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kashgotmoney
11-17-2008, 09:14 PM
hello...
here is my story and you tell me what you think... i got cut from the tennis team freshman year and i was forced to switch schools the next year. i played 4 hours everyday durin summer between fresh and sopgh year and i made number 4 for my school. now im a junior and i play number one and in between my soph and junior year, i practiced 6-9 hours EVERYDAY durin summer and now play number varsity. i dont know what level college tennis to play. i also play usta and i am ranked in the top 200 for 16's. dont do many tournaments though. i use a k six one tour 90 racquet and tennis is my life. so what do u guys reccomend for me to do for colllege... for example... take a year off after highschool and traina?, go to a d3, d2 or what????? im confused and im a junior thanks

10isDad
11-18-2008, 11:46 AM
First, my sarcastic side: Oooh, aah, you use a ksix one tour 90...ooh, aah.

Honestly, why would you rely on the opinions of people you don't know for this kind of decision? The majority of us are opinionated average joe's with no real expertise.

This should be a sticky:
*#1: do some research on your own! There are countless threads from people asking the same questions. There are also countless responses, many of which are idiotic and worthless.
*VERY IMPORTANT: You are attending college to get a degree. You are not going to college to play tennis. Those who have the talent to actually make a decent living playing tennis (playing on tour), probably won't be going to college. The rest of us are going in order to further our education and position ourselves for the best possible opportunity for our occupations post-college.
*Play tournaments as a junior.
*Play as much as you can afford.
*Play as high a level tournament as you possibly can.
*Write e-mails/letters to coaches - lots of 'em.
*If you like, include a link to a YouTube video of you playing a match against a worthy opponent, not to a long video of you hitting groundstrokes from fed balls.
*If you gets responses back from coaches: hooray! Follow up with them. If you don't, try others, maybe moving down a level. Don't forget JUCO, etc.
*If all else fails, enjoy school and become a college tennis fan.

hotseat
11-18-2008, 01:22 PM
jeez, whomever 10isKid is, i feel bad for after reading that response. what a jerk. anywho......

to be more constructive, i'd say keep doing what you're doing. most d2/d3 coaches will put you on the team if you have around 4.0NTRP talent with great work ethic. work ethic is HUGE to coaches, so make sure you show them how much/often you practice. if tennis is important to you, start making a financial plan to afford to be able to attend a d2 or d3 school. they won't be able to give you any scholarships, so you'll have to pay your way, and more often than not they're more expensive than your in state d1 school.

KEEP training, playing, and doing what you can to improve and enjoy your college years playing some tennis! DONT take a year off, though. if you can't get on a d2 or d3 school, play two years at a community college to help develop your game and get school taken care of simultaneously. more often than not, if you perform well enough in a 2 year school, you will be a shoe in for some other school if that's your intention!

good luck!

10isDad
11-18-2008, 01:42 PM
^^^You think? Hmmm, I suggested doing research, training, playing as much as possible, contacting coaches, following up with coaches, being sure not to exclude other divisions including JUCO, etc.

The initial comment was meant mostly as a joke. Trust me, he would have been flamed by others. The initial implication a reader would get from the OP is that by using a certain racquet, it means he's advanced, which is ridiculous. Guess I should have put in the little winking smiley...

...and BTW, don't you think the statement that "most d2/d3 teams will put you on the team if you have around 4.0NTRP level" is a huge generalization?

kashgotmoney
11-18-2008, 03:24 PM
First, my sarcastic side: Oooh, aah, you use a ksix one tour 90...ooh, aah.

Honestly, why would you rely on the opinions of people you don't know for this kind of decision? The majority of us are opinionated average joe's with no real expertise.

This should be a sticky:
*#1: do some research on your own! There are countless threads from people asking the same questions. There are also countless responses, many of which are idiotic and worthless.
*VERY IMPORTANT: You are attending college to get a degree. You are not going to college to play tennis. Those who have the talent to actually make a decent living playing tennis (playing on tour), probably won't be going to college. The rest of us are going in order to further our education and position ourselves for the best possible opportunity for our occupations post-college.
*Play tournaments as a junior.
*Play as much as you can afford.
*Play as high a level tournament as you possibly can.
*Write e-mails/letters to coaches - lots of 'em.
*If you like, include a link to a YouTube video of you playing a match against a worthy opponent, not to a long video of you hitting groundstrokes from fed balls.
*If you gets responses back from coaches: hooray! Follow up with them. If you don't, try others, maybe moving down a level. Don't forget JUCO, etc.
*If all else fails, enjoy school and become a college tennis fan.

i actually am going to college to play tennis mostly and grades , so tennis is right up there with grades. its weird how much i love tennis, i walk around my house with my racquet, im always talkin bout it.... i even go out at eleven at night to practice serves with a bucket cuz the lights turn on at my skool which is a block away... so whatever college tennis takes me to, i will go

10isDad
11-18-2008, 03:32 PM
i actually am going to college to play tennis mostly and grades , so tennis is right up there with grades. its weird how much i love tennis, i walk around my house with my racquet, im always talkin bout it.... i even go out at eleven at night to practice serves with a bucket cuz the lights turn on at my skool which is a block away... so whatever college tennis takes me to, i will go

Well, just to show hotseat that I'm not a jerk, I wish you nothing but the best regardless of how it turns out. Sounds like you've got the work ethic hotseat was talking about.

In other posts I've said that there's a school for just about everybody, as long as you're willing to put in the time and effort to look. It could mean moving out of state to get the right fit but there might be some college in your general area.

Daycrawler
11-18-2008, 04:17 PM
Posting a video would help us give you a better assessment

hotseat
11-18-2008, 07:18 PM
^^^You think? Hmmm, I suggested doing research, training, playing as much as possible, contacting coaches, following up with coaches, being sure not to exclude other divisions including JUCO, etc.

The initial comment was meant mostly as a joke. Trust me, he would have been flamed by others. The initial implication a reader would get from the OP is that by using a certain racquet, it means he's advanced, which is ridiculous. Guess I should have put in the little winking smiley...

...and BTW, don't you think the statement that "most d2/d3 teams will put you on the team if you have around 4.0NTRP level" is a huge generalization?

to be honest, I didn't even read your post after the initial comment, so I apologize if I reiterated things you already suggested. I wouldn't have read anymore after the initial statement if I was the OP either ;) (winking smiley for ya!)

just because other inconsiderate people supposedly would have flamed him shouldn't make it ok for you to, in my opinion at least. I think it's pretty safe to say that if you have 4.0 NTRP skill you can find a team to play on for sure. I think that statement is less of a generalization than oh, say, assuming the OP meant he's a god among men for stating the racquet he plays with :)


none of this really matters anyhow, but I just think it's silly how many people need to be negative on these boards. tennis is a fantastic game, and if you're on a tennis forum than you should treat everyone with respect, regardless if you know more or not. we all had "silly" questions at one point or another during our tennis ventures, and we're certainly not doing our parts to help promote the sport we love if we continuously flame people :)


I read from another post that you live in AZ? southwest represent!!!! do you play at all? :D

kashgotmoney
11-18-2008, 08:58 PM
Posting a video would help us give you a better assessment


so i guess ill post a vid for u guys of me playin a match... i play about a 3 out of 5 set match every other day and drills the days im not, i play with adults mostly and i am only 5'5, about 120 lbs.... so its obvious who i am in the vids compared to the other guys... i will record tomorrrowngiht when i play and try to post asap... thanks for all ur comments

LN_Dad
11-19-2008, 05:53 PM
Kash, where do you live? If you live in socal, all you have to do is play in an open tournament and if you can win 3 matches there then you're definitely D1 material. Man, are those guys tough to beat...

kashgotmoney
11-19-2008, 09:09 PM
Kash, where do you live? If you live in socal, all you have to do is play in an open tournament and if you can win 3 matches there then you're definitely D1 material. Man, are those guys tough to beat...

im in norcal... but i JUST turned 16 and im bumping up an age group to 18's... so anyways... a college just came to my school today... west new england college in massachusets i think it is... they have computer science which is what i want to do and they have a d3 team for tennis... the dean of admissions was nice and we had a one on one talk... thats one possibility...

teppeiahn1
11-19-2008, 09:58 PM
What city do you live in? Maby we might play eachother in the CIF

Fedace
11-19-2008, 10:05 PM
If you are top 200 in the 16's, you maybe able to find some division 1 college and get partial scholarship, and that is a big maybe. Division 1 college ranked outside of top 100, might be an option. but you have to make sure they have great academics. UC davis or UNLV might be an option

10isDad
11-20-2008, 04:04 AM
Probably need to clear something up. When you say you are top 200 in the Boys 16s, are you top 200 nationally or sectionally? Big difference.

Joeyg
11-20-2008, 05:04 AM
Sorry to say this, but you can forget UC Davis. I know of several 5.0 guys that tried to play there last year from Chabot JC and had to settle for the club team. Start thinking small D2 or D3 teams for a 4 year college. Or, you can play at a JC for two years, hopefully improve, and then go to a good 4 year school.

Where do go to high school? What is your sectional ranking? Do you play any USTA tourneys? I coach at Chabot Junior College and we would like to have you, if interested.

kashgotmoney
11-20-2008, 03:58 PM
Sorry to say this, but you can forget UC Davis. I know of several 5.0 guys that tried to play there last year from Chabot JC and had to settle for the club team. Start thinking small D2 or D3 teams for a 4 year college. Or, you can play at a JC for two years, hopefully improve, and then go to a good 4 year school.

Where do go to high school? What is your sectional ranking? Do you play any USTA tourneys? I coach at Chabot Junior College and we would like to have you, if interested.

i live in san ramon... im going to try to get in the highest d school possible for example d2 d3 or d1 or whatev... if i dont , ill play in chabot for a year or two then go for a "d" school again

AndrewD
11-20-2008, 04:44 PM
i actually am going to college to play tennis mostly and grades , so tennis is right up there with grades. its weird how much i love tennis, i walk around my house with my racquet, im always talkin bout it.... i even go out at eleven at night to practice serves with a bucket cuz the lights turn on at my skool which is a block away... so whatever college tennis takes me to, i will go

Then you need to read this article from the Racquet Sports Industry magazine, 'Careers in Tennis Generation Next?'.
http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2008/11/careers_in_tennis_generation_n.html
It will give you a good idea of the avenues you can go into, if you want to pursue tennis as a career (in some form, not just playing). In particular, it mentions the 'Professional Tennis Management program' at Methodist University in Fayetteville, N.C. If you're going to college for tennis and you're not likely to make it onto the pro tour then you'd be better off with a course that directly related to the industry instead of just studying any old thing.

10isDad
11-20-2008, 04:56 PM
^^^and don't forget the BA tennis management program at Ferris State in Michigan and the 2 year program in tennis management at Tyler.

Bash and Crash
12-04-2008, 09:22 PM
kash, what high school are you playing for, Cal High, Dougherty Valley, San Ramon Valley, monte vista(although I know their top 2 players are going D1 for sure) I'm a tennis coach in the area and work with many high school kids, and can easily tell you if you are on the right path.............also who's your coach or training facility?

SoCal10s
12-04-2008, 11:22 PM
reading some other post KASH did,he's top 200 NorCal... so he got a lot of work to do... no way he's gonna be top 200 National playing a few tournaments...
Kash.. nothing is impossible,if you really work your butt off and do what you say you WILL do ,I say you can improve.. but I have a feeling you just like to blog... show me some 'W' as Tiger would say...

MLoutch
12-05-2008, 07:21 PM
^^^and don't forget the BA tennis management program at Ferris State in Michigan and the 2 year program in tennis management at Tyler.

Tyler is JUCO program but the team and the Tennis Tech program is top notch and is treated like a top D1 program - Teams have been consistantly ranked at the top of the JUCO standings for years and if "tennis is your life" and you want to play and work as a pro or run a program...etc you should start looking into it now.

Coach Peterson has been there for years and recruits good Texas, some national and international talent - most every player who wants it moves on to top programs D1 thru D3. I have had lots of good local Houston juniors from our JD prgrams go there thru the years and all have done very well playing and moving on after.

kashgotmoney
12-05-2008, 08:19 PM
i play for dougherty valley, i might be numbe rone this year cuz im challenging and im in the top 3 for sure... but i have a good feeling about the challenge in number one... i have a tournament this weekend, i will try to post a vid of that, i am bumpping up to 18's

Bash and Crash
12-05-2008, 08:35 PM
ahhh, looks like you are playing over at Hunter's place, well if you want to get D3 or higher you will need to start playing 16-18 opens or higher, not the challenger's, need to be playing against Allen X., Shaun C., Chris Kapouras that will tell you where you stand. I work privately with Michael L., on your team..he should challenge for a singles spot this year he's been practicing hard and also training at Tompkins Academy his game is starting to take shape..

kashgotmoney
12-05-2008, 09:23 PM
whats hunters place? and wow , i just played michael luo like 3 hours ago lol... well i usually do 16 open but since im bumping up a age group, im doing challenger to see how i do... michael has gotten more consistent ive notice, uses alot of spin too...

ChuDat
12-05-2008, 11:19 PM
if you go to chabot and play for the team, I might see you, just for the heads up.

Bash and Crash
12-06-2008, 06:03 AM
Lafayette tennis club is owned by Hunter Galloway, good luck, if you ever want to, you can come by and bang some balls and I can tell you if you are on the right path, Michael knows where I'm at......

kashgotmoney
12-06-2008, 11:04 AM
well i have a tournament at the hunter gallaway tournament tomorrow... boys 18's challenger...

and im thinking of redflagginf a couple of days at chabot so i might see you( this is to the other guy, not you basha nd crash)

a_2c+
12-06-2008, 02:44 PM
best bet to help you analyze your situation (like daycrawler said) :

post a video or two or three of you playing.

like tennis.com said (i tried finding an article called something like "College Tennis 101"-i think tennis.com deleted the college tennis portion of the website..... :-( :

colleges are eager to get their hands on a californian.

hey! you have a great start to seeking your most desirable college for tennis: a rating in the top 200 in california.

(competition gets VERY hot in southern california though, from what i know....)

best wishes on your bright future. keep up the dedication to your tennis and grades.

a_2c+

[K]aotic
12-15-2008, 07:30 PM
im in norcal... but i JUST turned 16 and im bumping up an age group to 18's... so anyways... a college just came to my school today... west new england college in massachusets i think it is... they have computer science which is what i want to do and they have a d3 team for tennis... the dean of admissions was nice and we had a one on one talk... thats one possibility...
you're not actually top 200 when you're rank is 220. also you have a losing record in the 16s so why play up in the 18s. i don't get it. in my opinion you're not good enough to play 18s yet.

kashgotmoney
12-17-2008, 09:31 PM
yah i jus checked it, i mis calculated, i was counting my win at clubsport and i didnt know they updated the rankings that fast, i thought i was 220 without the clubsport win... and i think i am ready for 18's because i played in 18 challenger and i lost to this guy 6-1 4-6 7-10, and this guy beat the number two seed 6-1 6-0 and won the tournament 6-1 6-1 i think it was... so i did well considering i was the winners hardest match

[K]aotic
12-17-2008, 11:00 PM
yah i jus checked it, i mis calculated, i was counting my win at clubsport and i didnt know they updated the rankings that fast, i thought i was 220 without the clubsport win... and i think i am ready for 18's because i played in 18 challenger and i lost to this guy 6-1 4-6 7-10, and this guy beat the number two seed 6-1 6-0 and won the tournament 6-1 6-1 i think it was... so i did well considering i was the winners hardest match

challengers don't mean anything. opens are a lot harder. they attract top 80 18's players. you think you can take them on? a top 80 16s player can probably beat you. to be honest. i really think you should just stick with your own age group. besides, if open is too easy, bump up to championships and see how you do. if you can't get deep into the draw of a 16s open, don't expect to get anywhere in an 18s open.

ChuDat
12-18-2008, 12:58 PM
Most of the players I know usually bump up to opens when they have a good record in the challengers and by good record I mean they either win the challenger or reach semi-finals or finals.

Bash and Crash
12-18-2008, 07:36 PM
Most of the players I know usually bump up to opens when they have a good record in the challengers and by good record I mean they either win the challenger or reach semi-finals or finals.

yes, but kash hasn't won a 16's challenger yet and hasn't played many opens, he needs to win a challenger, do something in the opens and play a sectional or championship then attack the 18's, never hurts to learn how to win, before jumping age groups.

kashgotmoney
12-18-2008, 07:40 PM
yes its true i havent won a challenger yet, im just sayin that if i lost to the champion of the 18 challenger 10-7 in tibreak, i belong there... i was his hardest match. i have significantly improved since my last 16's tournament. i have inproved so much that i clocked my average first sreve at 94 and my fastest at 99. im hitting way more consistent and harder. i will show it in my next tournament. i hate being cocky but i will just let my racket do the talkin and then we will see where i belong

ChuDat
12-18-2008, 07:47 PM
Well winning 1 challenger doesn't really prove anything, Winning 2-3 does. Also sometimes challengers have players who should be in novice and beating them won't prove anything. Its better if you beat a quality opponent in a challenger and then move into the opens

Bash and Crash
12-19-2008, 06:37 AM
well kash, it seem's you got all the answers, good luck on your journey. By the way the "#2" seed in your tourney is ranked 282 in nor cal for 18's and the 1 seed defaulted the finals so be careful gauging off those quality opponent's.