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BergTennis03
11-07-2008, 04:31 PM
I've seen some interest in the new lines of racquets coming out. I've posted specs on the new sampras racquet in their respective forums, but I have the 2009 catalogue sitting in front of me. Here are 3 new players frames wilson will be releasing in 2009

[K]obra Tour
[K]obra Team FX
[K]Pro Team FX

if enough people ask real nicely I will post the specs for each racquet and let the debates begin..

Berg Out

dhustla15
11-07-2008, 04:46 PM
PLz post the pics plz plz plz and thank you.

tennisguyak
11-07-2008, 04:53 PM
i'd really appreciate some specs.....please.

BergTennis03
11-07-2008, 04:57 PM
haha alright here are specs... im bored.. I don't have pics but I am typing straight out of the '09 catalogue.

[K]obra tour
Swing Index: 6/fast and long
Power: Medium
Headsize: 100"
Strung Weight: 11.5 oz.
Length: 27'
Unstrung Weight: 10.9 oz.
Strung Balance: 7 pts. HL
String Pattern: 16x19
Cross Section: 26 mm dual taper beam

[K]arophite black*double hold
- - A brand new player's frame - - solid, accurate, impressive. Created for the new generation of aggressive tournament players, the [K]obra tough offers plenty of power, maximum spin, and the legendary [K]ontrol of [K]factor... a deadly weapon to strike any opponent in style

BergTennis03
11-07-2008, 05:00 PM
[K]obra Team FX
Swing Index: 6/fast and long
Power: medium
Headsize: 100"
Strung Weight 11.1oz.
Length: 27"
Unstrung Weight: 10.5 oz
Strung Balance: 5 pts. HL
String Pattern: 16x19
Cross Section: 26mm dual taper beam

[K]arophit Black*Double Hole*Quad Shaft
- - A lighter, more maneuverable racket with the Kobra family. With a [K]ontrol-orienter feel the [K]obra Team FX combines power and ultimate spin thanks to the exclusive FX technology. Quick and lethal, the [K]obra Team FX is a must have for all the new generation of court performers.

BergTennis03
11-07-2008, 05:03 PM
[K]Pro Team FX
Swing Index: 6/fast and long
Power: Medium
Headsize: 100"
Strung Weight: 10.4 oz
Length: 27"
Unstrung Weight: 9.8 oz.
Strung Balance: 1 pt. HL
String pattern: 16x19
Cross Section: 26mm dual taper beam

[K]arophite Black*Doouble Hole*Quad Shaft
- - As the latest addition to the [K]Pro family with the new FX technology, this racket is designed for the aggressive player who aspires to a great balance of power and "tour-oriented" [K]ontrol. It has never been so easy to maximize spin and speed as it is now with the new [K]Pro Team FX

BergTennis03
11-07-2008, 05:04 PM
i don't have much on the FX technology, but the other team racquets I saw (blade, tour, two, and four) all had slits in the throat (picture o3 technology in the throat). We have a brochure on it, so when I am able to snag that from management, I will post more on that topic. Pics to come when I get around to signing up for a pics website. The [K]obra is a SWEET looking stick

Daycrawler
11-07-2008, 05:30 PM
All too light for my liking.

pfchang
11-07-2008, 05:49 PM
All too light for my liking.

word. specs are not appealing at all.

26mm cross section?
100" headsize?
only 11.5 oz strung?

defly not similar to my KBT.

wangman31888
11-07-2008, 05:51 PM
is this wilson's answer to more power oriented player rackets, like a pure drive?

pfchang
11-07-2008, 05:57 PM
is this wilson's answer to more power oriented player rackets, like a pure drive?

probably?

and berg, and word on the flexes of these joint-joints?

Daycrawler
11-07-2008, 06:03 PM
Like my racket is plenty power, the n95 and I generate enough power but I could be interested in trying out the tour but idk.

BergTennis03
11-07-2008, 06:07 PM
i dunno man i don't get to make the racquets.... yet haha

they are cool looking.. we are going to get them for demo at the end of the month...

they may be more junior oriented tour racquets?? a la pure drive and such

Murray_Maniac
11-07-2008, 06:18 PM
All too light & large headed for my tastes. But Im interested in pics. Got any?

____
11-07-2008, 07:14 PM
They called it a tour with this weight??

BergTennis03
11-08-2008, 03:55 AM
yea it's a little light for a tour racquet but there are a lot of tournament players going in that direction. Real fast swings (a la Nadal) are starting to get more people thinking about going in the lighter direction..

the pureists wont do it this way, but to each his own

BergTennis03
11-08-2008, 03:57 AM
and it's only listed on the "players frames" pages of the catalogues... and in all fairness, the [K] surge is the last stick on that list and I do not consider it a player's frames

scraps234
11-08-2008, 05:23 AM
plz post pics...

Roms
11-08-2008, 09:01 AM
word. specs are not appealing at all.

26mm cross section?
100" headsize?
only 11.5 oz strung?

defly not similar to my KBT.

Agree with you
They don't seem as players frames, but as rockets launchers.
Specs are not interesting for me
is it possible that wilson make a news 6.1 line (future of kfactor) for australian open (because the frame was created two years ago)?

leonidas1982
11-08-2008, 09:10 AM
Agree with you
They don't seem as players frames, but as rockets launchers.
Specs are not interesting for me
is it possible that wilson make a news 6.1 line (future of kfactor) for australian open (because the frame was created two years ago)?

There won't be any "new technology" this coming year.

Roms
11-08-2008, 10:17 AM
There won't be any "new technology" this coming year.

ok thanks, maybe in 2010. I thought that they invented a new technology all the two years (sorry for my english)

El Diablo
11-08-2008, 11:22 AM
Hint -- if it happens according to a schedule, it ain't "technology."

FedererForehand
11-08-2008, 11:35 AM
haha alright here are specs... im bored.. I don't have pics but I am typing straight out of the '09 catalogue.

[K]obra tour
Swing Index: 6/fast and long
Power: Medium
Headsize: 100"
Strung Weight: 11.5 oz.
Length: 27'
Unstrung Weight: 10.9 oz.
Strung Balance: 7 pts. HL
String Pattern: 16x19
Cross Section: 26 mm dual taper beam

[K]arophite black*double hold
- - A brand new player's frame - - solid, accurate, impressive. Created for the new generation of aggressive tournament players, the [K]obra tough offers plenty of power, maximum spin, and the legendary [K]ontrol of [K]factor... a deadly weapon to strike any opponent in style

[K]obra Team FX
Swing Index: 6/fast and long
Power: medium
Headsize: 100"
Strung Weight 11.1oz.
Length: 27"
Unstrung Weight: 10.5 oz
Strung Balance: 5 pts. HL
String Pattern: 16x19
Cross Section: 26mm dual taper beam

[K]arophit Black*Double Hole*Quad Shaft
- - A lighter, more maneuverable racket with the Kobra family. With a [K]ontrol-orienter feel the [K]obra Team FX combines power and ultimate spin thanks to the exclusive FX technology. Quick and lethal, the [K]obra Team FX is a must have for all the new generation of court performers.

is this wilson's answer to more power oriented player rackets, like a pure drive?

I agree - looks like Pure Drive and Pure Drive Roddick... IMO.

sureshs
11-08-2008, 11:40 AM
Too light...

StunLock
11-08-2008, 11:50 AM
The Tour looks similar to DNX9 and the FX team sounds like a APD/PD.

Do they have PWS?

armsty
11-08-2008, 12:48 PM
The Kobra seems interesting.

thehunk
11-08-2008, 09:01 PM
Dude, so that means, no new Fed Paintjob??

FedererForehand
11-09-2008, 05:23 AM
Dude, so that means, no new Fed Paintjob??

Oh no- not that anything but that!!! Must... get...new... paint...job....

kalic
11-09-2008, 06:09 AM
What's the flex ratig ? With 26mm, it's supposed to be around 70....

BigSkyChamp
11-09-2008, 03:44 PM
These racquets are not substantial enough to be real player's rackets, maybe top-level juniors or the chick tour, that's it. I'm assuming another knock off babolat PD as fore-mentioned. You just don't make 'em like you used to, Mr. Wilson. Which leads me to ask...

??? What Happened to the F$!?!!? ProStaffs ??? <--- that should be it's own thread.

srvnvly
11-09-2008, 04:32 PM
pics and flex? thx!

leonidas1982
11-09-2008, 05:52 PM
These racquets are not substantial enough to be real player's rackets, maybe top-level juniors or the chick tour, that's it. I'm assuming another knock off babolat PD as fore-mentioned. You just don't make 'em like you used to, Mr. Wilson. Which leads me to ask...

??? What Happened to the F$!?!!? ProStaffs ??? <--- that should be it's own thread.

I think Wilson is trying to cover all segments; one hopes they don't lose focus on producing quality player frames.

Roms
11-10-2008, 02:58 AM
any pics ?

master_stringer_mitchy
11-10-2008, 03:11 AM
yeah, pics? u get all this info there is allways pics! why are wilson trying to bring out new players rackets, now we have blades, kobras, all the six ones and the sampras. will fed use the k pro staff?

Shangri La
11-10-2008, 01:25 PM
haha alright here are specs... im bored.. I don't have pics but I am typing straight out of the '09 catalogue.

[K]obra tour
Swing Index: 6/fast and long
Power: Medium
Headsize: 100"
Strung Weight: 11.5 oz.
Length: 27'
Unstrung Weight: 10.9 oz.
Strung Balance: 7 pts. HL
String Pattern: 16x19
Cross Section: 26 mm dual taper beam

[K]arophite black*double hold
- - A brand new player's frame - - solid, accurate, impressive. Created for the new generation of aggressive tournament players, the [K]obra tough offers plenty of power, maximum spin, and the legendary [K]ontrol of [K]factor... a deadly weapon to strike any opponent in style

Sounds like an Asian K95 + 5 sq in.

scraps234
11-23-2008, 06:16 AM
pics plz....

Schills
11-23-2008, 10:08 AM
For those that think these are too light remember that overgrip and damper add .7 ozs. That's been my experience with published specs and the Babolat PDC and PDR, Yonex 002T and 001 MP, Wilson K95 and Dunlop m-fil 300.

sureshs
11-23-2008, 10:29 AM
For those that think these are too light remember that overgrip and damper add .7 ozs. That's been my experience with published specs and the Babolat PDC and PDR, Yonex 002T and 001 MP, Wilson K95 and Dunlop m-fil 300.

No chance. Strings + OG + dampener all together add 0.6 oz as per my measurements.

barry
11-23-2008, 10:42 AM
No chance. Strings + OG + dampener all together add 0.6 oz as per my measurements.

I have a Kblade 98 4 5/8 grip and it weighs 10.9 ounces unstrung. Strung, leather grip, and overgrip weighs 11.9 ounces. So I think with an overgrip and leather the Kobra easily will be 12.2 ounces. Beam (26) seems a little thick to me, should play close to the original Wilson Surge, which was the best in that series.

TheNatural
11-23-2008, 10:54 AM
These sound like rackets made for Serena Williams.

uni
11-23-2008, 05:42 PM
the kobra has a baby blue and brown color scheme... very weird

Schills
11-23-2008, 06:01 PM
No chance. Strings + OG + dampener all together add 0.6 oz as per my measurements.

My experience with several different frames from several manufacturers suggests otherwise. The 2 PDRs ended up at 12.4 oz as did the Yonex 001 MP. These are both listed at 11.7 strung. The 2 K95s came in at 12.8 and 13oz. As I recall they were listed at 12.1 strung. I don't recall the weights of the other rackets I mentioned as its been some time, but my results have been consistent at .5-.7 ozs over published spec after OG and damper. I suppose it could be my scale.

wilsondude
11-24-2008, 06:59 AM
Someone PLEASE post pics of the (K)obra Tour. Based on the specs of this frame, how will it play in comparison to my K Tours (95 Henin) in which I have leaded tthem up to 11.2-11.4 somewhere there.

wilsondude
11-24-2008, 03:37 PM
I would like to make a switch so I would like to know. I know there is good advice and knowledge distributed on these boards so I am hoping that smoeone can distinguish the similarities of the two frames (k tour 95 and kobra tour) based on the specs of the kobra tour.

tennisfreak15347
11-24-2008, 03:49 PM
the Kobra tour would have been really appealing if it was a 18 x 20 stringbend, with a 20mm beam width. the thick beam is a really big turn-off. goodbye wilson :)

Uncle Emmitt
11-24-2008, 04:26 PM
11.5 and 11.1 are reasonable wts. The third one is too light. If it's too light you could add some lead and its in yalls player category. They may be rocket launchers for you guys but they aren't for Andreev, Roddick, Moya, Clisters, Lopez ( k pro open ) and others who use PD type racquets which these new Wilsons look like they are. They I'm sure lead all those up someway to balance and more heft however they want but they do use those type racquets.

A fullpoly or hybrid to me, help control the power and create great spin.

Grip and type swing have a lot to do with how someone can play with the stiffer more powerful player racquets these days.

The medium power on these do seem to be more than the normal low-med that PD , PDR and k Pro Open are usually listed as so would love to hit with one and try it.Currently play w/ PDR mains 63 PHT/ crosses xcel or I'm experimenting w PHT full job at 62. If I was younger would probably play with that setup but at 51 my arm likes the hybrid better. I do agree those type racquets can launch the ball strung with a soft string at a low or even mid tension.

I'm meeting the Wilson rep next wednesday as I took a tennis director/ head pro position and they use wilson balls so will meet w/ him first. He said they had some new frames coming out and he was gonna bring a couple out so I guess I'll have one in my hand next week. I hit with BB pro listed as medium and it felt nice after I leaded it up but was strung loose with a multi so couldn't really tell how it played. Ideally I think I would like something between the PDR and aeropro drive. I'll get back on this thread if I get to hit with em and let yall know how it went.

I hit with top jrs at newks and have no problem controlling the ball.

What did the peanut butter say to the jelly?? :confused:

get off me slimeball :mrgreen:

USAF - 1
11-27-2008, 11:47 AM
Here;s the new catalog post with the [K]obra frames. Kinda ugly.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2894859&postcount=15

jazar
11-27-2008, 12:12 PM
those kobra's look horrible and i anticipate they won't sell well at all

USAF - 1
11-27-2008, 12:15 PM
those kobra's look horrible and i anticipate they won't sell well at all

I agree. I was really interested in it until I saw the paint job. Its like a aqua blue. Specs look nice for me though.

Pro Staff Pete
11-28-2008, 06:18 AM
lol @ kobra :D

robertg06
11-29-2008, 07:10 AM
I actually really like the look of these, maybe it's just me lol.

Jonny S&V
11-29-2008, 07:19 AM
I actually really like the look of these, maybe it's just me lol.

I liked it too, but the new Pro Staff Tour got my attention a lot more *Jonny is drooling on the keyboard at this moment*...

NickC
11-29-2008, 07:22 AM
My god the Kobra is ugly. I just threw up a little.

robertg06
11-29-2008, 07:27 AM
I really like the colours, interesting...

vmosrafa08
11-29-2008, 07:27 AM
Go to my thread for the pics of the new [K]obra racquets
and the new set of Wilson bags that are coming out in February:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=232405

AlpineCadet
11-29-2008, 10:54 AM
My god the Kobra is ugly. I just threw up a little.
I never understood how people can easily throw up from seeing the paint job on a racket.

kungfusmkim
11-29-2008, 12:02 PM
Wow i really like the colours. Its unique... i am a fan of standing out soo i adore it and their guts to publish these things. I like it i wouldnt mind using it.

scraps234
11-29-2008, 12:38 PM
imo the colours arnt bad but they arnt the best either... i might demo it...

Justin
11-29-2008, 02:59 PM
The bright baby blue and brown just do not go well together. Not a fan.

Fedace
11-29-2008, 03:02 PM
which is better ?? Kobra or K-blade 98 ?

kungfusmkim
11-29-2008, 06:23 PM
which is better ?? Kobra or K-blade 98 ?

IMO for me either is fine.. but if i had to choose if go with the Kobra. BECAUSE:
1. No one else will have it.
2. Its more forgiving.
3. its original

tennis_hand
11-29-2008, 10:25 PM
bunch of lame rackets and racket names.

AlpineCadet
11-29-2008, 10:35 PM
bunch of lame rackets and racket names.Have you hit with the frames yet?

robertg06
11-29-2008, 11:40 PM
I think that this would look really nice with a blue string job :) I'd be the envy of my friends lol

Uncle Emmitt
12-10-2008, 10:53 AM
wilson rep came by other day and showed me all the new racquets. that color on pj is quite diff.

Andrew Y
12-10-2008, 05:07 PM
I saw Wilson's new racquets. The Kobra is one of the ugliest racquets I've seen. The paintjob should not determine whether someone should buy a racquet or not, but I just don't think it'll sell very well... especially as a "player's racquet." Their new bags are awful as well.

A little off topic but I also saw Prince's new racquets and it seems as if Prince and Wilson are going at opposite directions. Wilson is trying to attract every type of player with their new/different frames while Prince is becoming simpler getting rid of a number of their frames. I think Wilson is heading in the wrong direction. Only my opinion of course.

barry
12-11-2008, 02:35 PM
New Kobra has the same specs as the WILSON HYPER PROSTAFF 5.1 SURGE

Specs:

Headsize: 100 sq. inches
Balance (strung): 7 points head light
Length: 27 inches
Cross section: 25/26 mm
String Pattern: 16 * 19

I thought it was the best hitting racket in the Surge series. The Ncode and K Surge versions were to light.

m27
12-11-2008, 03:29 PM
hey its the wilson pure drive! ;)

saw this when our wilson rep came to our store

forehand2theface
12-11-2008, 06:55 PM
i think it will look better in person, many times catalogs don't do the justice (i.e the new prince exo)

ollinger
12-11-2008, 06:57 PM
Specs are hardly the same as the old Surge. Kobra is apparently 11.5 ounces strung, compared to 11.0 for the Surge.

barry
12-12-2008, 01:50 AM
Specs are hardly the same as the old Surge. Kobra is apparently 11.5 ounces strung, compared to 11.0 for the Surge.

Not really, I own 2 of the old surges and they weigh 11.6 ounces strung. I think it is the same mold. When you weigh rackets, don't forget the rule of grip size; the larger the heavier.

AlpineCadet
12-12-2008, 01:57 AM
Not really, I own 2 of the old surges and they weigh 11.6 ounces strung. I think it is the same mold. When you weigh rackets, don't forget the rule of grip size; the larger the heavier.
Nadal is number 1 right now, and I'm sure Wilson wants the same frame.

barry
12-12-2008, 02:48 AM
Nadal is number 1 right now, and I'm sure Wilson wants the same frame.

Does anyone really care whose name is on a racket, after all they all come the same molds, just different ingredients, stamped with the manufactures name. The point is many of the “new frames” are not new, but just previous molds with newer materials and painted for more appeal. Last time I checked the string industry, they were even worse. There were 6 companies actually manufacturing string, the rest were brand repackaged.

You have to admit the Hyper Prostaff Surge 5.1 was one of the ugliest rackets ever made, but the best playing racket in the Surge series.

martini1
12-12-2008, 02:53 AM
Last time I checked the string industry, they were even worse. There were 6 companies actually manufacturing string, the rest were brand repackaged.

.

Where can I find out what strings are actually the same thing but rebranded?

I know Wilson gut are made by Babo what about polys?

det3
12-15-2008, 04:40 PM
the wilson frames are going to have something called "quadshaft" frame design. it looks like the throat has a big slit through it going vertically. also, the kobra is more blue and doesn't look quite so bad. there is also a k pro Team FX and a K Tour Team FX and a K Three FX. the FX stands for "factor multiplied". i don't have any specs, but the throat thing looks lame. it's like there is two seperate pieces on the throat. you can look right through....

srvnvly
12-16-2008, 04:40 AM
New Kobra has the same specs as the WILSON HYPER PROSTAFF 5.1 SURGE

Specs:

Headsize: 100 sq. inches
Balance (strung): 7 points head light
Length: 27 inches
Cross section: 25/26 mm
String Pattern: 16 * 19

I thought it was the best hitting racket in the Surge series. The Ncode and K Surge versions were to light.

I also thought the HPS 5.1 Surge was the best of the series; I also liked the HPS 5.1 SurgeX - good power on the serve and volleys were solid!

crism54
12-16-2008, 07:26 AM
kobra tour = pro staff 5.1/npro open/npro surge + leather grip!

psp2
12-16-2008, 08:34 AM
Stiffness (unstrung): 64 RA on the RDC

Cnote
12-16-2008, 12:58 PM
Any info on the swingweight?

Shangri La
12-16-2008, 01:03 PM
Any info on the swingweight?

yea... that'd be really nice.... the stiffness looks great.

Shangri La
12-16-2008, 01:20 PM
the beam is THICK !

Jsa2u
01-13-2009, 06:25 AM
the beam is THICK !

that's what she said. I like them.

SteveI
01-13-2009, 11:38 AM
Not really, I own 2 of the old surges and they weigh 11.6 ounces strung. I think it is the same mold. When you weigh rackets, don't forget the rule of grip size; the larger the heavier.

Barry,

I have 2 in 4 5/8. Both are 11.4 strung.

Steve

HodeClassicMP
01-13-2009, 11:43 AM
Tour version, 26mm taper beam? Wilson must be crazy!

El Diablo
01-13-2009, 12:02 PM
Crazy? Plenty of Pure Drives on the tour and that racquet is 25 mm.

vasquez90
01-13-2009, 12:09 PM
I saw Wilson's new racquets. The Kobra is one of the ugliest racquets I've seen. The paintjob should not determine whether someone should buy a racquet or not, but I just don't think it'll sell very well... especially as a "player's racquet." Their new bags are awful as well.

A little off topic but I also saw Prince's new racquets and it seems as if Prince and Wilson are going at opposite directions. Wilson is trying to attract every type of player with their new/different frames while Prince is becoming simpler getting rid of a number of their frames. I think Wilson is heading in the wrong direction. Only my opinion of course.



Funny you say that because clearly wilson is now biting off of O3 and putting holes in their rackets! No? Nothing from the Wilson lovers about that? Shhhhhhh.

King_roger
01-13-2009, 12:20 PM
PLz post the pics plz plz plz and thank you.

http://www.tennis-point.de/templates/tennispoint/images/produktbilder/0070000212000000/0070000212000000_500.jpg
http://www.tennis-point.de/templates/tennispoint/images/produktbilder/0070000212100000/0070000212100000_500.jpg

KwangSunPark
01-13-2009, 12:32 PM
http://www.tennis-point.de/templates/tennispoint/images/produktbilder/0070000212000000/0070000212000000_500.jpg
http://www.tennis-point.de/templates/tennispoint/images/produktbilder/0070000212100000/0070000212100000_500.jpg

I like bottom one,
top on is ugly.

Ambivalent
01-15-2009, 09:58 PM
Brown and light blue. Can't think of two colors that don't match as much as they do.

Shangri La
01-15-2009, 10:11 PM
Brown and light blue. Can't think of two colors that don't match as much as they do.

Lol !

Nadal-GOAT
01-15-2009, 10:23 PM
None of you guys are man enough for those new rackets like these guys:

http://thefeed.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/27/cobra.gif http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1276/1353028403_abfe22b61d.jpg

adams_1
01-16-2009, 12:16 AM
Brown and light blue. Can't think of two colors that don't match as much as they do.

You might be right. But once you put a white overgrip on it...

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa258/adams_427/kobratourog.jpg

You have yourself a rather sweet looking racquet. But if they had used something other than blue...

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa258/adams_427/redkobratourog.jpg

It could have been even better.

ollinger
01-16-2009, 08:19 AM
I wouldn't say they "match" but brown and blue hightlight each other, which is why women with brown eyes usually favor blue eye shadow.

nate_malone
01-17-2009, 05:08 PM
Not bad, I am looking at the team model. Similar weight to the Kblade which I like.

Ambivalent
01-19-2009, 04:03 AM
I'm guessing you reversed the colors for the second one. It looks pretty good.