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ClarkC
01-06-2009, 01:44 PM
Some interesting choices in the first men's rankings (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_1_6_09.htm).

ClarkC
01-06-2009, 01:50 PM
And in the first women's team rankings (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/0809D1Women/DI_Women_National_Rankings_1_6_09.htm).

Initial rankings are by polls. By the end of the indoor season, enough data has been gathered on actual results to do it all by computer for the rest of the season.

LSStringing
01-06-2009, 03:52 PM
Konieko is ranked 1, Moneke is ranked 3 and Kronauge is ranked 6. Ohio State is crazy good! Baylor should be solid, as well.
I was, however, curious why FedAce's boy, Clayton was only ranked 33. Oh, thats right, he has been waiting for the Spring season before unleashing the greatest college game ever. Can't wait to see it, Fed.

UCLA is ranked 4, USC is ranked 6...it is going to be a long road for the 12th ranked Stanford team.

eeytennis
01-06-2009, 04:51 PM
I am really surprised that Stanford is ranked only 5 in the women's poll. They have a bunch of big names on their roster and they have such a world renowned tennis program. I noticed that all of their players are American? Does anyone know why that is? I think it's great...the number of foreign players on a team should be limited...it would help U.S. tennis. Also, Northwestern took the top ranking...they have the Number 1 ranked player in singles and the next ranked player is 28?! Interesting.

tennismom42
01-06-2009, 08:22 PM
what do the numbers in parentheses mean?

weaver
01-06-2009, 08:39 PM
what do the numbers in parentheses mean?

end of the year rankings from last year?

socaltennnis
01-07-2009, 12:28 AM
what do the numbers in parentheses mean?

votes as #1 team.

Fedace
01-07-2009, 02:41 AM
STANFORD rules.

MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER
01-07-2009, 05:22 AM
STANFORD rules.
(A small section of Northern California, and that's only because they don't play the USF Dons).

ndtennis
01-07-2009, 08:50 AM
i agree. Ohio State is stacked this year!

tennismom42
01-07-2009, 10:33 AM
i agree. Ohio State is stacked this year!
Northwestern is stacked next year

AndrewD
01-07-2009, 11:24 AM
I am really surprised that Stanford is ranked only 5 in the women's poll. They have a bunch of big names on their roster and they have such a world renowned tennis program. I noticed that all of their players are American? Does anyone know why that is? I think it's great...the number of foreign players on a team should be limited...it would help U.S. tennis. Also, Northwestern took the top ranking...they have the Number 1 ranked player in singles and the next ranked player is 28?! Interesting.

1. Stanford don't have a bunch of big names on their roster. They've got one player who performed well last year and a couple of unproven Freshman.

2. They're Stanford so they can recruit the cream of the American crop. Other universities don't have that luxury - although Stanford has selectively recruited internationally, they just don't publicise it.

3. US tennis WILL NOT be helped by limiting foreign players at college. American tennis will be helped by Americans improving the level of their play so that their own colleges/universities recruit them before looking overseas. American tennis will be helped by competing against the very best players - which is exactly what foreigner players allow. Blaming international recruiting is for the feeble-minded.

3. Pre-Season rankings mean absolutely NOTHING. They're only good for stroking the ego of boosters. Wait for the second round of in-season rankings before commenting.

eeytennis
01-07-2009, 01:13 PM
1. Stanford don't have a bunch of big names on their roster. They've got one player who performed well last year and a couple of unproven Freshman.

2. They're Stanford so they can recruit the cream of the American crop. Other universities don't have that luxury - although Stanford has selectively recruited internationally, they just don't publicise it.

3. US tennis WILL NOT be helped by limiting foreign players at college. American tennis will be helped by Americans improving the level of their play so that their own colleges/universities recruit them before looking overseas. American tennis will be helped by competing against the very best players - which is exactly what foreigner players allow. Blaming international recruiting is for the feeble-minded.

3. Pre-Season rankings mean absolutely NOTHING. They're only good for stroking the ego of boosters. Wait for the second round of in-season rankings before commenting.


Stanford got 3 blue chip recruits this year...all of those girls were very good and very successful USTA players...

I have seen teams where there at 6 or 7 foreign players and TWO Americans on the roster...maybe American kids would be compelled to work harder if they knew that the spots on the rosters of the schools they want to attend wouldn't be taken by foreign recruits. I am not saying bar foreign recruits completely...but I am all for setting a limit of 2 to 3 players per D1 team.

S H O W S T O P P E R !
01-07-2009, 01:59 PM
Illinois is positioned at #15 (mens.) I wonder how well they will do this year. They have some Top 100 talent. Any insight?

Go Orange and Blue!

kctennis1005
01-07-2009, 02:46 PM
Northwestern is stacked next year

ehh i dont know how stacked they are, but they're solid....the 4 that they are bringing in are all decent players, but no standout star. schanerman and balaji have great, hard-hitting singles games, but i saw them lose a disappointing doubles match at winter nationals to siow-mkrtchian....it wasn't even close. jackman and wolf are solid too, but i cant see any of them breaking the top of the line-up freshman year.

Joe Average
01-08-2009, 10:41 PM
Also, Northwestern took the top ranking...they have the Number 1 ranked player in singles and the next ranked player is 28?! Interesting.

Northwestern's women's team has the number one ranked player, but also numbers 24 and 28. In doubles they have numbers 25 and 26. So they're pretty good.

I caught them last year when they played here in Minnesota. Someone had the clever idea to use ball boys/girls. All this because Northwestern was then (as now) the number one team. It was pretty funny ... kind of hick, really. I guess people don't expect the number one team to come out of the Big Ten. When I tried to coax friends to come watch, they'd reply, "Northwestern can't be the number one team in the country. It's probably Stanford or USC or some team from Florida. You must mean the number one team in the region." Nope.

bluetrain4
01-09-2009, 12:37 AM
I am really surprised that Stanford is ranked only 5 in the women's poll. They have a bunch of big names on their roster and they have such a world renowned tennis program. I noticed that all of their players are American? Does anyone know why that is? I think it's great...the number of foreign players on a team should be limited...it would help U.S. tennis. Also, Northwestern took the top ranking...they have the Number 1 ranked player in singles and the next ranked player is 28?! Interesting.


I'm a Northwestern alum and follow all sports. I wouldn't put too much into the individual rankings at this point in the season. NU is VERY deep and have 2 top 10 quality players and 4 legit top 40 or 50 players. And, I'm basing that on last year. Nos. 3 could even be better (in the 20s or 30s). Basically, everyone returns from a team that was ranked No. 1 for most of last season.

BUT, this is really the year they need to win the Championship. Under their current coach, they've won something like 10 or 11 Big Ten Championships in a row and been ranked in the Top 10 or 15 the entire time.

In the past 3 or 4 years, they've stepped it up a notch and been ranked in the top 5, beating a lot of higher ranked teams. Where, they used to lose in the Round of 16 in the NCAAs, they've been getting to the QFs. But, they keep on getting upset in the quarterfinals (I say upset based on ranking, but realize that the teams at the top are very close, so it's really not an upset.)

A couple of years ago they lost 4-3 to USC in the QFs. But, they probably would not have won the championship anyway.

But, last year, they lost to Cal in the QFs, who they had beat earlier in the year and who made it to the final. They were seeded No. 1.

So, everyone's back and they have another great chance. But, all the top teams are talented we'll have to see if they an put it together in the spring.

bluetrain4
01-09-2009, 12:42 AM
ehh i dont know how stacked they are, but they're solid....the 4 that they are bringing in are all decent players, but no standout star. schanerman and balaji have great, hard-hitting singles games, but i saw them lose a disappointing doubles match at winter nationals to siow-mkrtchian....it wasn't even close. jackman and wolf are solid too, but i cant see any of them breaking the top of the line-up freshman year.

The new players don't have to do much this year. NU returns all 6 starters from last year (or at least 5 of the 6).

kctennis1005
01-09-2009, 03:01 AM
The new players don't have to do much this year. NU returns all 6 starters from last year (or at least 5 of the 6).

the new players will be there in the fall of 2009....northwestern has never really held a big roster until this year...always 8 players or so before this year...they recruited i believe 4 last year and 4 this year so the new coach, coach swan, must want a bigger roster.

Fedace
01-09-2009, 03:03 AM
Clayton, Klahn, and Thacher could go undefeated this year on their way to the championships. Look for Stanford to have a undefeated season just as illinois had done.

kctennis1005
01-09-2009, 03:10 AM
Clayton, Klahn, and Thacher could go undefeated this year on their way to the championships. Look for Stanford to have a undefeated season just as illinois had done.

ehh fedace i know your a big stanford fan, but i dont see that happening. they have lots of talent at the top but some other teams have much better depth....ohio state and ucla both look extremely deep.

Fedace
01-09-2009, 03:14 AM
I have talked to Dick Gould during winter break and he feels that Stanford is coming into the season with one of the strongest teams in a while.
As for my Personal opinion, i think UCLA and Ohio state has no-one that can match up. Who does Ohio state have ??? Justin Kronage or that skinny little guy ??? they will both be blown off the courts by either Thacher, Klahn or Clayton. i am pretty certain of this.

kctennis1005
01-09-2009, 03:30 AM
I have talked to Dick Gould during winter break and he feels that Stanford is coming into the season with one of the strongest teams in a while.
As for my Personal opinion, i think UCLA and Ohio state has no-one that can match up. Who does Ohio state have ??? Justin Kronage or that skinny little guy ??? they will both be blown off the courts by either Thacher, Klahn or Clayton. i am pretty certain of this.

i dont doubt that those 3 will do quite well....klahn playing high in the line-up is a little worrisome because he's not the biggest guy and doesn't overpower opponents. its what is after those 3 that might not do as well....ucla is deep this year having added brooklyn and two other solid foreign players i believe. clayton will have a tough time with koniecko at osu too.

Fedace
01-09-2009, 03:47 AM
i dont doubt that those 3 will do quite well....klahn playing high in the line-up is a little worrisome because he's not the biggest guy and doesn't overpower opponents. its what is after those 3 that might not do as well....ucla is deep this year having added brooklyn and two other solid foreign players i believe. clayton will have a tough time with koniecko at osu too.

Clayton vs Koniecko, i would predict Clayton win 6-4 6-4. Bryan is a very quick solid player but has no weapons and Alex would eat up Koniecko's weak 2nd serves. and the big serves of Alex would win him easy points.
and as far as Klahn,,,he would do very well. he has proven that he can beat bigger guys. and as far as bottom 3 or 4. well,,, you have Rich Wire who played #1 spot couple of years back and did well. and you have Hirschman who has been rated in top of Junior ranks and can hit with guys like Koniecko.
NEED I SAY MORE ???

kctennis1005
01-09-2009, 03:50 AM
Clayton vs Koniecko, i would predict Clayton win 6-4 6-4. Bryan is a very quick solid player but has no weapons and Alex would eat up Koniecko's weak 2nd serves. and the big serves of Alex would win him easy points.
and as far as Klahn,,,he would do very well. he has proven that he can beat bigger guys. and as far as bottom 3 or 4. well,,, you have Rich Wire who played #1 spot couple of years back and did well. and you have Hirschman who has been rated in top of Junior ranks and can hit with guys like Koniecko.
NEED I SAY MORE ???

wire got hurt and never quite returned to top form....definitely beatable for the bottom of other top 10 schools line-ups.....hirshman is an interesting player cuz he has the ugliest strokes i have ever seen, yet does not ever miss.....if someone knows how to play him the right way he's very beatable.....obviously your biased towards stanford and i think they'll do better than last year when they dropped down to 40, but i dont see them in the top 5 ever this season.

kctennis1005
01-09-2009, 03:51 AM
fedace, u know anything about one of their recruits this year named samuel ecker? he's a 3-star so i was just wondering if maybe u had an inside scoop on why he was recruited.

Fedace
01-09-2009, 04:02 AM
^^Not sure, i can ask Coach Whit if it is something you are curious about. but here is the press release on 3 new recruits for the 2013 class. Full of talent. could be a Dynasty.

Head men's tennis coach John Whitlinger has announced the names of three exceptional junior tennis players that will be joining his squad for the 2009-2010 season. Californians Denis Lin and Walker Kehrer, along with New York's Matt Kandath, have signed their National Letters of Intent and will be attending Stanford as part of the class of 2013.

Fedace
01-09-2009, 04:04 AM
wire got hurt and never quite returned to top form....definitely beatable for the bottom of other top 10 schools line-ups.....hirshman is an interesting player cuz he has the ugliest strokes i have ever seen, yet does not ever miss.....if someone knows how to play him the right way he's very beatable.....obviously your biased towards stanford and i think they'll do better than last year when they dropped down to 40, but i dont see them in the top 5 ever this season.

Wire can still play. Trust me on this. if he plays #4 or 5 spot, he will win virtually 99% of the time. and Stanford has also improved their doubles play a great deal. look for them to dominate the doubles point as well.:)

kctennis1005
01-09-2009, 04:11 AM
^^Not sure, i can ask Coach Whit if it is something you are curious about. but here is the press release on 3 new recruits for the 2013 class. Full of talent. could be a Dynasty.

Head men's tennis coach John Whitlinger has announced the names of three exceptional junior tennis players that will be joining his squad for the 2009-2010 season. Californians Denis Lin and Walker Kehrer, along with New York's Matt Kandath, have signed their National Letters of Intent and will be attending Stanford as part of the class of 2013.

ya if u talk to coach whit ask him cuz im sure lots of ppl on the forum are curious. i played ecker in copper bowl and beat him 6-3, 6-3 and he said he was recruited by stanford and they helped him in....dont really know why they would tho for someone ranked as low as him....its not like hes a doubles specialist or a big guy either.

Joeyg
01-09-2009, 04:56 AM
"I talked to Coach Gould". Yeah, right!! I believe that!

LSStringing
01-09-2009, 06:11 AM
So does that mean Coach Gould released the "restraining order"?

Sorry, couldn't pass that one up...

jaggy
01-09-2009, 07:04 AM
Ohio State is stacked but I dont see them winning it, they will choke.

eeytennis
01-09-2009, 10:53 AM
Ohio State is stacked but I dont see them winning it, they will choke.

We will see...unfortunately at the top there is only one way to go and that's down. They really dominated the ITA ******* Regional tournament so it will be interesting to see how they do as a team and not individually. If I had to place a bet on the winner though, it would be Ohio State.

SoCal10s
01-09-2009, 11:15 AM
^^Not sure, i can ask Coach Whit if it is something you are curious about. but here is the press release on 3 new recruits for the 2013 class. Full of talent. could be a Dynasty.

Head men's tennis coach John Whitlinger has announced the names of three exceptional junior tennis players that will be joining his squad for the 2009-2010 season. Californians Denis Lin and Walker Kehrer, along with New York's Matt Kandath, have signed their National Letters of Intent and will be attending Stanford as part of the class of 2013.

Is this a TYPO... 2013??? they are in now or waiting for 2013?

JLyon
01-09-2009, 12:03 PM
wow so somehow Stanford is better than OSU even though the Buckeyes have 3 guys in the Top 10. Keep dreaming. Probably will come down to UCLA, Texas, and Ohio State in the end.

JLyon
01-09-2009, 12:03 PM
Is this a TYPO... 2013??? they are in now or waiting for 2013?

Graduating class of 2013 from Stanford.

bluetrain4
01-09-2009, 12:55 PM
the new players will be there in the fall of 2009....northwestern has never really held a big roster until this year...always 8 players or so before this year...they recruited i believe 4 last year and 4 this year so the new coach, coach swan, must want a bigger roster.


NU has a new coach? I had no idea that Claire Pollard left. It seemed like she had her dream job. I wonder if she went back to England?

bluetrain4
01-09-2009, 01:01 PM
NU has a new coach? I had no idea that Claire Pollard left. It seemed like she had her dream job. I wonder if she went back to England?

I see what happened. I was talking about the womens' team, you were talking about the mens' team. The men used to be pretty good (top 25 at least) when I was at NU from 1991-1995. They had dropped off, but they seem to be coming back strong.

racingdad23
01-12-2009, 05:16 PM
3. US tennis WILL NOT be helped by limiting foreign players at college. American tennis will be helped by Americans improving the level of their play so that their own colleges/universities recruit them before looking overseas. American tennis will be helped by competing against the very best players - which is exactly what foreigner players allow. Blaming international recruiting is for the feeble-minded.



Well here is my feeble minded opinion....

Maybe we can get our US players to continue to concentrate solely on Tennis full-time for 2-3 yrs immediately "after" high school graduation or play lower level pro. Then when they are then 20-21 years old and grown men instead of boys we can enroll them as college freshmen...maybe then we will be competitive with the foreign players...

The recruiting field is not level at all. That is why foriegn players are recruited. They are bigger, stronger, older and more experienced...and not 17 yrs old.

How many 15 yr old players are competitive in USTA B18s? We see a few...precious few gifted 15 year olds that can compete with bigger, stronger, older and more experienced players. Its the same thing. American Tennis cannot develop a player to compete with this. Public Universities that are funded by American Taxpayer monies should be available to American Citizens. Let the foreign players play, but do it as a non-scholarship walk-ons.

I'd love to see my kid play D1 Tennis and stay close to home but the Big 12 is one of the worst when it comes to not recruiting homegrown talent. As things are now if he wants to stay close to home its gotta be D2 or D3

I fully support any action towards NCAA Tennis recruiting reform. My email is on my profile and I'm willing to join any group that wants to make a concentrated effort to make our concerns considered by the NCAA.

EPaps
01-12-2009, 06:05 PM
Some interesting choices in the first men's rankings (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_1_6_09.htm).

I HATE Ohio State.

tennismom42
01-12-2009, 07:28 PM
Some interesting choices in the first men's rankings (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_1_6_09.htm).
Did anyone read that STATISTICS-packed article on TRN today? I thought it was very impressive!

It's titled, "Ranking Redux." It compares, "junior rankings - and how they correlate with performance in college."

As quoted from Tennis Recruiting.net, by Marc Lucero.

Fedace
01-14-2009, 07:57 PM
Here is the link to the Stanford tennis team photos for 09 season. These guys will be feared throughout NCAA division 1.

http://www.stanfordphoto.com/albums.php?albumId=51332

tennismom42
01-14-2009, 08:01 PM
Here is the link to the Stanford tennis team photos for 09 season. These guys will be feared throughout NCAA division 1.

http://www.stanfordphoto.com/albums.php?albumId=51332
How is Zeller doing? What an intelligent young man! He use to tolerate my kid.

Fedace
01-14-2009, 09:09 PM
How is Zeller doing? What an intelligent young man! He use to tolerate my kid.

I don't know him too well. He seems like a nice kid. I like to see him play more, but he isn't one of the elite 6, so he is used only sparingly by coach Whitlinger. :)

Fedace
01-14-2009, 09:12 PM
New press release by Stanford men's team below:

STANFORD, Calif. - The No. 12 Stanford men's tennis team will begin spring action this coming weekend as it will head to Thousand Oaks, Calif. for the annual Sherwood Cup. Eight players are slated to suit up for the Cardinal in both single and doubles competition beginning on Friday, Jan. 16.

Draws for the tournament have yet to be completed, but Stanford plans on entering four tandems in doubles competition and all eight players in the singles table.

As of 1 p.m. Wednesday, the doubles teams are as follows: Matt Bruch-Ryan Thacher; Alex Clayton-Bradley Klahn, Ted Kelly-Greg Hirshman; Richard Wire-Blake Muller.

The Cardinal boasts three ranked singles players in No. 16 Klahn, No. 33 Clayton, and No. 62 Wire.

It looks like Unbeatable doubles pairings. Looks like it will be a Clean sweep for stanford this weekend at the Sherwood cup...

Fedace
01-15-2009, 07:11 AM
Pics of Ryan Thacher, soon to be the STAR of Stanford tennis and perhaps in coming years, Star of ATP tour as well...

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s148/anselon7/md_Thacher102808_04DG.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s148/anselon7/md_Thacher102808_02DG.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s148/anselon7/md_Thacher102808_01DG.jpg

Lindsay
01-15-2009, 08:05 AM
Well if you say so Fedace. I guess they've already got the NCAAs in the bag because of those pictures.

Bad news for OSU and Texas, the signing of US #1 Devin Britton and 2 ATP ranked German twins to start in the spring at already #9 Ole Miss.

Fedace
01-15-2009, 08:11 AM
Well if you say so Fedace. I guess they've already got the NCAAs in the bag because of those pictures.

Bad news for OSU and Texas, the signing of US #1 Devin Britton and 2 ATP ranked German twins to start in the spring at already #9 Ole Miss.

^^I think Ryan Thacher will take out Devin with no problems. Ryan was one of the most heavily recruited Juniors in 08. He reached the Semifinals of Kalamazoo event. He only lost cause his back was bothering him. :)

Lindsay
01-15-2009, 08:40 AM
^^I think Ryan Thacher will take out Devin with no problems. Ryan was one of the most heavily recruited Juniors in 08. He reached the Semifinals of Kalamazoo event. He only lost cause his back was bothering him. :)

well since you so so, i guess its lucky for ole miss that they wont get to play each other in the regular season. and lord knows stanford wont advance far enough in the ncaas to play them either.

NickC
01-15-2009, 09:37 AM
He reached the Semifinals of Kalamazoo event.

Hmmm, what seems like a better achievement? Reaching the semis of a USTA Supernationals, or reaching the finals of a Junior Grand Slam? Tough call, eh?

Actually, it's not. Fedace, you're a ******. You need to find a life and find a brain.

Fedace
01-15-2009, 10:49 AM
Hmmm, what seems like a better achievement? Reaching the semis of a USTA Supernationals, or reaching the finals of a Junior Grand Slam? Tough call, eh?

Actually, it's not. Fedace, you're a ******. You need to find a life and find a brain.

LMAO,,,,,we will see who wins if Stanford meets Ole Miss in NCAA. could meet each other in the Quarters or Semis. should be a good one.:)

NickC
01-15-2009, 03:10 PM
LMAO,,,,,we will see who wins if Stanford meets Ole Miss in NCAA. could meet each other in the Quarters or Semis. should be a good one.:)

That has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. You said that, on the basis of achievement (with your boy Thatcher reaching a semis of a National event), that he'd beat another person, who reached the finals of an international junior grand slam. So, going by your logic, that kid from Ole Miss should wipe the floor easily with your boy Thatcher.

Hold your logic to the same standards you yourself practice. It's about consistency, you idiot.

Fedace
01-15-2009, 03:14 PM
That has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. You said that, on the basis of achievement (with your boy Thatcher reaching a semis of a National event), that he'd beat another person, who reached the finals of an international junior grand slam. So, going by your logic, that kid from Ole Miss should wipe the floor easily with your boy Thatcher.

Hold your logic to the same standards you yourself practice. It's about consistency, you idiot.

You keep on with insults. you will go on my ignore list. I will tolerate your posts and respond if you prove to have good manners but if not, it is time to go on my ignore list.
and as far as the previous record of each player, Thacher didn't perform as well in the slams cause his career had been affected by his back injury. If you just talk talent, he is as good as any Junior in his class.

socaltennnis
01-15-2009, 03:25 PM
and as far as the previous record of each player, Thacher didn't perform as well in the slams cause his career had been affected by his back injury. If you just talk talent, he is as good as any Junior in his class.

dude, stop making stuff up. You don't know anything about how long he's had his back injuries or how they have affected his career. stop acting like you have 'inside connections' and just act like the rest of us... tennis fans. if u did have inside connections, even then, nobody on their team would want you to even talk about them on an internet forum like this.

Fedace
01-15-2009, 03:31 PM
dude, stop making stuff up. You don't know anything about how long he's had his back injuries or how they have affected his career. stop acting like you have 'inside connections' and just act like the rest of us... tennis fans. if u did have inside connections, even then, nobody on their team would want you to even talk about them on an internet forum like this.

LOL...i only talk about things that are well known all over the Junior ranks. Thacher's back injuries and problems had been on the Newspapers. It is NO big secret. Like Nadal's knee injuries, it is a well known fact.

NickC
01-15-2009, 04:30 PM
LOL...i only talk about things that are well known all over the Junior ranks. Thacher's back injuries and problems had been on the Newspapers. It is NO big secret. Like Nadal's knee injuries, it is a well known fact.

Again, you completely miss the point of my post.

And what's more well known in junior tennis than appearing in a junior slam final?

NickC
01-15-2009, 04:32 PM
You keep on with insults. you will go on my ignore list. I will tolerate your posts and respond if you prove to have good manners but if not, it is time to go on my ignore list.

Ad hominem.

For the record, calling you out on your "inside information" and showing you the value of logic isn't considered an insult. It's called reality.

Joeyg
01-15-2009, 04:35 PM
Hey Nick,

If Dr. Fedace puts you on his "ignore" list, consider it a true badge of honor. I know, I was the first! I just couldn't stand by and let him spout off his BS any longer and started calling him on all of his phony stories and claims.

NickC
01-15-2009, 04:39 PM
Hey Nick,

If Dr. Fedace puts you on his "ignore" list, consider it a true badge of honor. I know, I was the first! I just couldn't stand by and let him spout off his BS any longer and started calling him on all of his phony stories and claims.

So even though his list doesn't exist, does that mean I can lay into him in a more truthful way than I have been? Or would telling the 100% truth kill the poor kid?

And how is he going to get his daily dose of logic?

socaltennnis
01-15-2009, 09:12 PM
LOL...i only talk about things that are well known all over the Junior ranks. Thacher's back injuries and problems had been on the Newspapers. It is NO big secret. Like Nadal's knee injuries, it is a well known fact.

like i was saying, the injury still has nothing to do with why he didn't play junior grand slams except for the US... or why he didn't play many far away ITF and USTA tournaments for that matter.

T10s747
01-16-2009, 06:35 AM
Thatcher isn't like the other juniors, he's smarter than most of them. He's always had as his intention attending college. He wasn't going to waste his time chasing false gods in the ITF rankings. The USTA knew this so therefore never offered him the wild cards that he deserved. Some years, he didn't play the US Junior Open qualies when the kids he had mopped up in nationals were getting wild cards into the junior main draw because the USTA thought there was a chance for those kids to go pro. He has more potential on the tour than Britton, IMHO.

Fedace
01-17-2009, 03:56 PM
Thacher lost yesterday in the Sherwood cup.. Don't think he is still at 100% yet. We will see how he progresses as the season goes along...

NickC
01-17-2009, 04:24 PM
Thacher lost yesterday in the Sherwood cup.. Don't think he is still at 100% yet. We will see how he progresses as the season goes along...

He lost. He's not god's gift to tennis, so deal with it. Stanford isn't the best college tennis team in the country. Deal with it.

EPaps
01-17-2009, 05:05 PM
Ohio State is stacked but I dont see them winning it, they will choke.

Yes, they have a tendency to do that in all sports.

ClarkC
01-18-2009, 05:50 PM
Thacher lost yesterday in the Sherwood cup.. Don't think he is still at 100% yet. We will see how he progresses as the season goes along...

Meanwhile, Devin Britton upset Nate Schnugg of Georgia in the SEC Indoors. Schnugg was the #2 ranked player in the SEC.

OleNole
01-19-2009, 09:07 AM
I agree with fedace that Thacher had a better junior career than Britton, particularly with all his success at the zoo, but Britton is on a roll right now.
As far as the national championship, I'd rank what I see as the main contenders as follows (current ntl. ranking)
1. Ohio State (1)
2. UCLA (4)
3. Ole Miss (9)
4. Virginia (5)
5. Texas (2)
6. Tennessee (8 )
7. Georgia (3)
I would be very surprised if someone other than these 7 teams won the championship.
The SEC is loaded. Michael Venus, who is in my opinion the best player in the country, would do well to lead his team to fifth place in the conference.

Fedace
01-19-2009, 01:55 PM
Meanwhile, Devin Britton upset Nate Schnugg of Georgia in the SEC Indoors. Schnugg was the #2 ranked player in the SEC.

Don't worry Clark. Alex Clayton is in the Finals of Sherwood cup. He will play Robert Farah who is ranked #7 in the nation. Should be a easy win for Alex.:)

kctennis1005
01-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Don't worry Clark. Alex Clayton is in the Finals of Sherwood cup. He will play Robert Farah who is ranked #7 in the nation. Should be a easy win for Alex.:)

ur boy clayton just lost to farah 7-5, 6-2

a-naik.1
01-19-2009, 07:20 PM
I've had the awesome opportunity to hit against Konieko...he is crazy good...he only hit heavy balls against me, but I dont think he was playing seriously..lol

Fedace
01-19-2009, 08:43 PM
Singles Final
# 7 Robert Farah (USC) d. #33 Alex Clayton; 7-5, 6-2

Doubles Final
Richard Wire / Blake Muller d. #2 Robert Farah / Steve Johnson (USC), 8-4


New Bryan bros have been Born. Wire/Muller pair has beaten the #2 doubles team in the nation. This pretty much makes them the best doubles team in the country.....Way to go guys...

Fedace
01-19-2009, 08:44 PM
I've had the awesome opportunity to hit against Konieko...he is crazy good...he only hit heavy balls against me, but I dont think he was playing seriously..lol

He has a very powerful forehand for a skinny dude. Does he not remind you of next door nerd boy ???:)

a-naik.1
01-19-2009, 09:12 PM
yea...when my coach said i was playing someone that was under 5'10" and weighed under 150lbs...i was like let the slaughter begin...but damn he was good...

kctennis1005
01-19-2009, 09:46 PM
Singles Final
# 7 Robert Farah (USC) d. #33 Alex Clayton; 7-5, 6-2

Doubles Final
Richard Wire / Blake Muller d. #2 Robert Farah / Steve Johnson (USC), 8-4


New Bryan bros have been Born. Wire/Muller pair has beaten the #2 doubles team in the nation. This pretty much makes them the best doubles team in the country.....Way to go guys...

....i think beating the #1 team in the nation would make them the best doubles team in the nation. i would have thought they taught u that at stanford. guess not

Fedace
01-19-2009, 09:52 PM
....i think beating the #1 team in the nation would make them the best doubles team in the nation. i would have thought they taught u that at stanford. guess not

Actually in college ranks, many consider Farah/Johnson to be the best doubles team in division 1 tennis, despite their #2 ranking.:)

Fedace
01-19-2009, 09:54 PM
yea...when my coach said i was playing someone that was under 5'10" and weighed under 150lbs...i was like let the slaughter begin...but damn he was good...

Did you know that he has a Black Belt in kickboxing. he is a deadly weapon,,don't let the looks fool you.:shock:

kctennis1005
01-19-2009, 09:58 PM
Actually in college ranks, many consider Farah/Johnson to be the best doubles team in division 1 tennis, despite their #2 ranking.:)

well i think the rankings would know best.....im a huge usc fan and think farah/johnson prob are the best, but the rankings say theres one team better.

Fedace
01-19-2009, 10:12 PM
well i think the rankings would know best.....im a huge usc fan and think farah/johnson prob are the best, but the rankings say theres one team better.

You know the Rankings don't mean anything right now. You don't think Alex Clayton is really #33 in the country, do you ??? He is still one of the top 5 players in division 1. and yes, you are right, there is one team better than the USC pair,,,it is Wire/Muller.:)

a-naik.1
01-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Did you know that he has a Black Belt in kickboxing. he is a deadly weapon,,don't let the looks fool you.:shock:

yeah, i knew that...but i say the nerdy kids usually are the most dangerous because they know how to "channel their energy."

kctennis1005
01-19-2009, 10:23 PM
You know the Rankings don't mean anything right now. You don't think Alex Clayton is really #33 in the country, do you ??? He is still one of the top 5 players in division 1. and yes, you are right, there is one team better than the USC pair,,,it is Wire/Muller.:)

where did u get that johnson/farah are #2? on collegetennisonline.com it shows them as #11 and that was from september. are there more recent rankings?

a-naik.1
01-19-2009, 10:26 PM
where did u get that johnson/farah are #2? on collegetennisonline.com it shows them as #11 and that was from september. are there more recent rankings?

yea..there are january rankings somewhere...but i dont know if johnson/farah are #2 or not.

EDIT:
Here it is...they are #2
http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_Doubles_Rankings_1_6_09.htm

Fedace
01-19-2009, 10:47 PM
yea..there are january rankings somewhere...but i dont know if johnson/farah are #2 or not.

EDIT:
Here it is...they are #2
http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_Doubles_Rankings_1_6_09.htm

So what happens to their ranking now ? does this move them down, now that they lost in the finals to a pair that is ranked way below them ??

a-naik.1
01-19-2009, 10:52 PM
imo, they probably should and will be...similar to how rankings work in most college sports..

LSStringing
01-20-2009, 04:53 AM
You know the Rankings don't mean anything right now. You don't think Alex Clayton is really #33 in the country, do you ??? He is still one of the top 5 players in division 1. and yes, you are right, there is one team better than the USC pair,,,it is Wire/Muller.:)

If rankings mean nothing, then Wire/Mueller's win means nothing. Fedace you kill me. Do you contradict yourself in your head as much as you do on these boards? Clayton's good, but not a national contender at the moment, after all, it wasn't the NCAAS, it was a tournament at Stanford And your boy Klahn isn't any better. Rankings prove it, results prove it, what else do you need? Oh, I guess since YOU say they're the best even though their results don't back it up, I guess they are.

NickC
01-20-2009, 07:15 AM
If rankings mean nothing, then Wire/Mueller's win means nothing. Fedace you kill me. Do you contradict yourself in your head as much as you do on these boards? Clayton's good, but not a national contender at the moment, after all, it wasn't the NCAAS, it was a tournament at Stanford And your boy Klahn isn't any better. Rankings prove it, results prove it, what else do you need? Oh, I guess since YOU say they're the best even though their results don't back it up, I guess they are.

Don't try to provide him with logic. He won't understand it, as he doesn't know how to think properly.

TourTenor
01-20-2009, 08:51 AM
Oh yeah, "the Fedace Curse" gets Clayton again! (ever since Fedace put Alex Clayton in his avatar AC has been jinxed :twisted:) Fee, suggested putting Alex in our avatars to counteract the curse. So, I'm giving it a go for a while. Anyone else in?

Joeyg
01-20-2009, 09:45 AM
Sorry. Neither the time, talent or inclination.

Fedace
01-20-2009, 09:51 AM
at
Ohio StateDay: Sunday
Date: Jan. 25, 2009
Location: Seattle, Wash.
Time: 12:00 p.m. PT

Coverage

Make sure you guys watch this LIVE on video feed from washington. should be a good one.

http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/sched/wash-m-tennis-sched.html

Fedace
01-20-2009, 01:08 PM
Nice Practice going on in Stanford. Women's team practicing on court #1 to #3. I think some of actual lesson is going on here with drills.
http://gostanford.cstv.com/livestats/tennis/StanfordTennis.html

NickC
01-20-2009, 04:19 PM
at
Ohio StateDay: Sunday
Date: Jan. 25, 2009
Location: Seattle, Wash.
Time: 12:00 p.m. PT

Coverage

Make sure you guys watch this LIVE on video feed from washington. should be a good one.

http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/sched/wash-m-tennis-sched.html

Can't wait to see Stanford get demolished. If they loose, will you quit posting?



And I'm still waiting for an apology from the "Tomic vs. Starace" thread.

LSStringing
01-20-2009, 04:41 PM
Can't wait to see Stanford get demolished. If they loose, will you quit posting?



And I'm still waiting for an apology from the "Tomic vs. Starace" thread.


Its not Stanford vs. Washington. Its Ohio State vs. Washington. And I don't know why Fedace put this up, its #1 OSU vs. #34. Washington has NO ranked singles or doubles players as of today. And OSU has 5 ranked singles players and 3 ranked doubles teams. I guess Fedace will consider it a success for Washington if they walk away with a few games. Fedace, why do you think this will be so darn interesting?

weaver
01-20-2009, 08:33 PM
i get to see how "awesome" Stanford is this friday.

Fedace
01-20-2009, 08:37 PM
i get to see how "awesome" Stanford is this friday.

Stanford in a blowout win 7-0.

weaver
01-20-2009, 10:10 PM
Stanford in a blowout win 7-0.

lol. i already expect it... Last year was very surprising when SMC won the doubles point...

Fedace
01-21-2009, 05:21 AM
lol. i already expect it... Last year was very surprising when SMC won the doubles point...

It is going to be difficult with work and all. but i am going to try to see some of the match this friday on Webcam. Maybe i will catch the tail end of it, if the guys can take their time and not win too quickly...:)
Who has a bigger forehand, Clayton or Thacher ?

ClarkC
01-21-2009, 07:10 AM
well i think the rankings would know best.....im a huge usc fan and think farah/johnson prob are the best, but the rankings say theres one team better.

Yes, but that one team (from Ole Miss) was upset in the SEC Indoors last weekend, so who knows what the next rankings will look like?

Meanwhile, UCLA coach Billy Martin has added some fuel to Fedace's fire by listing Stanford ahead of USC (http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/011409aac.html) as their primary competition for the Pac-10 title.

Fedace
01-21-2009, 09:33 AM
Yes, but that one team (from Ole Miss) was upset in the SEC Indoors last weekend, so who knows what the next rankings will look like?

Meanwhile, UCLA coach Billy Martin has added some fuel to Fedace's fire by listing Stanford ahead of USC (http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/011409aac.html) as their primary competition for the Pac-10 title.

He is a smart man. I fully expect Stanford win 5-2 over UCLA this season when they meet. With the lineup that includes Clayton, Thacher, Klahn, Bruch, Wire, Hirschman and Muller, it sends a clear message. Best all around lineup in Division 1 including Doubles.:)

ClarkC
01-21-2009, 10:23 AM
I noticed that Bruch did not play against Hawaii. Still having injury problems? What is the prognosis?

Fedace
01-21-2009, 11:47 AM
Bruch played in Sherwood cup. He is looking better everyday. soon he will be back to his old self. then Stanford could potentially have 4 guys in top 10.

NickC
01-22-2009, 07:41 AM
Bruch played in Sherwood cup. He is looking better everyday. soon he will be back to his old self. then Stanford could potentially have 4 guys in top 10.

There's only one guy from "Standford" in the Top 10. Having another one makes two, not four.

1+1 DOES NOT equal 4. It equals 2.

LSStringing
01-22-2009, 07:54 AM
There's only one guy from "Standford" in the Top 10. Having another one makes two, not four.

1+1 DOES NOT equal 4. It equals 2.

You guys all suck at math. Stanford has NOBODY in the top 10.

NickC
01-22-2009, 09:28 AM
You guys all suck at math. Stanford has NOBODY in the top 10.

I didn't check, I just went by word of mouth that there was one guy in the top 10. I just checked and I was wrong. "Standford" only have one guy in the top 20!

Fedace
01-23-2009, 06:17 PM
Great match this sunday.... you can watch a premium quality live stream feed from Washington Huskies indoor courts vs #1 Ohio state. Hope the Huskies pull off an upset..
http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/sched/wash-m-tennis-sched.html

ClarkC
01-23-2009, 06:38 PM
[#5] Virginia 6, [#15] Illinois 1

Illinois won two tiebreakers and a super-breaker and lost every other set.

Very strong showing from Virginia (http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=88813&SPID=10610&DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=3653121).

NickC
01-23-2009, 08:26 PM
Great match this sunday.... you can watch a premium quality live stream feed from Washington Huskies indoor courts vs #1 Ohio state. Hope the Huskies pull off an upset..
http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/sched/wash-m-tennis-sched.html

They're not in the top 25. Ohio is. Who do you honestly think will win? Certainly Ohio, but then again, you lack a brain.

kctennis1005
01-23-2009, 09:45 PM
im going to the usc v. sacramento st match tomorrow....ill post what i see after the match tomorrow.....

Fedace
01-25-2009, 06:41 AM
im going to the usc v. sacramento st match tomorrow....ill post what i see after the match tomorrow.....

Is USC's live video feeds working now ? it was down towards the end of the season last year.

Fedace
01-25-2009, 06:47 AM
They're not in the top 25. Ohio is. Who do you honestly think will win? Certainly Ohio, but then again, you lack a brain.

They play at 12pm pacific time. they have an outside chance. huskies are well coached team. and stop drinking that tap water down there, it is decreasing your brain cell, whatever that is left of them.:)

LSStringing
01-25-2009, 07:27 AM
An outside chance? I guess that is true...if Coach Tucker leaves Brian, Justin and Steven M. back in Ohio, then Washington does have an outside chance...with that good coaching that they have.

ihearit1st
01-25-2009, 09:21 AM
Ouch, OWNED!

Fedace
01-25-2009, 09:26 AM
Just watch and enjoy some of the best tennis in NCAA division 1, that is all. Ohio state isn't as good as advertised. there is noon on the squad that is good enough to go pro.

NickC
01-25-2009, 10:00 AM
They play at 12pm pacific time. they have an outside chance. huskies are well coached team. and stop drinking that tap water down there, it is decreasing your brain cell, whatever that is left of them.:)

If you could speak proper English, I'd consider this a half-decent attempt at an insult. Unfortunately, that simply isn't the case.

Fedace
01-25-2009, 10:51 AM
Washington Huskies against #1 Ohio state, on NOW... go Huskies.
http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/wash-m-tennis-body.html

ClarkC
01-25-2009, 04:31 PM
Ohio State won 6-1. Recap (http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/012509aaa.html)from Huskies site.

Fedace
01-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Ohio State won 6-1. Recap (http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/012509aaa.html)from Huskies site.

Nice playing by Ohio state. but what was wrong with that Japanese guy who lost at #4 spot. He was being attacked with chip and charge and serve and volley all day long. and had no answers..:-?

ClarkC
01-25-2009, 04:34 PM
#5 Virginia downed #30 Notre Dame 7-0 today. Recap (http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=88813&SPID=10610&DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=3654005)from Virginia site.

ihearit1st
01-25-2009, 04:58 PM
Good win to UVA. ND always has a few good hitters.

ihearit1st
01-25-2009, 04:59 PM
Nice playing by Ohio state. but what was wrong with that Japanese guy who lost at #4 spot. He was being attacked with chip and charge and serve and volley all day long. and had no answers..:-?

I wouldn't worry about 1 match. Some people have off days, and some people play very well against those players. 6-1 speaks for itself.

Joeyg
01-26-2009, 06:30 AM
"There is "noon" good enough on the squad to go pro"??? I know for a fact that noon rhymes with loon. You make your own judgements.

Fedace
01-27-2009, 06:07 PM
No. 12 Stanford 7, Sacramento State 0

DOUBLES
1) Muller/Wire (STAN) d. No. 30 Harbatsiuk/Stryhas (SAC) 8-6
2) Bruch/Thacher (STAN) d. Ching/Starcevic (SAC) 8-4
3) Clayton/Klahn (STAN) d. Roberts/Smith (SAC) 8-4
Order of Finish: 2, 3, 1

SINGLES
1) No. 33 Alex Clayton (STAN) d. Anton Stryhas (SAC) 6-4, 6-4
2) No. 16 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. Kiryl Harbatsiuk (SAC) 6-2, 6-1
3) Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. No. 114 Jason Smith (SAC) 6-4, 6-4
4) Matt Bruch (STAN) d. Holden Ching (SAC) 6-2, 6-3
* 5) No. 62 Richard Wire (STAN) d. Marko Starcevic (SAC) 7-5, 6-3
6) Blake Muller (STAN) d. Jimmy Roberts (SAC) 6-2, 6-2
* denotes clinched match point
Order of Finish: 4, 6, 5, 2, 3, 1

BLOW out win. This is scary when the lineup is so good that Gregory Hirschman can't get in the lineup.

NickC
01-27-2009, 07:25 PM
No. 12 Stanford 7, Sacramento State 0

DOUBLES
1) Muller/Wire (STAN) d. No. 30 Harbatsiuk/Stryhas (SAC) 8-6
2) Bruch/Thacher (STAN) d. Ching/Starcevic (SAC) 8-4
3) Clayton/Klahn (STAN) d. Roberts/Smith (SAC) 8-4
Order of Finish: 2, 3, 1

SINGLES
1) No. 33 Alex Clayton (STAN) d. Anton Stryhas (SAC) 6-4, 6-4
2) No. 16 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. Kiryl Harbatsiuk (SAC) 6-2, 6-1
3) Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. No. 114 Jason Smith (SAC) 6-4, 6-4
4) Matt Bruch (STAN) d. Holden Ching (SAC) 6-2, 6-3
* 5) No. 62 Richard Wire (STAN) d. Marko Starcevic (SAC) 7-5, 6-3
6) Blake Muller (STAN) d. Jimmy Roberts (SAC) 6-2, 6-2
* denotes clinched match point
Order of Finish: 4, 6, 5, 2, 3, 1

BLOW out win. This is scary when the lineup is so good that Gregory Hirschman can't get in the lineup.

Well, when the you take into consideration that their highest ranked singles player is ranked outside of the top 110 college players in the nation, and he isn't even playing first singles, and only dropped one break per set against your boy Thacher, this wasn't a blowout at all. Hell, "Standford" 's two best players only won by 2 games against their two best players. Care to explain?

kctennis1005
01-27-2009, 08:20 PM
No. 12 Stanford 7, Sacramento State 0

DOUBLES
1) Muller/Wire (STAN) d. No. 30 Harbatsiuk/Stryhas (SAC) 8-6
2) Bruch/Thacher (STAN) d. Ching/Starcevic (SAC) 8-4
3) Clayton/Klahn (STAN) d. Roberts/Smith (SAC) 8-4
Order of Finish: 2, 3, 1

SINGLES
1) No. 33 Alex Clayton (STAN) d. Anton Stryhas (SAC) 6-4, 6-4
2) No. 16 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. Kiryl Harbatsiuk (SAC) 6-2, 6-1
3) Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. No. 114 Jason Smith (SAC) 6-4, 6-4
4) Matt Bruch (STAN) d. Holden Ching (SAC) 6-2, 6-3
* 5) No. 62 Richard Wire (STAN) d. Marko Starcevic (SAC) 7-5, 6-3
6) Blake Muller (STAN) d. Jimmy Roberts (SAC) 6-2, 6-2
* denotes clinched match point
Order of Finish: 4, 6, 5, 2, 3, 1

BLOW out win. This is scary when the lineup is so good that Gregory Hirschman can't get in the lineup.

fedace, have u ever seen hirshman(if ur so big on stanford u should know how to spell his name) play before? very ugly game, just extremely quick and doesnt miss much.....hardly a game that will grow much in college, so whitlinger is probably smart playing other players who will get better.

killR4hand
01-27-2009, 09:11 PM
Stanford got 3 blue chip recruits this year...all of those girls were very good and very successful USTA players...


Stanford women underclassmen.
1. Hilary Barte
2. Lindsay Burdette
3. Courtney Clayton
4. Veronica Li
5. Carolyn McVeigh
6. Jennifer Yen
7. Logan Hansen

Recruits coming in next year.
1. Stacey Tan
2. Mallory Burdette

9 players for 8 scholarships.:confused: Anyone know who is left without a chair when the music stops?

ClarkC
01-27-2009, 09:25 PM
No. 12 Stanford 7, Sacramento State 0

Looks pretty similar to the 7-0 win by USC a few days earlier. Let's compare:



DOUBLES
1) Muller/Wire (STAN) d. No. 30 Harbatsiuk/Stryhas (SAC) 8-6
2) Bruch/Thacher (STAN) d. Ching/Starcevic (SAC) 8-4
3) Clayton/Klahn (STAN) d. Roberts/Smith (SAC) 8-4
Order of Finish: 2, 3, 1


USC beat these teams, 8-5, 8-1, and 8-7 (early tiebreaker).



SINGLES
1) No. 33 Alex Clayton (STAN) d. Anton Stryhas (SAC) 6-4, 6-4
2) No. 16 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. Kiryl Harbatsiuk (SAC) 6-2, 6-1
3) Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. No. 114 Jason Smith (SAC) 6-4, 6-4
4) Matt Bruch (STAN) d. Holden Ching (SAC) 6-2, 6-3
* 5) No. 62 Richard Wire (STAN) d. Marko Starcevic (SAC) 7-5, 6-3
6) Blake Muller (STAN) d. Jimmy Roberts (SAC) 6-2, 6-2
* denotes clinched match point
Order of Finish: 4, 6, 5, 2, 3, 1


Farah had a tougher time with Stryhas, 7-6, 7-5.
Poldma also had a tougher time at #2, 6-3, 2-6, (11-9 superbreaker)

Jason Smith played #5 against USC, so the lineup is juggled a bit.

USC beat Ching 6-1,6-1 at #3.
USC beat Starcevic 6-1,6-0 at #4.
USC beat Smith 5-7, 6-1, (16-14 superbreaker) at #5.

Joe DeGuzman played #6 instead of Jimmy Roberts and USC beat him 6-0, 6-0.

It looks like Sacramento State used the USC match to figure out that Smith needed to be higher and DeGuzman needed to move down from #6.



BLOW out win. This is scary when the lineup is so good that Gregory Hirschman can't get in the lineup.

Looks like Stanford and USC are pretty comparable. Problem there is that no one is predicting a national championship for USC, so maybe we don't want to predict one for Stanford.

OleNole
01-28-2009, 08:17 AM
Good to see a strong result from Matt Bruch. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

Fedace
02-21-2009, 05:42 PM
Stanford Continues to WIN. At this rate, they will be in Top 5 in no time.
Ryan Thacher continues to dominate and moves up to #3 singles spot. He wins in dominant fashion in both Singles and Doubles. Looks like we found a NEW STAR.


Feb. 21, 2009 - Berkeley, CA
No. 7 Stanford 5, No. 23 California 2
Doubles
1) No. 24 Chizever/Zerbini (CAL) d. No. 28 Muller/Wire (STAN) 9-7
2) Bruch/Thacher (STAN) d. Dahan/Heavey (CAL) 8-6
3) Katsarov/Stewart (CAL) d. Kelly/Klahn (STAN) 8-6
Order of finish: 3, 2, 1
Singles
1) No. 13 Alex Clayton (STAN) d. Pedro Zerbini (CAL) 6-7(5), 6-4, 6-2
2) No. 27 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. No. 88 Kallin Stewart (CAL) 6-3, 6-4
3) Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. Jonathan Dahan (CAL) 6-2, 6-3
4) Matt Bruch (STAN) d. Eoin Heavey (CAL) 2-6, 7-6(5), 6-2
5) No. 117 Richard Wire (STAN) d. Nick Andrews (CAL) 6-4, 4-6, 7-5
6) Bozhidar Katsarov (CAL) d. Blake Muller (STAN) 6-3, 6-2
Order of finish: 3, 6, 2, 4, 5*, 1

Fedace
03-08-2009, 12:46 PM
On now, Texas A&M vs Washington huskies. some highly ranked guys in this match up. Austin Krijcek, connor Pollack.

http://www.gohuskies.com/sports/m-tennis/wash-live-stats.html

Fedace
03-08-2009, 01:20 PM
Washington Huskies are about to Upset Texas a&m. winning in 5of 6 singles. what is wrong with these guys ?

Fedace
03-08-2009, 02:04 PM
Austin Krijicek, cousin of King Richard is locked up in death struggle in the 3rd set.

NickC
03-08-2009, 02:23 PM
Austin Krijicek, cousin of King Richard is locked up in death struggle in the 3rd set.

He's up a break and a hold. How that translates to a "death struggle" is beyond me. And Austin is Richard's nephew, not his cousin.

ClarkC
03-17-2009, 06:05 PM
The March 17 ITA men's team rankings (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_3_17_09.htm) are out. Virginia has stretched out its lead, but Stanford remains #2. Georgia climbs ahead of Ole Miss for #3.

ClarkC
03-25-2009, 04:43 AM
The March 24 men's team rankings (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_3_24_09.htm) are out. Ole Miss climbs to #2, Georgia stays at 3, and Stanford drops to 4. Virginia remains #1, of course.

Fedace
03-25-2009, 04:50 AM
The March 24 men's team rankings (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_3_24_09.htm) are out. Ole Miss climbs to #2, Georgia stays at 3, and Stanford drops to 4. Virginia remains #1, of course.

Virginia lost to LOWly Baylor bears, how can they be #1 ? Stanford played Baylor much tougher than Virginia did.

Lindsay
03-25-2009, 05:10 AM
Virginia lost to LOWly Baylor bears, how can they be #1 ? Stanford played Baylor much tougher than Virginia did.

WTF? Virginia did not lose to Baylor this year. Their match was cancelled.

ClarkC
03-25-2009, 08:06 AM
Virginia lost to LOWly Baylor bears, how can they be #1 ? Stanford played Baylor much tougher than Virginia did.

Yes, Stanford got 3 points vs. Baylor, while Virginia got 0 (due to rainout). :)

Fedace
03-25-2009, 08:15 AM
WTF? Virginia did not lose to Baylor this year. Their match was cancelled.

OOps, sorry, it was Virginia Tech. :???:

ClarkC
03-28-2009, 06:29 AM
Stanford, the certain national champions, lost at home 4-3 to UCLA (http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/032709aaa.html) yesterday, despite the fact that Harel Srugo is still not able to play singles for UCLA and their whole lineup has to move up as a result.

Haythem Abid of UCLA beat Alex Clayton, the best player in college tennis, at #1 singles.

hoodjem
03-28-2009, 06:38 AM
Imagine a college team, on which Jimmy Connors plays the no. 3 spot.

ClarkC
03-28-2009, 06:57 AM
Imagine a college team, on which Jimmy Connors plays the no. 3 spot.

Are you saying Connors played #3 at UCLA? If so, I would imagine that it was not for the whole season, as he won the NCAA title and turned pro after his freshman year.

Fedace
03-28-2009, 06:57 AM
Stanford, the certain national champions, lost at home 4-3 to UCLA (http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/032709aaa.html) yesterday, despite the fact that Harel Srugo is still not able to play singles for UCLA and their whole lineup has to move up as a result.

Haythem Abid of UCLA beat Alex Clayton, the best player in college tennis, at #1 singles.

Alex had a off day yesterday. and that was the difference.

ihearit1st
03-28-2009, 06:59 AM
Alex had a off day yesterday. and that was the difference.

What? He didn't have a day off......

ClarkC
03-28-2009, 05:48 PM
Stanford loses 4-3 to USC (http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/032809aab.html) today.

Robert Farah played only doubles for USC because of his back injury. Jaak Poldma had to play #1, and beat Alex Clayton.

Three straight 4-3 losses for Stanford. Three straight losses when Stanford is healthy and a key player for the other team only plays doubles and is missing from high in the singles lineup (Jordan Rux of Baylor, Harel Srugo of UCLA, and Robert Farah of USC). Three straight losses for Alex Clayton.

Stanford looks like a top 10 team, but not a top 5 team.

ClarkC
03-28-2009, 05:55 PM
In defense of Alex Clayton, the story does say he rolled his ankle in the first game of the singles match and took a medical timeout at that point.

Still, with the whole USC singles lineup playing up one spot, Stanford could forfeit #1 and should still win if they are national title caliber.

Stanford is spotting most opponents a 2-0 lead. They lose the doubles point to lots of good opponents, and #6 singles also. That is a lot to overcome. If they don't get a win out of Clayton at #1, they have to win ALL of the 2-5 matches to escape a dual match against a good opponent. Occasionally they might win the doubles point or at #6, but not often enough to be a contender in a tough tournament.

Fedace
03-29-2009, 03:30 PM
Don't worry, Alex will shine in May when he wins the NCAA individual championships. and go on to make the Semis of US open in september.

ihearit1st
03-29-2009, 03:54 PM
Don't worry, Alex will shine in May when he wins the NCAA individual championships. and go on to make the Semis of US open in september.

why just the semis?

NickC
03-29-2009, 04:59 PM
Don't worry, Alex will shine in May when he wins the NCAA individual championships. and go on to make the Semis of US open in september.

I'm going to quote you on that.

How about if he fails to do both (considering he'd win NCAAs, which won't happen, AND he'll have to beat a top 10 ATP player to reach the USO semis), you leave these boards for good?

Fedace
03-29-2009, 06:51 PM
I'm going to quote you on that.

How about if he fails to do both (considering he'd win NCAAs, which won't happen, AND he'll have to beat a top 10 ATP player to reach the USO semis), you leave these boards for good?

NO, cause i am waiting for the day that you will be banned which will be real soon....:)

woodrow1029
03-29-2009, 07:00 PM
In defense of Alex Clayton, the story does say he rolled his ankle in the first game of the singles match and took a medical timeout at that point.

Still, with the whole USC singles lineup playing up one spot, Stanford could forfeit #1 and should still win if they are national title caliber.

Stanford is spotting most opponents a 2-0 lead. They lose the doubles point to lots of good opponents, and #6 singles also. That is a lot to overcome. If they don't get a win out of Clayton at #1, they have to win ALL of the 2-5 matches to escape a dual match against a good opponent. Occasionally they might win the doubles point or at #6, but not often enough to be a contender in a tough tournament.
It was actually even on the first point of the match.

woodrow1029
03-29-2009, 07:02 PM
Bruch came back from 5-2 with 2 breaks down in the third set to win his match and put Stanford back in position. Thacher just came up a bit short at #3 in the end.

Fedace
03-29-2009, 07:03 PM
In defense of Alex Clayton, the story does say he rolled his ankle in the first game of the singles match and took a medical timeout at that point.

Still, with the whole USC singles lineup playing up one spot, Stanford could forfeit #1 and should still win if they are national title caliber.

Stanford is spotting most opponents a 2-0 lead. They lose the doubles point to lots of good opponents, and #6 singles also. That is a lot to overcome. If they don't get a win out of Clayton at #1, they have to win ALL of the 2-5 matches to escape a dual match against a good opponent. Occasionally they might win the doubles point or at #6, but not often enough to be a contender in a tough tournament.

Doubles is not as bad as it looks. This is actually one of the better doubles teams in the nation. I am not sure why Coach Whit switched up the teams. It was working fine with Bruch and Thacher at #2 and Wire and Muller at #1 position. Wire and Kelly right now at #3 isn't working at all.

NickC
03-29-2009, 08:36 PM
NO, cause i am waiting for the day that you will be banned which will be real soon....:)

Putting logic and making you back up your claims (and stick to them) isn't exactly ban-worthy. It's as simple as me asking you to back up your claims and stop making outlandish, obnoxious, and downright stupid posts.

TourTenor
03-30-2009, 09:19 AM
Don't worry, Alex will shine in May when he wins the NCAA individual championships. and go on to make the Semis of US open in september.
Logic Fail -
Clayton loses to the #6, #51 and #102 ranked NCAA players in succession and Fedace predicts .... Clayton will win the NCAA's and make the semis of the US Open this year. Oh yeah, Rrrrrrright!

Fedace, you cannot be serious. On the other hand, maybe we all need some of whatever you're taking!:rolleyes:

woodrow1029
03-30-2009, 09:24 AM
Logic Fail -
Clayton loses to the #6, #51 and #102 ranked NCAA players in succession and Fedace predicts .... Clayton will win the NCAA's and make the semis of the US Open this year. Oh yeah, Rrrrrrright!

Fedace, you cannot be serious. On the other hand, maybe we all need some of whatever you're taking!:rolleyes:
just remember that on Sunday Clayton was hurt pretty bad on the first point of the match. His movement really struggled the whole match.

TourTenor
03-30-2009, 10:36 AM
just remember that on Sunday Clayton was hurt pretty bad on the first point of the match. His movement really struggled the whole match.
Maybe true, but going to the semis at the Open in 2009 ... no way, no how. Even, if he was dominating opponents consistently, that would be a HUGE stretch of the imagination. I thought Fedace was done making 'wack predictions' but this proved me wrong.

woodrow1029
03-30-2009, 10:38 AM
Maybe true, but going to the semis at the Open in 2009 ... no way, no how. Even, if he was dominating opponents consistently, that would be a HUGE stretch of the imagination. I thought Fedace was done making 'wack predictions' but this proved me wrong.
I agree with you about the US Open. I think it's safe to assume that the "wack comments" are not going to end. I guess we can just use them to make us laugh when we are bored at work.

He did get wrong footed on the first point, and just completely rolled his ankle. It looked pretty bad. I was on that court when it happened. They are playing Cal Poly tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Clayton sits that one out.

SoCal10s
03-30-2009, 10:49 AM
Don't worry, Alex will shine in May when he wins the NCAA individual championships. and go on to make the Semis of US open in september.

another mother prediction ... man you've got to stop doing this ,people are going think you're on drugs.. unless you're talking about Jr, tennis ...

Joeyg
03-30-2009, 10:51 AM
I always feel like the duck in the AFLAC commercials after reading the doctor's posts.

NickC
03-30-2009, 12:35 PM
people are going think you're on drugs..

We picked up on that ages ago, mate. I just can't believe that someone can be that stupid without the aide of "mind expanding" drugs.

Joeyg
03-30-2009, 02:11 PM
Personally, I think Dr. Fedace has taken the advice of Jesus, "physcian heal thyself" just a little too literally. Lay off the 'ludes, doc!!

Fedace
03-30-2009, 02:12 PM
another mother prediction ... man you've got to stop doing this ,people are going think you're on drugs.. unless you're talking about Jr, tennis ...

YES Alex will win the NCAA championships this year..:)

Joeyg
03-30-2009, 02:27 PM
Poor Alex! The kiss of death has just been given.

Fedace
03-31-2009, 03:37 PM
Cal POLY goes down and goes down hard. Stanford wins 6 matches to 1. Only loss coming at #6 position by Ted Kelly. but a Nice Battle by Kelly. Hold your head up Ted, we need your best tennis at doubles position. Here we go, going on a roll. Lets make it 7 in a row.

ClarkC
03-31-2009, 05:47 PM
March 31 poll (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_3_31_09.htm) has Stanford at #8 and dropping like a stone.

Virginia is far and away the #1 team in the poll. Undefeated even while going through a mediocre spell with some injuries.

Fedace
03-31-2009, 06:54 PM
March 31 poll (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_3_31_09.htm) has Stanford at #8 and dropping like a stone.

Virginia is far and away the #1 team in the poll. Undefeated even while going through a mediocre spell with some injuries.

I like Stanford's chances if they meet in NCAA championships. I think they match up really well in singles. Stanford has a great chance for upset win if they meet.

TourTenor
04-01-2009, 08:36 AM
March 31 poll (http://www.itatennis.com/AwardsAndRankings/Rankings/2008-09_DI_Men_s_Rankings/DI_Men_National_Rankings_3_31_09.htm) has Stanford at #8 and dropping like a stone.

Virginia is far and away the #1 team in the poll. Undefeated even while going through a mediocre spell with some injuries.
Yeah, way too much focus on the #8 team for this thread .... and more than enough "just you wait and see" about #22 Alex Clayton. Fedace, despite your worship of him on this board and you having Clayton's junior high school photo in your avatar .... no one else is going to become the obsessive fanboy:shock: that you are.

Fedace
04-07-2009, 08:21 AM
Lets get back on the Winning track. Fresno state Bulldogs coming in this week. should be a easy victory.

Fedace
04-08-2009, 11:22 AM
OK guys get ready for Fresno state Bulldogs in 1 hour. They are about to become dogmeat soon.
http://www.gostanford.com/livestats/tennis/StanfordTennis.html

Fedace
04-08-2009, 01:27 PM
Stanford Smashes the bulldogs in doubles. up 1-0, singles up next. Alex Clayton and Matt Bruch sitting out again.

cshokraii
04-08-2009, 02:28 PM
Radford made it, yes!!

ihearit1st
04-08-2009, 03:08 PM
Stanford Smashes the bulldogs in doubles. up 1-0, singles up next. Alex Clayton and Matt Bruch sitting out again.

Why is this event relevant? They're the #39 team in the nation, of course Stanford should be beating them. Unfortunately for Stanford, they look stupid for dropping sets(maybe even matches) at lines 2-5.

woodrow1029
04-08-2009, 03:14 PM
Why is this event relevant? They're the #39 team in the nation, of course Stanford should be beating them. Unfortunately for Stanford, they look stupid for dropping sets(maybe even matches) at lines 2-5.
I wouldn't take it that far. Fresno St. isn't necessarily a bad team, and with Clayton and Bruch out, Stanford should still win the match, but not as comfortably as if they played them a few weeks ago.

Fedace
04-08-2009, 03:24 PM
Fresno state turning out to be better than anticipated. #2-#5 singles all in tight close match. Cmon Thach, you can do it,,,,looks like 3rd set tiebreaker... Make us proud.

Fedace
04-08-2009, 03:27 PM
Or maybe Not. Thach takes the 3rd set 7-5. Way to go, Thach. INCREDIBLE MATCH POINT,,,,INCREDIBLE. RYAN LOOKED LIKE RAFA NADAL IN THAT POINT AND CHASED DOWN 5 IMPOSSIBLE WINNERS IN A ROW TO MAKE HIS OPPONENT FINALLY MISS..... That is All HEART.........Go Cardinal.

Fedace
04-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Stanford makes Peking Duck out of Oregon. Wins easily without Clayton and Bruch. Up next is Washington Huskies. Wonder What huskies taste like ?

Fedace
04-12-2009, 03:38 AM
Washington huskies didn't have a chance against the Cardinal. Wins only 1 match at #6 spot. Stanford Dominates as usual. this should move Stanford back up to top 5.

NickC
04-12-2009, 09:13 AM
Washington huskies didn't have a chance against the Cardinal. Wins only 1 match at #6 spot. Stanford Dominates as usual. this should move Stanford back up to top 5.

A win against a low-ranked team doesn't mean that "Standford" should be top 5. They're lucky that they're ranked as high as they are.

Winston
04-12-2009, 09:25 AM
this guy is literally all over stanfords nuts

andfor
04-12-2009, 11:50 AM
Washington huskies didn't have a chance against the Cardinal. Wins only 1 match at #6 spot. Stanford Dominates as usual. this should move Stanford back up to top 5.

They have no business in the top five. Compared the the other current top 5 teams its pretty clear why they are not there. As another poster wrote, they are lucky to be ranked as high as they are.

Rankings are nice but no subsitute for real wins late in the season that have been rare of late for the Standford Cardinals (Feddie's spelling). They will not win the PAC-10 this year, maybe next if they don't lose anyone to the pros. They might make the Sweet 16 in the NCAA. Doubt they advance past that round.

woodrow1029
04-12-2009, 05:59 PM
They have no business in the top five. Compared the the other current top 5 teams its pretty clear why they are not there. As another poster wrote, they are lucky to be ranked as high as they are.

Rankings are nice but no subsitute for real wins late in the season that have been rare of late for the Standford Cardinals (Feddie's spelling). They will not win the PAC-10 this year, maybe next if they don't lose anyone to the pros. They might make the Sweet 16 in the NCAA. Doubt they advance past that round.
quoted wrong post

woodrow1029
04-12-2009, 05:59 PM
this guy is literally all over stanfords nuts
you just figured that out?

Ballinbob
04-12-2009, 06:08 PM
how is DU's (University of Denver's) tennis team? Are they a respectable team and do they ever go far?

NickC
04-13-2009, 09:40 AM
how is DU's (University of Denver's) tennis team? Are they a respectable team and do they ever go far?

They're in the top 50, I believe. I was thinking about applying there as a transfer and I checked out the squad on collegetennisonline.com and the team was quite good.

pricey_aus
04-13-2009, 05:30 PM
How about South Carolina? Do you think they are a solid team?

Fedace
04-13-2009, 05:43 PM
How about South Carolina? Do you think they are a solid team?

NO, but North Carolina is pretty solid. USC and Georgia has one of the best coaches in NCAA. right below coach Whit, of course.

pricey_aus
04-13-2009, 05:57 PM
I know a guy who worked at Standford, feddie

chrisplchs
04-13-2009, 06:35 PM
South Carolina is currently more solid than North Carolina and I think that will hold true for the foreseeable future. Btw, UVA is also going to be really really really good next year

woodrow1029
04-13-2009, 08:23 PM
They're in the top 50, I believe. I was thinking about applying there as a transfer and I checked out the squad on collegetennisonline.com and the team was quite good.
If you're talking about the mens team at Denver, I am pretty sure they are not in the top 50 this year.

Ballinbob
04-14-2009, 05:16 PM
They're in the top 50, I believe. I was thinking about applying there as a transfer and I checked out the squad on collegetennisonline.com and the team was quite good.

alright thanks. That's the only DI school here in colorado (was surprised we even had a DI team to be honest), so was just curious.

NickC
04-15-2009, 09:05 AM
Btw, UVA is also going to be really really really good next year

Aren't they already really, really, really good?

If you're talking about the mens team at Denver, I am pretty sure they are not in the top 50 this year.

Sorry 'bout that. They're not in the top 50 right now but at the beginning of the season I think they were.

alright thanks. That's the only DI school here in colorado (was surprised we even had a DI team to be honest), so was just curious.

Yeah, the team is supposedly pretty good. I have a few buddies out there and they say the #1 kid has got some serious game.

woodrow1029
04-15-2009, 09:15 AM
alright thanks. That's the only DI school here in colorado (was surprised we even had a DI team to be honest), so was just curious.
Northern Colorado University has a team as well. I believe they are in the Big Sky conference.

Fedace
04-15-2009, 01:13 PM
Looks like another Easy win for the boys.
http://www.gostanford.com/livestats/tennis/StanfordTennis.html

woodrow1029
04-15-2009, 02:38 PM
Feddie, I'm disappointed. The match has been decided for StanDford for about 10 minutes and we haven't heard it from you yet. Are you ok?

Fedace
04-15-2009, 07:43 PM
Feddie, I'm disappointed. The match has been decided for Stanford for about 10 minutes and we haven't heard it from you yet. Are you ok?

You obviously have never been to Stanford so i corrected it for you...lol

Fedace
04-15-2009, 07:45 PM
Stanford getting on a roll. also may have found a new Star at #6 position, Jeff Zeller. Sorry about that Ted. you can continue to contribute in doubles, of course.

April 15, 2009 - Stanford, Calif.
No. 8 Stanford 7, San Francisco 0
Doubles
1) Thacher/Klahn (STAN) d. No. 87 Tu/Cohen (USF) 8-1
2) No. 30 Wire/Muller (STAN) d. del Rosario/Ching (USF) 8-1
3) Clayton/Bruch (STAN) d. Hart/Nachbauer (USF) 8-3
Order of Finish: 2, 3, 1
Singles
1) No. 52 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. No. 115 Tommy Tu (USF) 6-2, 6-3
2) Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. Rainer Nachbauer (USF) 6-2, 6-1
3) No. 122 Richard Wire (STAN) d. Einar Hart (USF) 6-4, 6-2
4) Blake Muller (STAN) d. Jacob Hartwig (USF) 6-2, 6-2
5) No. 119 Greg Hirshman (STAN) d. Mitch del Rosario (USF) 6-0, 6-1
6) Jeff Zeller (STAN) d. Karill Karchmit (USF) 6-2, 6-1*
Order of Finish: 5, 1, 6*, 4, 2, 3

Beastforearm
04-15-2009, 08:02 PM
How is Michigan State?

woodrow1029
04-16-2009, 08:39 AM
You obviously have never been to Stanford so i corrected it for you...lol
Oh. I figured that since you spelled it with a D, and I see others following your lead, that it must have been correct.

On a side note, I have been to more Stanford matches this year than you have been to in your young life.

jimwh
04-16-2009, 10:02 AM
Hotty Toddy, good luck to the Ole Miss Rebels!

ClarkC
04-19-2009, 02:23 PM
Stanford getting on a roll. also may have found a new Star at #6 position, Jeff Zeller. Sorry about that Ted. you can continue to contribute in doubles, of course.

April 15, 2009 - Stanford, Calif.
No. 8 Stanford 7, San Francisco 0
Doubles
1) Thacher/Klahn (STAN) d. No. 87 Tu/Cohen (USF) 8-1
2) No. 30 Wire/Muller (STAN) d. del Rosario/Ching (USF) 8-1
3) Clayton/Bruch (STAN) d. Hart/Nachbauer (USF) 8-3
Order of Finish: 2, 3, 1
Singles
1) No. 52 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. No. 115 Tommy Tu (USF) 6-2, 6-3
2) Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. Rainer Nachbauer (USF) 6-2, 6-1
3) No. 122 Richard Wire (STAN) d. Einar Hart (USF) 6-4, 6-2
4) Blake Muller (STAN) d. Jacob Hartwig (USF) 6-2, 6-2
5) No. 119 Greg Hirshman (STAN) d. Mitch del Rosario (USF) 6-0, 6-1
6) Jeff Zeller (STAN) d. Karill Karchmit (USF) 6-2, 6-1*
Order of Finish: 5, 1, 6*, 4, 2, 3

Obviously, USF was not in Stanford's league, so Stanford could afford to give some playing time to guys low in the lineup. From that, you conclude that Zeller is the new star at #6? Why not post that Blake Muller is the new star at #4?