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Aykhan Mammadov
02-18-2005, 03:40 PM
Recently one time Safin won in very hard match Federer at AO. I met so many times in different posts the phrase like this " Federer is the best. But If Safin stabilizes his mind then..."

Stop, boys, ha-a? Safin already has stabilized his mind and did it very long time ago. Yes, sometimes he plays very good and even won Sampras or Federer. But this is sometimes, boys. Stop ha ? It seems to you that he can't stabilize his mind because overall he can't play good tennis. Because to play against Fed or Pet you must be extremely concentrated. It is not possible for Safin every time, but possible in 1 of 100 cases. Stop ha-a , boys. He can't play good tennis, this is why his game and results are not stable enough, he may lose to a rookie, but can overplay somebody very strong.

I'm wondering that some tennis " specialists" here even have impudence to compare Safin with Fed !!! Stop ha , boys. Go first to understand what tennis is and then discuss.

When a player is a real master he doesn't need to fight against his mind and etc. , even awaken from the bed he must play good and without mistakes. It seems to you that something is incorrect with his mind, he makes mistakes simply because his techniques is not repetitevily good - this is the real reason why it seems so to you. Every REAL master IMHO must play stable. As Federer, Agassi, Pete, Hewitt. But not as Ferrero or Safin. Safin has to work as a horse to become at least 50% of what Fed is.

Aykhan Mammadov
02-23-2005, 02:07 PM
This thread was written by me at the day or maybe 1-2 days prior to the day when my posts were blocked at forum and nobody saw them.

Now Safin lost to Ginepri, to very ordinary player. I think I was right in this thread. Not because I don't like Safin, no, this is completely wrong. I like his tennis, his honest behaviours on the court.

Vlad
02-23-2005, 03:36 PM
In that match with Ginepri, Marat could barely stand because of stomach virus and played only becuase he did not want to disappoint public. I belive not many players would choose to torture themselves in that way.

I think Fed actually is the one who works like a horse, meaning his lives tennis. If Marat worked as much as Federer I trully believe he could have more than 4 slams that Fed has now.

Aykhan Mammadov
02-23-2005, 04:28 PM
Vlad, sorry I wanted to write "recently he lost to Kiefer" but I don't know why I wrote "to Ginepri". Misprint. But the meaning of this thread is not related with the certain player.

It was and it is IMHO very frequent that Marat may lost to some third-kind player suddenly and then win suddenly somebody very great. This is because his techniques is not perfect, he is not sure in his hits always.

fishuuuuu
02-23-2005, 04:34 PM
Can you play better than him!?

Aykhan Mammadov
02-23-2005, 05:10 PM
Can you play better than him!?


O-o-o - NO-NO-no... , fishuuuuu !!! Here everybody at forum playes much much worser than any PRO from first 1000 not talking about freat Safin. Do you recommend to close the forum in such a case?

Aykhan Mammadov
02-23-2005, 05:11 PM
Not freat - misprint - great.

Zverev
02-23-2005, 05:16 PM
what is this "stop boys, ha-a" thing?

Aykhan Mammadov
02-23-2005, 05:21 PM
Zverev, you must understand this better than me, you speak Russian probably.

Phil
02-23-2005, 05:28 PM
what is this "stop boys, ha-a" thing?

I think it's the Azeri equivalent to Sammy Davis Jr.'s (of "Rat Pack" fame) "Man, stop it, you're killing me!" And then he would slap his hands on his leg and do a faux laugh. That's my theory, at least.

STOP BOYS, HA-A!!!!

pound cat
02-23-2005, 05:31 PM
Safin's mind is as stable as it's ever going to be, so get used to his rollercoaster career. He knows who he is, does things his own way, has a terrificly exciting life, and plays a helluva game of tennis. Like him for what he is, or take an interest in some predictable but boring player.

joeman957
02-23-2005, 06:11 PM
Safin has major skills, it depends on how he's feeling at the moment though.

Zverev
02-23-2005, 07:07 PM
Recently one time Safin won in very hard match Federer at AO. ........Stop, boys, ha-a? ...... Stop ha ? ......he can't play good tennis. ....... Stop ha-a , boys. He can't play good tennis, .......
...........Stop ha , boys. Go first to understand what tennis is and then discuss............s.
obviously there is no love for Safin in Azerbaijan...
...still pathetic...and I suspect some bias here...
probably doesn't deserve to be answered...

bismark
02-23-2005, 07:37 PM
Stop ha-a, Aykhan, stop ha-a, are you from another, stop ha-a, planet? stop ha-a.

pacman
02-24-2005, 12:21 AM
Would you like to request Safin to stop playing tennis, then?

Come on, this is how the game is being played. Kiefer is not a bad guy at all, apparently he has some nice skills as well.
....

Enjoy the game, enjoy watching it, respect those who play day and night round the year just because of their passion for the sport.

bb47
02-24-2005, 04:00 AM
Well, there's one in every village...

SydW
02-24-2005, 04:18 AM
Safin's mind is as stable as it's ever going to be, so get used to his rollercoaster career. He knows who he is, does things his own way, has a terrificly exciting life, and plays a helluva game of tennis. Like him for what he is, or take an interest in some predictable but boring player.

I would much rather watch players who take their career seriously and strive to play to their potential when they can than players who talk about there's much more in life than tennis each time they lose.

Camilio Pascual
02-24-2005, 04:44 AM
I'm wondering that some tennis " specialists" here even have impudence to compare Safin with Fed !!! Stop ha , boys. Go first to understand what tennis is and then discuss.

I'll play. Check my post about most likely/worthy opponent to beat Federer. I picked Safin BEFORE he beat Federer and even advised people that Safin (along with Serena) was one of the 6 best bets at Oz. You can take those gratuitous ""s off when you are talking about 1/2 of the posters here who know tennis as well as I do and much better than you. You play too safe, Aykhan, backing the favourite is showing us more that you have a grasp for the obvious than anything else. D-u-u-u-u-de! Take a chance sometime and back an underdog, tell us something we might not all already know.
Federer used to lose against players who used footskills and movement a lot, such as counterpuncher Nalbandian and S&V man Henman. Roddick first showed how the way to beat Federer NOW is with power with an excellent 1st set performance he could not sustain. Safin is no fool, he and his coach knew he was a better and more solid candidate to play this type of sustained power game than Roddick against Federer and win. A lot of what Safin does seems foolish and self destructive and I'll agree it is fair to describe him as somewhat of a head case. I think he is the better player for it, just as I think of Ivo. Many people actually get motivated and perform better by creating crisis situations for themselves and act a little weird and hyper to get the job done. I really think Safin's game could be ruined if he read one of the psychological books on tennis that teaches you to be calm and in control of one's emotions. You know, the kind of books most of us should be heeding.

pound cat
02-24-2005, 08:25 AM
SydW. Then Federer's your man!

Lara
02-24-2005, 09:03 AM
A tennis tale.

One day, very high in the Olympus, Tennis god distributed talents among tennis-players.
When Andy Roddick came, Tennis god looked at him and said,
“Well! and where you, so robust, try to climb?”
Tennis god pondered it over and gave Roddick the biggest serve, and so that Roddick woudn’t get stuck-up over his strength, the god nicknamed him as Micky Mouse.
Lleyton Hewitt came then.
“What can I say, Lleyton”, Tennis god said, “though many like hell will pronounce your last name from the first, I won’t offence you either. You will be the fastest on the court, and since Andy had left his conceit here, and why the hell can I need it, you take it too…”
So Tennis god continued. One player got the best backhand, another one – the best forehand, a third one - the best net play, a forth one – the best baseline play…
Thus all the talents were given out and Tennis god was already about to relax and see some good tennis, as he noticed Roger Federer, so very quietly and very decently standing aside.
“What next!”, Tennis god exclaimed, you I forgot and I’ve got no more talents…” Here became Roger quite grievous. But as he was already on the point of leaving, Tennis god had pity and said,
“OK, that is what we’ll do – we’ll take some from every talent - that will be enough for your living…”
Tennis god did what he promised. Now let Roger have perhaps not the strongest but strong serve, not the highest but high speed, not the best but excellent net play…
Roger was pleased, because let someone serve more powerfully but Roger was faster; let someone run quicker – Roger could be more accurate. So became Roger the best tennis-player.
“At la-ast!”, Tennis god thought then, “time for tennis…”
But! Nothing of the sort! Here Olympus was literally broken into by Maratka [Safin].
“Where have you gad about?!”, Tennis god cried.
“Where have-where have… beer drank!”, was Marat’s wittily answer.
“So maybe you’re not so really eager for tennis, eh?”
“I really do not know myself - sometimes I am, sometimes I am not”, was Maratik’s answer.
“You know, since you’re such a wanter-not wanter, and as I’ve got no talents more, I will let you, whenever you want it really too badly, to change into ME!”
So Tennis god said and left finally for his well-deserved rest.
But what’s with Roger? - He felt vex. You know, one can be the best player of all times and peoples, but there is no way to win over Tennis god himself.

(translated from Russian, so sorry for mistakes)

joeman957
02-24-2005, 09:07 AM
I would much rather watch players who take their career seriously and strive to play to their potential when they can than players who talk about there's much more in life than tennis each time they lose.

Has Safin ever mentioned that there is way more in life than tennis? I don't think so... that would be a pretty lame thing to say after losing.

grif
02-24-2005, 01:49 PM
Safin's mind is as stable as it's ever going to be, so get used to his rollercoaster career. He knows who he is, does things his own way, has a terrificly exciting life, and plays a helluva game of tennis. Like him for what he is, or take an interest in some predictable but boring player.

Yeah, I don't think Safin's the 'obsessive' type of player that needs to win at all costs and willing to give 100% in each and every match. It's just not his mentality and that's fine. It's probably better to just appreciate Safin's game when his mood takes him and he's in full flow.

Aykhan Mammadov
02-24-2005, 02:14 PM
Lara, that God wasn't ours, Muslims, Christians and Jews. Because among so many talents he described Allah (=God) couldn't miss the important one - feeling of tennis = feeling of the ball. Allah is very wise, and he knows that feeling and undrestanding of tennis ( =ball) is much more important than your service, forehand and etc...

Aykhan Mammadov
02-24-2005, 02:25 PM
obviously there is no love for Safin in Azerbaijan...
...still pathetic...and I suspect some bias here...
probably doesn't deserve to be answered...


Zverev, first of all my opinion is mine, not of Azerbaijan.

In the second I like Safin when he plays good. In the last, be patient to criticism. Criticism is always good, if I hated him I wouldn't notice him.

Bertchel Banks
02-24-2005, 03:23 PM
Safin has major skills, it depends on how he's feeling at the moment though.

As illustrated in his H2H with Santoro. Safin has power, not skills.

Marat is Lindsay to Federer's Hingis, but while Lindsay has control of her power(skills), Marat does not. Davenport can whip the Big Hitters & the Artisans, Safin only excels against direct challenges...most of the time ungracefully.

I don't think tennis comes easily to Safin, unlike an Agassi or Federer, or Davenport, this in turn leads to his outbursts. Everyone tells him he's so good, and he actually believes he's better than he really is.

How often does he breeze through opponent after opponent en route to the glamour rounds of majors? I believe had Safin been half as talented as people give him credit for he would have done much better than he has. This is why he hasn't done any kind of dominating, he lacks the skill & savy to beat the lesser players and preserve his energy for the later rounds of tournaments. Sure he has the power to go toe-to-toe with anyone, but a strong and versatile player (Fed), in top form will beat him everytime.

Come on Santoro? Every player has one opponent that troubles them, but you don't lose seven out of eight meetings if you've got the world of talent.

I don't expect any kind of Agassi-esque late career resurgence from him because, quite simply, the talent isn't there.

Max G.
02-24-2005, 06:16 PM
As illustrated in his H2H with Santoro. Safin has power, not skills.


Power IS skill. It's a different type of skill than hitting a dropshot, but still skill.

Greg
02-25-2005, 07:03 AM
Ha-a?

Ha-Ha?

Ah-Ha?

A-Ha?

http://www.justentertainment.no/img/a-ha.jpg

I don't follow.

SydW
02-25-2005, 12:00 PM
Has Safin ever mentioned that there is way more in life than tennis? I don't think so... that would be a pretty lame thing to say after losing.

I wasn't specifically talking about Safin but yes he certainly has. Just so through some of his post match interview after his losses last year and you'll find plenty of lame reasons offered.

SydW
02-25-2005, 12:04 PM
SydW. Then Federer's your man!

Or Hewitt, Coria, Canas and at least dozen other players. That too I don't get the correlation of being serious in their career meaning they lead a boring life and are boring people.

Perfect
02-25-2005, 12:12 PM
I think Safin is getting his mind stablilized. Those who say that this guy just has raw power and no talent are blinding themselves from the truth. Marat is definitely not all power. His new coach has really helped him a lot with his mental game, Marat said before that he wanted a coach to help him with that part and that his "skill" game was already perfect, I agree. His most recent loss to Kiefer was a "good" one, it was not like his other matches where he knew he performed poorly. I still see Marat as a contender for the next GS title, and he may be getting a bit too old but he'll accomplish many more things before his career is over.

SydW
02-25-2005, 12:31 PM
Safin will always be a contender for GS if he has the right mindset. I for one don't understand why he whined about playing on grass so much, he has a perfect game on it.

Perfect
02-25-2005, 12:51 PM
Safin will always be a contender for GS if he has the right mindset. I for one don't understand why he whined about playing on grass so much, he has a perfect game on it.

Safin and the public both know he's got the game for grass, but so far hasn't gotten the results, I hope this year will be different at Wimbly.

grif
02-25-2005, 01:13 PM
Safin has power, not skills.

Hahaha :D
Boy, that is one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time. Most people, including fellow pros and respected authorities such as John Mcenroe and Wilander, think he's probably the most talented player outside of Federer. Time to get a clue.

Haka Boy
02-25-2005, 02:14 PM
Can I ask you Bertchel Banks what player are you really talking about who has no talent or skills.

It surely can't be the russian 'Marat Safin' as HE HAS power, talent and skills.

pound cat
02-25-2005, 03:30 PM
And Mats Wilander, who knows what he's talking about, says Safin has more talent than Federer. and he coached Safin.

Bertchel Banks
02-26-2005, 10:03 AM
Can I ask you Bertchel Banks what player are you really talking about who has no talent or skills.

The 6'4" Russian player who was reduced to tears by Anna Kournikova at the Spartak(sp) tennis club, after a thorough trashing, in Moscow circa 1990.

Bertchel Banks
02-26-2005, 10:06 AM
And Mats Wilander, who knows what he's talking about, says Safin has more talent than Federer. and he coached Safin.

Having seen both Safin and Federer play I can assure you Wilander doesn't know what he is talking about.

drexeler
02-26-2005, 12:33 PM
Wilander actually said that Safin was a more "complete" player in the sense that there is at least one noticeable weakness in Federer's game - his backhand return off a high serve. This surprised me because in all other comments, Wilander seemed to believe that Federer is the most talented player. He also said he hardly feels like watching any player other than Federer.

Bertchel, even I thought Safin was all power and a solid game with no apparent holes and not really an exceptional talent that everybody says he is, but I realized I was wrong after his performance in the final set and half against Hewitt. He showed touch, movement, reflexes, defense in addition to his normal game. He was Federer-like in that match. But like you said he has trouble blowing away opponents in early rounds like Sampras, Federer or even Roddick. Maybe his 80% game is not as good as theirs.

35ft6
02-26-2005, 01:35 PM
I still have their Aussie Open match on my Tivo, and Fed was playing like doodoo in that match. He was having an off day and still took Safin to five sets. That says something. People were talking like that was Safin's breakout match, his coming of age so to speak, but if that was truly him playing close to top level then I've got to say that the gap between Fed and Safin is greater than I'd previously thought.

I mean Fed was playing really bad. He was just missing random shots. Sure, you can argue that Fed was playing bad because Safin was so imposing on that day, but I don't buy it.

As for Safin's skills, yes, he is an incredibly gifted ball striker. In terms of range of skills he's not close to being in Fed's category (nobody is at this point...), but what he does he does better than quite possibly anybody ever has. Safin can hit with effortless, deceptive power to all points of the court. Roddick has a harder forehand, but his patterns are easily read, so clear edge to Safin. Agassi's backhand is more pin point, but Safin's is as nearly as accurate plus a whole lot more powerful. I mean, really, Safin is a freak but Federer is a SUPER freak. He's super freaky, yee-oh.

Really, Safin should have been dominating or damn near dominating since his US Open win, but now that Fed has tamed his insane talent... it's not looking so good for him. Not that he cares. I'm sure Safin is perfectly content with making some money, getting drunk, and banging hot Russian chicks.

Kaptain Karl
02-26-2005, 02:12 PM
I don't think tennis comes easily to Safin ... this in turn leads to his outbursts.I couldn’t disagree more. I see a *very* natural talent in Safin. (And that could be part of the problem.) That which comes easily to us is not ... appreciated ... as much as it is to those who really have to work to get to that same level. Everyone tells him he's so good, and he actually believes he's better than he really is.I disagree with your conclusion here, too. I don’t think he thinks too highly of himself.

Marat may be the “next Nastase.” We were always perplexed at Nasty’s inability (Or was it simply lack of desire and focus?) to play at the high level he was capable of playing for an entire major tournament. Unfortunately -- for him and for us -- I see a lot of Nasty in Marat....

- KK