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Fedace
11-07-2008, 04:19 AM
OK NIce website but NO webcam. that really sucks, this is supposedly the one of the best fan supported tennis programs in the country and yet they have no webcam. Shame on them. anyway, they do have a scoreboard but it isn't always kept up to the minute.
http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=88813&SPID=10610&DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=1613023

Alex Clayton goes down in 1st round for Stanford, that really sucked. I find it strange that there is so many Upsets in the 1st round. Several other seeds went down as well. oh well, at least it will make for a GREAT consolation bracket, anyway.:)

Joeyg
11-07-2008, 08:35 AM
Can you even read a draw, doctor? Clayton was the ONLY seed to go out in the first round.

10isDad
11-08-2008, 04:16 AM
Can you even read a draw, doctor? Clayton was the ONLY seed to go out in the first round.

Can you?

Singles: Men's side: Kronauge & Clayton. Women's side: McDowell, Gloria & Rose.

4 other players probably qualifies as "several" since it's 1/4 of the 16 total singles seeds.

Dubs: 3 of the 8 total seeds lost in the first round.

Joeyg
11-08-2008, 06:19 AM
OMG! I must have taken too much medication, Mea culpa!

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 10:24 AM
Kronauge didn't lose. He's in the final right now against his teammate. Clayton was the only mens singles seed to lose 1st round. And if Snugg loses the backdraw final, Clayton gets the wooden spoon award for the entire tournament. Go Stanford!

OleNole
11-08-2008, 11:22 AM
Kronauge didn't lose in the 1st round, but J.P Smith (preseason #10) did, to Kronauge's OSU teammate Steve Moneke. I don't know how that team isn't number 1. Their doubles are stacked, and they have three top twenty singles players (Kronauge, Koniecko, Moneke). And you've got to love that they're doing this with only two foreigners on the roster.

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 01:19 PM
Yup, OSU is the team to beat this year, IMO. I think their top 3 are #8, #9 and #11 or #12. They also had a new guy make it through pre-qualies, qualies and win a round at the All-Americans. (Balazs is his name I think) At the Indoors, no team had more than 1 player in the quarters, and OSU had 3.

Fedace
11-08-2008, 01:37 PM
Yup, OSU is the team to beat this year, IMO. I think their top 3 are #8, #9 and #11 or #12. They also had a new guy make it through pre-qualies, qualies and win a round at the All-Americans. (Balazs is his name I think) At the Indoors, no team had more than 1 player in the quarters, and OSU had 3.

NOT,,, Stanford is the team to beat this year. There is no other division 1 program that has stronger lineup than stanford. #1 thru #6, everyone is good to Great. Names like Ryan Thacher, Alex Clayton, Bradley Klahn, Rich Wire, Matt Bruch, Greg Hirschman brings fear in any team that goes against them. Ryan Thacher and Bradley Klahn would play #1 in any other program other than Stanford, in division 1 college.:)

phamster
11-08-2008, 01:43 PM
NOT,,, Stanford is the team to beat this year. There is no other division 1 program that has stronger lineup that stanford. #1 thru #6, everyone is good to Great. Names like Ryan Thacher, Alex Clayton, Bradley Klahn, Rich Wire, Matt Bruch, Greg Hirschman brings fear in any team that goes against them. Ryan Thacher and Bradley Klahn would play #1 in any other program other than Stanford, in division 1 college.:)

fedace,

you know your stuff !!!

phamster

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 02:08 PM
NOT,,, Stanford is the team to beat this year. There is no other division 1 program that has stronger lineup that stanford. #1 thru #6, everyone is good to Great. Names like Ryan Thacher, Alex Clayton, Bradley Klahn, Rich Wire, Matt Bruch, Greg Hirschman brings fear in any team that goes against them. Ryan Thacher and Bradley Klahn would play #1 in any other program other than Stanford, in division 1 college.:)

Let me get this straight...just because YOU think they're the best, they are? How did they do overall at the All-Americans, Indoors....? What are the rankings of their top players, do they have as many in the top 15 as OSU? Where are the results to back up your thoughts? Clayton lost back to back at the Indoors...and that's the best they have. Sounds like a let down to me.

Fedace
11-08-2008, 02:16 PM
Let me get this straight...just because YOU think they're the best, they are? How did they do overall at the All-Americans, Indoors....? What are the rankings of their top players, do they have as many in the top 15 as OSU? Where are the results to back up your thoughts? Clayton lost back to back at the Indoors...and that's the best they have. Sounds like a let down to me.

Alex isn't in top form at the moment. He is saving himself for the NCAA championships next year. Even if their top guys lose, and this won't happen often, their guys at #3 to #6 spots are stronger than any other teams. Ryan Thacher, Rich Wire, Matt Bruch-healthy matt Bruch, can beat up on any other guys at those spots. :)

Fedace
11-08-2008, 02:18 PM
fedace,

you know your stuff !!!

phamster

Thank you Pham. Believe it or not, Ryan Thacher could be better than all the other guys on the Stanford team. When he is healthy again, he could surpass, alex Clayton and claim the #1 spot. He is that good.:)

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 02:21 PM
I did a little furthur research:

All-American Championships:
Richard Wire(Stanford)- Lost 1st Round
Alex Clayton(Stanford) Lost in Rd of 16 as 4 seed
Bradley Klahn(Stanford)- Lost in Rd of 32
Justin Kronauge(OSU)- Lost in Rd of 16 as 8 seed
Steven Moneke(OSU)- Lost in Quarters as 11 seed
Shehei Uzawa(OSU) Lost 1st Round
Balazs Novak(OSU) Lost 1st Round
Bryan Koniecko(OSU)- Lost in Rd of 32 as 9 seed
Bryan Koneicko-Justin Kronauge(OSU)- Lost in Rd of 16
Steven Moneke-Balazs Novak(OSU) - Lost in Quarters
Stanford had no teams qualify for doubles

National Indoors:
Bryan Koniecko(OSU) In finals as #8 seed
Justin Kronauge(OSU) In finals as #7 seed
Steven Moneke(OSU) Lost in quarters unseeded
Alex Clayton(Stanford) Lost back to back as #4 seed

Wow, you're right Fedace, its clear Stanford is superior!!!

Fedace
11-08-2008, 02:41 PM
^^^INDIVIDUAL results. i am talking about team. Stanford as a TEAM is stronger than any other up and down the lineup. and Ryan Thacher hasn't even played yet. rest of the NCAA division 1 teams have surprise coming.

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 03:24 PM
I think you're confusing tennis with other sports. Its not like basketball in the sense that Kobe Bryant can make up for the fact that the center sucks. Line 1 is just as important as line 6, and they're each worth the same # of points- 1! They play at the same time, on separate courts. Its much more of an individual sport than you're giving it credit. I can't imagine any teams beating OSU at lines 1-4. And while Stanford has a lot of good players, its been years since they've been able to field their best team because of injuries. No matter what the reason, OSU is playing much better than Stanford NOW, and probably in the future.

Fedace
11-08-2008, 04:00 PM
Ohio state does not match up well with Stanford. I say at any one of those spots from #1 to #6, STanford would win, it would be a toss up. Alex Clayton can destroy Bryan Koniecko, short nerd boy. and Thacher and Klahn would take out #2 and #3 of Ohio state on any given day.

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 04:07 PM
How do you know this? Just your opinion? You make it sound like fact, but you have no result to back it up.

Fedace
11-08-2008, 04:11 PM
I have seen Bryan Koniecko play and seen what he is capable of. Nice results this week but his game doesn't match up well with top guys with power game. He gets overpowered easily by power players. and other guys like Kronauge, yea he is a nice player but i would put my money on Ryan Thacher anyday. Ryan is top 5 Junior to have come out of 18's division. He will take out Kronauge in straight sets.

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 05:01 PM
You're funny.

Kronauge was ranked #1 as a junior.

Fedace
11-08-2008, 06:27 PM
^^I know but since his Junior days, he has done exactly nothing. His game has not improved. he has toped out while others are getting better everyday

NickC
11-08-2008, 06:48 PM
^^I know but since his Junior days, he has done exactly nothing. His game has not improved. he has toped out while others are getting better everyday

Got proof? Results would be nice.

Fedace
11-08-2008, 07:19 PM
He is losing to his teammate, the nerd boy named Bryan Konieko

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 07:28 PM
Yea, you're right....he's no good.

Big 10 Freshman of the Year
Ranked #33 in doubles freshman year
All-American as a sophomore
Ranked #13 as a sophomore in singles, #12 in doubles
Won 20 consecutive matches
Ranked #9 as a junior
Now a finalist at ITA indoors

Clearly he's not getting better, his ranking isn't improving each year.
Clayton on the other hand, well he's only getting better, look at his recent results.....

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 07:30 PM
Oh wait, Clayton ISN'T getting better. My bad.

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 07:31 PM
Below you will find a lame excuse by Fedace as to why the obvious facts I've presented are skewed....

ClarkC
11-08-2008, 07:32 PM
I would rate UCLA #1, Ohio State a close #2, and a big scramble after that. Gary Sacks turning pro might give Stanford a chance at second place in the Pac 10 this year. Stanford will definitely be better than last year, which is fine with me, but I consider anyone other than UCLA and Ohio State (even my team, Virginia) to be a dark horse for the national title.

We will see in May, although I think we will have a clearer idea long before May.

ClarkC
11-08-2008, 07:36 PM
One more note about team rankings and predictions: Every year, there are top recruits who enter school in January and change lineups significantly. Sometimes foreign recruits, and sometimes academy or home schooled domestic recruits who graduate in December. The prognosis for a team can change dramatically if a new guy shows up who is good enough to push several players down a spot in the lineup. A thin team can be a plenty deep enough team in an instant.

Lindsay
11-08-2008, 07:38 PM
I would rate UCLA #1, Ohio State a close #2, and a big scramble after that. Gary Sacks turning pro might give Stanford a chance at second place in the Pac 10 this year. Stanford will definitely be better than last year, which is fine with me, but I consider anyone other than UCLA and Ohio State (even my team, Virginia) to be a dark horse for the national title.

We will see in May, although I think we will have a clearer idea long before May.

Yea, I'll give you that. UCLA is doing pretty darn good. 7 Guys ranked in preseason polls....not bad.

Just scanning the rankings, Texas has 5 ranked players, Georgia has 5, OSU 4, Virginia 4, Baylor 4, Stanford 3, USC 3, Texas A & M 3, South Florida 3, Illinois 3...... I don't know how anyone could say Stanford is contending for the national title. They're fighting for 2nd in their conference.

ClarkC
11-08-2008, 08:00 PM
Ryan Thacher and Bradley Klahn would play #1 in any other program other than Stanford, in division 1 college.:)

The problem for Stanford is that this is merely humorous speculation on your part, whereas half the UCLA team actually did play #1 for other college teams. Seriously, half their starting lineup this year are transfers from other schools. Harel Srugo played #1 for Old Dominion for two years and then came to UCLA last year and had a very good record at #1. Fellow Israeli Amit Inbar played #1 for Maryland as a freshman last year and transferred to UCLA for this year. Matt Brooklyn (England) played #1 for Arizona State, then transferred to UCLA starting this year because Arizona State cancelled their men's tennis program. And that does not count Michael Look of Australia, who started his first year at a small college before going to UCLA years ago.

Nicholas Meister was a good blue chip recruit last year who might be #7 on the roster this year because of the depth on their roster. Haythem Abid would have played #2 last year except he redshirted with an injury.

The top 3 look like Srugo, Abid, and Seguso, meaning that former #1 players elsewhere could be at #4 and #5 or #6 with Look. That is why I am more worried, as a Virginia fan, about playing UCLA than anyone else in the country. I know we can beat Ohio State, even if they do suddenly stack their singles lineup again in the bottom three positions in an effort to cheat like last year. :)

NickC
11-08-2008, 08:09 PM
He is losing to his teammate, the nerd boy named Bryan Konieko


Wait, the same nerd boy who plays #1 on a team that for the past few seasons has been ranked HIGHER than Stanford? The same nerd boy who could feed you two bagels with his left hand? Say it ain't so, Feddie, say it ain't so!


But it is so.

ClarkC
11-08-2008, 08:16 PM
Now I notice that UCLA added an ITF ranked international recruit, Eugen Brazdil of Slovakia, who is listed as a freshman on their roster. Don't remember his commitment being announced, but that is common for international recruits. Now I don't know how to rate their lineup. I figure him as a very good 4-6 spot player, which means they are very good down to the 8th spot in singles and have a lot of doubles team options. I will wait and see what they do in the indoor dual match season to make any further predictions, but they are loaded.

Joeyg
11-09-2008, 05:11 AM
Crazy 'ole Dr. Fedace never lets facts get in the way of his arguments, Lindsay. Wait until "Standford" starts losing a few matches. The excuses will start rolling off his tongue. Just like in this thread where he says that Clayton is saving himself for a tourney 6-7 months from now.

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 05:50 AM
Crazy 'ole Dr. Fedace never lets facts get in the way of his arguments, Lindsay. Wait until "Standford" starts losing a few matches. The excuses will start rolling off his tongue. Just like in this thread where he says that Clayton is saving himself for a tourney 6-7 months from now.

The way he's playing, he won't even qualify for the
NCAAs...

Fedace
11-09-2008, 06:08 AM
The way he's playing, he won't even qualify for the
NCAAs...

Hahhahhhaaaa, Alex almost beat Somdev last year and if he did, he would have gone on to win the NCAA as freshman. Now this year, the time is perfect. Even Somdev lost early in ITA all american in Tulsa last year, but so what he came back and played strong in NCAA's. so what happens in the fall means nothing really. it maybe good for fattening up the ranking but that is about it. Alex Clayton is by far the best Player in NCAA right now. Don't let the results in the fall fool you...:)

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 06:09 AM
I know we can beat Ohio State, even if they do suddenly stack their singles lineup again in the bottom three positions in an effort to cheat like last year. :)

How did they cheat? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong match. Last time OSU played UVA their lineup was
#6 Kronauge
#60 Moneke
#85 Koniecko
NR #Uzawa
NR #Allare who defeated #83 Barrick
#96 Eberly

Its the same lineup they used the previous 2 matches as well.... Did I miss something?

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 06:10 AM
Hahhahhhaaaa, Alex almost beat Somdev last year and if he did, he would have gone on to win the NCAA as freshman. Now this year, the time is perfect. Even Somdev lost early in ITA all american in Tulsa last year, but so what he came back and played strong in NCAA's. so what happens in the fall means nothing really. it maybe good for fattening up the ranking but that is about it. Alex Clayton is by far the best Player in NCAA right now. Don't let the results in the fall fool you...:)

The conclusion around here is that YOU are the one who's fooled.

Fedace
11-09-2008, 06:14 AM
The conclusion around here is that YOU are the one who's fooled.

STOP, i know talent when i see one. This guy is REAL deal. He will WIN the NCAA this coming year and lead the Team to the NCAA championships. You will see. Just WATCH in Febuary when they go to Chicago for ITA team championships. you will the True Power of Stanford in action. they are the favorites to win that and send the clear message to NCAA teams.

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 06:28 AM
STOP, i know talent when i see one. This guy is REAL deal. He will WIN the NCAA this coming year and lead the Team to the NCAA championships. You will see. Just WATCH in Febuary when they go to Chicago for ITA team championships. you will the True Power of Stanford in action. they are the favorites to win that and send the clear message to NCAA teams.

Says the delusional....

Fedace
11-09-2008, 06:35 AM
Says the delusional....

LOL..... you will eat your words when it all comes true....as early as Febuary..:twisted:

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 06:37 AM
LOL..... you will eat your words when it all comes true....as early as Febuary..:twisted:

You're right, if Stanford wins the NCAAs, or makes it further than UCLA or OSU, I'll eat my words. Can you say the same if they don't?

NickC
11-09-2008, 06:53 AM
Alex Clayton is by far the best Player in NCAA right now. Don't let the results in the fall fool you...:)

Brilliant logic. I doubt you graduated from a community college, let alone Stanford. You're not fooling anyone.

Here's real logic:
Form = Results.

So the truth is that someone's results say what kind of form they're in. If someone is consistantly loosing, he's not the best. If someone is consistantly winning, he's the best. Is your boy Clayton winning tons of matches right now? No. So therefore, he isn't the best at the moment. Talent doesn't figure into this equation.

Fedace
11-09-2008, 07:01 AM
Brilliant logic. I doubt you graduated from a community college, let alone Stanford. You're not fooling anyone.

Here's real logic:
Form = Results.

So the truth is that someone's results say what kind of form they're in. If someone is consistantly loosing, he's not the best. If someone is consistantly winning, he's the best. Is your boy Clayton winning tons of matches right now? No. So therefore, he isn't the best at the moment. Talent doesn't figure into this equation.

He is OFF form. Simple as that. but come January he will get INTO form. OK, is that in form with you ?

NickC
11-09-2008, 07:59 AM
He is OFF form. Simple as that. but come January he will get INTO form. OK, is that in form with you ?

No, because if he is OFF form, he's not the best player right NOW, as you stated.

Fedace
11-09-2008, 08:04 AM
No, because if he is OFF form, he's not the best player right NOW, as you stated.

they will destroy their competition, starting with Hawaii at the end of this month.....LOL

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 08:06 AM
they will destroy their competition, starting with Hawaii at the end of this month.....LOL

Why is that funny? Because they will beat Hawaii? Is that really a big feat for a team that is supposed to be so good?

Fedace
11-09-2008, 08:12 AM
Why is that funny? Because they will beat Hawaii? Is that really a big feat for a team that is supposed to be so good?

Hawaii is just a good times for the guys. Nice diversion if you will. but don't underestimate them so much, their #1 guy is very good ranked player. and next febuary UCLA and USC will learn how good Stanford really has become..:)

ClarkC
11-09-2008, 09:01 AM
How did they cheat? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong match. Last time OSU played UVA their lineup was
#6 Kronauge
#60 Moneke
#85 Koniecko
NR #Uzawa
NR #Allare who defeated #83 Barrick
#96 Eberly

Its the same lineup they used the previous 2 matches as well.... Did I miss something?

Take a look at their results all spring. Uzawa was their 6th best player and played down at #6 in several Big Ten matches. When the NCAAs started, he was back at #4 (just like at the National Team Indoors) so that they could have a better chance of winning #5 and #6, even if they have to sacrifice #4. Win 2 out of 3 at the bottom of the lineup, and if they win the double spoint they only have to win 1 of the top 3 singles, or 2 of the top 3 if they lose the doubles point.

Yes, Uzawa played #4 in the previous 2 matches, becase the previous 2 matches were NCAA tournament matches. For any team tournament, indoors or outdoors, you have to declare a lineup and stick with it strictly. You can remove a player and move the others up, but you cannot rearrange the order after you declare it.

The consensus of players I talked to was that Uzawa was not as good last year as Allare and Eberly, and I think his results showed that. It will be interesting to see how the lineup goes this year. Uzawa was a freshman last year and might have improved and honestly be #4 this year. We will see.

EDIT: Uzawa never played #6, only 4 and 5. To be charitable, maybe Ohio State just had one of those rosters where #4,#5,#6 are all about even, so whoever plays #4 has a rough time and the others fare better. Those watching the matches from other schools did not evaluate the players that way, but it is possible.

OleNole
11-09-2008, 09:29 AM
Uzawa did have a pretty strong result in Tulsa, making the main draw from pre-qualies by winning six straight matches. Balazs Novac is another good player, I would think either of those guys could play #4 this year. With Allare at 6, that's a pretty strong lineup.

I'm curious how Stanford will line up. Where will the two freshmen fit in? Where will Bruch play? With those guys and Clayton they have four players good enough to win big tournaments, though it seems like the biggest question with these guys is if they can stay healthy. Throw in Wire and Hirschman and I agree with Fedace that a healthy Stanford squad is by far the best team in the country. Problem is, with all their injury issues, they'll never all be healthy. Thus, for me it's OSU.

ClarkC
11-09-2008, 09:45 AM
Until you see the American blue chip recruits play against these foreign recruits that you might never have heard of at other schools, it is hard to say how everyone stacks up. Saying that a healthy Stanford is "by far" the best team in the country is quite premature.

I would put Stanford as one of the many contenders for the spots below UCLA and Ohio State. They could be #3 or #10. Who knows?

Fedace
11-09-2008, 10:06 AM
Uzawa did have a pretty strong result in Tulsa, making the main draw from pre-qualies by winning six straight matches. Balazs Novac is another good player, I would think either of those guys could play #4 this year. With Allare at 6, that's a pretty strong lineup.

I'm curious how Stanford will line up. Where will the two freshmen fit in? Where will Bruch play? With those guys and Clayton they have four players good enough to win big tournaments, though it seems like the biggest question with these guys is if they can stay healthy. Throw in Wire and Hirschman and I agree with Fedace that a healthy Stanford squad is by far the best team in the country. Problem is, with all their injury issues, they'll never all be healthy. Thus, for me it's OSU.

I think Ryan Thacher will stay healthier than Matt Bruch has thus far. Ryan has back issues but he was able to compete on regular basis when he was Junior. Matt on the other hand had been missing big chunks of seasons so far with many different types of injuries.

NickC
11-09-2008, 10:24 AM
they will destroy their competition, starting with Hawaii at the end of this month.....LOL

your response makes no sense. How does this say that a player that is off-form is the best player in the country? You made a claim, now back it up. Opinions won't work on me, buddy. Only facts and statistics. Your boy Clayton isn't doing so hot right now, but you proclaim him to be the best player in the country. Defend that.

Fedace
11-09-2008, 12:12 PM
your response makes no sense. How does this say that a player that is off-form is the best player in the country? You made a claim, now back it up. Opinions won't work on me, buddy. Only facts and statistics. Your boy Clayton isn't doing so hot right now, but you proclaim him to be the best player in the country. Defend that.

Here is a fact for ya.... Alex won the US open in the past. Has anyone from USC or UCLA done that ??:)

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 12:55 PM
Here is a fact for ya.... Alex won the US open in the past. Has anyone from USC or UCLA done that ??:)

Uh, nope. But players from UGA have, and they aren't contending for a national title. It obviously doesn't guarantee success in the future. So I guess its not as big a deal as you think. I would also note that he played with Donald Young, not a bad partner. And after he won, he was invited to practice with the Davis Cup team. So 2005 was a big year for Clayton, sure. But he is now the prime example of a player not getting any better, or maybe getting worse.

NickC
11-09-2008, 01:07 PM
Here is a fact for ya.... Alex won the US open in the past. Has anyone from USC or UCLA done that ??:)

So the fact that he won a US Open Junior doubles title with a kid ranked top 200 on the ATP tour makes him the best player in college tennis right now? I mean, he's not ranked #1, is in bad form, hasn't won a individual or doubles colegiate title, yet he's the best?

Great logic, did you quit school after failing the first grade or something?

Fedace
11-09-2008, 01:41 PM
So the fact that he won a US Open Junior doubles title with a kid ranked top 200 on the ATP tour makes him the best player in college tennis right now? I mean, he's not ranked #1, is in bad form, hasn't won a individual or doubles colegiate title, yet he's the best?

Great logic, did you quit school after failing the first grade or something?

Alex has reached the semifinal of NCAA and was dominating everyone til he ran into Somdev. and he would have won if Somdev wasn't there.

NickC
11-09-2008, 01:54 PM
Alex has reached the semifinal of NCAA and was dominating everyone til he ran into Somdev. and he would have won if Somdev wasn't there.

So by your logic...

1. Somdev is better (but you said Clayton is better :gasp: )
2. There ARE better players at the moment than Clayton, as he DID loose.
3. He's the best in the country RIGHT NOW because he lost in the semis of the NCAA tourney.


Great stuff.

Fedace
11-09-2008, 02:00 PM
So by your logic...

1. Somdev is better (but you said Clayton is better :gasp: )
2. There ARE better players at the moment than Clayton, as he DID loose.
3. He's the best in the country RIGHT NOW because he lost in the semis of the NCAA tourney.


Great stuff.

Oh dear, oh dear,,,, Venus and helgeson whom has beaten Alex thus far this year is not good enough to be a water boy in one of Alex's matches. Those 2 guys won't make into top 1000 in ATP tour. but on the other hand, Alex was touted as potential top 50 player in the tour.

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 02:09 PM
Oh dear, oh dear,,,, Venus and helgeson whom has beaten Alex thus far this year is not good enough to be a water boy in one of Alex's matches. Those 2 guys won't make into top 1000 in ATP tour. but on the other hand, Alex was touted as potential top 50 player in the tour.

You are the dumbest person I've ever spoken to. Venus and Helgeson were both ranked higher than Clayton on the tour, and both top 1000. So Venus and Helgeson can't be water boys for Clayton, but they can beat them?

Fedace
11-09-2008, 02:14 PM
You are the dumbest person I've ever spoken to. Venus and Helgeson were both ranked higher than Clayton on the tour, and both top 1000. So Venus and Helgeson can't be water boys for Clayton, but they can beat them?

I meant to say that many experts at IMG has picked Alex to do really well on the pro tour. but as for Venus and Helgeson(not even as good as his brother), are not and never will be even talked about to do anything but become a spectator on the pro tour. those boys, better get a good degree at their colleges, they will need it.....

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 02:20 PM
I meant to say that many experts at IMG has picked Alex to do really well on the pro tour. but as for Venus and Helgeson(not even as good as his brother), are not and never will be even talked about to do anything but become a spectator on the pro tour. those boys, better get a good degree at their colleges, they will need it.....

Nice try on the backtrack after you were proven wrong. Get a life Fedace. Everyone else has stats, you have dreams....

NickC
11-09-2008, 02:24 PM
Oh dear, oh dear,,,, Venus and helgeson whom has beaten Alex thus far this year is not good enough to be a water boy in one of Alex's matches. Those 2 guys won't make into top 1000 in ATP tour. but on the other hand, Alex was touted as potential top 50 player in the tour.


Logical fallacy!


If Alex is so good, and these guys suck, why are they ranked higher than him on the Pro Tour? And if he's so good, why is he loosing to kids like Somdev, who, by your own words, say he sucks and will never make it on tour!

Lindsay
11-09-2008, 02:39 PM
Logical fallacy!


If Alex is so good, and these guys suck, why are they ranked higher than him on the Pro Tour? And if he's so good, why is he loosing to kids like Somdev, who, by your own words, say he sucks and will never make it on tour!

Nicholas, you make too much sense. Fedace won't get it.

Julieta
11-09-2008, 02:42 PM
Aurelija :)

Fedace
11-09-2008, 04:24 PM
Nicholas, you make too much sense. Fedace won't get it.

What i am saying is this. Overall, Alex is just better player than those guys he lost to this fall and more talented overall. I can't give you hard proof cause there isn't one yet so early in the season this year. If you could ask the so called experts like Bolletieri, he will tell you the same thing. When Federer lost to Tim Henman early in his career, would you have said henman is just more talented and better player than Federer ? many experts did not say just that. Federer lost to Henman then, but many experts still knew Roger was far more talented player than Henman.:)

Fedace
11-09-2008, 04:26 PM
What a Heart breaking loss by Teft and Frilling of Notre Dame in the Doubles final. There there girls, keep your head up, there will be another day.

Women's Doubles Main Draw


Final - 12:30 pm

Tefft/Frilling (Notre Dame) vs
(3)Kucerkova/Petukhova (Fresno St) wins 6-4 2-6 7-6

Lindsay
11-12-2008, 08:53 AM
Hey Stanford, nice pickup in Denis Lin. So far, #1 recruiting class for 2009.

eeytennis
11-13-2008, 04:28 PM
Not sure about OSU winning the National tournament this year, but I can say Stanford has gotten three very talented recruits for next year with Matt Kandath leading the way. So maybe next year, Fedace.

Fedace
11-16-2008, 07:25 PM
Not sure about OSU winning the National tournament this year, but I can say Stanford has gotten three very talented recruits for next year with Matt Kandath leading the way. So maybe next year, Fedace.

We will start in coming NCAA tournament. and Coach Whit is starting a Dynasty of Champions. Stanford could win the NCAA for next 5 years just like Federer has won Wimbledon for 5 consecutive years...:)

NickC
11-19-2008, 06:20 PM
We will start in coming NCAA tournament. and Coach Whit is starting a Dynasty of Champions. Stanford could win the NCAA for next 5 years just like Federer has won Wimbledon for 5 consecutive years...:)

Champions generally don't loose that often. Unfortunately, your heralded team hasn't exactly been brining in the individual titles. Are they talented? Yes. Do they have the potential to do well? Yes. Will they do well? Not a chance.

Feddie, one more thing. People aren't going to take your word for this, as we know how to judge results, which have no bias. You, on the other hand, have a bit too much bias, and it's getting a bit out of hand. You're probably the worst here at overrating players (like that kid who played #3 for UCLA, who you said would be in the top 50 right now, couldn't make a living on the futures tour and has since retired from the pro game) and you need to stop acting so stupid.

Oh, by the way, you say you graduated from Stamford. It's the hardest school to get into in the entire country, (the smartest kid in my grade didn't even get in, despite taking Advanced Calculus, a course thats for Seniors who are two years ahead of their year, as a sophomore), and the one kid I know who goes there is probably one of the most well spoken people I've ever met in my life. I highly doubt someone of your current maturity and grammar levels even got into a community college, let alone Stamford. If you really went there, how about you please the rest of us and act like it.

Thank you.
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socaltennnis
11-19-2008, 07:28 PM
Feddie, one more thing. People aren't going to take your word for this, as we know how to judge results, which have no bias. You, on the other hand, have a bit too much bias, and it's getting a bit out of hand. You're probably the worst here at overrating players (like that kid who played #3 for UCLA, who you said would be in the top 50 right now, couldn't make a living on the futures tour and has since retired from the pro game) and you need to stop acting so stupid.


just to add to this, it's not like he (dont want to use his name in a website), was trying to make a living or pay his bills through playing tennis. he graduated and just wanted to travel. also fedace, as i said, stanford will not be #1. they can probably make top 10, yet they will still be 3rd in pac 10 cause ucla and usc will be top 8 as they have been in the past many years.

Fedace
11-19-2008, 08:59 PM
just to add to this, it's not like he (dont want to use his name in a website), was trying to make a living or pay his bills through playing tennis. he graduated and just wanted to travel. also fedace, as i said, stanford will not be #1. they can probably make top 10, yet they will still be 3rd in pac 10 cause ucla and usc will be top 8 as they have been in the past many years.

I garantee they will beat both UCLA and USC in 09. and prove that they are the better team. Their #1 can't beat guys like Ryan Thacher and Alex Clayton. so go figure.

Joeyg
11-20-2008, 06:47 AM
That's guarantee, Dr. Doofus.

NickC
11-20-2008, 04:30 PM
I garantee they will beat both UCLA and USC in 09. and prove that they are the better team. Their #1 can't beat guys like Ryan Thacher and Alex Clayton. so go figure.

Respond to my earlier post. Or are you scared that someone has actually called you out and you can't back up your claims?

And we're not going to listen to your predictions, as you haven't got one right here so far. You've got a history of being flat out wrong, so nobody is going to even give your thoughts the time of day.

Sorry.

Fedace
11-20-2008, 06:29 PM
Respond to my earlier post. Or are you scared that someone has actually called you out and you can't back up your claims?

And we're not going to listen to your predictions, as you haven't got one right here so far. You've got a history of being flat out wrong, so nobody is going to even give your thoughts the time of day.

Sorry.

the Results in the Fall doesn't mean anything for the next season. Alex is not in top form right now. When Nalbandian was playing so bad in the summer, did you think he would continue to do so in the fall and winter ? No, he came back with a vengence. and Klahn with all this experience behind him now, he will be unbeatable next year. Most likely, he will play #3 or #4 spot. I won't be surprised if he goes undefeated at that spot for the entire season.:)

NickC
11-20-2008, 07:38 PM
the Results in the Fall doesn't mean anything for the next season.

Of course it doesn't. Pre-season rankings, seeds at early season tourneys, etc... All of that; it means nothing! /sarcasm.

Alex is not in top form right now.

Yet you think he's the best player in the country at the moment (I can quote you on this). Another logical fallacy!

When Nalbandian was playing so bad in the summer, did you think he would continue to do so in the fall and winter ?

No, he didn't do terrible in the Summer. We all knew he would come back, because he plays his best on indoor carpet and other related surfaces, and tends to peak around this time of year. He does this every season.

I fail to see how your point is relevant, however. Stamford hasn't done well at all in the past few years so there's no comparison to be drawn.

and Klahn with all this experience behind him now, he will be unbeatable next year. Most likely, he will play #3 or #4 spot. I won't be surprised if he goes undefeated at that spot for the entire season.:)

Want to make a bet on that?

Fedace
11-20-2008, 07:41 PM
and Ryan Thacher at #2 spot will be unbeatable. I predict it will be all Stanford final in the NCAA championships. Alex vs Ryan..... YOu can only try to predict the winner..

socaltennnis
11-20-2008, 09:24 PM
fedace, will u quit posting if ucla or usc beat stanford? thanks.

Fedace
11-23-2008, 07:28 PM
Who knows, it is always possible for USC and UCLA to get lucky and beat us on one of the dual matches. but i will tell you, that We will win the NCAA championships in May of 09.

NickC
11-24-2008, 04:03 PM
Who knows, it is always possible for USC and UCLA to get lucky and beat us on one of the dual matches. but i will tell you, that We will win the NCAA championships in May of 09.

You didn't answer his question. He asked if you would quit posting if USC or UCLA beat Stamford. That is all. He didn't ask for opinions or anything, just a simple yes or no. Let's hear your answer. Yes, or No. That's it.

Lindsay
11-24-2008, 06:15 PM
What if they don't win the NCAAs?
And you're not on the team. It's not WE! It's THEM!

NickC
11-24-2008, 07:45 PM
How about you quit posting if they don't win the NCAAs? That's your big promise, back it up.

Those are after all the dual meets. If Stamford looses to USC or UCLA he should quit posting. If Stamford goes undefeated and wins the NCAAs, we'll let him back in.



And quit referring to the team like you're on it. It's not WE! It's THEM!

Feddie, I second the notion. You didn't even go to Stamford, let alone play for the team. From what I've heard by multiple sources as well is that you absolutely suck at tennis. Get off your high horse, we've all found you out.

ttbrowne
11-25-2008, 08:13 AM
I believe I watched Fedace play?
Fedace, Do you remember beating Baylor, I was there!?

Joeyg
11-25-2008, 09:39 AM
Sorry, but there is no way on earth that Dr. Fedace played D1 college tennis.

LSStringing
11-26-2008, 09:53 AM
NO WAY FEDACE PLAYED AT A DI SCHOOL! His knowledge of collegiate players and INability to analyze hitters would make it impossible to have ACTUAL experience in that field. He is a POSTER, not a PLAYER.

NickC
11-26-2008, 12:22 PM
NO WAY FEDACE PLAYED AT A DI SCHOOL! His knowledge of collegiate players and INability to analyze hitters would make it impossible to have ACTUAL experience in that field. He is a POSER, not a PLAYER.

Corrected for you.

LSStringing
11-26-2008, 03:26 PM
Thanks, Nicholas! :)

ttbrowne
11-29-2008, 06:15 AM
Hmmm, Seems Fed has disappeared from this topic.

Fedace
11-29-2008, 06:39 AM
NO WAY FEDACE PLAYED AT A DI SCHOOL! His knowledge of collegiate players and INability to analyze hitters would make it impossible to have ACTUAL experience in that field. He is a POSTER, not a PLAYER.

Wait a minute, guy... i NEVER said i played for D1 school. I played in intramural tennis though. but other than that i did play on the team but it wasn't D1 school. That was before my transfer to Stanford. Anyway, beside that confusion, my analysis of pro and collge tennis players are 1 in a Million..:)

NickC
11-29-2008, 07:13 AM
Anyway, beside that confusion, my analysis of pro and collge tennis players are 1 in a Million..:)

Yes, that's because the other 999,999,999 have a brain.