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smirker
11-04-2008, 01:58 PM
I have an old frame I used as a junior which must be 20 years old. I think it is solid graphite in construction and weighs 365g and is 12p HL.

Hit with it tonight and was amazed at the response. I was hitting the ball deep into the corners with pace and spin, knife like slice and killer drop shots. Even some nice pace on serves. Just proves you don't need the latest technology to play well. Even the strings were 15 years old! Might become my weapon of choice with some new strings.

treblings
11-04-2008, 02:12 PM
Good for you. I have some 80īs frames that i play with, and i couldnīt agree more.
by the way, can you make out a name on the frame?

smirker
11-04-2008, 02:32 PM
Good for you. I have some 80īs frames that i play with, and i couldnīt agree more.
by the way, can you make out a name on the frame?

Yeah, I didn't name it as no one will have heard of it. It is called a Grays Jetstream Z200.... see!

treblings
11-04-2008, 03:02 PM
Yeah, I didn't name it as no one will have heard of it. It is called a Grays Jetstream Z200.... see!

Grays(or Grays of Cambridge) was founded in 1855. They produced the legendary Hazells Streamline rackets. One of the leading real tennis racket producers. If my memory doesnīt fail me, they produced Borgīs wood rackets for him when he made his first comeback.
Still very active in all racketsports.

Never heard of the Jetstream Z200 though, can you post pics?

Keifers
11-04-2008, 03:23 PM
I played squash with Grays racquets back in the day. Very nice sticks, great feel. :)

smirker
11-05-2008, 01:58 AM
Grays(or Grays of Cambridge) was founded in 1855. They produced the legendary Hazells Streamline rackets. One of the leading real tennis racket producers. If my memory doesnīt fail me, they produced Borgīs wood rackets for him when he made his first comeback.
Still very active in all racketsports.

Never heard of the Jetstream Z200 though, can you post pics?

Ok, will do. I have had a look on the WWW and can't find any mention of it. Bought in Leicester UK at least 15 years ago. cosmetics are horrible but I guess how it plays is what matters

Raiha
11-05-2008, 02:24 AM
i have an old dunlop black max that still hits great despite a small fracture at 3:00. it's all graphite and fiberglass so its really heavy and its like 85 sq in.

Sentinel
11-05-2008, 03:10 AM
I play with a Head Ventoris even though i have new racks. Plays great.

treblings
11-05-2008, 03:12 AM
Ok, will do. I have had a look on the WWW and can't find any mention of it. Bought in Leicester UK at least 15 years ago. cosmetics are horrible but I guess how it plays is what matters

Try graysrackets.com
i think tennis is just a side business for them now
before you mentioned your grays i wouldnīt even have thought, that they were still in business

smirker
11-05-2008, 04:15 AM
I play with a Head Ventoris even though i have new racks. Plays great.

Love the Avatar. Franco Columbo was the man. Shame Arnold stole his thunder. Re the Ventoris, a friend has one (silver with green writing as I remember) I might ask him to dig it out so I can hit with it.

smirker
11-05-2008, 04:17 AM
Try graysrackets.com
i think tennis is just a side business for them now
before you mentioned your grays i wouldnīt even have thought, that they were still in business

Had a look at that. Their new racquets have even worse cosmetics than mine! One of the models has a very oval profile like mine as you will see if I manage to conquer my technophobia and post pics of it. They mainly cocncentrate on Hockey and also own Gilbert who make Rugby balls.

bet
11-05-2008, 04:29 AM
Grays(or Grays of Cambridge) was founded in 1855. They produced the legendary Hazells Streamline rackets. One of the leading real tennis racket producers. If my memory doesnīt fail me, they produced Borgīs wood rackets for him when he made his first comeback.


Quite right. Having said that, Borg didn't exactly do them a favour when he claimed after that the new wood racquets didn't give him the control he needed....even though he had been practicing with them for months....

007
11-05-2008, 06:35 AM
I just acquired a 12 year old like-new Yamaha SECRET EX and am really glad I did. Awesome stability and plow-thru, great control and ball feel, great spin from 97 x 16x18, 12.4 strung, 7 points HL, SW must be about 330. It's the heaviest stick I own (next heaviest are TF335 and RDS002 Tour) and the mass is noticeable, but i can handle it as long as I ensure I finish mmy strokes fully. Can absolutely murder groundstrokes when needed, but control is the best aspect of this (old) frame.

bet
11-05-2008, 07:12 AM
I just acquired a 12 year old like-new Yamaha SECRET EX and am really glad I did. Awesome stability and plow-thru, great control and ball feel, great spin from 97 x 16x18, 12.4 strung, 7 points HL, SW must be about 330. It's the heaviest stick I own (next heaviest are TF335 and RDS002 Tour) and the mass is noticeable, but i can handle it as long as I ensure I finish mmy strokes fully. Can absolutely murder groundstrokes when needed, but control is the best aspect of this (old) frame.

If memory serves, used by Sabatini for a while by the way. Though she would have used the oversize.

jtms
11-05-2008, 09:56 AM
If you like it than good for you. I have been playing with a frame that is around 15 years old and I love it, but I will tell you that the newer racquets make a huge difference. The older sticks have great control and feel but they seriously lack in the power category. If I was just hitting around i probably would not change from my ProStaff, but the newer sticks have soooo much more effortless spin potential and power with out sacrificing any feel.

I am a 5-5.5 and played in college, and I have been blown away by the new technology. The new Wilson frames are super sweeeeeet!!!

phamster
11-05-2008, 10:00 AM
If memory serves, used by Sabatini for a while by the way. Though she would have used the oversize.


Sbatini was a prince Boron OVersized Queen, maybe Prince Graphite oversize, but i never remembered her swinging the yamaha stick.

phamster

treblings
11-05-2008, 10:36 AM
Sbatini was a prince Boron OVersized Queen, maybe Prince Graphite oversize, but i never remembered her swinging the yamaha stick.

phamster

She definitely played with Yamaha for a number of years.

goober
11-05-2008, 10:56 AM
Try graysrackets.com
i think tennis is just a side business for them now
before you mentioned your grays i wouldnīt even have thought, that they were still in business

Wow they have a full line of tennis racquets. I guess they are not big on marketing since nobody seems to be playing with them or knows too much about them. Their main focus looks like Squash.

treblings
11-05-2008, 11:00 AM
Wow they have a full line of tennis racquets. I guess they are not big on marketing since nobody seems to be playing with them or knows too much about them. Their main focus looks like Squash.
They were a main producer of real tennis wooden rackets. iīm not quite sure, whether or not they are still manufacturing them.
i agree, their focus seems to be in squash, but have you ever seen one of their rackets in a sports shop?

goober
11-05-2008, 11:09 AM
They were a main producer of real tennis wooden rackets. iīm not quite sure, whether or not they are still manufacturing them.
i agree, their focus seems to be in squash, but have you ever seen one of their rackets in a sports shop?

No I haven't, but if I am sure they are probably only locally available in the UK sports stores I would imagine.

treblings
11-05-2008, 11:46 AM
No I haven't, but if I am sure they are probably only locally available in the UK sports stores I would imagine.

iīm sure youīre right. iīve been to London last month and didnīt see them though.
did you ever notice that if you walk in a sports shop they mostly sell the big name brands. like wilson or head, adidas or nike.
i walked in the racket department of a big sports shop recently and asked about Pro Kennex rackets. i swear, they didnīt know what i was talking about.

smirker
11-05-2008, 02:18 PM
iīm sure youīre right. iīve been to London last month and didnīt see them though.
did you ever notice that if you walk in a sports shop they mostly sell the big name brands. like wilson or head, adidas or nike.
i walked in the racket department of a big sports shop recently and asked about Pro Kennex rackets. i swear, they didnīt know what i was talking about.

Never seen them since I bought mine. I live in Cambridge and often go into Gray's sports in town. Plenty of Gray's hockey sticks but no tennis racquets. From memory there were three in the Jetstream range. 100, 200 and 300. Not sure what the difference was though. It's a shame more brands are not readily available in the UK. I am lucky in that I have a racquet specialist nearby but they still only sell the main brands really.

Also I notice that 90% of people in my club use Head or Wilson, I am one of only two playing a Dunlop. Sad that tennis here has become so mainstream but I guess only the company's with big marketing budgets survive these days.

nCode747
11-05-2008, 02:21 PM
maybe its just better technique

aimr75
11-05-2008, 02:23 PM
i have an old Emrik racquet thats a ps85 clone in body shape but is 100% graphite.. i should dig it out and give it a try :)
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RepublicofChina
11-06-2008, 07:31 PM
i dunno........ ihave a pro kennex boron graphite, i don't know if its 20 years old or not since it was my dads, but the strings were never broken, and i played with it alot and its soooooo freakin strong. sadly, i play very well with that.

treblings
11-07-2008, 12:50 PM
i dunno........ ihave a pro kennex boron graphite, i don't know if its 20 years old or not since it was my dads, but the strings were never broken, and i played with it alot and its soooooo freakin strong. sadly, i play very well with that.

no reason to be sad, if you play well with the racket. and yes, to my knowledge the boron is from the 80īs

wksoh
11-07-2008, 12:56 PM
She definitely played with Yamaha for a number of years.

yes you're right, she did. Yamaha EX

treblings
11-07-2008, 01:05 PM
yes you're right, she did. Yamaha EX

the Secret Ex in different colors, from what i heard. iīm getting to a point, where i would really like to playtest one of these old Yamahas. i hear only good things about them.
and i really like frames from the 80īs: PS 6.0., Wimbledon Graphite, PK Black Ace, PK Silver Ace, Prestige Classic,...

smirker
11-07-2008, 10:22 PM
the Secret Ex in different colors, from what i heard. iīm getting to a point, where i would really like to playtest one of these old Yamahas. i hear only good things about them.
and i really like frames from the 80īs: PS 6.0., Wimbledon Graphite, PK Black Ace, PK Silver Ace, Prestige Classic,...

I also have a PK Copper Ace which I play with occasionally. Very flexy though and nothing like modern racquets.

treblings
11-07-2008, 10:30 PM
I also have a PK Copper Ace which I play with occasionally. Very flexy though and nothing like modern racquets.

i think most people who really like these kind of rackets mention the extra flexibility as a main reason. i know i feel that way.
on the other hand i use modern head mg prestige proīs as my main racket, because i think they are better designed to cope with todays game.
much easier to handle spin with modern frames, for example. imo

smirker
11-08-2008, 12:46 AM
i think most people who really like these kind of rackets mention the extra flexibility as a main reason. i know i feel that way.
on the other hand i use modern head mg prestige proīs as my main racket, because i think they are better designed to cope with todays game.
much easier to handle spin with modern frames, for example. imo

I agree. Can't seem to hit consistently with the Pk. It is very low powered and has a small head which might be the reason.

Winners or Errors
11-08-2008, 09:05 AM
i have an old dunlop black max that still hits great despite a small fracture at 3:00. it's all graphite and fiberglass so its really heavy and its like 85 sq in.

I replaced my broken Black Max with a pair of Dunlop Max Impact Mids in the late 80s, and they are still in great shape. I have a pair of newer, more powerful, lighter racquets, but am not convinced that's the way to go yet. Dusted off the old sticks and just regripped them last night. We'll see how the experiment goes.

I think I'll end up with the newer sticks, because there are some advantages and I can't find grommets for the old ones once they're gone, but for the time being it is nice to alternate.

AustraliA
11-09-2008, 10:58 PM
Believe it or not. But for anyone that is younger than 25 on these boards.. Its hard to believe that we all grew up starting and playing with wood or early graphite frames..

There were no oversized light tweener racquets. And a mid was around 80-90 inches.. Not 95-110...