pop :)

Staiger
12-21-2008, 07:10 AM
What string jobs do you guys use with your AG 300s?


Just restrang 2 of mine with Topspin Cyber Blue (17))@ 60lbs (I think someone recommanded it on here) , they are as cheap as s**t and if they are not up to par I will just cut them off and restring it with the Big Banger . (Mind you, the Cyber blue do look abit weird on a 300)

My other AG300 is strang with Ashaway Crossfire 17 @60lbs.. but I may get a set of X-one Biphase 17 ($$$$) next week and test it for myself ( As a recommandation from Damp:) )

shell
12-21-2008, 08:35 AM
Well, me and the AG 300 16x18 are just not getting along. I finally realised yesterday that if I was having to work so hard to like a racquet, that it is just not the one for me. The balance issue is still there, as well as possibly the thinner frame. I just can't seem to make it feel solid, and my balls are dropping shorter and with less authority. It is also seeming to bother my elbow a bit.

So, back to the 16x19 for now. Actually, I am about to start a trial between the 3 racquets that I have that seem to fit my game the best. I have pretty much narrowed down what I like, and it seems to be something in the light semi-players range, or flexi tweener so to speak. Nothing too stiff or harsh feeling, but also not too heavy.

My narrowed down list are three that I have bought over the last year:

AG 300 16x19 - I have not hit with this in a while, so I am going to bring it back out for a good round or two. It was a good balance of what I like, and I ended up with a little lead on it but not much.

Babolat Pure Storm - I avoided Babs for all the usual reasons, but actually I am pulling this one out consistently as I would get frustrated with the 16x18. I call it Controlled Power. It has some flex for comfort, but plays solid for a lighter racquet. It feels better than the specs would indicate. Nice spin potential too. I have pretty full strokes, so I enjoy the lack of pure power potential, but it also provides a bit of pop to help me out.

Fischer Mag. Pro #1 UL (the light one) - now this is an interesting frame. Per the numbers, you would think it was a recipe for disaster - both light and very flexible. But it is tapered, with a thin throat and thicker head. Wonderful feel, and if you bring some of your own power, it just works. I seem to be a bit odd in my preferences and don't play to spec numbers, so this may be why I like it so much. I need to string up fresh as I have not hit with this racquet in over 6 months.

I think I will settle on one of the three and be done. I am tired of the racquet merry go round, and I think I could be happy with any of these, and just go play.

Sorry for the long post.

Damp - my 16x18s are going to be sold off. Let me know if you are interested - first dibs to our Appreciation Society folks :) They would suit you (4 1/4, and as you know, very low milage :) ) I'm not looking to recoup my cost - call it an expensive impulse failed experiment. In other words, I can be very stupid :twisted:

EikelBeiter
12-21-2008, 12:10 PM
Well, me and the AG 300 16x18 are just not getting along. I finally realised yesterday that if I was having to work so hard to like a racquet, that it is just not the one for me. The balance issue is still there, as well as possibly the thinner frame. I just can't seem to make it feel solid, and my balls are dropping shorter and with less authority. It is also seeming to bother my elbow a bit.

That's sad to hear :( Maybe you should give the Head radicals a try? Slightly thicker frame, bit more head heavy. They were my frame of choice this summer. I'm starting to like the ag300 16*18 more and more though! :)

The Dampener
12-21-2008, 02:56 PM
You should try a grip 3 and then take off the replacement grip and put on just 2 overgrips. You can feel the bevels very well this way. It's how i played for the last 4 years.

Thought about that. But I prefer the cushy feel of a Gamma Supreme over the factory grip.

The Dampener
12-21-2008, 02:57 PM
What string jobs do you guys use with your AG 300s?

Yonex Pro Tour 850 @ 56 lbs.

The Dampener
12-21-2008, 03:04 PM
Damp - my 16x18s are going to be sold off. Let me know if you are interested - first dibs to our Appreciation Society folks :) They would suit you (4 1/4, and as you know, very low milage :) ) I'm not looking to recoup my cost - call it an expensive impulse failed experiment. In other words, I can be very stupid :twisted:

Shell, sorry to hear the 16x18s aren't working out. But we all have to figure out what works for us. And if it doesn't feel right,...it's not right. And no need to feel stupid at all. I can't tell you how many sticks I've been through trying to find the right one. And even though I'm happy with the 16x18, I still try new ones all the time. I'm even curious now about that old m-fil 200 Plus. I chalk it up to experimentation and learning. My friends think I'm a kook, because I can tell them more about their racquets than they know themselves.

Email me here: j o h n r u n k @ p a c b e l l . n e t
We can talk.

PS - Try not to mention Babolat and Dunlop in the same sentence again. Please.

The Dampener
12-21-2008, 03:09 PM
That's sad to hear :( Maybe you should give the Head radicals a try? Slightly thicker frame, bit more head heavy. They were my frame of choice this summer. I'm starting to like the ag300 16*18 more and more though! :)

EB,

Anything you can share regarding the MG Radical and/or Prestige models in comparison to our 16x18s?

Thanks.
Damp

(See, Shell? I'm still curious.)

shell
12-21-2008, 04:29 PM
EB,

Anything you can share regarding the MG Radical and/or Prestige models in comparison to our 16x18s?

Thanks.
Damp

(See, Shell? I'm still curious.)

STOP, Damp, stop while you still can! The racquet rotating will drive you insane, as you can obviously see is what has happened to me this year (remember, I am considering Babs). But, I am recovering....slowly.

I'll email you shortly.

shell
12-21-2008, 04:37 PM
That's sad to hear :( Maybe you should give the Head radicals a try? Slightly thicker frame, bit more head heavy. They were my frame of choice this summer. I'm starting to like the ag300 16*18 more and more though! :)

You know Eikel, I'm not sure why I have not tried those before. They do seem to make sense. Actually, I hit with a hitting partners demo of the radical OS (maybe a 103 or 107 in. head) and it was a nice hit. I would prefer the mid + I am sure, but I remember liking it a lot.

I played Head for most of my tennis life prior to quitting (Head Pro and Head Graphite Edge), but the newer ones I always found to feel kind of hollow or "cheap" feeling. But that was before I made my rounds with all the frames, and really all the modern frames kind of have that feel. I guess I was comparing to my old heavy Heads, but technology changed during the years I was out of the game.

Maybe I'll give it a whirl. Don't tell Damp.

ericwong
12-21-2008, 05:39 PM
I used my 16 x 18 for the first time in my tournament yesterday. It was exuberating. I strung at 55 LBS , using Topspin Cyber Blue aka Cyber power 17 gut. I nearly ripped off the hand of my opponent at the net :P . I was apologetic but deep down, the power it delivered was oh so sweet.

I had placed an order for another piece. Hope I will get it before New Year.

cheers

shell
12-22-2008, 04:55 AM
I used my 16 x 18 for the first time in my tournament yesterday. It was exuberating. I strung at 55 LBS , using Topspin Cyber Blue aka Cyber power 17 gut. I nearly ripped off the hand of my opponent at the net :P . I was apologetic but deep down, the power it delivered was oh so sweet.

I had placed an order for another piece. Hope I will get it before New Year.

cheers

I assume you won then? Congrats!

PimpMyGame
12-22-2008, 09:06 AM
Well, I had my first 2 hours of singles yesterday. It's been so long since I've played singles that I'd forgotten how different it was to doubles!

Anyway, my improved service remained improved and ultimately this may have been the difference. Everything else was a bit below par, but as I've said in an earlier post, my AG300 was forgiving enough to get me out of trouble when I wasn't hitting well.

In any case, I eventually won against a better quality player who hasn't played enough recently to make me suffer and as a result was a little too inconsistent. Result was 7-6, 3-6, 6-4. I was happy that I could grind it out when I needed to, firstly at 0-4 in the first and also early in the third. I was also happy that I could turn up the heat when I had to (2nd half of the 3rd). I put these changes of pace down to my AG300, or at least the confidence it gives me at the moment.

It's fair to say my opponent was rusty when I'd had a few hours recently. It's also fair to say that I'd been in similar situations with other rackets that didn't suit me, or were too demanding, and lost the match.

I did feel a little pushed around when I went down 0-4 in the first and as a result I've got the second AG300 out of its wrapper and chucked 10g of lead on the throat. Dubs tonight so should be a nice little trot through to see if that tweak improves things for me.

If I don't post again before the 25th merry Christmas to all fellow AG300 members!

The Dampener
12-22-2008, 10:14 AM
Eric, Pimp, glad to read you had positive experiences. Pimp, the lead will definitely help, especially if you're using the 16x19. I always felt the 16x19s one weakness (at least for me) was a lack of stability at the net.

Staiger
12-22-2008, 10:37 AM
I used my 16 x 18 for the first time in my tournament yesterday. It was exuberating. I strung at 55 LBS , using Topspin Cyber Blue aka Cyber power 17 gut. I nearly ripped off the hand of my opponent at the net :P . I was apologetic but deep down, the power it delivered was oh so sweet.

I had placed an order for another piece. Hope I will get it before New Year.

cheers


oh , it was you who recommand those cyber blue strings , I have not try them out yet .. @55lbs you could do some real damage to your opponent

Staiger
12-22-2008, 10:39 AM
pimpmy game,

thats how I setted up my racquet as well , 10g down the throat and not altering the balance too much

DavidGarcia
12-23-2008, 03:02 PM
Hi guys,

Hope someone can help me.

I sold my nBlade 98, I did not like the balance of the nBlades (but took me 6 months for me to realize), and now I am looking to buy 2 Aerogel 300's from this dude in my town.

I played with one of them and felt alright. Then this dude told me that both are L4 but my old nBlades were L3.

How do the Dunlop grip sizes compare to the wilson ones?

I played with the L4 for 5 mins so almost no time to really notice any differents but in the long term I will.

Any suggestion?

The Dampener
12-23-2008, 06:24 PM
To me, the Aerogel stock grips feel about a half size larger than most other manufacturers. But that's just my impression.

ac3111
12-24-2008, 03:38 AM
To me the AG300 grip does not feel thicker compared to others but it is consioderably shorter. My grip size is 2 (4 1/4)...

Staiger
12-24-2008, 08:03 AM
Hi guys,

Hope someone can help me.

I sold my nBlade 98, I did not like the balance of the nBlades (but took me 6 months for me to realeze), and now I am looking to buy 2 Aerogel 300's from this dude in my town.

I played with one of them and felt alredy. Then this dude told me thet both are L4 but my old nBlades were L3.

How do the Dunlop grip sizes compare to the wilson ones?

I played with the L4 for 5 mins so almost no time to really notice any differents but in the long term I will.

Any suggestion?

The best person to ask would be Pimpmygame ,he switched from a Kblade to an ag300 as well and he gave me a good comparision between the two stick. But you can always take the orginal grip out and use 2 overgrips , one wrap in the opposite direction to the other. (it does have a much better feel than the stock grip )

Holly
12-24-2008, 08:13 AM
Can I join? I use the Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe which is almost the exact same stick as the 300 (except for the price :). ). Compare the specs below and and let me know your thoughts:

Dunlop Aerogel 300 (3Hundred) Racquets
Price: 159.99
Midplus Specs
Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 10.9oz / 309g
Balance: 4pts Head Light
Swingweight: 316
Stiffness: 61
Beam Width: 21.5 mm Straight Beam
Composition: Graphite Multifilament / Aerogel
Power Level: Low-Medium
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Hydramax Tour
String Pattern:
16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,8H
One Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 55-65 pounds


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Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe
Price: 69.99
Price Break: Buy 2 or more and the price drops to $64.99 each. Buy 3 or more and the price drops to $59.99 each.

Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 11.3oz / 320g
Balance: 3pts Head Light
Swingweight: 327
Stiffness: 68
Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
Composition: Hot Melt Graphite
Power Level: Low-Medium
Swing Speed: Moderate-Fast
Grip Type: Leather
String Pattern:
16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,8H
One Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 55-65 pounds

shell
12-24-2008, 01:03 PM
Can I join? I use the Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe which is almost the exact same stick as the 300 (except for the price :). ). Compare the specs below and and let me know your thoughts:

Dunlop Aerogel 300 (3Hundred) Racquets
Price: 159.99
Midplus Specs
Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 10.9oz / 309g
Balance: 4pts Head Light
Swingweight: 316
Stiffness: 61
Beam Width: 21.5 mm Straight Beam
Composition: Graphite Multifilament / Aerogel
Power Level: Low-Medium
Swing Speed: Fast
Grip Type: Hydramax Tour
String Pattern:
16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,8H
One Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 55-65 pounds


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Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe
Price: 69.99
Price Break: Buy 2 or more and the price drops to $64.99 each. Buy 3 or more and the price drops to $59.99 each.

Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 11.3oz / 320g
Balance: 3pts Head Light
Swingweight: 327
Stiffness: 68
Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
Composition: Hot Melt Graphite
Power Level: Low-Medium
Swing Speed: Moderate-Fast
Grip Type: Leather
String Pattern:
16 Mains / 19 Crosses
Mains skip: 8T,8H
One Piece
No shared holes
String Tension: 55-65 pounds

Holly, we are a pretty low key bunch so feel free to share your experiences with the Maxply. I imagine it plays a bit stiffer than the 300, but I have not ever hit with one. Always wanted to, because I think they look so neat and retro.

Staiger
12-24-2008, 02:53 PM
Holly ,

Welcome to the club , this is for anyone/everyone who recognise the ag300 is among the best stick in the market today .

Looking at the spec they are not too disimilar ...although the maxply will be abit stiffer and less manuarvable ,(however after the 10g of lead on the throat of my ag300) I can see how my current stick would play similar to the maxply..(the weight and balance around the same)

Staiger
12-24-2008, 02:56 PM
does anyone know what the HOTMELT technology is and its benefit ?
I didnt realise that they incoparated that in to the frame until now (after 9 months since I had the stick)

Holly
12-24-2008, 06:25 PM
Holly ,

Welcome to the club , this is for anyone/everyone who recognise the ag300 is among the best stick in the market today .

Looking at the spec they are not too disimilar ...although the maxply will be abit stiffer and less manuarvable ,(however after the 10g of lead on the throat of my ag300) I can see how my current stick would play similar to the maxply..(the weight and balance around the same)

Thanks guys.

I agree the Maxply is one of the stiffest racquets that I have ever played with and also extremely powerful. Basically its a slightly more powerful 300.

Thats why a senior like Mcenroe or a female really benefits from the Maxply.