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PascalMariaFan
01-17-2009, 09:12 PM
cant be found on the official site

i understanding the reasoning behind this, nonetheless looking for race points

tacou
01-17-2009, 09:19 PM
they don't exist and dont mean anything

vive le beau jeu !
01-18-2009, 04:43 AM
they don't exist and dont mean anything
they aren't the real rankings, and when they created it, they added some confusion (between the entry ranking and the race) among the fans because it was all about the race (for instance, people were wondering how on earth santoro could be #1 ?!).

but despite all this, they do mean something : they do indicate who is in better position to qualify for to the (year end) masters (http://www.atpworldtour.com/finals/index.html) at one moment of the year. so i think they should have discretely kept them somewhere on the ATP website (naming it "race to the masters" or something like this), as they do for girls (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/rankings/singles_numeric.asp) or for male double teams (http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/rankings/atpdoublesrace/), especially now that most of the people got used to it since 2000.

we could still do it by ourselves, but hey, we are lazy, aren't we ? ;)

Leublu tennis
01-18-2009, 05:38 AM
I stopped paying attention to "race" long before the ATP dropped this meaningless classification.

tacou
01-18-2009, 11:29 AM
they aren't the real rankings, and when they created it, they added some confusion (between the entry ranking and the race) among the fans because it was all about the race (for instance, people were wondering how on earth santoro could be #1 ?!).

but despite all this, they do mean something : they do indicate who is in better position to qualify for to the (year end) masters (http://www.atpworldtour.com/finals/index.html) at one moment of the year. so i think they should have discretely kept them somewhere on the ATP website (naming it "race to the masters" or something like this), as they do for girls (http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/rankings/singles_numeric.asp) or for male double teams (http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/rankings/atpdoublesrace/), especially now that most of the people got used to it since 2000.

we could still do it by ourselves, but hey, we are lazy, aren't we ? ;)

yes they did not confuse me I knew what they were. they only came into play at the very end of the year to let you know who was in the race to qualify (like you said, if Santoro is #1 the race is obviously meaningless at that point) but by the time this comes around, everyone's race and rank are just about the same.

true, we won't know in June EXACTLY when Rafa/Roger have qualified but whoever is the top 8 after Paris goes.

R_Federer
01-18-2009, 11:31 AM
Forgetting "race" and talking about actual rankings suppose if Nadal gets out in the semi-final here and Federer wins it all...will Federer get #1 back?

tacou
01-18-2009, 11:48 AM
if Nadal loses in the semis he'll keep his 13,160 pts

Fed would gain 1280 by winning bringing his total to 12,980.

man I hate the new system

R_Federer
01-18-2009, 11:51 AM
Hmmmm true, thanks.

veroniquem
01-18-2009, 11:53 AM
if Nadal loses in the semis he'll keep his 13,160 pts

Fed would gain 1280 by winning bringing his total to 12,980.

man I hate the new system
Federer has 10700 points right now. How would adding 1280 points come up to 12980? I don't understand.

vive le beau jeu !
01-18-2009, 11:57 AM
if Nadal loses in the semis he'll keep his 13,160 pts
in fact he would lose points because they award less points than before to the finalist, semi-finalists, etc.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=237233
in the case of a slam SF, last year it was 900 points (taking into account the doubling) and now it will be 720 points.
this combined with the doubling of points, it surely brings some confusion !

vive le beau jeu !
01-18-2009, 12:04 PM
Federer has 10700 points right now. How would adding 1280 points come up to 12980? I don't understand.

let's take some examples :

- last year federer won 450 points (by being a semi-finalist) that were doubled at the beginning of 2009, and "became" 900 points.
- last year djokovic won 1000 points (by winning the tournament) that were doubled at the beginning of 2009, and "became" 2000 points.

- if federer wins he will gain 2000 points (this year) and lose 900 points (of last year) = +1100 points.
- if djokovic loses in the SF, he will gain 720 points (this year, see previous post) and lose 2000 points (of last year) = -1280 points.

i hope this helps ! ;)

tacou
01-18-2009, 01:06 PM
Federer has 10700 points right now. How would adding 1280 points come up to 12980? I don't understand.

typo, 11,980*.

tacou
01-18-2009, 01:08 PM
in fact he would lose points because they award less points than before to the finalist, semi-finalists, etc.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=237233
in the case of a slam SF, last year it was 900 points (taking into account the doubling) and now it will be 720 points.
this combined with the doubling of points, it surely brings some confusion !

wait whaaat. I thought all the new numbers implied that player's point had already been adjusted to the new system; i.e. rafa's points now are what they would have been at the end of last year had the new ranking system already been in place for 2008.

if that's not the case, where did all these new point totals come from?

tacou
01-18-2009, 01:09 PM
never mind your post above pretty much explains it, though it all seems pretty dumb.

Fee
01-18-2009, 02:02 PM
there is someone at MTF who is keeping 'race points' this year. I believe the thread has been stickied at the top of the general messages section.

Personally, I'm glad it's gone but I think it's due to pop up on the ATP website as the 'Race to London' at some point later in the season.

vive le beau jeu !
01-21-2009, 03:18 AM
there is someone at MTF who is keeping 'race points' this year. I believe the thread has been stickied at the top of the general messages section.

Personally, I'm glad it's gone but I think it's due to pop up on the ATP website as the 'Race to London' at some point later in the season.
by the way, they still take them into account in the player profiles on the AO website.

for instance, see "Current ATP Champions Race Position" of richie there :
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/players/profile/atpg628.html

Fedexeon
01-21-2009, 03:25 AM
No more race ranking i guess.

veroniquem
01-21-2009, 10:01 AM
No more race ranking i guess.
No, they cancelled it.

veroniquem
01-21-2009, 10:03 AM
let's take some examples :

- last year federer won 450 points (by being a semi-finalist) that were doubled at the beginning of 2009, and "became" 900 points.
- last year djokovic won 1000 points (by winning the tournament) that were doubled at the beginning of 2009, and "became" 2000 points.

- if federer wins he will gain 2000 points (this year) and lose 900 points (of last year) = +1100 points.
- if djokovic loses in the SF, he will gain 720 points (this year, see previous post) and lose 2000 points (of last year) = -1280 points.

i hope this helps ! ;)
Thanks a lot, I understand the system. I was just pointing out that 10700 +1280 doesn't add up to 12980 (but 11980). Tacou corrected it, so everything is clear now.

seffina
01-21-2009, 10:36 AM
This article has what will happen with the four seeds regarding where they go out:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1830.asp

veroniquem
01-21-2009, 10:38 AM
This article has what will happen with the four seeds regarding where they go out:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/1/en/news/newsarticle_1830.asp
Thanks, that was interesting. Nadal will stay #1 no matter what happens at AO.