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Farz77
01-03-2009, 12:41 PM
I'm 17 and I live in quebec and would like to go to a d1 university...?

thanks, Franz H.

oneguy21
01-03-2009, 12:43 PM
Could you post a video?

m27
01-03-2009, 12:46 PM
if you're a legit 5-5.5 at 15 then you wouldnt be asking this.

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 12:47 PM
if you're a legit 5-5.5 at 15 then you wouldnt be asking this.

^^^^^^^

+1

Farz77
01-03-2009, 12:49 PM
It's not like I'm 6.0 or 6.5

m27
01-03-2009, 12:51 PM
It's not like I'm 6.0 or 6.5

sigh
if you're a legit 5.0-5.5, you should be able to beat down most 4.5's. how many 4.5 tournaments have you won?

Farz77
01-03-2009, 12:56 PM
Canada buddy

Farz77
01-03-2009, 12:58 PM
Look, I asked this question because I know play with people as good as me on a daily basis and I just wanted a straight answer. If a 5.0 15 year-old isn't common for you, you should start training in the great North

Kick_It
01-03-2009, 12:58 PM
Maybe. NTRP ratings are irrelevant though.

What a D1 college coach will care about is you consistently winning in age group or open tournaments against strong tennis players at the same age. I'd say if you consistently get to the semis against decent competition - you've got a good shot at it.

Good luck!

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 12:59 PM
I rated myself a 5.5 when i first started playing (im 15 too). And guess what, I'm just your average 3.5. A 5.5 at 15 years old is pro material.

Post a vid and prove us wrong, but im sticking with what I said. You may very well be a good player, but 5.5 is really up there

m27
01-03-2009, 12:59 PM
Canada buddy

where in Canada?

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:00 PM
Maybe. NTRP ratings are irrelevant though.

What a D1 college coach will care about is you consistently winning in age group or open tournaments against strong tennis players at the same age. I'd say if you consistently get to the semis against decent competition - you've got a good shot at it.

Good luck!

Thank you for a straight answer. Volia, an honest person, with an intelligent opinion to give.

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 01:03 PM
well if your really a 5.5 at 15 years old you'll go pro easily. That's absolutely amazing if that's what you really are. Go search TonLars thread, he a legit 5.5. You could take sets off of him then?

oneguy21
01-03-2009, 01:03 PM
Funny how anyone who claims to be higher than 4.5 always seems to get bashed on this forum. It would be great if you can post a video of yourself.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:03 PM
I rated myself a 5.5 when i first started playing (im 15 too). And guess what, I'm just your average 3.5. A 5.5 at 15 years old is pro material.

Post a vid and prove us wrong, but im sticking with what I said. You may very well be a good player, but 5.5 is really up there

No it's not actually. Pro material=world class player. Correct?
And world-class player is....
7.0
Look it up
http://www.usta.com/?sc_itemid={A9EAE203-D273-4CB1-9038-5A293C5ED642}

m27
01-03-2009, 01:04 PM
No it's not actually. Pro material=world class player. Correct?
And world-class player is....
7.0
Look it up
http://www.usta.com/?sc_itemid={A9EAE203-D273-4CB1-9038-5A293C5ED642}

incorrect.

where in Canada are you?

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:05 PM
Funny how anyone who claims to be higher than 4.5 always seems to get bashed on this forum. It would be great if you can post a video of yourself.

I wish I could but all I have are horrible quality clips taken on my barely 1mp. camera phone. I'm saving up for a Panasonic Recorder. Once I get it, I would be glad to post it.

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 01:05 PM
Funny how anyone who claims to be higher than 4.5 always seems to get bashed on this forum. It would be great if you can post a video of yourself.

No, not really. A 5.5 at 15 is amazing and just hard to believe that's all. A 4.5 is believable for a 16 year old, I've seen them. But its hard to imagine a 5.5 at 15 years old. These are the type of people that train at like Bolleteres (I spelled that way wrong, but you know what i mean) academy like 10 hrs a day to go pro

No it's not actually. Pro material=world class player. Correct?
And world-class player is....
7.0
Look it up
http://www.usta.com/?sc_itemid={A9EAE203-D273-4CB1-9038-5A293C5ED642}

I know the ratings buddy, no need to lecture me on them. I meant that your on the right track for pro (5.5 at 15 years old). That's what i meant by pro material. By the time your 18 you will be a 6.5-7.0 if your a 5.5 now

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:06 PM
incorrect.

where in Canada are you?

Does it make a difference?
And pros are world-class by the way. At least ones who are past futures and challengers at least.

m27
01-03-2009, 01:07 PM
Does it make a difference?
And pros are world-class by the way. At least ones who are past futures and challengers at least.

Yes it makes a difference. Will you answer the question?

Lotto
01-03-2009, 01:07 PM
I wish I could but all I have are horrible quality clips taken on my barely 1mp. camera phone. I'm saving up for a Panasonic Recorder. Once I get it, I would be glad to post it.


They wouldn't be a bad start....why don't you post them and we'll atleast get "some" idea.

oneguy21
01-03-2009, 01:08 PM
No it's not actually. Pro material=world class player. Correct?
And world-class player is....
7.0
Look it up
http://www.usta.com/?sc_itemid={A9EAE203-D273-4CB1-9038-5A293C5ED642}

When I self rated myself, I even thought I was 5.5, but my coach told me that I'm a 4.0. Did you self rate? If so, you probably overrated yourself.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:09 PM
No, not really. A 5.5 at 15 is amazing and just hard to believe that's all. A 4.5 is believable for a 16 year old, I've seen them. But its hard to imagine a 5.5 at 15 years old. These are the type of people that train at like Bolleteres (I spelled that way wrong, but you know what i mean) academy like 10 hrs a day to go pro



I know the ratings buddy, no need to lecture me on them. I meant that your on the right track for pro (5.5 at 15 years old). That's what i meant by pro material. By the time your 18 you will be a 6.5-7.0 if your a 5.5 now

So sorry I missunderstood you there. I actually meant to post that for M27 who seems to be jealous of everyone better than 1.5

oneguy21
01-03-2009, 01:10 PM
Post your horrible quality clips please!

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:10 PM
When I self rated myself, I even thought I was 5.5, but my coach told me that I'm a 4.0. Did you self rate? If so, you probably overrated yourself.

Both actually. I rated myself and I thought 5.5 and my coach said probably 5.0 so that's why I said 5.0 - 5.5. By the way, I'm turning 16 this year.

m27
01-03-2009, 01:11 PM
So sorry I missunderstood you there. I actually meant to post that for M27 who seems to be jealous of everyone better than 1.5

ok, we've established that I'm a terrible and jealous player because I said something you don't like.

where in Canada are you?

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 01:11 PM
When I self rated myself, I even thought I was 5.5, but my coach told me that I'm a 4.0. Did you self rate? If so, you probably overrated yourself.

LOL i remember you made a thread and said you were a 16 year old 5.5 player. I went and completely bashed you for that haha, but I think you got the point now. A 4.0 at 16 is very reasonable. Hopefully when I fix my groundies I'll be able to compete at that level as well. And yeah I think we all self rated ourselves 5.5's when we first saw the ratings. I did at least

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:12 PM
Post your horrible quality clips please!

My computer vista does not recognize my old crappy phone. If I get it to recognize it as a media player then I will be able to post it.

Kick_It
01-03-2009, 01:13 PM
One refinement to my earlier answer - you need to have winning tournament results against strong tennis players your age - or older.

Simply put - you need to have strong, objective results in strong tournaments against other potential players on those teams. Say the coach held tryouts for the team - how many people would you beat - including players who are already on scholarship?

Lotto
01-03-2009, 01:14 PM
Just post what clips you have as oneguy said. Nobody's gonna care if you don't live up to standards or if you've been running your mouth. When I first came to this forum I thought I was "pro material" and made ridiculous statements saying I was the next Federer.

To be honest, I couldn't care less if you're not as good as you say you are. I and everyone else on here wants to help you reach your potential, that's what it's about. I'm more worried about losing to Liverpool 4-2 on Football Manager :evil:

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:15 PM
LOL i remember you made a thread and said you were a 16 year old 5.5 player. I went and completely bashed you for that haha, but I think you got the point now. A 4.0 at 16 is very reasonable. Hopefully when I fix my groundies I'll be able to compete at that level as well. And yeah I think we all self rated ourselves 5.5's when we first saw the ratings. I did at least

But the rating system is kinda subjectice, don't you think. Like some guys have the most amazing game, nice groundies nice serve, but can't hit a volley to save their lives and then it's hard to say your high NTRP cuz one of the things needed is a net game. So yeah quite funny actually

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:16 PM
But the rating system is kinda subjectice, don't you think. Like some guys have the most amazing game, nice groundies nice serve, but can't hit a volley to save their lives and then it's hard to say your high NTRP cuz one of the things needed is a net game. So yeah quite funny actually

Subjective*

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 01:18 PM
this is a legit 5.5:http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=131731

you can beat this guy then and take sets off of him?

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:18 PM
Just post what clips you have as oneguy said. Nobody's gonna care if you don't live up to standards or if you've been running your mouth. When I first came to this forum I thought I was "pro material" and made ridiculous statements saying I was the next Federer.

To be honest, I couldn't care less if you're not as good as you say you are. I and everyone else on here wants to help you reach your potential, that's what it's about. I'm more worried about losing to Liverpool 4-2 on Football Manager :evil:

I agree 100% with what your saying. But I don't think I will be next Fed or anyone in that matter. My parents want me to go to uni for a couple years, so if miraculously i go pro, when I retire I can use my brain instead of just commentating like Mcrenoe does. No offense, Love you Johnny Mac.

m27
01-03-2009, 01:19 PM
so are you going to say what city you live in or not

Lotto
01-03-2009, 01:23 PM
I agree 100% with what your saying. But I don't think I will be next Fed or anyone in that matter. My parents want me to go to uni for a couple years, so if miraculously i go pro, when I retire I can use my brain instead of just commentating like Mcrenoe does. No offense, Love you Johnny Mac.


Yeah, I know, I learned the hard way. I'm embarassed by some of the things I first said when I joined. I was 15 when I joined, 16 now but it's amazing what a few months and an older girl can do to your maturity level. I'm talking about myself like. I did also think I was gonna manage Arsenal football club, and be the first Irish manager to win the champions league but then I decided nah. I'm a bit too ambitious for my own good. But seriously, yeah, your lucky, I sounded like an arrogant little twat when I posted my threads.

I'd say I'm really a 4.0 player. I'm not from the states so wouldn't know.

When you do get a camera or get the phone working though post some clips. It will be interesting.

And m27, why are you so obsessed with where he's from?? lol

Kick_It
01-03-2009, 01:24 PM
IMO asking/discussing "what NTRP level" on a web board is a huge waste of time.

Any decent college coach doesn't care about NTRP anyway. Objective results are what matters.

I wouldn't even think about Pros until you can consistently beat D1 college players, preferably strong ones.

m27
01-03-2009, 01:27 PM
So sorry I missunderstood you there. I actually meant to post that for M27 who seems to be jealous of everyone better than 1.5

Yeah, I know, I learned the hard way. I'm embarassed by some of the things I first said when I joined. I was 15 when I joined, 16 now but it's amazing what a few months and an older girl can do to your maturity level. I'm talking about myself like. I did also think I was gonna manage Arsenal football club, and be the first Irish manager to win the champions league but then I decided nah. I'm a bit too ambitious for my own good. But seriously, yeah, your lucky, I sounded like an arrogant little twat when I posted my threads.

I'd say I'm really a 4.0 player. I'm not from the states so wouldn't know.

When you do get a camera or get the phone working though post some clips. It will be interesting.

And m27, why are you so obsessed with where he's from?? lol

because I'm from Canada as well, and I'm always looking for other open-level players to hit with. :)

BestLefty UK
01-03-2009, 01:27 PM
One thing I've noticed since I joined the board was that all the "15 year old 5.5"'s always have a convenient excuse when people ask for a video of theirs

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 01:29 PM
One thing I've noticed since I joined the board was that all the "15 year old 5.5"'s always have a convenient excuse when people ask for a video of theirs

Haha yeah I know right? Not me though, I'm a legit 5.5 15 year old as you can see from my vids:) All 15 year olds on this board are 5.5s, so just suck it up and deal with it. I don't know what to say, we're just that good

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:33 PM
because I'm from Canada as well, and I'm always looking for other open-level players to hit with. :)

so where are you from and what's your NTRP?

BestLefty UK
01-03-2009, 01:34 PM
LOL I know and people are always so sure they're a 5.5

m27
01-03-2009, 01:34 PM
so where are you from and what's your NTRP?

I'm about a 5.0 in Vancouver (although I do take the odd set off of 5.5's). Your turn. My guess is that my faster forehands are faster than your first serve. :) Prove me wrong.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:36 PM
Haha yeah I know right? Not me though, I'm a legit 5.5 15 year old as you can see from my vids:) All 15 year olds on this board are 5.5s, so just suck it up and deal with it. I don't know what to say, we're just that good

You're one more post to 500. lol
But what thread do you have those vids posted. I can compare my self to you if you want...?
As for that other legit 5.5, weird technique but his balls seem to have good speed and topspin, but hits to close on backhand and has unfluid motions on both sides. But then again technique is not NTRP

m27
01-03-2009, 01:38 PM
Farz, I really hope you're in Vancouver so we can have a hit.

And please post those videos, we dont care that they are "low quality".

Lotto
01-03-2009, 01:41 PM
LOL I know and people are always so sure they're a 5.5

Never mind 5.5, I thought I had Roger Federer's talent lol. The curse of the 15 year old. lol.

Any luck with the camera phone Farz?

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:42 PM
Farz, I really hope you're in Vancouver so we can have a hit.

And please post those videos, we dont care that they are "low quality".

I already said that my computer doesn't recognize the phone.
And secondly I love snow so no Vancouver is not where I live.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:44 PM
Never mind 5.5, I thought I had Roger Federer's talent lol. The curse of the 15 year old. lol.

Any luck with the camera phone Farz?

Well Fed wasn't amazing at 15. he started going to an academy at 14 ans switched to a 1hander soon after. But he sky-rocketed once he matured, 16,17,18...

EikelBeiter
01-03-2009, 01:47 PM
If you're 5.5 you should be about as good as i am i suppose. I must say i have never lost to a 15 year old. Lost to a 16 year old though. So if you are 5.5 now you should easily be able to get a scholarship for d1. Pro? Didn't some guy Ryan Harrisson or something get an atp point last year? i believe he was 15 as well. So pro is a different story. I know a few guys who are fulltimers, not one of them seems to really make it. But i wish you good luck !

m27
01-03-2009, 01:49 PM
I already said that my computer doesn't recognize the phone.
And secondly I love snow so no Vancouver is not where I live.

It's been snowing almost non-stop in Vancouver for the last 3 weeks. We're up to about 2.5 feet. It's snowing right now. Anyway, it's too bad we won't get to hit.

How fast is your 1st serve? 2nd serve? (measured by a radar, of course)
How fast are your faster forehands (when you get set up decently well)?
Backhands?

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:52 PM
It's been snowing almost non-stop in Vancouver for the last 3 weeks. We're up to about 2.5 feet. It's snowing right now. Anyway, it's too bad we won't get to hit.

How fast is your 1st serve? 2nd serve? (measured by a radar, of course)
How fast are your faster forehands (when you get set up decently well)?
Backhands?

Well when I got radared, it was at the Rogers Cup, and everyone was only allowed to hit 2 serves. first was 179km/h. Second one was 183km/h.
As for setting up for groundies, no idea but if I'm inside the baseline and I have time to set up, it's always a winner, unless I hit wide. And I've been told that I am amazing at wrong-footing people.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:53 PM
Well when I got radared, it was at the Rogers Cup, and everyone was only allowed to hit 2 serves. first was 179km/h. Second one was 183km/h.
As for setting up for groundies, no idea but if I'm inside the baseline and I have time to set up, it's always a winner, unless I hit wide. And I've been told that I am amazing at wrong-footing people.

And those serves were quite a while ago

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:55 PM
Haha yeah I know right? Not me though, I'm a legit 5.5 15 year old as you can see from my vids:) All 15 year olds on this board are 5.5s, so just suck it up and deal with it. I don't know what to say, we're just that good

If you're 5.5 I must be higher. My serves go way faster than yours, and they actually go in. Also your groundies are all arm. Forehand, average technique. But backhand is just terrible man. I'm sorry dude. So if everyone wants to see me play. Look at Ballinbob's video, and imagine me an entire NTRP better. Either I'm over 6.0 if he's 5.5 or he's actually 4.0

BestLefty UK
01-03-2009, 01:56 PM
So you serve about 110-113+ and your 15. You gotta be like at least 6"0 or you the biggest BSer ever

Lotto
01-03-2009, 01:56 PM
And those serves were quite a while ago


3-4 months??

BestLefty UK
01-03-2009, 01:56 PM
Ballinbob was joking! He's doing an impression of you!

Farz77
01-03-2009, 01:57 PM
So you serve about 110-113+ and your 15. You gotta be like at least 6"0 or you the biggest BSer ever

Actually I am 6''0!!! About 183 cm actually

m27
01-03-2009, 01:58 PM
If you're 5.5 I must be higher. My serves go way faster than yours, and they actually go in. Also your groundies are all arm. Forehand, average technique. But backhand is just terrible man. I'm sorry dude. So if everyone wants to see me play. Look at Ballinbob's video, and imagine me an entire NTRP better. Either I'm over 6.0 if he's 5.5 or he's actually 4.0

He's about a 3.0-3.5, so you're probably about a 4.0.

m27
01-03-2009, 01:59 PM
3-4 months??

To be fair, you can improve your serve a LOT in 3-4 months.

oneguy21
01-03-2009, 02:00 PM
can you rally 50 balls+?

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:02 PM
To be fair, you can improve your serve a LOT in 3-4 months.

True, didn't improve a lot. But still improved

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 02:03 PM
If you're 5.5 I must be higher. My serves go way faster than yours, and they actually go in. Also your groundies are all arm. Forehand, average technique. But backhand is just terrible man. I'm sorry dude. So if everyone wants to see me play. Look at Ballinbob's video, and imagine me an entire NTRP better. Either I'm over 6.0 if he's 5.5 or he's actually 4.0

I'm 15 and am a 5.5 player. I don't see why that's so hard to believe. I usually serve 130mph an hour, the vids I put were in slo-mo. And my strokes only appear all arm because my trunk rotation is so fast you can't even see it. I'll make it pro no problem, so if you want to end up like me just copy what I'm doing. My backhand in particular is a weapon, I learned it from Fernando Gonzalez himself. I don't know if you've seen his backhand, but its craaaazzzzy good.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:04 PM
can you rally 50 balls+?

Rally meaning my partner bring able to consistently hit the ball to me with topspin and deep enough to bounce once before getting to me?
If so, yes quite easily.
But if you were to say intense point, impossible since either me or my opponent would finish off the point in one way or another.

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 02:04 PM
He's about a 3.0-3.5, so you're probably about a 4.0.

Wrong, im a 5.5, nice try though

oneguy21
01-03-2009, 02:06 PM
Wrong, im a 5.5, nice try though

Your joking right or are you just high?

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:06 PM
I'm 15 and am a 5.5 player. I don't see why that's so hard to believe. I usually serve 130mph an hour, the vids I put were in slo-mo. And my strokes only appear all arm because my trunk rotation is so fast you can't even see it. I'll make it pro no problem, so if you want to end up like me just copy what I'm doing. My backhand in particular is a weapon, I learned it from Fernando Gonzalez himself. I don't know if you've seen his backhand, but its craaaazzzzy good.

Either you're ridiculous joker, or you're the biggest over-estimator of your ability!

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:07 PM
Your joking right or are you just high?

My thoughts exactly OneGuy

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:08 PM
I'm 15 and am a 5.5 player. I don't see why that's so hard to believe. I usually serve 130mph an hour, the vids I put were in slo-mo. And my strokes only appear all arm because my trunk rotation is so fast you can't even see it. I'll make it pro no problem, so if you want to end up like me just copy what I'm doing. My backhand in particular is a weapon, I learned it from Fernando Gonzalez himself. I don't know if you've seen his backhand, but its craaaazzzzy good.

Did you read this oneguy21 ?

gastro54
01-03-2009, 02:09 PM
Wow you're thick. He's joking, idiots.

Lotto
01-03-2009, 02:11 PM
Could you guys not sense his sarcasm? lol

BestLefty UK
01-03-2009, 02:12 PM
Either you're ridiculous joker, or you're the biggest over-estimator of your ability!

You're one to talk

bpp
01-03-2009, 02:13 PM
Here are some 5.5+ players in the 16-under age group. If you can beat them, then maybe you have a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55wNJrKpJ8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLe-3Ov0n8M&feature=related

oneguy21
01-03-2009, 02:17 PM
Rally meaning my partner bring able to consistently hit the ball to me with topspin and deep enough to bounce once before getting to me?
If so, yes quite easily.
But if you were to say intense point, impossible since either me or my opponent would finish off the point in one way or another.

If you could rally like that with deep topspin balls, then you could be a legit 5.5. Of course I didn't mean during a point -that kind of doesn't happen.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:21 PM
Here are some 5.5+ players in the 16-under age group. If you can beat them, then maybe you have a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55wNJrKpJ8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLe-3Ov0n8M&feature=related

They are very good, humongous backswings on both players, but if that's what works for them, all the power.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:23 PM
Wow you're thick. He's joking, idiots.

Well obviously he's joking, I`m not incompetent. It's just that this is a place where people should come to help others reach their fullest potentiel not joke around.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:24 PM
If you could rally like that with deep topspin balls, then you could be a legit 5.5. Of course I didn't mean during a point -that kind of doesn't happen.

Well yeah! LOL!

BestLefty UK
01-03-2009, 02:26 PM
Here are some 5.5+ players in the 16-under age group. If you can beat them, then maybe you have a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55wNJrKpJ8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLe-3Ov0n8M&feature=related

The dude in the 2nd video has some seriously good footwork

EikelBeiter
01-03-2009, 02:26 PM
Here are some 5.5+ players in the 16-under age group. If you can beat them, then maybe you have a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55wNJrKpJ8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLe-3Ov0n8M&feature=related

He shouldn't be able to beat them in order to get a scholarship. Or are we only talking going pro now?

gastro54
01-03-2009, 02:26 PM
Well obviously he's joking, I`m not incompetent. It's just that this is a place where people should come to help others reach their fullest potentiel not joke around.
If it was so obvious to you, you wouldn't have made three posts about it. Sounds like incompetence to me.

Ballinbob
01-03-2009, 02:28 PM
Farz77.... wow......

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:30 PM
He shouldn't be able to beat them in order to get a scholarship. Or are we only talking going pro now?

Well either/or really. Since my parents want me to go to university I guess D1 is my 1st priority and if I really improve like Blake did when he went to Harvard, maybe, possibly, hopefully go pro.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:30 PM
The dude in the 2nd video has some seriously good footwork

hell ya!!!!

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:33 PM
Farz77.... wow......

I couldn't believe you were BS like that. Nobody is here to read posts filled with BS. Not the fact that you thought you were that good. Clearly, you know you need to improve. That's not what I meant by my posts, I simply meant that we don't useless comments like that.

shell
01-03-2009, 02:35 PM
I'm 15, imbetween 5.0 and 5.5. About 2 hours of working out a week plus average 13 hours a week tennis. Chances of getting a scholarship into D1 uni OR going pro at 18 OR going pro after some years @ uni like Blake did.
Your thoughts?

Hate to spoil the rating bashing here, but I think something is being overlooked.

Any 15 yo that is serious about DI scholarship or going pro would already know they were able to do that. They would know because they would have been playing competitive tournament tennis for the past 5 - 6 years and would have a very good gauge of where they stood against 17 - 18 yos that were off to the DI circus.

Pros - no, if you don't know it now and are not already playing fairly high level national tournamanets or international junior tennis, then you will not be a pro.

Sorry to spoil the party.

Farz77
01-03-2009, 02:37 PM
Hate to spoil the rating bashing here, but I think something is being overlooked.

Any 15 yo that is serious about DI scholarship or going pro would already know they were able to do that. They would know because they would have been playing competitive tournament tennis for the past 5 - 6 years and would have a very good gauge of where they stood against 17 - 18 yos that were off to the DI circus.

Pros - no, if you don't know it now and are not already playing fairly high level national tournamanets or international junior tennis, then you will not be a pro.

Sorry to spoil the party.

I only play U16

Lotto
01-03-2009, 02:47 PM
I only play U16


And?............Results? How many national titles have you won, if any? Ranking, etc.?

Frankauc
01-03-2009, 03:23 PM
are you in quebec canada (like me)

TonLars
01-03-2009, 04:38 PM
As for that other legit 5.5, weird technique but his balls seem to have good speed and topspin, but hits to close on backhand and has unfluid motions on both sides. But then again technique is not NTRP

lol, lets see your videos/results :)

PopWar
01-03-2009, 04:49 PM
No your attitude will get in the way of your tennis career

LeeD
01-03-2009, 04:58 PM
Wait a minute here....
Self rating or coach rating means absolutely NOTHING !!
You rating depends on your ability to play tournaments.
The best hitter who never played tournaments cannot claim 5.0, or even 4.5.
I didn't get my C rating until I made the finals of the SF Open tournament C class. Then one my next C tournament.
Now I'm a solid C player (maybe 3.5).
Then after a season of 9 tournaments around the SFBayArea, most B's, and getting semis on the last 3, I was finally rated B player.
Next season, my 2nd playing OPEN class, and playing at least 10 B tournaments, always going at least 4 rounds (OK, I lost first round to RichWilliams at Concord, but he should be A easily), I was STILL a B player, maybe 4.5 or 5.0.
Now remember, I beat the #1's at several junior colleges in tournaments, but that doesn't give me any more than a B rating.
And going 4 rounds plus in Qualifier for TransAmerica PRO tournament STILL makes me just a B player....one with potential maybe, but still B.
Where do you guys get off rating yourself B or 4.5-5 and never playing a tournament?

Mike Cottrill
01-03-2009, 06:46 PM
Here are some 5.5+ players in the 16-under age group. If you can beat them, then maybe you have a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55wNJrKpJ8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLe-3Ov0n8M&feature=related
Frank Salazar of video FYB fame. Frank being that close feeding balls might want to make sure one of those kids does not get mad at him and give him a FYB sandwich

No it's not actually. Pro material=world class player. Correct?
And world-class player is....
7.0
Look it up
http://www.usta.com/?sc_itemid={A9EAE203-D273-4CB1-9038-5A293C5ED642}

Humm, I think “world class player” == ~100 world ranking.

If you have enough bucks and contacts, a 4.0 could get an ATP point at some out of the place challenger event by buying in a wild card.

A coach looking at you and saying ~5.0 is strange. Having a coach looking at a student and giving a rating is usually for 4.0 and under. If you are 5.0-5.5 playing 16’s, you should be at the high end of the rankings.

OhDear
01-03-2009, 08:11 PM
The fact of the matter is, if you really are a 5.0/5.5, you'd have the tournament experience backing it up to prove it, and therefore wouldn't be posting questions on forums.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 08:27 AM
The fact of the matter is, if you really are a 5.0/5.5, you'd have the tournament experience backing it up to prove it, and therefore wouldn't be posting questions on forums.

I know tons of better players than me. I am probably 5.0, that's what my coach said, and by the way from november to december I won 2 tournaments. But I know of a lot of 5.5 players. I am probably not one of them but still 5.0 is still not too shabby...

Farz77
01-04-2009, 08:29 AM
[QUOTEIf you have enough bucks and contacts, a 4.0 could get an ATP point at some out of the place challenger event by buying in a wild card.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]QUOTE]

How much for a random guy to buy a wild card into a challenger, futures ATP touney?

Mike Cottrill
01-04-2009, 09:08 AM
[QUOTEIf you have enough bucks and contacts, a 4.0 could get an ATP point at some out of the place challenger event by buying in a wild card.[/size][/font][/color]QUOTE]

How much for a random guy to buy a wild card into a challenger, futures ATP touney?

That would be up to the tournament director. Come with cash, incentives and enough sponsorship money and see what it takes to get a wild card.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 09:14 AM
That would be up to the tournament director. Come with cash, incentives and enough sponsorship money and see what it takes to get a wild card.

Do you know on average?

Mada
01-04-2009, 09:25 AM
They are very good, humongous backswings on both players, but if that's what works for them, all the power.

You completely ignored the question.

Lotto
01-04-2009, 09:30 AM
You completely ignored the question.

That's what I was thinking. They are fairly good though. Would be hard to beat them.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 09:32 AM
You completely ignored the question.

What question?

Farz77
01-04-2009, 09:33 AM
That's what I was thinking. They are fairly good though. Would be hard to beat them.

Very true. It would definetley be an intense competitive match.

Lotto
01-04-2009, 09:36 AM
Very true. It would definetley be an intense competitive match.


Between you and them? They're probably looking to go pro...so, here's the million dollar question, could you beat them? Or even stay on the same court as them??

Farz77
01-04-2009, 09:43 AM
Between you and them? They're probably looking to go pro...so, here's the million dollar question, could you beat them? Or even stay on the same court as them??

I would say I could give them a run for their money. I obviously don't have the $$$ to get the same kind of training and coaches. And remember, they probably don't even go to school. I want to go to university, and perhaps, if I get to play D1 then I could think about going pro.

BestLefty UK
01-04-2009, 09:46 AM
Farz77, do you really believe that you would have an intense match with them? They're world ranked players and some of the brighest prospects in the world. Both are ranked #2 (in their age groups) nationally and are Blue chips.

Lotto
01-04-2009, 09:49 AM
Farz77, do you really believe that you would have an intense match with them? They're world ranked players and some of the brighest prospects in the world. Both are ranked #2 (in their age groups) nationally and are Blue chips.


What's a blue chip?

Farz77
01-04-2009, 09:50 AM
Farz77, do you really believe that you would have an intense match with them? They're world ranked players and some of the brighest prospects in the world. Both are ranked #2 (in their age groups) nationally and are Blue chips.

If I play my best... Guys I'm not saying I'm better than them or even as good as them. But I don't think they would blow me off the court. Look I got a big serve, so I can take advantage of a point if I place it well easily. They're gonna block the serve back and I'll have plenty of time to rip it. The reason why I'd doubt myself is that in tourneys, my 1st serve fails on me sometimes, but my kick helps quite a bit. As for them serving, no idea. I'm not saying it will be 7-6 (10-8) 7-6 (11-9) but I can easily get a couple games off of them if I serve and return well. And also keep the balls deep.

NamRanger
01-04-2009, 09:56 AM
If I play my best... Guys I'm not saying I'm better than them or even as good as them. But I don't think they would blow me off the court. Look I got a big serve, so I can take advantage of a point if I place it well easily. They're gonna block the serve back and I'll have plenty of time to rip it. The reason why I'd doubt myself is that in tourneys, my 1st serve fails on me sometimes, but my kick helps quite a bit. As for them serving, no idea. I'm not saying it will be 7-6 (10-8) 7-6 (11-9) but I can easily get a couple games off of them if I serve and return well. And also keep the balls deep.


You are far too overconfident. Most top level high school juniors (i.e. Blue Chips) would double bagel the majority of this board, with the exception of the likes of WBF, TonLars, and a few others. Even then, I highly doubt it would be a close match. When we are talking about Blue Chips, we are talking about the likes of Alex Clayton.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 09:59 AM
You are far too overconfident. Most top level high school juniors (i.e. Blue Chips) would double bagel the majority of this board, with the exception of the likes of WBF, TonLars, and a few others. Even then, I highly doubt it would be a close match. When we are talking about Blue Chips, we are talking about the likes of Alex Clayton.

Someone asked if I could not be blown off the court. And I said, I could not be broken if I serve exceptionally well. Obviously they can beat me, no doubt about it, I just wanted to answer the question.

Alex Clayton is 6 years older than me

RoddickAce
01-04-2009, 10:06 AM
Well when I got radared, it was at the Rogers Cup, and everyone was only allowed to hit 2 serves. first was 179km/h. Second one was 183km/h.
As for setting up for groundies, no idea but if I'm inside the baseline and I have time to set up, it's always a winner, unless I hit wide. And I've been told that I am amazing at wrong-footing people.

Hey, Roger's cup...do you live in Toronto or Montreal? I live in Toronto, maybe we could play sometime:). Since you're a 5.5, I can up my game playing against a better player.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 10:08 AM
Hey, Roger's cup...do you live in Toronto or Montreal? I live in Toronto, maybe we could play sometime:). Since you're a 5.5, I can up my game playing against a better player.

What level are you? How old are you? Where do you play?

Lotto
01-04-2009, 10:11 AM
You are far too overconfident. Most top level high school juniors (i.e. Blue Chips) would double bagel the majority of this board, with the exception of the likes of WBF, TonLars, and a few others. Even then, I highly doubt it would be a close match. When we are talking about Blue Chips, we are talking about the likes of Alex Clayton.

Who's WBF and what's a blue chip??! :confused:

NamRanger
01-04-2009, 10:13 AM
Someone asked if I could not be blown off the court. And I said, I could not be broken if I serve exceptionally well. Obviously they can beat me, no doubt about it, I just wanted to answer the question.

Alex Clayton is 6 years older than me


You would get double bageled by a blue chip. Even by your vastly overrated NTRP, you would get double bageled.


I used Alex Clayton as an example as he was a blue chip.


Blue Chip recruits are the cream of the crop; meaning they are 6.0s and will be starting for a top 15 D1 school, or they will start very soon. You would still get creamed easily. A 5.0 or 5.5 stands 0% chance against a Blue Chip player.

BestLefty UK
01-04-2009, 10:13 AM
Here's my theory; The reason Farz77 is so confident is because the people around him have hyped him up to the point of arrogance, they tell him he's amazing at this and that... that he's a 5.0.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 10:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55wNJrKpJ8&feature=related
Salazar's kid isn't even ranked. Junior Ore is but not Dennis Kudla.

NamRanger
01-04-2009, 10:14 AM
Who's WBF and what's a blue chip??! :confused:


College Recruiting Rankings go like this :

Blue Chip
5 Star
4 Star
3 Star
2 Star
1 Star


Blue Chips are the cream of the crop, meaning a top 20 recruit or so easily. We're talking about guys like Jordan Rux, Alex Clayton, Kevin Kim, the Bryan Brothers, James Blake, etc.



WBF is a 5.0/5.5 player (I don't remember exactly, he's somewhere in that range).


"Blue chip" players have proven themselves to be amongst the best at their respective positions in their sports and are more sought after than other players. They are typically perceived as "can't miss" prospects who are desired by most organizations. Blue chip athletes are likely to have an immediate impact on teams that acquire them and have proven skills rather than speculative or untapped potential.


Definition of a Blue Chip Recruit.


Example of a Blue Chip Recruit :

http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=161742

Chase Buchanan, committed to Ohio State, ranked 1 in the nation. Overall record, 30-8. Has a record of 14-2 against Blue Chip recruits.

Reached the Quarters of the Orange Bowl, Quarters of U.S. Open JR. Tennis Championship, and Consolation Final of Kalamazoo, the USTA National Championships.



Here's another Blue Chip recruit : Devin Britton

http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/player/activity.asp?id=160102

Round of 16 Orange Bowl, Finals of US Open Jr Tennis Championship, etc.





In short, even if you were a 5.0/5.5, you wouldn't stand a prayer of even taking a game. A Blue Chip recruit is a vastly superior player to pretty much everyone on these boards. Vastly. Unless of course, you are at a top level D1 school or better.

Lotto
01-04-2009, 10:16 AM
I'll tell ya one thing, if ya played aswell as you talked you'd be world no.1.

oneguy21
01-04-2009, 10:17 AM
Is the quality of your strokes cloes to this guy's?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRfKP2T1nSc

BestLefty UK
01-04-2009, 10:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F55wNJrKpJ8&feature=related
Salazar's kid isn't even ranked. Junior Ore is but not Dennis Kudla.

Errmmm yes Denis Kudla is ranked actually. Look it up on Tennis recruiting

RoddickAce
01-04-2009, 10:22 AM
What level are you? How old are you? Where do you play?

I play in leagues and have played in some high school tourneys and some u18 (results = horrible, so let's not go there). Then I hurt my knee, and poof, after being sidelined for 1.5-2 years, I'm no longer U18, and I'm now 18, and looking to get back in the game. I have no idea what my rating is, although I'm pretty sure I'm a pretty bad player. I play in places like mayfair and l'amoreaux tennis centre, (sometimes in waterloo, kitchener). I can't really find good players around here, or at least good players that have time to play in clubs against lesser players. Just a heads up, I'm not a good player, I'm just looking to improve my game, and since you're probably a lot better, you might find it boring playing against me.

Lotto
01-04-2009, 10:26 AM
Any look with a video yet? Surely you even have a digital camera that takes vids, no?

Okazaki Fragment
01-04-2009, 10:47 AM
I'm 15 and am a 5.5 player. I don't see why that's so hard to believe. I usually serve 130mph an hour, the vids I put were in slo-mo. And my strokes only appear all arm because my trunk rotation is so fast you can't even see it. I'll make it pro no problem, so if you want to end up like me just copy what I'm doing. My backhand in particular is a weapon, I learned it from Fernando Gonzalez himself. I don't know if you've seen his backhand, but its craaaazzzzy good.

This was quite good. I enjoyed this post immensely.

Okazaki Fragment
01-04-2009, 10:50 AM
If you have enough bucks and contacts, a 4.0 could get an ATP point at some out of the place challenger event by buying in a wild card.



Don't you have to win a match to get an ATP point?

BestLefty UK
01-04-2009, 10:51 AM
You could pay off your opponent

Okazaki Fragment
01-04-2009, 11:02 AM
You could pay off your opponent

Now that would be epic. But I would probably still manage to lose.

RestockingTues
01-04-2009, 11:08 AM
Well obviously he's joking, I`m not incompetent. It's just that this is a place where people should come to help others reach their fullest potentiel not joke around.

You are quite mistaken, you obviously haven't seen my posts yet :)

EDIT: Y'know... When I was a 2.0 I thought about going pro :roll:

Ballinbob
01-04-2009, 11:14 AM
He still doesn't believe I'm a 5.5 at 15. I just don't see whats so hard to believe here. If I didn't play my serves in slo-mo you wouldnt be able to see them, same with my trunk rotation.

Some people dont get it....

Farz77
01-04-2009, 11:25 AM
He still doesn't believe I'm a 5.5 at 15. I just don't see whats so hard to believe here. If I didn't play my serves in slo-mo you wouldnt be able to see them, same with my trunk rotation.

Some people dont get it....

What do you get from joking around like that. Sure the first couple of times, it was funny with the Gonzalez thing. But now, c'mon, move on. Just get some decent technique on your backhand and your rating will go up. Focus on your tennis not fooling around.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 11:28 AM
Is the quality of your strokes cloes to this guy's?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRfKP2T1nSc

DEFINETLY!!!
More natural forehand for sure and i have 1hander so yeah...

BestLefty UK
01-04-2009, 11:29 AM
I don't think he's gonna listen to/take advice from a 15 y.o that confidently claims he's a 5.5/5.0 standard and could easily take games off Blue chip players yet doesn't know his chances of D1 uni let alone pro.

EDIT:
DEFINETLY!!!
More natural forehand for sure and i have 1hander so yeah...

I'm sorry but I'm not gonna believe it till I see a vid

Farz77
01-04-2009, 11:30 AM
This was quite good. I enjoyed this post immensely.

I enjoyed it a lot as well. Quite funny. But get's annoying after a while. He's posted like 10 like those.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 11:32 AM
I don't think he's gonna listen to/take advice from a 15 y.o that confidently claims he's a 5.5/5.0 standard and could easily take games off Blue chip players yet doesn't know his chances of D1 uni let alone pro.

Okay! I just made this thread to have your opinions. I wanted second opinions who have received such questions very often. I have no idea how I'll do against blue chip whatever. All I care about is improving the most possible in the next 3 years before UNI. THat's it!

RestockingTues
01-04-2009, 11:33 AM
Is the quality of your strokes cloes to this guy's?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRfKP2T1nSc

LMAO "Roger Federer in Me" was in the related videos :lol:

Farz77
01-04-2009, 11:34 AM
I don't think he's gonna listen to/take advice from a 15 y.o that confidently claims he's a 5.5/5.0 standard and could easily take games off Blue chip players yet doesn't know his chances of D1 uni let alone pro.

EDIT:


I'm sorry but I'm not gonna believe it till I see a vid

It doesn't matter to me what you believe. I know what strenghts I have and I'm well aware of my weaknesses and what I can improve on.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 11:36 AM
LMAO "Roger Federer in Me" was in the related videos :lol:

LMFAO! Strokes don't look anything like Fed's! But he definetly does !!!!

BullDogTennis
01-04-2009, 11:56 AM
hes saying if your a 5.5 at 15, you'll easily be able to make 7.0...do i believe your a 5.5 at 15? probably not. do all your friends consider themselves 5.5's too? do you EVER lose? are you a tournament player? can you show a proof of results at a high level?

EikelBeiter
01-04-2009, 12:05 PM
Is the quality of your strokes cloes to this guy's?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRfKP2T1nSc

DEFINETLY!!!
More natural forehand for sure and i have 1hander so yeah...

I recently learned that that guy is a world class player. So i very much doubt that at 15 your strokes are like his......... :shock:

Farz77
01-04-2009, 12:06 PM
hes saying if your a 5.5 at 15, you'll easily be able to make 7.0...do i believe your a 5.5 at 15? probably not. do all your friends consider themselves 5.5's too? do you EVER lose? are you a tournament player? can you show a proof of results at a high level?

I already answered the same question. I'm not exacly sure what NTRP i am but just in the past month I have won 2 provincial tournaments.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 12:08 PM
I recently learned that that guy is a world class player. So i very much doubt that at 15 your strokes are like his......... :shock:

I don't know who would hit better between us two. But I definetly have more natural motion than he does and better technique

BestLefty UK
01-04-2009, 12:09 PM
DEFINETLY!!!
More natural forehand for sure and i have 1hander so yeah...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ryderstedt look him up... you've just compared your 15 y.o supposed 5.0 strokes with a Challenger-winning Professional.

I don't know who would hit better between us two. But I definetly have more natural motion than he does and better technique

You have better technique and motion than a pro? Ok then I went to the zoo yesterday, now I'm a kuala (sampled from friends)

EikelBeiter
01-04-2009, 12:11 PM
I don't know who would hit better between us two. But I definetly have more natural motion than he does and better technique

Well considering he is number 374 in the world i'm going to call out and say that he is the better hitter.....

Farz77
01-04-2009, 12:12 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ryderstedt look him up... you've just compared your 15 y.o supposed strokes with a Challenger winning Professional

So...Just because my stroke technique is more sound, doesn't mean I can beat him. He probably hits a lot harder, is more fit and def. has a bigger serve.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 12:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ryderstedt look him up... you've just compared your 15 y.o supposed 5.0 strokes with a Challenger-winning Professional.



You have better technique and motion than a pro? Ok then I went to the zoo yesterday, now I'm a kuala (sampled from friends)

JUst because I have a more natural motion than a pro, doesn't mean I can beat him.

Ballinbob
01-04-2009, 12:15 PM
I don't know who would hit better between us two. But I definetly have more natural motion than he does and better technique

Sorry, no. A guy whos been ranked 130 vs a 15 year old, and you think your technique is better and a natural motion.

Here's what you should say: I would get destroyed by this guy because he is a world class player. I have no idea about NTRP ratings and don't know how to analyze myself play. I self rated myself and it seems I'm a 5.5. Dude, you honestly wouldn't be asking this if you say your as good as you are! You really would not! You wouldn't be asking for advice let alone be on this section of the forums. A 5.5 is DAMN good, we should not be telling you this. You should know all this already.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 12:18 PM
Sorry, no. A guy whos been ranked 130 vs a 15 year old, and you think your technique is better and a natural motion.

Here's what you should say: I would get destroyed by this guy because he is a world class player. I have no idea about NTRP ratings and don't know how to analyze myself play. I self rated myself and it seems I'm a 5.5. Dude, you honestly wouldn't be asking this if you say your as good as you are! You really would not! You wouldn't be asking for advice let alone be on this section of the forums. A 5.5 is DAMN good, we should not be telling you this. You should know all this already.

WEll 5.5 is freaggin' amazing for you. But not where I play. but from your vid, I could take you 0,0 easy

RoddickAce
01-04-2009, 12:23 PM
LMAO "Roger Federer in Me" was in the related videos :lol:

I looked at that vid too xD. Quite entertaining.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 12:24 PM
I looked at that vid too xD. Quite entertaining.

RoddickACe, sorry dude, I'm in Montreal.

RoddickAce
01-04-2009, 12:27 PM
RoddickACe, sorry dude, I'm in Montreal.

Aw man......

Farz77
01-04-2009, 12:30 PM
Aw man......

Too bad, I would have been nice to play you. You could let everyone on this forum know what level I am

BestLefty UK
01-04-2009, 12:31 PM
WEll 5.5 is freaggin' amazing for you. But not where I play. but from your vid, I could take you 0,0 easy

How bout you stop posting trash like this. You have no proof of being a 5.5 so for all we know Ballinbob could take you 0 & 0. I personally think you're arrogant about your ability, probably over-hyped by anyone & everyone around you & clueless about NTRP. You shouldn't be claiming anything unless you have evidence/proof. You can claim your strokes are better than a pro and you can claim you've won 2 tournaments but unless you got something to back it up, you shouldn't be putting down people that aren't delusional as you most probably are.

Mike Cottrill
01-04-2009, 12:31 PM
Don't you have to win a match to get an ATP point?
It appears maybe they have changed the rules to close the loop hole on buying an ATP point.
Here are a few examples where a first round loss gives an ATP point from wild card into a challenger event a few years ago. I noticed the rules now say no points are awarded for a first round loss at challenger series events. This must be a change as you can see from the examples below


http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=CH&player=BD77&x=13&y=5 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=CH&player=BD77&x=13&y=5)


http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/matchrecord.asp?playernumber=L747 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/matchrecord.asp?playernumber=L747)

http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=2005&player=L747&selTournament=CH&prevtrnnum=0 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=2005&player=L747&selTournament=CH&prevtrnnum=0)

Farz77
01-04-2009, 12:33 PM
It appears maybe they have changed the rules to close the loop hole on buying an ATP point.
Here are a few examples where a first round loss gives an ATP point from wild card into a challenger event a few years ago. I noticed the rules now say no points are awarded for a first round loss at challenger series events. This must be a change as you can see from the examples below


http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=CH&player=BD77&x=13&y=5 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2005&query=Singles&selTournament=CH&player=BD77&x=13&y=5)


http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/matchrecord.asp?playernumber=L747 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/matchrecord.asp?playernumber=L747)

http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=2005&player=L747&selTournament=CH&prevtrnnum=0 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=2005&player=L747&selTournament=CH&prevtrnnum=0)

Interesting

Ballinbob
01-04-2009, 12:37 PM
WEll 5.5 is freaggin' amazing for you. But not where I play. but from your vid, I could take you 0,0 easy

Maybe you could, I don't care. I have something to back my playing abilities up, you have words. And where do you play where there are 15 year old 5.5s all over the place? Montreal? No dude, Canada doesn't have 5.5 15 year olds running all over the place, or there would be alot more canadian pros. You don't understand NTRP at all, just admit it. I didnt either until just recently. And if you say your a whole lvel better than me then your a 4.5. 4.5 is much different than a 5.5. A 4.5 is believable actually. But until you post some proof of the tourneys you've won or a vid, Im just going to say your an average 3.5 like the rest of us.

Mike Cottrill
01-04-2009, 12:39 PM
DEFINETLY!!!
More natural forehand for sure and i have 1hander so yeah...

What makes your FH more natural? If you think so, you must have video of your FH..

RoddickAce
01-04-2009, 12:42 PM
Maybe you could, I don't care. I have something to back my playing abilities up, you have words. And where do you play where there are 15 year old 5.5s all over the place? Montreal? No dude, Canada doesn't have 5.5 15 year olds running all over the place, or there would be alot more canadian pros. You don't understand NTRP at all, just admit it. I didnt either until just recently. And if you say your a whole lvel better than me then your a 4.5. 4.5 is much different than a 5.5. A 4.5 is believable actually. But until you post some proof of the tourneys you've won or a vid, Im just going to say your an average 3.5 like the rest of us.

5.5's at 15 years old are very very rare, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt as there may be some people out there that play really well at a young age. I looked at Nadal playing at age 12, and although his strokes don't look as "cool" as they do now obviously, he was still generating some nice pace and spin which could allow him to win a lot of matches and tourneys.

oneguy21
01-04-2009, 01:13 PM
Please find a way to post your videos soon.

Farz77
01-04-2009, 01:16 PM
5.5's at 15 years old are very very rare, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt as there may be some people out there that play really well at a young age. I looked at Nadal playing at age 12, and although his strokes don't look as "cool" as they do now obviously, he was still generating some nice pace and spin which could allow him to win a lot of matches and tourneys.

Finally, Thank you

My point here isn't to prove anyone wrong, it's simply to have an idea what I will do in the futur.
Also does anyone know what level pros like nadal, fed and others were at 15

Farz77
01-04-2009, 01:17 PM
Please find a way to post your videos soon.

Doing my best. I don't even have a Youtube account

oneguy21
01-04-2009, 01:20 PM
Doing my best. I don't even have a Youtube account

Then make one.

psYcon
01-04-2009, 01:20 PM
Doing my best. I don't even have a Youtube account

The fact that you're coming up with so many excuses not to post a video doesn't speak much about your credibility.

your total number of posts in this thread so far : 50+
your videos : 0

oneguy21
01-04-2009, 01:22 PM
What is your name?

Ballinbob
01-04-2009, 01:31 PM
Also does anyone know what level pros like nadal, fed and others were at 15

5.5s, just like you.......

oneguy21
01-04-2009, 01:33 PM
5.5s, just like you.......

I've heard Michael Chang was 7.0 when he was 15.

Ballinbob
01-04-2009, 01:34 PM
I've heard Michael Chang was 7.0 when he was 15.

No, when he was 17.

ximian
01-04-2009, 02:12 PM
wow... this thread is a complete and utter waste of my time.

I'm also going to call the biggest BS smackdown in the history of these boards. There is no way this kid is as good as he says - for all the reasons others have mentioned.

My bet: he makes a video of himself, views it, and realizes he sucks and is nowhere near as good as the blue chip prospects. Or he is deluded and still thinks he is good, in which he posts it here. Then we all get a good laugh, and viola - the worlds biggest BS smackdown is finally confirmed. What a dunce.

NamRanger
01-04-2009, 02:24 PM
Can someone just ban this guy? Seriously, he's obviously just trolling.

Mada
01-04-2009, 02:36 PM
You have ABSOLUTELY zero evidence of how good you are. Post a video, tell us your name, show us the tournaments you won in. Until you do anything like those, you are just another BSer wasting everybody's time.

Frankauc
01-04-2009, 02:53 PM
you guys have no proof against him to say hes not what he claim to be. You're no better.

jasoncho92
01-04-2009, 03:05 PM
Let this thread die guys. Even in the off chance that he is actually a 5.5, as of now, there is no evidence other than a guy who has one coach (in Candada where NTRP isnt used) who rated him a 5.0. Like 90% of 15 year olds here, he thinks hes a 5.0 or higher. When you are at a low level and havent played against actual good players, you think you can handle great players you see on videos because youre arrogant. Just wait until this guy posts up his video, but i doubt thatll happen any time soon. Maybe in a year or two he will become a 5.0 and post one then.

[osu]ilovecows
01-04-2009, 03:06 PM
Except we didn't make a topic saying "so and so is not a 5.0/5.5". That's the difference.

Mada
01-04-2009, 03:11 PM
you guys have no proof against him to say hes not what he claim to be. You're no better.

We have benefit of the doubt. How many 15 yr old 5.5's have there been that have time to be active on a forum such as this?

jasoncho92
01-04-2009, 03:13 PM
We have benefit of the doubt. How many 15 yr old 5.5's have there been that have time to be active on a forum such as this?
How many make a thread asking whether or not you lift your leg on a backhand?

TonLars
01-04-2009, 05:17 PM
You are far too overconfident. Most top level high school juniors (i.e. Blue Chips) would double bagel the majority of this board, with the exception of the likes of WBF, TonLars, and a few others. Even then, I highly doubt it would be a close match. When we are talking about Blue Chips, we are talking about the likes of Alex Clayton.

Agreed, from the sound of things this kid is probably pretty good, but doesnt seem to realize how much of a jump it is to the levels he is talking about. We would need to see some results and video of him playing for an exact idea.

By the way in referrence to your comment, I took 6 games off Clayton this summer, and I play a blue chip 16 year old about twice a week thats about in the top 15 or so and have beaten him 6-0 on occasion.:)

Mada
01-04-2009, 05:37 PM
Agreed, from the sound of things this kid is probably pretty good, but doesnt seem to realize how much of a jump it is to the levels he is talking about. We would need to see some results and video of him playing for an exact idea.

By the way in referrence to your comment, I took 6 games off Clayton this summer, and I play a blue chip 16 year old about twice a week thats about in the top 15 or so and have beaten him 6-0 on occasion.:)

Just wondering, about how good were you as a teenager(14-17), and how often did you play?

BullDogTennis
01-04-2009, 05:50 PM
I already answered the same question. I'm not exacly sure what NTRP i am but just in the past month I have won 2 provincial tournaments.

oh ok, to much to read before hand. i just "blind" posted.

RestockingTues
01-04-2009, 06:04 PM
Betcha Farzz77= Maratsafin5 :)

TonLars
01-04-2009, 06:28 PM
Just wondering, about how good were you as a teenager(14-17), and how often did you play?

I was a pretty good player by that age but nowhere near where I am now. I may not be a good example to ask this question because I just started playing tennis seriously at age 12, and I wouldnt say poor but I had a relatively weak environment for training as far as location, coaches and players to hit with. By 14 though I was in the top 5 in my section and so forth each time I was in the second year of each age group. I improved alot each year just mainly from getting more and more experience playing tournaments, and rallying alot with competent players by pushing myself. I had alot of holes in my game all the way up to my freshman year of college and mainly won off athletic ability and a solid backhand. By my sophomore year I had a solid consistent game all around to use with my running ability, but would lose matches to "really good" players but get a number of games and take some pride in competing well with them since I was improving. In my junior year to present I gradually developed an aggressive baseline game. Mentally I also became stronger, and again this was through tournaments and playing better players than myself, and I realized what playing at that level was like by then from all those tournament matches in the past couple years, and was no longer content to just push myself and lose close matches winning alot of games but to go out and try to actually win the match with the "really good" players that I previously had buolt up in my mind from having never played against them previously. Because I then knew I was capable of winning, and to do so would be the next step up.


In short, unless a junior player is really bred through good coaching, having good players to hit with all the time and traveling to lots of quality tournaments, especially national tournaments (which I did not have the opportunity to do as a junior player) and starting at a young enough age, they arent going to have the kind of game or experience that a college or pro player has. Of course these top ranked junior players are tough, but once you get to a good playing level, everyone has the basic good shot making ability and can hit the ball well. What makes the difference is what is inside of a players head and their heart. Some of the very best juniors have had alot of great experience playing tough national and international tournaments, and so these players would be at the 5.5 or possibly higher levels as a result of this. But there are not many players that have had this kind of training and experience, in comparison to what an older college player or pro has gone through. At 15 or 16 years old its hard to say what a person will be able to do, because they still have some time to develop.

LeeD
01-04-2009, 06:32 PM
Well done, well said.

Mada
01-04-2009, 06:43 PM
I was a pretty good player by that age but nowhere near where I am now. I may not be a good example to ask this question because I just started playing tennis seriously at age 12, and I wouldnt say poor but I had a relatively weak environment for training as far as location, coaches and players to hit with. By 14 though I was in the top 5 in my section and so forth each time I was in the second year of each age group. I improved alot each year just mainly from getting more and more experience playing tournaments, and rallying alot with competent players by pushing myself. I had alot of holes in my game all the way up to my freshman year of college and mainly won off athletic ability and a solid backhand. By my sophomore year I had a solid consistent game all around to use with my running ability, but would lose matches to "really good" players but get a number of games and take some pride in competing well with them since I was improving. In my junior year to present I gradually developed an aggressive baseline game. Mentally I also became stronger, and again this was through tournaments and playing better players than myself, and I realized what playing at that level was like by then from all those tournament matches in the past couple years, and was no longer content to just push myself and lose close matches winning alot of games but to go out and try to actually win the match with the "really good" players that I previously had buolt up in my mind from having never played against them previously. Because I then knew I was capable of winning, and to do so would be the next step up.


In short, unless a junior player is really bred through good coaching, having good players to hit with all the time and traveling to lots of quality tournaments, especially national tournaments (which I did not have the opportunity to do as a junior player) and starting at a young enough age, they arent going to have the kind of game or experience that a college or pro player has. Of course these top ranked junior players are tough, but once you get to a good playing level, everyone has the basic good shot making ability and can hit the ball well. What makes the difference is what is inside of a players head and their heart. Some of the very best juniors have had alot of great experience playing tough national and international tournaments, and so these players would be at the 5.5 or possibly higher levels as a result of this. But there are not many players that have had this kind of training and experience, in comparison to what an older college player or pro has gone through. At 15 or 16 years old its hard to say what a person will be able to do, because they still have some time to develop.

Thanks for the reply; top 5 in the section is pretty darn good. I'm 14 now, and I have only been taking tennis seriously for probably a year or so. Right now I'm mainly focusing on playing as much as I can and seeing where that will take me.

AznHylite
01-04-2009, 08:25 PM
Man, he hasn't posted anything for a while. I really want to see his "amazing" strokes with greater "natural flow" than a pro's. I'm really shaking in my boots!

Frankauc
01-04-2009, 09:47 PM
We have benefit of the doubt. How many 15 yr old 5.5's have there been that have time to be active on a forum such as this?

benefit of the doubt should be given to him. no you.

futuratennis
01-05-2009, 12:36 AM
I rated myself a 5.5 when i first started playing (im 15 too). And guess what, I'm just your average 3.5. A 5.5 at 15 years old is pro material.

Post a vid and prove us wrong, but im sticking with what I said. You may very well be a good player, but 5.5 is really up there

ahah youve said this in multiple threads now.. no offense mate, but i dont know how u managed to rate yourself a 5.5... not trying to be rude or anything :)

[ GTR ]
01-05-2009, 05:02 AM
I was a pretty good player by that age but nowhere near where I am now. I may not be a good example to ask this question because I just started playing tennis seriously at age 12, and I wouldnt say poor but I had a relatively weak environment for training as far as location, coaches and players to hit with. By 14 though I was in the top 5 in my section and so forth each time I was in the second year of each age group. I improved alot each year just mainly from getting more and more experience playing tournaments, and rallying alot with competent players by pushing myself. I had alot of holes in my game all the way up to my freshman year of college and mainly won off athletic ability and a solid backhand. By my sophomore year I had a solid consistent game all around to use with my running ability, but would lose matches to "really good" players but get a number of games and take some pride in competing well with them since I was improving. In my junior year to present I gradually developed an aggressive baseline game. Mentally I also became stronger, and again this was through tournaments and playing better players than myself, and I realized what playing at that level was like by then from all those tournament matches in the past couple years, and was no longer content to just push myself and lose close matches winning alot of games but to go out and try to actually win the match with the "really good" players that I previously had buolt up in my mind from having never played against them previously. Because I then knew I was capable of winning, and to do so would be the next step up.


In short, unless a junior player is really bred through good coaching, having good players to hit with all the time and traveling to lots of quality tournaments, especially national tournaments (which I did not have the opportunity to do as a junior player) and starting at a young enough age, they arent going to have the kind of game or experience that a college or pro player has. Of course these top ranked junior players are tough, but once you get to a good playing level, everyone has the basic good shot making ability and can hit the ball well. What makes the difference is what is inside of a players head and their heart. Some of the very best juniors have had alot of great experience playing tough national and international tournaments, and so these players would be at the 5.5 or possibly higher levels as a result of this. But there are not many players that have had this kind of training and experience, in comparison to what an older college player or pro has gone through. At 15 or 16 years old its hard to say what a person will be able to do, because they still have some time to develop.

Wow very nice to read this.. I might not be good but it gives me an idea about what it takes to improve and stuff.

Thanks for this man

NamRanger
01-05-2009, 03:55 PM
Agreed, from the sound of things this kid is probably pretty good, but doesnt seem to realize how much of a jump it is to the levels he is talking about. We would need to see some results and video of him playing for an exact idea.

By the way in referrence to your comment, I took 6 games off Clayton this summer, and I play a blue chip 16 year old about twice a week thats about in the top 15 or so and have beaten him 6-0 on occasion.:)


He's 16 though, and you are a fully grown man. Most blue chips I'm talking about are around 18, so the physical growth difference isn't so great :P



But still, the very top blue chips in of the 18 age group would obliterate the majority of this board.

Soar
01-05-2009, 07:35 PM
wowww
you guys are ******bags
how the hell do you know that he isnt a 5.0 or 5.5,
the fact that you cant believe him because you find it rare to see such good players says alot about ur character

in fact, alot of the times, the best players in the sections train at similar places, because they have the best facilities and coaches..

also technique doesnt mean anything. watch santoro- duh
btw as long as u work hard it sounds like ull be able to go to D1 university.

if u want to go pro, then choose the university where u think ull excell/improve the most.

NamRanger
01-07-2009, 11:58 AM
wowww
you guys are ******bags
how the hell do you know that he isnt a 5.0 or 5.5,
the fact that you cant believe him because you find it rare to see such good players says alot about ur character

in fact, alot of the times, the best players in the sections train at similar places, because they have the best facilities and coaches..

also technique doesnt mean anything. watch santoro- duh
btw as long as u work hard it sounds like ull be able to go to D1 university.

if u want to go pro, then choose the university where u think ull excell/improve the most.



I know because he thinks he can take a Blue Chip 18s player. A Blue Chip would wipe the floor with most 5.0s and 5.5s.

pingpongtennis
01-07-2009, 07:28 PM
Not to burn Canada tennis or anything, but isn't it kinda weak. I think it is about the same as WA were I am. Anyhow, not saying that Canada's top players aren't godly, just that maybe everyone out of the top 30 or so aren't so amazing.

Mada
01-07-2009, 07:32 PM
wowww
you guys are ******bags
how the hell do you know that he isnt a 5.0 or 5.5,
the fact that you cant believe him because you find it rare to see such good players says alot about ur character

in fact, alot of the times, the best players in the sections train at similar places, because they have the best facilities and coaches..

also technique doesnt mean anything. watch santoro- duh
btw as long as u work hard it sounds like ull be able to go to D1 university.

if u want to go pro, then choose the university where u think ull excell/improve the most.

You, my good sir, are an idiot. Who knows, maybe he is a 5.0? I doubt it, but even if he was, he said he would be fair game for the 18's Blue Chips. If you don't understand the significance of that, then begone.

Noveson
01-07-2009, 07:38 PM
because I'm from Canada as well, and I'm always looking for other open-level players to hit with. :)

This is funny. First you think he doesn't like you because you said something not nice, when in reality it was been pretty well noticed you try to cut down anyone over 3.0. Second we have all seen your videos. Open level my ***. 110 hour forehand, not very believable either haha.

Noveson
01-07-2009, 07:42 PM
ahah youve said this in multiple threads now.. no offense mate, but i dont know how u managed to rate yourself a 5.5... not trying to be rude or anything :)

I think I understand to tell you the truth. I mean if I just read the descriptions of the ratings I'd assume I was a 5.5 or better. With no knowledge of real tournament players it is an easy mistake to make.

While I think this kid should have the benefit of the doubt and should be treated fairly, I am really doubting a kid who has posted no tournament results, asked for help on his backhand, and has yet to post a video.

Ballinbob
01-07-2009, 07:45 PM
This is funny. First you think he doesn't like you because you said something not nice, when in reality it was been pretty well noticed you try to cut down anyone over 3.0. Second we have all seen your videos. Open level my ***. 110 hour forehand, not very believable either haha.

+1 lol, very true. The moment I say I'm a 3.5 hes like "omg dude no, you suck as$ and your lucky to be a 3.0". Then you look at the rest of the thread and 50 other people said I'm a 3.5. Only he said I was a 3.0, and he does this to everyone. And its not like I'm bragging here saying i'm a 5.5, im saying based on my vids, I think i'm just your average 3.5. He does this to everyone, and im not really sure why....

oh and along with his 110mph forehand he also has a 110mph slice serve and a 120 flat serve.

baseline08thrasher
01-07-2009, 08:19 PM
Yeah, who can believe you when you haven't provided evidence.


BTW
My coach is going to host a yearly pro event, the champion gets 50,000 dollars.
The others get whatever the break down is in the money, per rounds won.. etc,..
It's at a country club.
He will sale wild cards.

Also we are getting clay courts in.

This is exciting news for me.
As I am also a very serious player.

Just thought I should share.

Please post a video, this will either tell us that you're lying, or make us think twice.

ssjkyle31
01-07-2009, 10:18 PM
Don't wipe his aspiration to much. If he is a true 5.5 then why does he want to go to a D1 college. If his parents have enough money, they can hire a full time coach and push him in the challengers or futures. Who knows, he might get lucky.

ssjkyle31
01-07-2009, 10:23 PM
I was a pretty good player by that age but nowhere near where I am now. I may not be a good example to ask this question because I just started playing tennis seriously at age 12, and I wouldnt say poor but I had a relatively weak environment for training as far as location, coaches and players to hit with. By 14 though I was in the top 5 in my section and so forth each time I was in the second year of each age group. I improved alot each year just mainly from getting more and more experience playing tournaments, and rallying alot with competent players by pushing myself. I had alot of holes in my game all the way up to my freshman year of college and mainly won off athletic ability and a solid backhand. By my sophomore year I had a solid consistent game all around to use with my running ability, but would lose matches to "really good" players but get a number of games and take some pride in competing well with them since I was improving. In my junior year to present I gradually developed an aggressive baseline game. Mentally I also became stronger, and again this was through tournaments and playing better players than myself, and I realized what playing at that level was like by then from all those tournament matches in the past couple years, and was no longer content to just push myself and lose close matches winning alot of games but to go out and try to actually win the match with the "really good" players that I previously had buolt up in my mind from having never played against them previously. Because I then knew I was capable of winning, and to do so would be the next step up.


In short, unless a junior player is really bred through good coaching, having good players to hit with all the time and traveling to lots of quality tournaments, especially national tournaments (which I did not have the opportunity to do as a junior player) and starting at a young enough age, they arent going to have the kind of game or experience that a college or pro player has. Of course these top ranked junior players are tough, but once you get to a good playing level, everyone has the basic good shot making ability and can hit the ball well. What makes the difference is what is inside of a players head and their heart. Some of the very best juniors have had alot of great experience playing tough national and international tournaments, and so these players would be at the 5.5 or possibly higher levels as a result of this. But there are not many players that have had this kind of training and experience, in comparison to what an older college player or pro has gone through. At 15 or 16 years old its hard to say what a person will be able to do, because they still have some time to develop.

But reality set in.

Ambivalent
01-08-2009, 12:31 AM
Most coaches are 5.0-5.5s.

tennis_balla
01-08-2009, 12:48 AM
This is the funniest thread on here in a long time. I always used to think golf players were bad at arguing over their handicaps and other peoples handicaps but this takes the cake.
First off the NTRP system is used in Canada by the way can't remember who said its not.

Anyways, its very simple for the threadstarter. College coaches couldn't care less what your NTRP is. What they are after is your junior ranking, men's open ranking (if you have one), who you've played and beaten or had close matches with (high ranked players) and a good video of yourself not only hitting balls from the baseline and a few serves but playing points letting the camera roll continuously so they can see how you act during, before and after points win or lose. Now if you're from Canada and you talk the way you do about your game and how good you are then you're most likely from Ontario, Quebec or BC which are generally the 3 strongest provinces. My guess is you're from southern Ontario like myself.
If your ranking is good, you've played nationals and so on then you shouldn't need to ask how to get into college but if you really wanna know and live in southern Ontario and want to play then let me know and I'll tell you http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=233611

TonLars
01-08-2009, 06:22 AM
But reality set in.

hmmmmmmmm?

ssjkyle31
01-08-2009, 06:48 AM
for that 15 year old.

Tennisguy777
01-08-2009, 08:02 AM
"what happened to that boy" Use your cell phone we want vids. This thread is moot without the evidence of your 5.0 + ness. I am not doubting but after 10 pages if babbling and no video I think it's another one of those threads. If you are a 5.0+ player lucky you, I wish I was that good if not you are wasting our time and your time. Valuable time that could be used practicing tennis. Also if you are 5.0 + you wouldn't need to ask the question you could go to any Div 1 college of your choice practically. Until he puts up a video it would be idiotic of us to keep posting we're feeding the troll. Once we see a video we can assess his chances of Div 1 etc. etc.

tennis_balla
01-08-2009, 11:56 AM
Well if he's in southern Ontario I challenged him to a hit. Don't have to play a match, I could care less but a one hour hit is plenty.

Frankauc
01-08-2009, 12:03 PM
hes in montreal

onehandbh
01-08-2009, 12:28 PM
My coach is going to host a yearly pro event, the champion
gets 50,000 dollars. The others get whatever the break
down is in the money, per rounds won.. etc,..
It's at a country club. He will sale wild cards.

Also we are getting clay courts in.



Will this be in Bakersfield???
50K? Is it an open tournament where anyone can enter?
That's like as much as some pro tournaments.
How the heck is he getting the 50K to payout?

Djokovicfan4life
01-08-2009, 01:10 PM
wowww
you guys are ******bags
how the hell do you know that he isnt a 5.0 or 5.5,
the fact that you cant believe him because you find it rare to see such good players says alot about ur character

in fact, alot of the times, the best players in the sections train at similar places, because they have the best facilities and coaches..

also technique doesnt mean anything. watch santoro- duh
btw as long as u work hard it sounds like ull be able to go to D1 university.

if u want to go pro, then choose the university where u think ull excell/improve the most.

Technique doesn't mean anything? Thanks for the laugh, buddy. Not everyone has the luxury of McEnroe or Santoro-like talent. Their strokes work for them but they are two players out of millions who HAVE benefited from learning the proper fundamentals.

quicken
01-10-2009, 01:59 AM
Technique doesn't mean anything.
That made me laugh fosho.

nfor304
05-14-2009, 07:37 AM
to answer the OP question from a while ago... Federer and Nadal were extremely good at 15 Fed was world junior champion at 16 and Nadal turned pro at 15, and played his first ATP event at 16. And if this guy was as good as he is saying he could simply give us his name and we could google him and bring up a ton of results etc

pushing_wins
05-14-2009, 09:04 AM
in north york. want to hit?

willing to play for money. not to waste your time, if u are that good.

chess9
05-14-2009, 01:59 PM
Without video, or a name with verifiable results, this is all fantasy.

Ton Lars has worked very hard to get where he is. I don't care much to see people who are, in effect, downplaying the near superhuman effort it takes to get to the top of this game.

Show me the deerty peectures meester.

-Robert

Shaolin
05-14-2009, 02:36 PM
OP--

Just try to qualify for some Futures tournaments, that will show you really quick if you belong in the pros and/or what you need to do to play at that level. You can even try to qualify for Challengers. A friend of mine with no ATP points in singles got directly into qualies in a challenger up there (Canada) last year. Good luck.

thejackal
05-14-2009, 02:43 PM
to the OP, I live in montreal. planning on playing any open tournaments this summer? maybe I'll see u there

nfor304
05-14-2009, 07:07 PM
what happened to this guy??

BounceHitBounceHit
05-17-2009, 07:35 PM
Without video, or a name with verifiable results, this is all fantasy.

Ton Lars has worked very hard to get where he is. I don't care much to see people who are, in effect, downplaying the near superhuman effort it takes to get to the top of this game.

Show me the deerty peectures meester.

-Robert

Agreed Robert. For some reason it really irks me when people put Tony down by virtue of ridiculous comments like, "Yeah, he's probably a strong 4.0 where I live". Well if so, fly to Minnesota, put the beat down on him, and post the results here. Otherwise, put a lid on it. BHBH

dave333
05-17-2009, 07:57 PM
It takes around 10,000 hours to be truly good at something.

Keep that in perspective.

imalil2gangsta4u
05-17-2009, 09:04 PM
haha i remember this thread. guy was pretty funny.

futuratennis
05-17-2009, 09:14 PM
I rated myself a 5.5 when i first started playing (im 15 too). And guess what, I'm just your average 3.5. A 5.5 at 15 years old is pro material.

Post a vid and prove us wrong, but im sticking with what I said. You may very well be a good player, but 5.5 is really up there

yea but mate i remember that vid u posted up, i have no idea how u thought u were a 5.5 no offense

nfor304
05-17-2009, 09:43 PM
My bet: he makes a video of himself, views it, and realizes he sucks and is nowhere near as good as the blue chip prospects. .

looks like a safe bet

Duzza
05-18-2009, 07:38 AM
Ahh I don't know why I waste my time reading/replying to these threads...

Firstly, anyone (futuratennis looking at you) is an idiot if you do not think that BallinBob's posts aren't posted for humour. He knows he's not a 5.5, he's stated it a billion times. Thanks.

Anyway, I find that the average teenage kid loves to overestimate himself. I did for many years...I thought I was at the level I am now when I was 15. Looking back on it, I was terrible. I could hardly play a proper point (not literally, I've been playing since I was 9). But yes, now that I'm 19 I can play a solid game of tennis.

If you think you can make it to college, then go for it. Just a few tips:

1. Post a freakin video to satisfy us

b. Just keep hitting and playing tennis.....why are you on a forum talking about the sport instead of playing it?

3. Don't sacrifice education at all. You keep stating that you will look to bail from uni a few years in to go pro. What's the point of this? A failed tennis career and an uncompleted degree? You'll no doubt end up going back to complete it (if you choose to) not on any scholarship as you are too burnt out from trying to go pro. Sorry, the truth sucks.

d. Don't take **** from people on the forum....everyone here has a way of being jealous of anyone else's personal ratings of themselves even though improvement should be promoted...we can all get good together!!

ramseszerg
05-18-2009, 08:12 AM
why are you on a forum talking about the sport instead of playing it?

Says the guy with 6000 posts. :D

TonLars
05-18-2009, 12:33 PM
Without video, or a name with verifiable results, this is all fantasy.

Ton Lars has worked very hard to get where he is. I don't care much to see people who are, in effect, downplaying the near superhuman effort it takes to get to the top of this game.

Show me the deerty peectures meester.

-Robert
Agreed Robert. For some reason it really irks me when people put Tony down by virtue of ridiculous comments like, "Yeah, he's probably a strong 4.0 where I live". Well if so, fly to Minnesota, put the beat down on him, and post the results here. Otherwise, put a lid on it. BHBH

Lol, thanks, but how did I get dragged into this thread? I looked through and I didnt see anybody calling me a 4.0 in here. Couple years ago with those old videos people were making some weird comments, but Ill just post web links to tournaments if people want so video is just for fun. Anyways, look forward to hitting in a couple weeks BHBH

burosky
05-18-2009, 02:53 PM
Don't worry about whether your chances of attending a D1 and/or Pro is good or not. Just keep playing, improving and winning matches. If you are really good the coaches, scouts or agents will find you one way or another.

Josherer
05-18-2009, 05:27 PM
Says the guy with 6000 posts. :D

Is Duzza starting threads without postings vids asking about his chances of D1 college tennis?

Duzza
05-18-2009, 05:52 PM
Says the guy with 6000 posts. :D

Doesn't have anything to do with what I was saying...I'm not trying to become a great tennis player anytime soon. You may have noticed I've made approx. 20 posts this year by the way...I'm either out with friends, working or studying for a degree.


PS. I know you're joking, don't worry :)

ttbrowne
05-18-2009, 07:27 PM
I'm 15, imbetween 5.0 and 5.5. About 2 hours of working out a week plus average 13 hours a week tennis. Chances of getting a scholarship into D1 uni OR going pro at 18 OR going pro after some years @ uni like Blake did.
Your thoughts?

I'm calling Bull on this. A 15 year old 5.0/5.5 player has already been told over & over again that you are going to be recruited by a lot of major college's. You have 3 more years and are already at 5.0? Then what will you be by age 18?

Set up a hitting session at your nearest "Northern" major university. You'll know exactly where you fit in after a session with one of these players.
Shouldn't be hard to do since they have such great players in the North, right?

maverick66
05-18-2009, 07:40 PM
chances of going to a D1 school is pretty good. there are alot of D1 programs and some of them believe it or not are pretty bad.

Chances of going pro slim to none. Do not take it personal but you could show me the top twenty kids in the ITF rankings and maybe 3-4 will make it as a pro. Its that hard to play this game for a living.

35ft6
05-18-2009, 08:05 PM
I'm 15, imbetween 5.0 and 5.5. About 2 hours of working out a week plus average 13 hours a week tennis. Chances of getting a scholarship into D1 uni OR going pro at 18 OR going pro after some years @ uni like Blake did.
Your thoughts?What's your junior ranking?

plasma
05-20-2009, 07:30 AM
PTR coach here, you'd need lessons (privates) 3 times a week with a coach who had a pro ranking. Don't take his/her word for it, demand proof. Then, maybe if you had heart and skill and exceptional talent. Kids are getting sponsorships and scouted for the pros at very early ages. I think you'd need to start playing tournaments immediately to find out if you got what i takes. 999/1000 who you described 15 5.5 no regional ranking, don't really have a shot at this anymore than they could turn into a pro boxer or amatuer champ in the same time, just because they spar in the gym and have some talent. If you were slated for that level of competition you wouldn't have to ask, you'd already have people telling you.

This is for pros, mavs point about D1 was legit, you could probably work out with some super low end D1 teams now, but not pros....

Julieta
05-20-2009, 08:50 AM
I think the decision is based on the talent and money combination. If you are reasonably talented but broke, try for D-1. You'll get an education and a chance to play tennis. If you do really well at D-1, then maybe you can play a few futures after college (though again the money comes into play).

If you are reasonably talented and very rich, you can try the futures circuit and see what happens. Without a lot of money (parents that can contribute enough money for you to go to futures all over the world for at least five years) being pro isnt really an option.

Now if you are super talented you might be able to find a sponsor to help you, but even that usually requires a significant investment just to get noticed.

NovakWannabe
05-20-2009, 02:01 PM
This guy is like a Canadian Kash.

maverick66
05-20-2009, 02:27 PM
Not even close to the same as Kash.

NovakWannabe
05-20-2009, 02:38 PM
Call me a jerk for saying this, but they're both very similar. They are both arrogant and liars. They both think that they can make a D1 school, when obviously they both can't.

I'm just fed up that these guys can think that they can make a D1 school, when I have friends who have worked their asses off to even be 1, 2, or even 3 star recruits. They didn't end up playing tennis in college, let alone D1. Then Kash, and this clown comes, and ask about how they can become D1, or pro quality. It's time they learned that they have to work towards their goal. They can't just ask about how to get to that goal. Granted, Kash has started working towards his goal, but is it a realistic one? What star recruit is he?

matkimi
05-20-2009, 03:47 PM
So you serve about 110-113+ and your 15. You gotta be like at least 6"0 or you the biggest BSer ever
actuly my serve has been recorded at max at 125
and im 15:)

maverick66
05-20-2009, 03:49 PM
Call me a jerk for saying this, but they're both very similar. They are both arrogant and liars. They both think that they can make a D1 school, when obviously they both can't.

I'm just fed up that these guys can think that they can make a D1 school, when I have friends who have worked their asses off to even be 1, 2, or even 3 star recruits. They didn't end up playing tennis in college, let alone D1. Then Kash, and this clown comes, and ask about how they can become D1, or pro quality. It's time they learned that they have to work towards their goal. They can't just ask about how to get to that goal. Granted, Kash has started working towards his goal, but is it a realistic one? What star recruit is he?

Kash has never said he wants to play pro. He said he wants to play for a college. Not a high ranking one but a college. He didnt know how to work for it and those of us that are not complete jerks started pointing him in the right direction. You are very incorrect in your thoughts on this.

matkimi
05-20-2009, 04:15 PM
why dont they have like d1 schools in england makes me want too cry
i looked about going too america and it was like 17k per year
too bad my pocket isnt deep neither are my parents pockets.

Ryoma Kun
05-20-2009, 06:45 PM
k, I haven't read many of these posts, but I go to UCLA, I do not play on the team but talk to many players. They were playing ITF's when they were 15, so I would suggest starting those. Unless you have a world ranking a scholarship to a D1 school is unlikely, and if you don't have a point by the time you're 18 I highly doubt it will be possible to make it as a SUCCESSFUL pro. There are many increadible players out there in the 1000's+ but they don't make enough to support a living based only off tennis.

I would suggest just enjoying the game and don't worry about this, it will come to you if you should make the jump. As for D1, I would fully suggest this, I played at UCSD (DII) my first year and it was fun, but decided it's too time consuming.

Play it and see where it takes you =) plus D1 is a good stepping stone to pro's

Mikey Fresh
05-20-2009, 06:52 PM
No, not really. A 5.5 at 15 is amazing and just hard to believe that's all. A 4.5 is believable for a 16 year old, I've seen them. But its hard to imagine a 5.5 at 15 years old. These are the type of people that train at like Bolleteres (I spelled that way wrong, but you know what i mean) academy like 10 hrs a day to go pro



I know the ratings buddy, no need to lecture me on them. I meant that your on the right track for pro (5.5 at 15 years old). That's what i meant by pro material. By the time your 18 you will be a 6.5-7.0 if your a 5.5 now

If he doesn't burn out like alot of great players

tomboysuper
05-24-2009, 12:51 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ryderstedt look him up... you've just compared your 15 y.o supposed 5.0 strokes with a Challenger-winning Professional.



You have better technique and motion than a pro? Ok then I went to the zoo yesterday, now I'm a kuala (sampled from friends)

hahah lol you soo funny

Off The Wall
05-24-2009, 03:04 AM
The best player to late start ratio I'm aware of was a guy who, as a senior in high school, was playing at about a 4.0 level, at most. He just wasn't very good. His name is Harry Fritz.

He played for a junior college and after two years was at about a 5.5 level.

He didn't attend any D1 school. Instead, he worked full time on his tennis.

Ultimately, he played on Canada's Davis Cup team. He's even in the Davis Cup record book for number of games played in a match.

He wasn't even a stud athlete, but he had a great mind for the game.

He never got beyond the Satellite tour, but he traveled the world playing tennis.

Julieta
05-24-2009, 02:27 PM
The best player to late start ratio I'm aware of was a guy who, as a senior in high school, was playing at about a 4.0 level, at most. He just wasn't very good. His name is Harry Fritz.

He played for a junior college and after two years was at about a 5.5 level.

He didn't attend any D1 school. Instead, he worked full time on his tennis.

Ultimately, he played on Canada's Davis Cup team. He's even in the Davis Cup record book for number of games played in a match.

He wasn't even a stud athlete, but he had a great mind for the game.

He never got beyond the Satellite tour, but he traveled the world playing tennis.


He is the perfect example of hard working, reasonably talented, and rich. He played in Spain, France, Nigeria, New Zealand, Australia, Canada. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But that is the key to it all. With a lot of cash, you can travel the world playing tennis. Without it, a pro career is pretty much impossible (unless you're a super talent and you luck out with the right support system). Good on him, I think its great. If I had the money I certainly would have done the same thing!

WBF
05-24-2009, 02:58 PM
k, I haven't read many of these posts, but I go to UCLA, I do not play on the team but talk to many players. They were playing ITF's when they were 15, so I would suggest starting those. Unless you have a world ranking a scholarship to a D1 school is unlikely, and if you don't have a point by the time you're 18 I highly doubt it will be possible to make it as a SUCCESSFUL pro. There are many increadible players out there in the 1000's+ but they don't make enough to support a living based only off tennis.

I would suggest just enjoying the game and don't worry about this, it will come to you if you should make the jump. As for D1, I would fully suggest this, I played at UCSD (DII) my first year and it was fun, but decided it's too time consuming.

Play it and see where it takes you =) plus D1 is a good stepping stone to pro's

This.

Emphasis on the 'incredible players out there in the 1000's+'. Men's tennis is very, very deep (and pretty steep vertically as well). And this doesn't even take into account some of the former D1 and pro players of various ages who simply don't compete in this arena anymore.

Unless you already have some success on the world stage, there's a good chance you simply wouldn't make a living on the pro tour. Not only is it deep, it requires you to win entire tournaments for a paycheck. Oh, and the paychecks? They're pathetic for what you are accomplishing.

Good luck though. Even if you don't make it as a pro, college tennis is great, fun, and you can make some good connections (many of these people are very well off, same deal if you start futures tourneys, although you probably won't get close to many people, as these people are fighting for a chance to make it...).

Nanshiki
05-24-2009, 03:10 PM
I played someone in the 1000's (recent former D1 player), and he would have torn me a new one without breaking a sweat. I couldn't even put my racquet on his first serve because he put it in just right spot both times, even though it was only 115 or so... guess I shouldn't have egged him on. LOL.

fwiw, his career prize money is like $2,500. Something to think about.

Ballinbob
05-24-2009, 03:11 PM
yea but mate i remember that vid u posted up, i have no idea how u thought u were a 5.5 no offense

exactly my point bud:)

Nanshiki
05-24-2009, 03:29 PM
He is the perfect example of hard working, reasonably talented, and rich. He played in Spain, France, Nigeria, New Zealand, Australia, Canada. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But that is the key to it all. With a lot of cash, you can travel the world playing tennis. Without it, a pro career is pretty much impossible (unless you're a super talent and you luck out with the right support system). Good on him, I think its great. If I had the money I certainly would have done the same thing!

Guys/girls on the Challenger/Satelitte level are rarely rich... a million dollars of prize money over say, a 14-year career means you make about $30-40,000 a year after expenses... you could get a full-time job with a college degree and make that sort of money, without having to work nearly as hard and without half the commitment.

Now, if you're consistently top 100 or top 50, you can be rich... but top 250-300 won't be rich unless they win a major by accident or something.

Julieta
05-24-2009, 06:01 PM
Guys/girls on the Challenger/Satelitte level are rarely rich... a million dollars of prize money over say, a 14-year career means you make about $30-40,000 a year after expenses... you could get a full-time job with a college degree and make that sort of money, without having to work nearly as hard and without half the commitment.

Now, if you're consistently top 100 or top 50, you can be rich... but top 250-300 won't be rich unless they win a major by accident or something.

My point is that to PLAY the sat tour year in and year out - you have to be rich. You don't get rich on that tour. But if you have money to go to all over the world for a period of years - which means you're rich - then you can do okay (get a ranking etc.) even if you're not exceptionally talented.

If you're not rich you have no chance.

My whole point on this thread is that if you're not rich, play D-1 and see what happens!

Josherer
05-24-2009, 06:03 PM
exactly my point bud:)

^^^^ Lol some people aren't very good at reading sarcasm.

Nanshiki
05-24-2009, 06:13 PM
My point is that to PLAY the sat tour year in and year out - you have to be rich. You don't get rich on that tour. But if you have money to go to all over the world for a period of years - which means you're rich - then you can do okay (get a ranking etc.) even if you're not exceptionally talented.

If you're not rich you have no chance.

My whole point on this thread is that if you're not rich, play D-1 and see what happens!

Oh, I get it. You're totally right... you have to be rich to play pro tennis IF you aren't good enough to take on the whole world (so to speak). It's only slightly less expensive than racing, which is exclusively a rich man's sport except for those few incredibly rare individuals who work their way to the top with pure talent, like Louis Hamilton

I think getting an education and playing D1 before attempting to try to make it on the tour should always be the best idea unless you're a tennis phenom and find that you can already win enough tournaments to support your playing, Ala Andy Roddick. He was prepared to go to college but didn't need to because he made it (obviously). This, of course, takes very supportive parents and some sort of serious financial backing.

maverick66
05-24-2009, 06:25 PM
If you're not rich you have no chance.


this is why you dont get alot of good athletes in tennis. No way you make it without a big financial backing. You can not afford to do it by yourself by winning money through tournaments.

NLBwell
05-24-2009, 11:53 PM
Nowadays, a lot of the top Juniors do get financial backing - from investors, mangament companies, agents, etc. Sharapova's dad had no money when he came to the US. Maria got in Bolliteri's and played tennis anyway. You have to be exceptionally talented - the investors are thinking you are going to be top 10 and expect a return.

lawlitssoo1n
05-25-2009, 12:05 AM
u should be playing in the 18's right now if ur in the 5.0+

Julieta
05-25-2009, 04:49 AM
Oh, I get it. You're totally right... you have to be rich to play pro tennis IF you aren't good enough to take on the whole world (so to speak). It's only slightly less expensive than racing, which is exclusively a rich man's sport except for those few incredibly rare individuals who work their way to the top with pure talent, like Louis Hamilton

I think getting an education and playing D1 before attempting to try to make it on the tour should always be the best idea unless you're a tennis phenom and find that you can already win enough tournaments to support your playing, Ala Andy Roddick. He was prepared to go to college but didn't need to because he made it (obviously). This, of course, takes very supportive parents and some sort of serious financial backing.

Exactly. D-1 should always be the goal unless there is a lot of money or exceptional talent (which also needs supportive parents).

Julieta
05-25-2009, 04:55 AM
this is why you dont get alot of good athletes in tennis. No way you make it without a big financial backing. You can not afford to do it by yourself by winning money through tournaments.

Yeah exactly. If the travel costs dont get to you the medical expenses will take care of the rest of it. It is much easier to have a team take care of all of that stuff and even better if its a team with guaranteed contracts. Tennis is the toughest sport to make it in I think. The player has to cover their own travel, coaching and physio. Without the physio, forget it.

Nanshiki
05-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Not to mention stringing costs... $40 a pop for every set you play definitely adds up if you don't win many matches.

Especially for pros who use Luxilon... the majority of them have to buy their own reels (which as you know are $250 and only slightly more economical than sets).

oneguy20
05-25-2009, 03:33 PM
Your joking right or are you just high?

Dude, calm down! No need to accuse others of doing drugs.

maverick66
05-25-2009, 05:16 PM
Yeah exactly. If the travel costs dont get to you the medical expenses will take care of the rest of it. It is much easier to have a team take care of all of that stuff and even better if its a team with guaranteed contracts. Tennis is the toughest sport to make it in I think. The player has to cover their own travel, coaching and physio. Without the physio, forget it.

Its crazy how hard it is. In a good amount of other sports you have bench players and a good level of average pros. But in tennis you have the elite and a small percentage of b level players. Everyone else is just playing for the love of playing because its not for the money.