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orangettecoleman
01-16-2009, 07:41 AM
I was just watching one of his matches and noticed how weird his backhand technique is. Fully closed stance with a BIG crossover on the front foot, continental grip on the left hand, and he just flicks the ball back. Effective though. Also, he never ever uses the backhand slice. First time I've seen a 2HBH player who doesn't have a one handed slice in about 20 years. Thoughts?

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3749/c091296d4f66b18591a3b48qs3.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/2697963444_a84bc12d8f_m.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05ogeUceho8ez/610x.jpg

What to all of you think the advantages/disadvantages of this technique are?

seffina
01-16-2009, 07:43 AM
I'm sorry, the only thing I think of when looking at him is, God, he's skinny.

l_gonzalez
01-16-2009, 07:43 AM
I wouldn't try to copy it, that's for sure. I guess it works for him.

Jonny S&V
01-16-2009, 07:47 AM
I was just watching one of his matches and noticed how weird his backhand technique is. Fully closed stance with a BIG crossover on the front foot, continental grip on the left hand, and he just flicks the ball back. Effective though. Also, he never ever uses the backhand slice. First time I've seen a 2HBH player who doesn't have a one handed slice in about 20 years. Thoughts?

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3749/c091296d4f66b18591a3b48qs3.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/2697963444_a84bc12d8f_m.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05ogeUceho8ez/610x.jpg

What to all of you think the advantages/disadvantages of this technique are?

The left hand is more a weak-eastern forehand, IMO...

He really doesn't get his core involved as much as, say, Safin does so he arms it more. The only real advantage I find in his stroke is that it's so darn simple that nothing can go wrong with it (hence the lack of a one-handed slice).

sinned
01-16-2009, 09:14 AM
Yea, his left hand is gripped for flatter shot compared to others.

He also bends his right wrist down on the take back and swings foward with bent elbows. These are characteristics usually found in womens pro tennis.

flyer
01-16-2009, 09:21 AM
well consistency is the advantage

hlkimfung
01-16-2009, 09:25 AM
remind me of the Kucera/Medvedev's backhand

orangettecoleman
01-16-2009, 09:36 AM
there should be a whole thread just for these kind of pro strokes discussions, where we could analyze and argue different players strokes. would make for some fun reading. anyway, yeah it seems like his backhand is especially consistent but flat. also it seems like he handles high balls really well, better than if he used a more conventional grip since that continental/eastern left hand grip seems to enable him to hit down into the other court really easily.

LanceStern
01-16-2009, 09:41 AM
It's very awkward looking for sure, but it gives him consistency so that's good.

I don't see Djokovic going for a slice that much either.

tacou
01-16-2009, 09:53 AM
I love Simon's backhand, very strange and effortless, never makes an error. lovely.

Bobble
01-16-2009, 10:00 AM
it's comparable to sebastien grosjean's bh in that it is more arm/wrist involved than the core. It is used more as a thump counter punch/ rally shot than an aggressive shot. Both guys are capable of surprising their opponent with lots of pace from this stroke because it is so frequently hit with lots of margin and depth at slower speeds. Simon has simply mastered the surprise explosiveness part for the time being.

aphex
01-16-2009, 10:00 AM
First time I've seen a 2HBH player who doesn't have a one handed slice in about 20 years. Thoughts?

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clearly you havent seen me play:)

Beasty54
01-16-2009, 03:15 PM
I wouldn't try to copy it, that's for sure. I guess it works for him.

Definatly dont. Its not good form and very bad for your wrists. He is breaking them, like you can see in the first picture, and snapping them up over the ball to get topspin. Its what I used to do before I changed.

However, this just shows everyone that it doesn't take perfect technique to win a tennis match.

But if you want a picture perfect 2HBH think Djoker. Technically perfect.
But I still dont like him.

Mansewerz
01-16-2009, 03:22 PM
Definatly dont. Its not good form and very bad for your wrists. He is breaking them, like you can see in the first picture, and snapping them up over the ball to get topspin. Its what I used to do before I changed.

However, this just shows everyone that it doesn't take perfect technique to win a tennis match.

But if you want a picture perfect 2HBH think Djoker. Technically perfect.
But I still dont like him.

I like Marat's better :D

Beasty54
01-16-2009, 03:23 PM
Haha Ill go with Marat. I like him better.

matchmaker
01-16-2009, 03:36 PM
Nothing beats Rios' doublehanded backhand IMO. I watched a lot of his matches and he actually made most points with that shot.

AAUS
01-16-2009, 05:46 PM
its like the way he naturally hit a twohander and no coach ever made him change to more conventional grip and technique

good thing because now its his best shot

Beasty54
01-16-2009, 09:25 PM
its like the way he naturally hit a twohander and no coach ever made him change to more conventional grip and technique

good thing because now its his best shot

However it may give him problems in the future, the way he flicks his wrist like that. Tendonitis or something.

soyizgood
01-16-2009, 10:49 PM
Maybe you should ask Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic about Simon's backhand. :)

Morrowreze
01-16-2009, 11:59 PM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/playerprofiles/?playernumber=SD32

In the picture on his ATP profile he's got a really awkward follow through too.

bolo
01-17-2009, 11:25 AM
Both of his strokes are fun to watch. On his backhand side he looks like he waits until almost the last sec. before hitting the ball, almost like he catches the ball with his racquet before swinging through.