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Noaler
01-02-2009, 09:51 AM
What would...let's say a ranked 7(fourteens) in Georgia ntpr is?

LeeD
01-02-2009, 10:41 AM
Depends on his size and his game.
MikeGee, # 1 in 14's around here 30 years ago, regularly lost in 3rd rounds, B tournaments, maybe 4.5 nowadaze.
PeterPearson, #1 14 maybe 35 years ago, regularly lost in mid rounds A tournaments, maybe 5.5 or 6 nowadaze.
Of course, Peter was 5'11" and 170lbs. Mike was maybe 5'5" and 115lbs.

Noaler
01-02-2009, 11:12 AM
heh, 30 years ago. I hear kids nowadays are going off the charts.

LeeD
01-02-2009, 11:19 AM
Yeah, "off the charts".
Like 16 year olds saying their 100 mph serves are fast enough.
30 years ago, today, no matter. if the player is strong, hits hard, is consistent, then a 16 year old can play 5.5 tournaments. He will usually lose before the finals against a crusty old codger whom he considers a "pusher".

Noaler
01-02-2009, 04:54 PM
What surprises me here is MikeGee who is only a 4.5 "nowadaze." So he was like a 3.5 or something when he was number 1 in fourteens. I can't believe that, or was he better as a kid?

LeeD
01-02-2009, 05:05 PM
"nowadaze" as in B level in those days closely approximates 4.5 nowadaze. He got to low level A by the time he was 17.
Peter on the other hand, by the time he was 19, peeked into the first round of a few pro tournaments, and I believe he actually got to 4th round in one.
By 22, he was back to local A, meaning around 6.0 nowadaze.
Michael was a friend of mine. His bro Mark was my doubles partner in some tournaments. Mark was #1 in the 18's, quite a bit better. Lefty and 5'11". And #1 for Annapolis.

Mick
01-02-2009, 05:09 PM
but 30 years ago, these people were playing with more demanding racquets than the ones that TW today recommends to 5.0+ players :)

LeeD
01-02-2009, 05:22 PM
But remember, 30 years ago, their opponents actually played with the SAME rackets they did.
I didn't get out of local B until I switched from HeadPros to Yonex greens. Note the YonexGreen aluminum was the racket used most often by pros for fast speed contests.
Regularly, much higher rated players would ask to borrow my racket for a weeks worth of hitting. Most stuck with what they used, and 30 years ago was the early switch away from the JackKramer woodie to graphite Heads, aluminums, T-2000, and that old weirdo, the ArthurAsh silver.
Colin beat all of us in service speed with a Maxply, 72 lbs VS gut, 4 and 5/8th grip. I know his string tension because he asked our head stringer to "make one up special" for just the fast serve contest.
Of course, he was a gangly 6'5"er who weighed maybe 180, at that time mid 20's in age. All torso and short legs, his upperbody and arms looked like they belonged to Wilt the stilt.