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GameSampras
01-10-2009, 07:43 AM
He has the game for sure and this point looks like the best player in the game today. I suspect if he can win the Australian his confidence will only skyrocket and his game will only continue to improve. I suspect his clay court game will improve and the grass.

miyagi
01-10-2009, 07:55 AM
Doubt it....

He is playing like he is fire now but lets see how he handles playing poorly when it matters most.

Plus does anyone remember last year Djoko was playing like he was on fire too and what happened to him?

zagor
01-10-2009, 08:02 AM
Good lord,wait until he atleast wins one slam first.He's very talented but it's still too early for GOAT talk.

miyagi
01-10-2009, 08:09 AM
Good lord,wait until he atleast wins one slam first.He's very talented but it's still too early for GOAT talk.

Where did anyone mention GOAT talk?? Just asked a reasonable question as to whether Murray can dominate which is a realsitic question due to recent form and results!

:confused:

NamRanger
01-10-2009, 08:10 AM
Where did anyone mention GOAT talk?? Just asked a reasonable question as to whether Murray can dominate which is a realsitic question due to recent form and results!

:confused:


No, he can't. Big guys always get injured at some point or another. He runs alot and plays long points, plus still struggles with fitness at times.

welcome2petrkordaland
01-10-2009, 08:41 AM
i'll humor this thread and say . . . quite possibly.

he has absolutely no weaknesses and the variety of prime federer. and IMHO his bh is more versatile than fed's and definitely more consistent and reliable than fed's.

i think fed dominated, in part, due to his incredible talent, not necessarily his guile and tactics. murray, otoh, is a tennis genius.

and another thing. maybe i should start my own thread about this, but someone talk me down and give me reasons why murray's game won't translate perfectly to grass? (I realize the movement aspect of clay tends to do many nonclaycourters in.)

murray #1 by 4/10

miyagi
01-10-2009, 08:55 AM
i'll humor this thread and say . . . quite possibly.

he has absolutely no weaknesses and the variety of prime federer. and IMHO his bh is more versatile than fed's and definitely more consistent and reliable than fed's.

i think fed dominated, in part, due to his incredible talent, not necessarily his guile and tactics. murray, otoh, is a tennis genius.

and another thing. maybe i should start my own thread about this, but someone talk me down and give me reasons why murray's game won't translate perfectly to grass? (I realize the movement aspect of clay tends to do many nonclaycourters in.)

murray #1 by 4/10

Weakness 2nd serve? Throwing tantrums when things aren't going his way?

hmmmmm.......I'm not convinced that he will be a great grass player....I dont know why I just dont see it maybe due to the lack of practise he will get on it. Plus the pressure of the British press and fans will be too much for him to cope with.....I still think Wimbledon 09 will be contested by Nadal and Federer....

batz
01-10-2009, 09:00 AM
i'll humor this thread and say . . . quite possibly.

he has absolutely no weaknesses and the variety of prime federer. and IMHO his bh is more versatile than fed's and definitely more consistent and reliable than fed's.

i think fed dominated, in part, due to his incredible talent, not necessarily his guile and tactics. murray, otoh, is a tennis genius.

and another thing. maybe i should start my own thread about this, but someone talk me down and give me reasons why murray's game won't translate perfectly to grass? (I realize the movement aspect of clay tends to do many nonclaycourters in.)

murray #1 by 4/10


Maybe you should - it would be interesting. Here's a small factoid for you if you do: to date; Murray's win ratio on grass is higher than any other surface.

batz
01-10-2009, 09:02 AM
Weakness 2nd serve? Throwing tantrums when things aren't going his way?

hmmmmm.......I'm not convinced that he will be a great grass player....I dont know why I just dont see it maybe due to the lack of practise he will get on it. Plus the pressure of the British press and fans will be too much for him to cope with.....I still think Wimbledon 09 will be contested by Nadal and Federer....


He seemed to handle the bad call that gave Roger a 1st serve at 6-6, but I take your point.

miyagi
01-10-2009, 09:08 AM
He seemed to handle the bad call that gave Roger a 1st serve at 6-6, but I take your point.

he has got alot better but I dont know if in a slam and he gets a bad call whether he would react so well.

Slams are what really matter and thats when emotions really run high!

Would be great to see him go deep in the slams though.

DoubleDeuce
01-10-2009, 09:10 AM
You wonder too much, too soon.

abmk
01-10-2009, 09:32 AM
You wonder too much, too soon.

he he, good one :)

egn
01-10-2009, 09:44 AM
When Andy Murray actually develops a clay court game..he is so average on clay. Djokovic is far superior to him on clay and even if Nadal vanishes he would still consistently lose to Djokovic and heck even Federer on clay. He has never made even a small clay court tournament final, a small one. I would check but I doubt he has probably made it to the semis in a small clay court tournament either but I could be wrong and go ahead say well he has not hit his prime yet, but prior to Djoker, Nadal's and Federer's prime they showed they could make deep runs on all the surfaces. Murray has yet to do that even in small tournaments on clay. So before we go about saying he will dominate with Federer style lets have his game step it up a bit. He is a great hard court player but he hasn't proven anything yet he still has never even made a good run on clay. I can give him grass, but clay...he has to prove it.

Feņa14
01-10-2009, 10:12 AM
Weakness 2nd serve? Throwing tantrums when things aren't going his way?

hmmmmm.......I'm not convinced that he will be a great grass player....I dont know why I just dont see it maybe due to the lack of practise he will get on it. Plus the pressure of the British press and fans will be too much for him to cope with.....I still think Wimbledon 09 will be contested by Nadal and Federer....

How many times does this come up? It's not true at all! As i've said many times on here before, British people don't care about tennis outside of Queens, Wimbledon and the Davis Cup. I used the example that if you were to ask 50 people what Murray did in Madrid the week after the final, 90% of them wouldn't of had a clue!

The pressure at Wimbledon is massive, I agree. The rest of the year though he has no real pressure from anyone but himself.

miyagi
01-10-2009, 10:23 AM
How many times does this come up? It's not true at all! As i've said many times on here before, British people don't care about tennis outside of Queens, Wimbledon and the Davis Cup. I used the example that if you were to ask 50 people what Murray did in Madrid the week after the final, 90% of them wouldn't of had a clue!

The pressure at Wimbledon is massive, I agree. The rest of the year though he has no real pressure from anyone but himself.

What isn't true? I'm refering to Wimbledon which I don't think Murray will win due to the pressure? Even if he was capable of winning it......

Clay season.....he won't show up at ANY Master series finals. No one but Nadal has been consistant on clay.

HC is where he is will make he major run....and they are going to be VERY very competitive. But I believe he can do it, it's just a question of it he does.

BTW I'm British too. ;)

edmondsm
01-10-2009, 10:27 AM
He has the game for sure and this point looks like the best player in the game today. I suspect if he can win the Australian his confidence will only skyrocket and his game will only continue to improve. I suspect his clay court game will improve and the grass.

No, because we are not in a weak era anymore remember.:rolleyes:

welcome2petrkordaland
01-10-2009, 10:40 AM
good pojnt, edberg. the parity now is crazy. i envision some superclose atp points races comin' up.

P_Agony
01-10-2009, 10:45 AM
He has the game for sure and this point looks like the best player in the game today. I suspect if he can win the Australian his confidence will only skyrocket and his game will only continue to improve. I suspect his clay court game will improve and the grass.

Sure he can, because he won all those MS titles on clay and Wimbeldon a couple of times. No chance buddy, you are way too quick to hand him a crown. Murray is rocking right now, but history proves he is not the most consistent player in the world, and comes clay time, he'll probably won't have the success he has on hard courts. Last year everybody said that Djokovic is the next #1 in the world, after winning the AO. He played so good and served so well and since then lost matches to Federer and Nadal in a regular basis.

TennezSport
01-10-2009, 10:59 AM
A lot of these Murray threads are popping up here lately :shock:

He has the talent but can he hold up in best of 5 for 7 matches??? This will be his next test. Injury could play a major role in that history, as his game is also based on a lot of running and we know what that can do to knees :twisted:

Only time will tell, so let's sit back and enjoy the view for 2K9 :wink:

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:

tintin
01-10-2009, 11:20 AM
Dominate what?:shock:
let's put Murray on a clay court and see Murray go down
Murray as yet to win on clay or grass

Murray for now considering his results is a hard court specialist

Michael Bluth
01-10-2009, 11:25 AM
Isn't this what people said about Djoker last year?

miyagi
01-10-2009, 11:32 AM
Isn't this what people said about Djoker last year?

In a word YES! :?

Feņa14
01-10-2009, 11:40 AM
What isn't true? I'm refering to Wimbledon which I don't think Murray will win due to the pressure? Even if he was capable of winning it......

Clay season.....he won't show up at ANY Master series finals. No one but Nadal has been consistant on clay.

HC is where he is will make he major run....and they are going to be VERY very competitive. But I believe he can do it, it's just a question of it he does.

BTW I'm British too. ;)

Oh absolutely yeah, the pressure on him at Wimbledon will probably be even greater than what Henman had. I think he will be able to handle it better than Henman though, his attitude is alot different and he has more talent than Henman did.

The rest of the year though I think he's free to do what he wants in the eyes of most British people, they're too busy focusing on football, rugby, cricket etc.. to care what Murray's doing at a tournament in the far east! :)

msc886
01-10-2009, 01:05 PM
Well, his current game no. Federer back then was probably as "all round" as a modern game can get. He had a lot of weapons and only Nadal can exploit that weakness. Murray's current game cannot match up to Federer's back then level. However, he may develop into a player of prime Federer's caliber.

zagor
07-07-2013, 10:33 AM
Sorry, but I just had to bump this :)

World Beater
07-07-2013, 10:36 AM
LOL.

a game sampras thread designed to point out how federer's domination of the tour was ordinary.

NO. novak and nadal playing out of their skin in their primes couldnt do it..murray? doubt it...

jelle v
07-07-2013, 10:38 AM
Sorry, but I just had to bump this :)

Why..? The Op clearly has been proven wrong..

Feņa14
07-07-2013, 10:52 AM
Sorry, but I just had to bump this :)

Strong bump! Are you trying to tell us you think this is the start of the Murray era now? ;)

President
07-07-2013, 10:54 AM
I wish maximo was here to see this day...maybe he is still among us?

bjsnider
07-07-2013, 10:56 AM
That kind of dominance is just not possible when your contemporaries are so close to you in ability. Federer's contemporaries were not in his league. Murray will play many more big matches against Djokovic, some he will win, some he will lose. The draw will have a lot to do with it.

zagor
07-07-2013, 11:07 AM
Strong bump! Are you trying to tell us you think this is the start of the Murray era now? ;)

Heh, I wouldn't exactly bet on that happening but I wouldn't rule it out completely either.

I just remembered this thread for some reason, that the OP is still among us( in a different username of course) is also kinda funny.

West Coast Ace
07-07-2013, 11:09 AM
Funniest thread ever. Guy wins 1 major and he's going to own the tour - too funny. (USO is still an asterisk due to the wind)

Mustard
07-07-2013, 11:13 AM
Funniest thread ever. Guy wins 1 major and he's going to own the tour - too funny.

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