tennisrecruiting.net-Schedule Strength?

[TennisTaxi]

What looks better to a college coach...being Ranked 150 in your class year with a Schedule Strength of 60...or a Ranking of 80 with a Schedule Strength 300.

It would be obvious that the player with the 60 schedule strength would play mostly national level tourneys but does it look better to play stronger tourneys and lose than play easier tourneys and win?

How is this factored into the actual rankings on tennisrecruiting?

Just wondering....

[joshburger]

is say the ranking of 80, because i believe that coaches view schedule strengh as sort of a tie breaker between players if they have to choose, i think that they view ranking as most important

[Zhou]

Well Tennis Recruiting takes your top 8 matches or something like that and compiles a ranking that way.

One factor in the College Reqruiting list rankings is the average of the opponent's quality of a player's best 8 wins. In an elimination draw, the best win for a player is most likely the last win prior to losing since opponents tend to get better as the tournament progresses. Consequently, it would make sense to have played in at least 8 tournaments before you are maximizing this factor. In a tournament that you win, you may not have played one of your best 8 opponents, so winning a tournament does not necessarily improve your ranking. Of course, the more tournaments a player plays, the more chances there are to improve this best-8-wins factor.

[tennismom42]

Well Tennis Recruiting takes your top 8 matches or something like that and compiles a ranking that way.
No it doesn't!

USTA uses the best 8 singles + a % of doubles wins. As I recall, 15% of your doubles points count toward your singles' ranking. (remember, doubles rankings no longer exist.)

Recruiting.net is a head-to-head comparison. SOS rates you on the difficulty of your tournament matches against your opponent's tournament matches. So, technically someone could stay close to home, never play a national & have a high ranking & a low SOS.

If I were a recruiter, I would say SOS holds credence.

[Zhou]

No it doesn't!

USTA uses the best 8 singles + a % of doubles wins. As I recall, 15% of your doubles points count toward your singles' ranking. (remember, doubles rankings no longer exist.)

Recruiting.net is a head-to-head comparison. SOS rates you on the difficulty of your tournament matches against other's strength.

I quoted Tennis Recruiting, that is how it works.

[ClarkC]

I quoted Tennis Recruiting, that is how it works.

There are other factors besides best 8 wins, right? Otherwise, if one player is 8-2 vs. blue chips, and a second player is 8-10 vs. blue chips, then they have the same best 8 wins and all those extra losses don't matter.

I believe your wins and losses both matter at tennisrecruiting.net.

[tennismom42]

There are other factors besides best 8 wins, right? Otherwise, if one player is 8-2 vs. blue chips, and a second player is 8-10 vs. blue chips, then they have the same best 8 wins and all those extra losses don't matter.

I believe your wins and losses both matter at tennisrecruiting.net.
I suppose it depends on whether the subject is

National recruiting list
or
TennisRPI
or
SOS

I know that Tennis RPI is a blend of the other two. And I know that they track one's wins & losses, categorized by star ranking.

[region2champion]

On tennisrecruiting it does say the most important factor is your best 8 wins.

[tennismom42]

On tennisrecruiting it does say the most important factor is your best 8 wins.
but for which item? SOS, RPI or rank?

[region2champion]

but for which item? SOS, RPI or rank?

for ranking

[tennismom42]

for ranking
but my position is that SOS is a more valuable tool for recruiting

[dallasoliver]

Hey gang -

A few points on our rankings...

(1) College Recruiting Lists

These rankings use a head-to-head system that is based on ALL matches on a player's record from the previous twelve months. (Precisely, all matches from all tournaments that we use for ranking.) So if you see a match on your player record, we are using that match in your ranking.

There are a few other wrinkles: players get additional credit for their best eight wins, and more recent matches are weighted heavily when compare to older matches.

The College Recruiting Lists are our primary rankings, and we feel strongly that this ranking system is the best of breed for what we are trying to accomplish. When we started out back in 2005, we experimented with many other ranking algorithms (points systems, modified ladder systems, STAR, Saffire, RPI, Kronch, etc.) - we found this College Recruiting List algorithm to produce the best results.


(2) TennisRPI

The TennisRPI uses the well-known RPI algorithm - a standard in college sports. We applied it to tennis because it seems to work pretty well.

This ranking has a formula that uses three factors: player's winning percentage, opponents' win percentage, and win percentage of the player's opponents, and the win percentage of a player's opponent's opponents. (That last one is a mouthfull!)

Take a look here for details:

http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/about/RPI.asp

The TennisRPI provides for some pretty good rankings for the most part, but it does have one flaw... players who "play up" are usually penalized since their win percentage is lower - as is the win percentage of those who they play.

The good news is that these anomalies usually clear up for players once they hit their junior and senior years. Most of the anomalies seem to occur for younger kids.


I hope this helps. Let me know if you have additional questions.

Best,
Dallas

[TennisTaxi]

Hey gang -

A few points on our rankings...

(1) College Recruiting Lists

These rankings use a head-to-head system that is based on ALL matches on a player's record from the previous twelve months. (Precisely, all matches from all tournaments that we use for ranking.) So if you see a match on your player record, we are using that match in your ranking.

There are a few other wrinkles: players get additional credit for their best eight wins, and more recent matches are weighted heavily when compare to older matches.

The College Recruiting Lists are our primary rankings, and we feel strongly that this ranking system is the best of breed for what we are trying to accomplish. When we started out back in 2005, we experimented with many other ranking algorithms (points systems, modified ladder systems, STAR, Saffire, RPI, Kronch, etc.) - we found this College Recruiting List algorithm to produce the best results.


(2) TennisRPI

The TennisRPI uses the well-known RPI algorithm - a standard in college sports. We applied it to tennis because it seems to work pretty well.

This ranking has a formula that uses three factors: player's winning percentage, opponents' win percentage, and win percentage of the player's opponents, and the win percentage of a player's opponent's opponents. (That last one is a mouthfull!)

Take a look here for details:

http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/about/RPI.asp

The TennisRPI provides for some pretty good rankings for the most part, but it does have one flaw... players who "play up" are usually penalized since their win percentage is lower - as is the win percentage of those who they play.

The good news is that these anomalies usually clear up for players once they hit their junior and senior years. Most of the anomalies seem to occur for younger kids.


I hope this helps. Let me know if you have additional questions.

Best,
Dallas

so...how to coaches look at SoS

[tennismom42]

so...how to coaches look at SoS
SoS is an RPI term – it is just the winning percentage of a player’s opponents – with the matches against the player in question taken out. (as per Dallas Oliver of TRN)

Hopefully the recruiters look at the SOS. That's just my opinion that the SOS is important. I think I know what I am doing, but ....? Most players, parents & coaches default to citing their weekly USTA ranking, if they know it that week. Fortunately people are coming around to seeing the accuracy of the TRN ranking. I'd bet my paycheck that if you pitted the USTA ranking against the TRN system at any tournament, TRN would have the most accurate prediction results.

[MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER]

And I'll further venture to say that SAT/ACT will trump both the USTA and the TRN if these two are too close to call, simply because it gives a coach the chance to pitch other scholarship or grant opportunities to school administration.
Of all the degrees offered by schools, "tennis pro" doesn't seem to be listed at any of them

[TennisTaxi]

And I'll further venture to say that SAT/ACT will trump both the USTA and the TRN if these two are too close to call, simply because it gives a coach the chance to pitch other scholarship or grant opportunities to school administration.
Of all the degrees offered by schools, "tennis pro" doesn't seem to be listed at any of them

..and I think that is what most of us involved in junior tennis tend to forget...for 99.9% of the kids, tennis is the route to college...and education is the goal. That is one reason why my son is seriously considering something besides D1, although he has no doubt he can play, the commitment to college tennis at a D1 school is huge...he will not go Pro and realizes that in the long run...education is what counts for his future.

[kctennis1005]

..and I think that is what most of us involved in junior tennis tend to forget...for 99.9% of the kids, tennis is the route to college...and education is the goal. That is one reason why my son is seriously considering something besides D1, although he has no doubt he can play, the commitment to college tennis at a D1 school is huge...he will not go Pro and realizes that in the long run...education is what counts for his future.

thats very true, but a lot of the best universities academic-wise are d1....a lot of kids use tennis to get them recruited into ivy league or ivy caliber schools....i think d1 programs that offer scholarships are a big difference than those that do not and ivies....theres a different time commitment

[GeorgeLucas]

tennisrecruiting.net is retarded :):):)

[tennismom42]

tennisrecruiting.net is retarded :):):)
TRN rocks! Why don't you like it? Don't you know how the statistics work?