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dutch monkey
02-15-2005, 11:21 AM
Curious as to which pros have used or still use the POG. If you know, I'd also like to know if they use the oversize. Thanks in advance for any replies.

gmlasam
02-15-2005, 11:31 AM
Agassi, used the POG OS before using Donay, and Head. Chang used the POG OS before Prince made him is own Chang racquets.

Coria, and Ferrero used the POG LB last year. Nalbandian used the POG also before he moved to Yonex, same with Hewitt.

Current Pros that still use the POG OS are Spadea and Rochus. There are probably others, but those two are the ones I know of hand.

atatu
02-15-2005, 12:10 PM
Hewit used to use the POG OS, I'm pretty sure. Rafter used the POG, not sure if it was the mid or OS. Lisa Raymond previously used the POG Mid.

thomas martinez
02-15-2005, 12:15 PM
Rochus doesn't use an original graphite, he plays a Chang longbody which has the 16 x 20 pattern as it was sold in Europe. Rafter did NOT play an original graphite when he came to tour, it was the Graphite II he played. Novotna tried an original graphite for a bit. LLeyton played the graphite 90. Martin Lee of Britian when I last caught him was playing one since he ran otu of Response Titaniums. It's a racquet that really isn't chosen by top players. Some will come up with them as juniors, then switch when the dollars are offered, or a better deal even if no money is involved.

Kirko
02-15-2005, 01:58 PM
saw John Alexander and Harold Solomon use the POG oversize in the fall of 87 at a senior event ; the moonball Solomon hit with it was out there.

Nastase
02-15-2005, 02:23 PM
Lets not forget Shlomo Glickstein...Chris Lewis, Gene Mayer, P McNamee, Sammy Giammalva....showing my age I suppose.

gmlasam
02-15-2005, 03:05 PM
Rochus doesn't use an original graphite, he plays a Chang longbody which has the 16 x 20 pattern as it was sold in Europe. Rafter did NOT play an original graphite when he came to tour, it was the Graphite II he played. Novotna tried an original graphite for a bit. LLeyton played the graphite 90. Martin Lee of Britian when I last caught him was playing one since he ran otu of Response Titaniums. It's a racquet that really isn't chosen by top players. Some will come up with them as juniors, then switch when the dollars are offered, or a better deal even if no money is involved.
It looked like Rochus was playing the newer version (newer paint job scheme) POG OS when he played against Safin at the AO. Nevertheless, he played many variations of the POG family line.

tandayu
02-15-2005, 08:28 PM
To add on those who have played POG: Paul Annacone, Gabriella Sabatini, Vince Van Patten, Carling Basset

AndrewD
02-16-2005, 01:36 AM
Paul Annacone - my favourite player as a kid. You are showing your age Nastase, LOL, but as I would have said the same names I guess it shows mine as well LOL. Definately the era I remember best - Glickstein, Mayer, Lewis, McNamee et al.

I also think Chip Hooper (anyone remember him?) used it early on in his career and there was a Swedish player, Nicholas Kulti who I believe used it (could have been the mid) before moving to Head. Paul Goldstein did as well, or was that the Chang?

Of the current players, Dementiava used the POG OS when she started out (saw a few images of her on the Getty site).

Thomas, why is it that the racquet isnt chosen by top players? Is it a problem with the frame or is it more of a sponsorship issue (as in, no money if you use the POG)?

Grant Morgan
02-16-2005, 09:14 AM
dont forget Viny

baseliner
02-16-2005, 11:00 AM
Ivan Baron and Al Parker (anyone remember Al parker?)

thomas martinez
02-16-2005, 12:18 PM
Vinny Bag o'donuts ya mean, Grant?

Colpo
02-17-2005, 05:18 AM
I recall a great photo of wanton pro excess from Vince Van Patten's prime (well, he was losing, so maybe just past his prime). Vince wasn't even in the picture. He used a great big Lark luggage duffle as his gear bag, with huge Lark brand logos on it (endorsement?, and don't bother looking for it, 'cause I've never found it). Strewn around it on the court, by his chair, were his match spoils: literally eight (8) POG OS's (single green, please!) of which at least three had been cracked during the match. Why the other five were out just lying on the court, who knows. Stringer woes, or do I hear the bell tolling ...

gmlasam
02-17-2005, 05:30 AM
Was Vince Van Patten any good? He has an actor father right?

I did a google on him, and all I got is him about poker. Looks like he is a better poker player. No hits about him on tennis.

Colpo
02-17-2005, 05:37 AM
He was good, and may have even had a cup of coffee in the world's top twenty around 1981. He provided the game with one of the Open era's greatest weeks of treeing when he zoned his way to the Seiko Tokyo title that fall knocking off several great players, including a peak Mac in the final. Very athletic and telegenic, the industry mags of the time loved his picture. Also, was one of Ellesse's first sponsorees when the company made its big push into the US tennis market that year. Vince was known for putting shirts and shorts color schemes together that make one sad for what passing for men's tennis dress today (I'm thinking grapefruit yellows and sky and azure blues). You could be straight and rock those Italian color combos back then!

gmlasam
02-17-2005, 05:47 AM
I did a google on the 81' ATP ranking and found that he was in fact ranked 28. Look HERE. (http://www.************.com/rankings/yearend/s1981.txt) I wonder there isn't more on him about tennis.

1981 ATP year-end ranking

Rankings list provided by Hervé Mathieu.
Please send your comments, suggestions, corrections to my e-mail herve.mathieu@ifrance.com or to Steve who could forward them. If you have full rankings lists pre-1989 (singles) and pre-1997 (doubles), please let me know. I am also after full draw sheets of the Australian Championships 1905-1940, and US Championships pre-World War I. Thanks !

1 McEnroe, John (USA)
2 Lendl, Ivan (TCH)
3 Connors, Jimmy (USA)
4 Borg, Björn (SWE)
5 Clerc, José-Luis (ARG)
6 Vilas, Guillermo (ARG)
7 Mayer, Gene (USA)
8 Teltscher, Eliot (USA)
9 Gerulaitis, Vitas (USA)
10 McNamara, Peter (AUS)
11 Tanner, Roscoe (USA)
12 Noah, Yannick (FRA)
13 Kriek, Johan (RSA)
14 Mayer, Sandy (USA)
15 Taroczy, Balazs (HUN)
16 Teacher, Brian (USA)
17 Pecci, Victor (PAR)
18 Fibak, Wojtek (POL)
19 Gottfried, Brian (USA)
20 Edmondson, Mark (AUS)
21 Amritraj, Vijay (IND)
22 Solomon, Harold (USA)
23 Smith, Stan (USA)
24 Denton, Steve (USA)
25 Pfister, Hank (USA)
26 Purcell, Mel (USA)
27 Dibbs, Eddie (USA)
28 Van Patten, Vincent (USA)
29 Gildemeister, Hans (CHI)
30 Mayotte, Tim (USA)
31 Smid, Tomas (TCH)
32 Lewis, Chris (NZL)
33 Glickstein, Shlomo (ISR)
34 Ramirez, Raul (MEX)
35 Scanlon, Bill (USA)
36 Higueras, José (ESP)
37 Gomez, Andres (ECU)
38 Gunthardt, Heinz (SUI)
39 Panatta, Adriano (ITA)
40 Kirmayr, Carlos (BRA)
41 Gehring, Rolf (GER)
42 Manson, Bruce (USA)
43 Rebolledo, Pedro (CHI)
44 DuPre, Pat (USA)
45 Orantes, Manuel (ESP)
46 Winitsky, Van (USA)
47 Maurer, Andreas (GER)
48 Sadri, John (USA)
49 Damiani, José-Luis (URU)
50 Borowiak, Jeff (USA)
50 Gullikson, Tim (USA)
52 Tulasne, Thierry (FRA)
53 Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA)
53 Buehning, Fritz (USA)
55 Moor, Terry (USA)
56 Gullikson, Tom (USA)
57 Curren, Kevin (RSA)
58 Giammalva, Sammy (USA)
59 Cano, Ricardo (ARG)
60 Fitzgerald, John (AUS)
61 Alexander, John (AUS)
62 Dent, Phil (AUS)
63 Birner, Stanislav (TCH)
64 Martinez, Mario (BOL)
65 Slozil, Pavel (TCH)
66 Krishnan, Ramesh (IND)
67 Wilkison, Tim (USA)
68 Mottram, Buster (GBR)
69 Wilander, Mats (SWE)
70 Austin, John (USA)
71 Frawley, Rod (AUS)
72 Ycaza, Ricardo (ECU)
73 Elter, Peter (GER)
73 Nastase, Ilie (ROM)
73 Nyström, Joakim (SWE)
76 Giammalva, Tony (USA)
77 Ocleppo, Gianni (ITA)
78 Lopez-Maeso, José (ESP)
79 Luna, Fernando (ESP)
80 Moretton, Gilles (FRA)
81 Arias, Jimmy (USA)
82 Doyle, Matt (USA)
82 Walts, Butch (USA)
84 Warwick, Kim (AUS)
85 Rennert, Peter (USA)
86 Krulevitz, Steve (USA)
87 Pinner, Ulrich (GER)
88 Portes, Pascal (FRA)
89 McNamee, Paul (AUS)
90 Arraya, Pablo (PER)
91 Gimenez, Angel (ESP)
92 Perez, Diego (URU)
93 Carter, David (AUS)
93 Fillol, Jaime (CHI)
95 Saviano, Nick (USA)
96 Amaya, Victor (USA)
97 Johnstone, Chris (AUS)
98 Gonzalez, Francisco (PUR)
98 Stockton, Dick (USA)
100 Järryd, Anders (SWE)
101 Lutz, Bob (USA)
101 Soares, João (BRA)
103 Lewis, Richard (GBR)
104 Gunnarsson, Jan (SWE)
105 Fritz, Bernard (FRA)
106 Fleming, Peter (USA)
107 Ismail, Haroon (ZIM)
107 Palin, Leo (FIN)
109 Roger-Vasselin, Christophe (FRA)
110 Vines, Mark (USA)
111 Eberhard, Klaus (GER)
112 Pattison, Andrew (USA)
113 Iskersky, Erick (USA)
114 Van't Hof, Robert (USA)
115 ***el, Rick (USA)
116 Potier, Jérôme (FRA)
117 Davis, Marty (USA)
118 Cahill, Mike (USA)
119 Goven, Georges (FRA)
120 Simpson, Russell (NZL)
120 Zirngibl, Werner (GER)
122 Du Pasquier, Ivan (SUI)
123 Fancutt, Charlie (AUS)
124 Hjertquist, Per (SWE)
124 Waltke, Trey (USA)
126 Cortes, Alejandro (COL)
126 Lapidus, Jay (USA)
128 Kuharszky, Zoltan (HUN)
129 Dunk, Chris (USA)
130 Mitton, Bernie (RSA)
131 Johansson, Kjell (SWE)
132 Kronk, Paul (AUS)
133 Deblicker, Eric (FRA)
133 Drewett, Brad (AUS)
133 Granat, Jiri (TCH
133 Pierola, Alejandro (CHI)
137 Stefanki, Larry (USA)
138 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA)
138 Graham, Tony (USA)
138 Keretic, Damir (GER)
141 Sauer, Freddie (RSA)
142 Hocevar, Marcos (BRA)
143 Delaney, Jim (USA)
144 Simonsson, Stefan (SWE)
145 Goes, Julio (BRA)
145 Torre, Paul-Antoine (FRA)
147 Siegler, David (USA)
148 Arguello, Roberto (ARG)
148 Osta, Eduardo (ESP)
150 Smith, Jonathan (GBR)
151 Wittus, Craig (USA)
152 Boileau, Bernard (BEL)
153 Kleege, Bruce (USA)
153 Panatta, Claudio (ITA)
155 Urpi, Gabriel (ESP)
156 Bourne, Lloyd (USA)
157 Dalla-Fontana, Fernando (ARG)
158 Beutel, Hans Dieter (GER)
159 Gurfein, Jim (USA)
159 Stadler, Roland (SUI)
161 Whitecross, Greg (AUS)
162 Bengoechea, Eduardo (ARG)
163 Delaney, Chris (USA)
163 Fromm, Eric (USA)
163 Moore, Ray (RSA)
163 Velasco, Jairo (COL)
167 Collings, Dale (AUS)
168 Ball, Syd (AUS)
168 Van Dillen, Erik (USA)
170 Edwards, Eddie (USA)
171 Derlin, Bruce (NZL)
172 Ostoja, Marko (YUG)
173 Leconte, Henri (FRA)
174 Casal, Sergio (ESP)
174 Dickson, Mark (USA)
174 Hampson, Wayne (AUS)
174 Hightower, Ron (USA)
174 Letcher, Cliff (AUS)
179 Castellan, Carlos (ARG)
180 Mitchell, Matt (USA)
181 Amritraj, Anand (IND)
182 Franulovic, Zeljko (YUG)
183 Martin, Billy (USA)
184 Feigl, Peter (AUT)
185 Docherty, Steve (USA)
185 Holroyd, Glen (USA)
185 Simonsson, Hans (SWE)
188 Prajoux, Belus (CHI)
189 Hrebec, Jiri (TCH)
190 Navratil, Jaro (TCH)
191 Aubone, Guillermo (ARG)
191 Ganzabal, Alejandro (ARG)
191 Rocchi, Ferrante (ITA)
194 Gattiker, Alejandro (ARG)
195 Bauer, Mike (USA)
195 Reininger, Robert (AUT)
195 Stevaux, Thierry (BEL)
198 Vizcaino, Roberto (ESP)
199 Stewart, Sherwood (USA)
200 Parun, Onny (NZL)
200 Tarr, Derek (RSA)
202 Meister, Steve (USA)
203 Restrepo, Javier (COL)
204 Odizor, Nduka (NGR)
205 Caujolle, Jean-François (FRA)
206 Mayotte, Chris (USA)
207 Avendano, Juan (ESP)
207 Kandler, Hans-Peter (AUT)
209 Meyer, Richard (USA)
210 Hardie, George (USA)
210 Lacek, Miloslav (TCH)
210 Testerman, Ben (USA)
213 McCain, Scott (USA)
213 Tiberti, Gustavo (ARG)
215 Andrews, Andy (USA)
215 Case, Ross (AUS)
215 Mustard, David (NZL)
215 Segarceanu, Florin (ROM)
215 Theissen, Harald (GER)
220 Simpson, Jeff (NZL)
221 Benavides, Ramiro (BOL)
222 Rinaldini, Gianluca (ITA)
223 Guan, Brad (AUS)
224 Kary, Hans (AUT)
225 Aguilera, Juan (ESP)
225 Bedel, Dominique (FRA)
225 Haillet, Jean-Louis (FRA)
225 Kohlberg, Andy (USA)
225 Lloyd, John (GBR)
225 Venter, Robbie (RSA)
231 Zipf, Christophe (GER)
232 Gattiker, Carlos (ARG)
232 Motta, Cassio (BRA)
232 Proisy, Patrick (FRA)
235 Beerman, Helmut (GER)
235 Feaver, John (GBR)
235 Hooper, Chip (USA)
235 Pirow, Brent (RSA)
239 Maher, Warren (AUS)
240 Dibley, Colin (AUS)
240 Harmon, Rodney (USA)
240 Hogstedt, Thomas (SWE)
240 Joubert, Deon (RSA)
240 Keller, Ney (BRA)
240 Koch, Thomaz (BRA)
246 Pils, Bernhard (AUT)
246 Taygan, Ferdi (USA)
248 Hayes, John (USA)
249 Schneider, David (ISR)
250 Norback, Jan (SWE)
251 Miller, Craig (AUS)
252 Sanders, Louk (NED)
253 Freyss, Christophe (FRA)
253 Garcia, José (ESP)
253 Guerrero, Gustavo (ARG)
253 Kirchhubel, Hartmut (GER)
253 Mir, Miguel (ESP)
253 Nunez, Juan (CHI)
259 Chappell, Rory (RSA)
259 Chatman, Junie (USA)
259 Harris, Ian (USA)
262 Hutka, Pavel (TCH)
262 Svensson, Stefan (SWE)
264 Acuna, Ricardo (CHI)
264 Stansbury, Cary (USA)
266 ***ui, Tsuyoshi (JPN)
266 Myburg, Mike (RSA)
266 Skakle, Cliff (USA)
269 Wilborts, Eric (NED)
270 Meiler, Karl (GER)
270 Puncec, Frank (RSA)
270 Visser, Danie (RSA)
273 Blaze, Bob (USA)
273 Davis, Scott (USA)
273 Gitlin, Drew (USA)
273 Lipton, Scott (USA)
273 McDonald, Matt (USA)
273 Rafaitin, Grégoire (FRA)
273 Stalhandske, Thomas (ARG)
280 Magnelli, Vittorio (ITA)
281 Estep, Mike (USA)
282 Gilbert, Brad (USA)
282 Miloro, Marzio (ITA)
282 Murphy, Pender (USA)
282 Viljoen, T. (RSA)
282 Waldman, Alan (USA)
287 Masur, Wally (AUS)
287 McKown, Ben (USA)
287 Steyn, Chris (RSA)
287 Wunschig, Max (GER)
287 Zugarelli, Antonio (ITA)
292 Pascoe, Wayne (AUS)
293 Nunez, Gonzalo (USA)
293 Redondo, Walter (USA)
295 James, John (AUS)
295 Maynetto, Fernando (PER)
295 Rivera, Ricardo (ARG)
295 Vanier, Jérôme (FRA)
299 Lando, Carlos (ARG)
300 Schapers, Michiel (NED)
300 Viver, Raul Antonio (ECU)

splink779
02-17-2005, 01:36 PM
I saw Rochus's racquet, and it has a paint job I've never seen and a curved crossbar, unlike the pogs straight bar. What racquet is he using?

gmlasam
02-17-2005, 01:48 PM
I saw Rochus's racquet, and it has a paint job I've never seen and a curved crossbar, unlike the pogs straight bar. What racquet is he using?
He uses different POG variants, ex... POG OS, Chang LB, and TT Graphite midplus. I haven't seen him play the NXG. Hard to say which one he is using because he changes often. Last year he was using the TT Graphite Mid plus which has the curved crossbar. This year at the Australian Open he used an POG OS against Safin.

atatu
02-17-2005, 02:06 PM
Wow, was that really 24 years ago ? I still recognize most of those names in the top 100. Some good stories in there, Remember Pecci making the finals of the French against Borg and the Diamond earring he used to wear ? How about John Sadri "the mad marine" making the NCAA finals against Mac ? Kevin Curren beating Mac and Jimbo back to back at Wimbledon weilding the Kneissel...How about Butch Walts beating Vilas in a night match at the US Open.

splink779
02-17-2005, 02:19 PM
He uses different POG variants, ex... POG OS, Chang LB, and TT Graphite midplus. I haven't seen him play the NXG. Hard to say which one he is using because he changes often. Last year he was using the TT Graphite Mid plus which has the curved crossbar. This year at the Australian Open he used an POG OS against Safin.

I checked Getty Images of him in the Safin match, and it does not look like a POG OS. Doesn't the POG OS have a straight bar? I'm just trying to figure this out.

gmlasam
02-17-2005, 02:35 PM
I checked Getty Images of him in the Safin match, and it does not look like a POG OS. Doesn't the POG OS have a straight bar? I'm just trying to figure this out.
Yes the POG OS does have a straight bar. I don't have an account to Getty Images. Would you post a pic of it?

splink779
02-17-2005, 02:44 PM
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52041888.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=C0B138730AA929674A3E68C9203EBAA0A9C30E9B9B11 4CE8

splink779
02-17-2005, 02:45 PM
Heres another, dont know why they only show up in link form.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/51926132.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA53A95B58FB16D35FFD79FF2F7A4 368C1A0D9A400B1C7CEB

gmlasam
02-17-2005, 02:51 PM
Hmmmm....if those are from AO, then I have mistaken. Those picks are the TTG midplus. Damn..I could of sworn I saw a POG OS.

splink779
02-17-2005, 03:08 PM
No prob. When I was watching, they showed a quick clip of the Safin match, and Brad Gilbert said something like, 'that guy uses the longest racquet allowed, hes gotta for his size.(Not a quote, its from memory, so dont bash Gilbert for whatever reason)" I know its probably impossible to tell, but he's gotta be using something like a 28 incher.

gmlasam
02-17-2005, 03:19 PM
Brad is close. The TTG midplus is 27.5.