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SlapShot
01-15-2009, 06:49 AM
I just about handed out my first double bagel in a men's match last night. My dubs partner and I won the first set 6-0, had 5-0 in the second and they held serve.

6-0, 6-1 still isn't bad for a 3.5 playing 4.0, but still....:evil:

MSL
01-15-2009, 07:15 AM
Just a thought...

If you won 6-0, 6-1, either you guys aren't 3.5's, they weren't 4.0's, or both.

-Matt

cknobman
01-15-2009, 07:50 AM
true 3.5's playing true 4.0's should be receiving the 0,1 not dishing it out.

Even if you are 3.5 and your partner is 4.0 you should not be winning 0,1 unless your playing some really weak 4.0's(more like weak 3.5's)

Nellie
01-15-2009, 07:59 AM
I can never bagel anyone because I start feeling bad and step off the gas.

JavierLW
01-15-2009, 08:37 AM
I just about handed out my first double bagel in a men's match last night. My dubs partner and I won the first set 6-0, had 5-0 in the second and they held serve.

6-0, 6-1 still isn't bad for a 3.5 playing 4.0, but still....:evil:

The real fun question is how long did the match take?

I think if it takes under an hour including the warm up, that's a real good butt kicking.

Last year in one of my leagues, we played the worst team in the league, and my partner and I got off the court in way less then an hour.

The match started at 6pm. Our entire team got off the court not soon after we did. Then we sat around and ate snacks and drank beer for what seemed like a reasonable amount of time.

I got in my car then after we all decided to leave and it was only 8pm. So it was a total team butt kicking. :-)

SlapShot
01-15-2009, 08:46 AM
Just a thought...

If you won 6-0, 6-1, either you guys aren't 3.5's, they weren't 4.0's, or both.

-Matt

My partner is a solid 4.0, I'm a solid 4.0-level player, and the guys we played were good 3.5's.

As a doubles team, we'd probably hang well at #2 or #3 on a competitive 4.5 team.

The real fun question is how long did the match take?

I think if it takes under an hour including the warm up, that's a real good butt kicking.

Last year in one of my leagues, we played the worst team in the league, and my partner and I got off the court in way less then an hour.

The match started at 6pm. Our entire team got off the court not soon after we did. Then we sat around and ate snacks and drank beer for what seemed like a reasonable amount of time.

I got in my car then after we all decided to leave and it was only 8pm. So it was a total team butt kicking. :-)

I think that we started warmups at 6:05, and were off of the court at 7:10, so not quite an hour.

The rest of the team actually had their matches suspended due to time - the next wave of teams were on at 7:45. Slow players....

beernutz
01-16-2009, 11:10 AM
I just about handed out my first double bagel in a men's match last night. My dubs partner and I won the first set 6-0, had 5-0 in the second and they held serve.

6-0, 6-1 still isn't bad for a 3.5 playing 4.0, but still....:evil:

Really? I don't think it could get much worse than that.

goober
01-16-2009, 12:15 PM
My partner is a solid 4.0, I'm a solid 4.0-level player, and the guys we played were good 3.5's.

As a doubles team, we'd probably hang well at #2 or #3 on a competitive 4.5 team.
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On a competitive 4.5 team you would not hang with a#2 or #3. Maybe on a really weak 4.5 team you could and even then it would have to be 4.0s playing up. The difference in level of play between team tennis at 4.0 and 4.5 is pretty large.

JLyon
01-16-2009, 12:36 PM
On a competitive 4.5 team you would not hang with a#2 or #3. Maybe on a really weak 4.5 team you could and even then it would have to be 4.0s playing up. The difference in level of play between team tennis at 4.0 and 4.5 is pretty large.

For sure, besides what is the OP a 3.5 Sand bagger or a solid 4.0. You can not be both. Also a 3.5 would not be able to hang with a true 4.5 level player.

SlapShot
01-16-2009, 04:24 PM
Really? I don't think it could get much worse than that.

I think you misunderstood my post. I'm an unwilling computer rated 3.5. The USTA benchmarked me as a 3.5 even though my record at 4.0 is better than 60%.

SlapShot
01-16-2009, 04:28 PM
On a competitive 4.5 team you would not hang with a#2 or #3. Maybe on a really weak 4.5 team you could and even then it would have to be 4.0s playing up. The difference in level of play between team tennis at 4.0 and 4.5 is pretty large.

I actually spend more time playing with 4.5 and up players than I do playing with 3.5 and 4.0 level players. At a 4.5 doubles mixer, I was in every set, losing 1 in a breaker and winning 1 6-3.

MSL
01-16-2009, 04:32 PM
I actually spend more time playing with 4.5 and up players than I do playing with 3.5 and 4.0 level players. At a 4.5 doubles mixer, I was in every set, losing 1 in a breaker and winning 1 6-3.

News flash... you are a 4.5.

-Matt

Morrowreze
01-17-2009, 12:27 AM
Nice work. Hopefully you get moved up pretty soon because handing out 0 and 1 drubbings is going to get real boring, real quick.

TonLars
01-18-2009, 12:02 PM
News flash... you are a 4.5.

-Matt

He can hang with 4.5 and up because he is almost there. He also plays a power game and hits serves and forehands with as much pace as very good players. If I practice with better players than myself it doesnt make me a 6.5 or 7.0 player, but I can compete with them enough to belong and get something out of it, you know?

MSL
01-18-2009, 03:24 PM
He can hang with 4.5 and up because he is almost there. He also plays a power game and hits serves and forehands with as much pace as very good players. If I practice with better players than myself it doesnt make me a 6.5 or 7.0 player, but I can compete with them enough to belong and get something out of it, you know?


If he's winning 1 and 0 at 4.0 and is able to win some 4.5 matches and hang with the "and up's", then he is a 4.5.

This is the reason everyone ends up playing down a level.

It would be like you being a 5.5 or 6.0 and playing on a 5.0 team or something. That would be crazy, right?

-Matt

JLyon
01-18-2009, 06:10 PM
If he's winning 1 and 0 at 4.0 and is able to win some 4.5 matches and hang with the "and up's", then he is a 4.5.

This is the reason everyone ends up playing down a level.

It would be like you being a 5.5 or 6.0 and playing on a 5.0 team or something. That would be crazy, right?

-Matt

If only you knew the truth. :confused:

MSL
01-18-2009, 06:21 PM
If only you knew the truth. :confused:

That's why I made the comment. :)

-Matt

JLyon
01-18-2009, 06:25 PM
That's why I made the comment. :)

-Matt

Gotcha :-?

TonLars
01-18-2009, 09:58 PM
If he's winning 1 and 0 at 4.0 and is able to win some 4.5 matches and hang with the "and up's", then he is a 4.5.

This is the reason everyone ends up playing down a level.

It would be like you being a 5.5 or 6.0 and playing on a 5.0 team or something. That would be crazy, right?

-Matt

If only you knew the truth. :confused:

Winning 0 and 1 at 4.0 doesnt make him a 4.5. Theres low end, middle and high end players at each level. People also perform differently day to day. Anyways, he is in my opinion a 4.0 player with a power game. If he is on his game and playing doubles then he could dominate that day. He could also be competitive with 4.5's. Anyone can compete and play up at the next step, and its a good idea to do it.

There is no "5.5" league here. Is there anything wrong with me playing the 5.0 league to get some practice and set play in?

MSL
01-18-2009, 10:18 PM
Winning 0 and 1 at 4.0 doesnt make him a 4.5. Theres low end, middle and high end players at each level. People also perform differently day to day. Anyways, he is in my opinion a 4.0 player with a power game. If he is on his game and playing doubles then he could dominate that day. He could also be competitive with 4.5's. Anyone can compete and play up at the next step, and its a good idea to do it.

There is no "5.5" league here. Is there anything wrong with me playing the 5.0 league to get some practice and set play in?


I guess there is nothing wrong with you playing on the local 5.0 team to pick up a few practice matches (at nationals) in between your open level tournament wins.

It's all good...

-Matt

TonLars
01-18-2009, 10:29 PM
I guess there is nothing wrong with you playing on the local 5.0 team to pick up a few practice matches (at nationals) in between your open level tournament wins.

It's all good...

-Matt

How many people that are actually playing in the league do you suppose have a problem with me playing in it? I guess I should just stop playing regardless since its so immoral for me to want to play more tennis. Ive been watching alot of House MD lately, he overdoes the sarcasm like you also

Morrowreze
01-18-2009, 11:23 PM
If he's winning 1 and 0 at 4.0 and is able to win some 4.5 matches and hang with the "and up's", then he is a 4.5.

This is the reason everyone ends up playing down a level.

It would be like you being a 5.5 or 6.0 and playing on a 5.0 team or something. That would be crazy, right?

-Matt

He's winning at 3.5 level 0 and 1. He was benchmarked there.

SlapShot
01-19-2009, 02:24 PM
Anyways, he is in my opinion a 4.0 player with a power game. If he is on his game and playing doubles then he could dominate that day.

I think that Tony is 100% correct in his assessment of my level here. I'm not a 4.5 yet and don't expect to be one in the near future but when I play with 4.5 players, I don't get blown off of the court. I would call myself a solid 4.0 doubles player with the potential to reach 4.5 and possibly higher barring injury.

tykrum
01-21-2009, 10:14 AM
I think that Tony is 100% correct in his assessment of my level here. I'm not a 4.5 yet and don't expect to be one in the near future but when I play with 4.5 players, I don't get blown off of the court. I would call myself a solid 4.0 doubles player with the potential to reach 4.5 and possibly higher barring injury.

Sorry guys, we would have been able to end this drama, but I pulled out of a match with SlapShot this upcoming Monday because of a work meeting. I'm third doubles on one of the top four 4.5 teams in the Twin Cities, so it should be a decent representation. Although I also play 5.0 as well crazily enough and am 60% in that league (I might have to play against Tony one of these days if he ever played doubles, which is a scary thought). Does not mean I am anywhere close to a 5.0 though. I have hit with SlapShot before - last time we played singles and it was 6-2 6-3 I think. Both of us are better doubles players, and I don't think either of us took our last match too seriously either. In a couple weeks we'll try to get a match set up between a 4.5 friend of mine and SlapShot and his dubs partner.