2009 Teen Tennis and Les Petits As [Archive]

tenniscp

01-18-2009, 07:31 PM

Di Giulio is seeded 8th, and the other 3 Americans are all unseeded.. looks like Lederman went down today, and Madregallejo and Corinteli moved on.. Hopefully they will continue to play well.

Where did you get the info? Good for Nikko and Luca. Too bad for Roy Lederman. However, I spoke to several people close to the sources and they said that Roy should not have even gone. The choice to take Lederman to indoor tournament was not justified. Oh well.

Please give us a link to the results and draws.

floridakeys

01-18-2009, 08:09 PM

http://www.lta.org.uk/news/ scroll down on the left

tenniscp

01-18-2009, 08:16 PM

http://www.lta.org.uk/news/ scroll down on the left

Thanks a lot, FloridaKeys, very kind of you.

Fred

01-18-2009, 08:34 PM

Madregallejo took out a seed. Nice.

tenniscp

01-18-2009, 08:48 PM

Madregallejo took out a seed. Nice.

Yep. Tough three setter. Good job!!! Corinteli 6-3, 6-3, a comfortable win over a guy who is top 50 in Europe. Well done there as well.

I have seen the kid Lederman lost to in Eddie Herr 12's last year, he was ok then , lost 2 nd or 3 rd round.

The girls are seeded, so we will see tomorrow.

Fred

01-18-2009, 09:18 PM

Yep. Tough three setter. Good job!!! Corinteli 6-3, 6-3, a comfortable win over a guy who is top 50 in Europe. Well done there as well.

I have seen the kid Lederman lost to in Eddie Herr 12's last year, he was ok then , lost 2 nd or 3 rd round.

The girls are seeded, so we will see tomorrow.

Lederman actually got to the finals of the Eddie Herr last year.

tenniscp

01-18-2009, 09:31 PM

Lederman actually got to the finals of the Eddie Herr last year.

I know, i failed to put a comma in the right place. I meant that I saw the kid, that Lederman lost to in Teen Tennis, lose 2nd or 3rd round in Eddie Herr last year.

Fred

01-19-2009, 12:28 AM

I know, i failed to put a comma in the right place. I meant that I saw the kid, that Lederman lost to in Teen Tennis, lose 2nd or 3rd round in Eddie Herr last year.

I misread it. Somehow I missed "the kid" in your sentence and read it as "I have seen Lederman ..."

tenniscp

01-19-2009, 09:09 AM

I misread it. Somehow I missed "the kid" in your sentence and read it as "I have seen Lederman ..."

Corinteli took out # 7 seed 6-0, 6-2. Madregallejo beat his opponent 7-6, 6-1. Di Gioulio was in a tough three setter, result not posted yet. There are also doubles today.

Fred

01-19-2009, 11:24 AM

DiGiulio lost 7-6 in the third.

tenniscp

01-19-2009, 09:04 PM

DiGiulio lost 7-6 in the third.

Wow. That is tough, to lose 7-6 in the third. I just looked up and he lost to Obucina from Canada. I am very surprised with that result. Di Giulio should have won easily over Canadian Obucina.

Madregallejo and Corinteli won however. Good for the boys. It looks like Corinteli is crushing the competition, beat a kid who according to the ETA rankings is # 8 in Europe (7 in the tournament), beat him badly 6-1, 6-2. I guess he continues to play well, I saw him in Arizona at winternats, the kid has real game, big, powerful strokes with good touch at the net, rare combination.

I also saw Nikko Madregallejo there. I wonder why Corinteli was paired up with Lederman in dubs and not with Nikko. That would have been a kick ass combination.

Fred

01-20-2009, 10:27 AM

tacticaltennis

01-20-2009, 11:12 AM

The girls are doing great -
Sachia, Vicki, and Brooke are all still in. :)

tacticaltennis

01-20-2009, 03:06 PM

Does anyone know if the draws posted are up to date for today?
Thanks

tenniscp

01-20-2009, 08:24 PM

Madregallejo and Corinteli are into the QF. Corinteli's opponent retired down 2-1 in the third.

Lederman won his first cosolation match and then withdrew due to a shoulder injury apparently. Di Giulio won his first consolation match.

I saw that. Nikko is doing great. Looks like Corinteli was administering a beat down when the kid retired 5-7, 6-1 2-1 ret.

Well, we have two boys and three girls in the quarters. Good showing so far!!!

BTW, Fred, read your other post on Samarjic, loved the response you gave "Bet". He seems like a guy that wants to exercise his eloquence and explore hypethetical scenarios that have very little relevance to a very simple task at hand. I was surprised he did not suggest that Samarjic, a Serb by birth, be tried for crimes against humanity:)

danny.k

01-21-2009, 07:23 AM

corinteli in the semis, nikko lost

LETS GO LUCA

Fred

01-21-2009, 02:09 PM

And three American girls are into the semis. That's outstanding!

Also, Di Giulio has advanced to the consolation bracket final.

tenniscp

01-21-2009, 05:54 PM

corinteli in the semis, nikko lost

LETS GO LUCA

Are the draws updated? Last I checked, they were not. Danny K. What is the source of your information?

Fred

01-21-2009, 05:55 PM

Are the draws updated? Last I checked, they were not. Danny K. What is the source of your information?

They have been updated. Try refreshing the page.

Corinteli won 6-4, 6-4. Madregallejo lost 6-3, 7-6(1).

This is impressive stuff from Coric, who just turned 12 a couple months ago. It's also surprising because he lost in the semis of the Orange Bowl in the 12-and-under division.

tenniscp

01-21-2009, 05:59 PM

They have been updated. Try refreshing the page.

Ok. I see now. Wow, three out four semifinalists US girls. I sort of predicted that. However, as far as boys go, it is pleasant to see that we had a quarterfinalist and have a semifinalist (so far). So much for all the doubters of this 95 group of kids.

I sort of saw Corinteli doing well in this tourney, I saw him play in Arizona and the report from USTA playoffs was that he is really stepping up.

Let's go USA!!!!!

tenniscp

01-21-2009, 06:03 PM

They have been updated. Try refreshing the page.

Corinteli won 6-4, 6-4. Madregallejo lost 6-3, 7-6(1).

This is impressive stuff from Coric, who just turned 12 a couple months ago. It's also surprising because he lost in the semis of the Orange Bowl in the 12-and-under division.

Borna Coric has been the most talked about kid in Europe from what I hear. You are right, him losing in OB was a surprise, but at that age bad matches happen to good players. I also know that Silva is one of the prodigies in Europe. They say he is a lefty with a huge serve and backhand, very agile. Good job on Corinteli, if that is the case.

Fred

01-21-2009, 06:04 PM

I sort of saw Corinteli doing well in this tourney, I saw him play in Arizona and the report from USTA playoffs was that he is really stepping up.

Unfortunately for Corinteli, he's going to have to qualify at Les Petits As no matter how well he does at Teen Tennis. Lederman will have to as well. Di Giulio and Madregallejo got direct entry.

Fred

01-21-2009, 06:06 PM

Borna Coric has been the most talked about kid in Europe from what I hear. You are right, him losing in OB was a surprise, but at that age bad matches happen to good players. I also know that Silva is one of the prodigies in Europe. They say he is a lefty with a huge serve and backhand, very agile. Good job on Corinteli, if that is the case.

It makes me wonder how good Chung (the Orange Bowl and Eddie Herr winner) is.

Quinzi gets a ton of attention as well. It will be interesting to see how he does at Les Petits.

tenniscp

01-21-2009, 06:32 PM

Unfortunately for Corinteli, he's going to have to qualify at Les Petits As no matter how well he does at Teen Tennis. Lederman will have to as well. Di Giulio and Madregallejo got direct entry.

I looked at Le Petits acceptance list and there are two spots marked SE or special exempt. I wonder if they are saved for the kids who do well in Teens.
I saw that Lederman retired with an injury. Anyone know if he will play the qualies?

tenniscp

01-21-2009, 06:34 PM

It makes me wonder how good Chung (the Orange Bowl and Eddie Herr winner) is.

Quinzi gets a ton of attention as well. It will be interesting to see how he does at Les Petits.

Petits are the same kids with addition of Quinzi, Kekercheni and couple of other kids. Other than that, it looks like the same crowd.

I think Di guilio will rebound and do well there, since he is in the finals of the back, playing a British kid who is # 2 in ETA.

Fred

01-21-2009, 06:39 PM

I looked at Le Petits acceptance list and there are two spots marked SE or special exempt. I wonder if they are saved for the kids who do well in Teens.

In that case, maybe he will get in directly. I'm not sure what else the special exemptions would be for.

danny.k

01-21-2009, 06:49 PM

my name is danny k but my real name is daniel kerznerman my source is luca

tenniscp

01-21-2009, 06:58 PM

my name is danny k but my real name is daniel kerznerman my source is luca

That is brave of you to come out and reveal your name. How is Luca your course? He calls you from England?

BTW, you should check out some of my previous threads. There were some discussions about you in previous threads. Look for them.

danny.k

01-21-2009, 07:21 PM

he messages me and btw i saw those threads

tenniscp

01-21-2009, 08:54 PM

he messages me and btw i saw those threads

I am going to assume he is your friend, then. Good. Keep us informed, if you get info on Luca and others before they update on the net.

danny.k

01-22-2009, 08:00 AM

luca lost 7-6 7-6 but he is happy with the tournament

tenniscp

01-22-2009, 10:02 AM

luca lost 7-6 7-6 but he is happy with the tournament

Just saw the updated score, two tiebreaks, lost both 7-2 and 9-7. That is a tough loss!

So it is Hoyt and Milosevic in the finals. Milosevic took out Tyler Gardiner 6-1, 6-2 in this year's Eddie Herr.

I guess, it is still a very solid result for Corinteli.

BTW, girl's final is All American, Vickery against Duval. We are guaranteed an American winner.

Fred

01-22-2009, 11:45 AM

Di Giulio got beat 4-0, 4-2 in the consolation final.

tenniscp

01-22-2009, 04:24 PM

Di Giulio got beat 4-0, 4-2 in the consolation final.

Joseph lost to Luke Bambridge, who is a very good player. I think the scores suggest that they start a set at 2-2. Thus 4/0 and 4/2 would mean losing 6-2, 6-4.

In doubles though Nikko and Joseph got beat pretty badly 6-0, 6-2. Wow!!!

danny.k

01-22-2009, 06:38 PM

i beat luke bambrige two years ago at the orange bowl

tenniscp

01-22-2009, 07:11 PM

i beat luke bambrige two years ago at the orange bowl

That is a good win for you, Daniel. I do not know how good he was then, but now he is #2 or 3 in ETA. And he just beat Di Giulio pretty handily.

Good job two years ago for you though.

danny.k

01-22-2009, 08:11 PM

he was number 2 in england when i beat him

Fred

01-22-2009, 09:00 PM

Joseph lost to Luke Bambridge, who is a very good player. I think the scores suggest that they start a set at 2-2. Thus 4/0 and 4/2 would mean losing 6-2, 6-4.

In doubles though Nikko and Joseph got beat pretty badly 6-0, 6-2. Wow!!!

Di Giulio won 20% of the games, which would translate to 6-1, 6-2 if they played full sets.

BradBaughman

01-23-2009, 03:29 PM

Di Giulio won 20% of the games, which would translate to 6-1, 6-2 if they played full sets.

what ive seen is some of these "hitters" have grown up, put the size on and now the defensive play is not working as well

tenniscp

01-23-2009, 04:44 PM

what ive seen is some of these "hitters" have grown up, put the size on and now the defensive play is not working as well

I am not sure exactly what you meant by that. Whom did you mean are "big hitters" with defensive plays?

The only big hitter that went to Teen Tennis and Petits was Corinteli, maybe Madregallejo to a certain extent, but you can't categorize Di Giulio and Lederman as big hitters.

And both Nikko and Luca did pretty well. Nikko lost in quarters, going down in a very tough match 6-3, 7-6 and Corinteli dropped only two sets by the time he got to the semis and they were both 7-6, 7-6 tiebreak sets.

Fred

01-23-2009, 04:55 PM

I am not sure exactly what you meant by that. Whom did you mean are "big hitters" with defensive plays?

The only big hitter that went to Teen Tennis and Petits was Corinteli, maybe Madregallejo to a certain extent, but you can't categorize Di Giulio and Lederman as big hitters.

And both Nikko and Luca did pretty well. Nikko lost in quarters, going down in a very tough match 6-3, 7-6 and Corinteli dropped only two sets by the time he got to the semis and they were both 7-6, 7-6 tiebreak sets.

I think he meant that defensive players like Di Giulio who thrived in the 12s are now struggling to compete against bigger and stronger competition.

BradBaughman

01-23-2009, 05:01 PM

I think he meant that defensive players like Di Giulio who thrived in the 12s are now struggling to compete against bigger and stronger competition.

you nailed it Fred, most the kids that dominated early are finding out in a hard way now, they should have learned how to drive through the ball and sacrificed the wins early on, ive seen this over and over.

tenniscp

01-23-2009, 05:07 PM

you nailed it Fred, most the kids that dominated early are finding out in a hard way now, they should have learned how to drive through the ball and sacrificed the wins early on, ive seen this over and over.

Oh, I see. There is no guarantee, however that Corinteli and Madregallejo will be the ones progressing nicely in the future. What happens if Joseph and Roy will learn and adjust to the bigger game and will tweek their technique? It is possible.

I do agree, however, that out of these four that went Nikko and Luca certainly have more impressive game for now and have something to built on for the future. Corinteli drives through the ball on both sides (forehand and backhand) and has very good feel for the ball as well. And Nikko is very solid on the backhand, has good hands, as one can tell from his good doubles results.

tenniscp

01-23-2009, 05:10 PM

I think he meant that defensive players like Di Giulio who thrived in the 12s are now struggling to compete against bigger and stronger competition.

BTW, on a completely unrelated subject. I am watching Monfils play Almagro. What a difference a coach makes. Monfils is not just playing defence but is finishing the points aggressively. He will beat Tsonga in the next round and will make it to the quarters, and from there one never knows.

BradBaughman

01-23-2009, 05:14 PM

Oh, I see. There is no guarantee, however that Corinteli and Madregallejo will be the ones progressing nicely in the future. What happens if Joseph and Roy will learn and adjust to the bigger game and will tweek their technique? It is possible.

I do agree, however, that out of these four that went Nikko and Luca certainly have more impressive game for now and have something to built on for the future. Corinteli drives through the ball on both sides (forehand and backhand) and has very good feel for the ball as well. And Nikko is very solid on the backhand, has good hands, as one can tell from his good doubles results.

these guys are from my area ive watched them all and expected most of what im seeing unfold , they have tried to tweek there games some but when the pressures on the seem to resort back to what they know! Luca is hitting the ball well his Dad a great guy met him at Eddie Hur.

tenniscp

01-23-2009, 05:21 PM

these guys are from my area ive watched them all and expected most of what im seeing unfold , they have tried to tweek there games some but when the pressures on the seem to resort back to what they know! Luca is hitting the ball well his Dad a great guy met him at Eddie Hur.

Never met Luca's dad, however, I think I have seen him. Is he a big, tall guy? Twice or three times I saw Luca play this guy was always there. He is very chill though, so I did not make the connection, ususally parents get more into matches.

Luca certainly hits the ball, and if that is his dad, he will probably be a tall, strong kid. Whoever designed his game did the right thing, aggressive is the way to go for that kid.

Fred

01-23-2009, 05:51 PM

BTW, on a completely unrelated subject. I am watching Monfils play Almagro. What a difference a coach makes. Monfils is not just playing defence but is finishing the points aggressively. He will beat Tsonga in the next round and will make it to the quarters, and from there one never knows.

Monfils will play either Ancic or Simon. Tsonga would be in the semis.

tenniscp

01-23-2009, 06:37 PM

Monfils will play either Ancic or Simon. Tsonga would be in the semis.

I know. I thought he will get through either one of them.

Fred

01-23-2009, 06:50 PM

I know. I thought he will get through either one of them.

You said Tsonga.

tenniscp

01-23-2009, 06:51 PM

Monfils will play either Ancic or Simon. Tsonga would be in the semis.

Just took another look at the draw. Sry, Monfils will beat either Ancic or Simon, but then he has Nadal. That is a tough one to predict. I still will take Rafa in that one. For some reason, I had Tsonga instead of Simon in the next round originally. Tsonga will have to beat Murray to get to the semis.

Fred

01-23-2009, 07:25 PM

Corinteli and Lederman are in the qualifying draw at Les Petits, and each received a first round bye.

BradBaughman

01-23-2009, 09:02 PM

Never met Luca's dad, however, I think I have seen him. Is he a big, tall guy? Twice or three times I saw Luca play this guy was always there. He is very chill though, so I did not make the connection, ususally parents get more into matches.

Luca certainly hits the ball, and if that is his dad, he will probably be a tall, strong kid. Whoever designed his game did the right thing, aggressive is the way to go for that kid.

Thats him his name is zawsha like "sasha"with a "z" forgive me for the attempt he's a great guy nice as can be, never saw his son play but he watched my kid and said his son hit big also. I hope Luka does well his dad spends a lot of time with him and its would be great to see them get rewarded for their work!

tenniscp

01-23-2009, 10:00 PM

Thats him his name is zawsha like "sasha"with a "z" forgive me for the attempt he's a great guy nice as can be, never saw his son play but he watched my kid and said his son hit big also. I hope Luka does well his dad spends a lot of time with him and its would be great to see them get rewarded for their work!

Brad, I have seen your son play. I liked him, he has nice long strokes. The match I watched a bit of, at Eddie Herr, he was creaming some kid. Your kid was aggressive and was dictating the play. With his body frame and type, it will be well advised for him to play that way.

Next year he is going to get a chance to play Teen Tennis and Petits.

BradBaughman

01-23-2009, 10:27 PM

Brad, I have seen your son play. I liked him, he has nice long strokes. The match I watched a bit of, at Eddie Herr, he was creaming some kid. Your kid was aggressive and was dictating the play. With his body frame and type, it will be well advised for him to play that way.

Next year he is going to get a chance to play Teen Tennis and Petits.

were wondering if he will play those , the direction we want to go in we might skip those , he does want to play Hurr again though

Fred

01-23-2009, 10:54 PM

were wondering if he will play those , the direction we want to go in we might skip those , he does want to play Hurr again though

Why wouldn't you want to play the Orange Bowl, Teen Tennis, and Les Petits?

BradBaughman

01-24-2009, 06:51 AM

Why wouldn't you want to play the Orange Bowl, Teen Tennis, and Les Petits?

The direction were wanting to go we don't see the juniors being that important and all the money spent there. Deiton wants to go pro so his preparation is for that.But we will play some tournys in areas we have friends as for petite orange will see!

Fred

01-24-2009, 11:54 AM

The direction were wanting to go we don't see the juniors being that important and all the money spent there. Deiton wants to go pro so his preparation is for that.But we will play some tournys in areas we have friends as for petite orange will see!

But don't you think it's important to play top shelf competition as part of one's development? You won't find better competition in your son's age group than at those tournaments.

BradBaughman

01-24-2009, 01:33 PM

But don't you think it's important to play top shelf competition as part of one's development? You won't find better competition in your son's age group than at those tournaments.

i do think they have there benefits ,im just not convinced its needed if you want to go pro , my son is one who always comes to compete its like he tourny tough right out of the box , his lack of tourny's has cost him here and there a little but nothing we worry about at this point . As for those tourny's he would have to go with a coaching staff he's not to crazy about and he kinda runs his own show , right now we've been trying to talk to him about hiring himself his own coach doing it on his own is getting a little old although hes done well so far!

BradBaughman

01-24-2009, 01:34 PM

Fred

01-24-2009, 02:01 PM

where do you reside east or west coast

Neither. Why do you ask?

tenniscp

01-24-2009, 05:16 PM

i do think they have there benefits ,im just not convinced its needed if you want to go pro , my son is one who always comes to compete its like he tourny tough right out of the box , his lack of tourny's has cost him here and there a little but nothing we worry about at this point . As for those tourny's he would have to go with a coaching staff he's not to crazy about and he kinda runs his own show , right now we've been trying to talk to him about hiring himself his own coach doing it on his own is getting a little old although hes done well so far!

Are you saying that you are completely skipping the junior scene? If you decide to skip Orange Bowl, Eddie Herr, Petits and Teen Tennis which represents the highest level of local and international competition, why would you then put your son in local California tournaments and Agassi No Quit tournaments. It makes no sense to skip big, major tournaments and play insignificant ones where the competition is not as stiff.

I respect your decision to try becoming a pro path, because I think it is important to know from the get go, what one is training for. Especially, when you have a kid, such as yours, who is obviously talented.

However, I have seen him play and I would say he needs to play kids who are his age or a bit older, who are at the top of their age group. You may not be competing against anyone kid, but you must have your son try to hold his own against kids like Nikko, Joseph, Corinteli, Macky, Butsch and ythe others. He is stiil a kid, as big as he is, there is a lot of what I call baby fat in his game and he can start polishing it up in a competetive environment, against the solid players.

I hope you will not take my comments out of context and only see criticism. I have seen a lot of kids develop and progress throughout the years, and I am here to tell you that a competetive environment is one the keys to making a pro.

tenniscp

01-24-2009, 05:18 PM

BTW, both Lederman and Corinteli won their second round qualifying matches at Les Petits. Keep it going, boys.

BradBaughman

01-24-2009, 06:49 PM

Neither. Why do you ask?

get and idea of which juniors you are watching !

BradBaughman

01-24-2009, 07:00 PM

Are you saying that you are completely skipping the junior scene? If you decide to skip Orange Bowl, Eddie Herr, Petits and Teen Tennis which represents the highest level of local and international competition, why would you then put your son in local California tournaments and Agassi No Quit tournaments. It makes no sense to skip big, major tournaments and play insignificant ones where the competition is not as stiff.

I respect your decision to try becoming a pro path, because I think it is important to know from the get go, what one is training for. Especially, when you have a kid, such as yours, who is obviously talented.

However, I have seen him play and I would say he needs to play kids who are his age or a bit older, who are at the top of their age group. You may not be competing against anyone kid, but you must have your son try to hold his own against kids like Nikko, Joseph, Corinteli, Macky, Butsch and ythe others. He is stiil a kid, as big as he is, there is a lot of what I call baby fat in his game and he can start polishing it up in a competetive environment, against the solid players.

I hope you will not take my comments out of context and only see criticism. I have seen a lot of kids develop and progress throughout the years, and I am here to tell you that a competetive environment is one the keys to making a pro.

none taken, criticism is good btw it helps you to improve, i see what your saying its just there's a couple of ways of doing this and the "aggressive" junior route is not it for us. as for the tourny choice we plan them according to which ones are closest to our friends 2 birds 1 stone

babolatking

01-24-2009, 07:09 PM

BradBaughman

01-24-2009, 07:15 PM

Its Zaza Brad, I played next to him at College Park, MD, before Luca started to play overseas.

Thanx hes a great guy fun to hang out with at a tourny

tenniscp

01-24-2009, 07:23 PM

none taken, criticism is good btw it helps you to improve, i see what your saying its just there's a couple of ways of doing this and the "aggressive" junior route is not it for us. as for the tourny choice we plan them according to which ones are closest to our friends 2 birds 1 stone

I now understand the tournament choices, however, excuse my naivete, but if you chose for your son to go pro, please tell me that there is more than just simple geography that goes into decision making.

While you are trying to hit two birds with one stone, and chose tournaments close to your friends, chances are, your kid is missing out on playing tough, competetive matches against juniors that are getting invaluable experience by learning to play in pressure situations, learning the patterns, dealing with adversity and etc.

tenniscp

01-24-2009, 07:25 PM

Its Zaza Brad, I played next to him at College Park, MD, before Luca started to play overseas.

You played Luca before his overseas trip? Or you played Zaza?

BradBaughman

01-24-2009, 08:13 PM

I now understand the tournament choices, however, excuse my naivete, but if you chose for your son to go pro, please tell me that there is more than just simple geography that goes into decision making.

While you are trying to hit two birds with one stone, and chose tournaments close to your friends, chances are, your kid is missing out on playing tough, competetive matches against juniors that are getting invaluable experience by learning to play in pressure situations, learning the patterns, dealing with adversity and etc.

Our approach is a little different then most. We believe in building the player with the weapons, the movement, the strategy, keep the technique solid etc...Playing tournaments here and there allows him to taste the pressure, but also allows us to save his body for when it really matters 15-17 yrs. old. At that point we'll use the futures, challengers to complete the transition.

tenniscp

01-24-2009, 10:03 PM

Our approach is a little different then most. We believe in building the player with the weapons, the movement, the strategy, keep the technique solid etc...Playing tournaments here and there allows him to taste the pressure, but also allows us to save his body for when it really matters 15-17 yrs. old. At that point we'll use the futures, challengers to complete the transition.

Well, best of luck with your approach. Maybe, it will prove to be the right one and we will all learn something new. I, for one, do not mind learning new ways to make players.

I agree with a part where one has to, absolutely, have a solid foundation technically and movement wise. Those things you can teach in a non-competetive environment, through drills and physical exercises and building stammina and etc.

However, developing weapons and strategy will be futile if one does apply them in matches. Eventually, you may have an excellent ball striker with a solid foundation, that will still be "preserved" as you put by the age 15-17 when it matters. The reality at that point may be though that it will take your player a long time to get into the groove of competing and he may not be ready to win matches (when it will matter).

And God forbid, he will be unprepared and sort of having an "out of bubble experience", and will start losing.... Then, you have protected him and nurtured him only to have him doubt the sanity of the whole approach. It is a dangerous territory and you are walking right on the tip of the blade.

BradBaughman

01-24-2009, 10:45 PM

Well, best of luck with your approach. Maybe, it will prove to be the right one and we will all learn something new. I, for one, do not mind learning new ways to make players.

I agree with a part where one has to, absolutely, have a solid foundation technically and movement wise. Those things you can teach in a non-competetive environment, through drills and physical exercises and building stammina and etc.

However, developing weapons and strategy will be futile if one does apply them in matches. Eventually, you may have an excellent ball striker with a solid foundation, that will still be "preserved" as you put by the age 15-17 when it matters. The reality at that point may be though that it will take your player a long time to get into the groove of competing and he may not be ready to win matches (when it will matter).

And God forbid, he will be unprepared and sort of having an "out of bubble experience", and will start losing.... Then, you have protected him and nurtured him only to have him doubt the sanity of the whole approach. It is a dangerous territory and you are walking right on the tip of the blade.

Your point is understood, we've had a plan since day one and so far we've executed it at every part and in some areas were ahead of the curve , my background is boxing and grappling and the way you groom someone in those sports is and has to be efficient they are brutal on the body ,we are using that model on Deiton and so far its been great .We do see the areas he lacks but are not to concerned we believe these can be delt with in a short period of time. Once again if it came down to playing a junior in europe or hitting against no.1 on a d1 team for a week ill take the college experience lol. thanx for your thoughts , are you a coach?

tenniscp

01-24-2009, 11:15 PM

Your point is understood, we've had a plan since day one and so far we've executed it at every part and in some areas were ahead of the curve , my background is boxing and grappling and the way you groom someone in those sports is and has to be efficient they are brutal on the body ,we are using that model on Deiton and so far its been great .We do see the areas he lacks but are not to concerned we believe these can be delt with in a short period of time. Once again if it came down to playing a junior in europe or hitting against no.1 on a d1 team for a week ill take the college experience lol. thanx for your thoughts , are you a coach?

In response to your last question, yes I am a coach. I like the fact that you are willing to familiarize yourself with different opinions, even though they may be very far away from your approach is.

I have detected that your mind is made up and you are taking your course, no matter what, but it is good to see that you are out there, listening, deliberating and etc.

BradBaughman

01-25-2009, 08:40 AM

In response to your last question, yes I am a coach. I like the fact that you are willing to familiarize yourself with different opinions, even though they may be very far away from your approach is.

I have detected that your mind is made up and you are taking your course, no matter what, but it is good to see that you are out there, listening, deliberating and etc.

i do consider all that is said and i don't mind making changes to improve our path ,if you're not flexible or you're a know it all your sunk! right now what we've been doing has worked well so far and thats having Deiton on the court about a third of the time most the top juniors are doing he spends about 7-10 hrs a week on court sometimes less and has had good results.

tenniscp

01-25-2009, 09:02 AM

Update for Petits: Corinteli won his third round match 6-2, 6-2, Lederman won 6-4, 6-1. They are both in the finals of the qualies.

Fred

01-26-2009, 01:22 AM

Lederman and Corinteli both qualified.

tenniscp

01-26-2009, 01:33 AM

Lederman and Corinteli both qualified.

Hey Fred! Are you watching Tsonga just school Blake? I thought I was the only crazy one staying up this late. However, Tsonga vs Blake - mouthwatering match. I am staying up for that.

Congrats to the boys. I am assuming you are watching the live scoring on Petits.

Fred

01-26-2009, 11:06 AM

Hey Fred! Are you watching Tsonga just school Blake? I thought I was the only crazy one staying up this late. However, Tsonga vs Blake - mouthwatering match. I am staying up for that.

Congrats to the boys. I am assuming you are watching the live scoring on Petits.

I watched the first two sets of Blake-Tsonga. It could not have been more clear who was going to win the match after the second set (and even the first, really). I'm a Tsonga fan, though, so I'm not terribly disappointed. I dearly want a Tsonga-Nadal rematch.

Di Giulio and Madregallejo both won their first round matches. Lederman and Corinteli will play tonight. Lederman had the misfortune of drawing Borna Coric.

BradBaughman

01-26-2009, 08:14 PM

Fred

01-26-2009, 09:09 PM

have you seen borna lately is he still hack and dice or is he hitting through the ball yet.

No idea, but he just reached the finals of Teen Tennis.

Edit: Actually, he made the semis. My mistake.

tenniscp

01-27-2009, 01:20 AM

have you seen borna lately is he still hack and dice or is he hitting through the ball yet.

Borna Coric was born in November 1996, which probably makes him the youngest 96 ranked top five in ETA. The kid is a head case, but very talented. Lederman plays him first round at Petits. Hopefully, Roy can take him out.

BTW, Corinteli qualified for the main draw at Petits, won 3 or 4 matches and I just saw an update and he won his first round main draw match over some kid from Belgium. Nikko and Joseph won their first round matches as well.

tenniscp

01-27-2009, 01:26 AM

I watched the first two sets of Blake-Tsonga. It could not have been more clear who was going to win the match after the second set (and even the first, really). I'm a Tsonga fan, though, so I'm not terribly disappointed. I dearly want a Tsonga-Nadal rematch.

Di Giulio and Madregallejo both won their first round matches. Lederman and Corinteli will play tonight. Lederman had the misfortune of drawing Borna Coric.

Hey Fred, I am a Tsonga fan as well. I am very patriotic when it comes to US players, but all the patriotism stops when it comes to Blake. He is one stubborn tennis player and deep down I wanted Tsonga to win and knew he would, matching Blake's power while maintaining control over important points with his superior athletic ability and unbelievable touch at the net.

As far as our kids in France, Corinteli won his opening match in the main. That kid has played a lot of matches on this trip. It must be close to 10 or 11 matches he has played. I think he only lost one, in the semis of Teen Tennis to Hoyt 7-6, 7-6. That is impressive!

I checked out Di Giulio's draw. He is safe for the next two rounds, I think. In quarters could be tested.

OleNole

01-27-2009, 08:18 AM

Coric beat Lederman in 3.
2-6 6-3 6-2

tenniscp

01-27-2009, 12:22 PM

Coric beat Lederman in 3.
2-6 6-3 6-2

Wow. Pity. I really wanted Roy to win that match, he needed it. Tis trip has not been kind to him. Hopefully he can get a win in doubles, he is playing with Luca Corinteli.

Fred

01-27-2009, 03:07 PM

Lederman and Corinteli did indeed win their doubles match.

Quinzi, who's #4 in the ETA rankings, lost 6-0, 6-2 in the first round. Ouch.

tenniscp

01-27-2009, 07:20 PM

Lederman and Corinteli did indeed win their doubles match.

Quinzi, who's #4 in the ETA rankings, lost 6-0, 6-2 in the first round. Ouch.

Quinzi lost to Miocic who beat Lederman in Teen Tennis. I always thought that Quinzi was overrated, and from what I hear, the courts in France are not as fast as the ones in Teen Tennis. That makes Quinzi's loss even worse.

tenniscp

01-28-2009, 07:03 AM

Nikko Madregallejo lost a tough match today at Petits to Igor Smilansky (ISR) 6-4, 6-4. Di Giulio won easily in straights. Corinteli won a three setter, coming back from a set down 3-6,6-3,6-3. Lederman is in the back draw. No updates for Lederman's match yet.

danny.k

01-28-2009, 04:18 PM

tenniscp do u mind giving me your name

tenniscrazed

01-28-2009, 06:07 PM

Your point is understood, we've had a plan since day one and so far we've executed it at every part and in some areas were ahead of the curve , my background is boxing and grappling and the way you groom someone in those sports is and has to be efficient they are brutal on the body ,we are using that model on Deiton and so far its been great .We do see the areas he lacks but are not to concerned we believe these can be delt with in a short period of time. Once again if it came down to playing a junior in europe or hitting against no.1 on a d1 team for a week ill take the college experience lol. thanx for your thoughts , are you a coach?

Plan not working, double breadstick. Better go to plan "B"
http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/tournamenthome/PlayerDetail.aspx?T=79019&L=A&P=0185182177176184179178178185

Fred

01-28-2009, 06:26 PM

tenniscp

01-28-2009, 06:56 PM

tenniscp do u mind giving me your name

Hey Danny K. We are not all as brave as you are. I can't give my name for several reasons. Reason one, I am a coach, who has been around for a while and a lot of people in the tennis industry know me. Reason two, this forum is created for the purpose of expressing one's opinions while remaining anynomous. Let's stick to the original intent of this forum.

tenniscp

01-28-2009, 06:59 PM

Plan not working, double breadstick. Better go to plan "B"
http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/tournamenthome/PlayerDetail.aspx?T=79019&L=A&P=0185182177176184179178178185

Spencer Simon is supposed to beat Baughman with that score, he is at least 3 years older, and at one point was considered one of the strong 1993's in the country.

I am actually surprised that he lost 2 games.

tenniscp

01-28-2009, 07:43 PM

Lederman and Corinteli did indeed win their doubles match.

Quinzi, who's #4 in the ETA rankings, lost 6-0, 6-2 in the first round. Ouch.

Just checked out the draws for Petits. Lederman lost in the back draw as well and Corinteli/Lederman retired in doubles while trailing 1-4 in the first set. Anyone has any info on this. In Teen Tennis Lederman withdrew with an elbow injury from doubles. Is it the same injury? Or was it Corinteli?

Fred

01-28-2009, 07:56 PM

Just checked out the draws for Petits. Lederman lost in the back draw as well and Corinteli/Lederman retired in doubles while trailing 1-4 in the first set. Anyone has any info on this. In Teen Tennis Lederman withdrew with an elbow injury from doubles. Is it the same injury? Or was it Corinteli?

Corinteli is on tonight's OOP, so it would appear that he hasn't withdrawn from the tournament.

tenniscp

01-28-2009, 08:06 PM

Corinteli is on tonight's OOP, so it would appear that he hasn't withdrawn from the tournament.

Thanks Fred, did not check that out. Normally, they list the reason, like in Teen Tennis it said "Lederman, left elbow injury".

Since we only have Di Giulio and Corinteli left in the main, I wanted to make sure that they both will play.

BradBaughman

01-28-2009, 09:39 PM

Spencer Simon is supposed to beat Baughman with that score, he is at least 3 years older, and at one point was considered one of the strong 1993's in the country.

I am actually surprised that he lost 2 games.

Yes, Simon is supposed to win, but we dont go off of age, not that it matters, a loss is a loss, Deiton had 8 break chances in that match, just never converted it over to his game. The score says one thing but sitting there watching it go from ad-in to ad-out multiple times speaks for itself. In all the long rallies Deiton usually won them, it was mostly Simons lefty serve that kept him at a great advantage, his serve is very nice, he has a lot more experience than Deiton, but it was good match for him. It just confirms that we will keep him playing up.

10isRocs

01-28-2009, 09:48 PM

Yes, Simon is supposed to win, but we dont go off of age, not that it matters, a loss is a loss, Deiton had 8 break chances in that match, just never converted it over to his game. The score says one thing but sitting there watching it go from ad-in to ad-out multiple times speaks for itself. In all the long rallies Deiton usually won them, it was mostly Simons lefty serve that kept him at a great advantage, his serve is very nice, he has a lot more experience than Deiton, but it was good match for him. It just confirms that we will keep him playing up.

Spencer was training with USTA High Performance in Florida. Not sure if he is still there but to even taking him to deuce, converting or not, was awesome for your son at his age. Congrats!

BradBaughman

01-28-2009, 10:26 PM

Spencer was training with USTA High Performance in Florida. Not sure if he is still there but to even taking him to deuce, converting or not, was awesome for your son at his age. Congrats!

Spencer has a great serve ,even when my son moved into the doub's alley to give him down the middle and he still went wide, right at Deit and it ended up a 1-2 punch.The kid has a cool demeanor even when he would serve at ad-out it was like he was serving at 15-0.

Fred

01-28-2009, 10:52 PM

Yes, Simon is supposed to win, but we dont go off of age, not that it matters, a loss is a loss, Deiton had 8 break chances in that match, just never converted it over to his game. The score says one thing but sitting there watching it go from ad-in to ad-out multiple times speaks for itself. In all the long rallies Deiton usually won them, it was mostly Simons lefty serve that kept him at a great advantage, his serve is very nice, he has a lot more experience than Deiton, but it was good match for him. It just confirms that we will keep him playing up.

So is he going to play any U14 events? How about the Easter Bowl?

BradBaughman

01-29-2009, 12:32 AM

So is he going to play any U14 events? How about the Easter Bowl?

were making the move we have been waiting to make ,he will play the 16's from here on out and as he puts on some weight on will play some 18;s, we will see what he needs to work on from tourny to tourny and look to and keep building

tenniscp

01-29-2009, 06:25 AM

They just updated the scores on Petits. Di Giulio won his match, is through to the quarters where he plays number 1 seed, the winner of Teen Tennis, Milosevic.

Corinteli lost badly 6-1, 6-1 to and English kid. Wow! That's a blowout. 1 and 1. I wonder what happened.

Nikko and Joseph lost in doubles to the English kids.

tenniscrazed

01-29-2009, 12:38 PM

Yes, Simon is supposed to win, but we dont go off of age, not that it matters, a loss is a loss, Deiton had 8 break chances in that match, just never converted it over to his game. The score says one thing but sitting there watching it go from ad-in to ad-out multiple times speaks for itself. In all the long rallies Deiton usually won them, it was mostly Simons lefty serve that kept him at a great advantage, his serve is very nice, he has a lot more experience than Deiton, but it was good match for him. It just confirms that we will keep him playing up.

Double breadstick dude. There aren't "8 breaks". Look from what I have seen on your vids etc. He's decent for his age. Thats all.

BradBaughman

01-29-2009, 01:11 PM

Double breadstick dude. There aren't "8 breaks". Look from what I have seen on your vids etc. He's decent for his age. Thats all.

not sure where your coming from exactly but when it goes from ad-out to ad-in back to ad-out then ad-in, maybe im putting it wrong but there were plenty of chances to break ,he just didn't convert those , as for him being decent for his age your the only one who thinks "he's decent" ,men like Peter Smith of SC good ole Nick and plenty more think he's a little more then decent for his age, and others who are putting their money where their mouth is would probably consider you a fool with your assesment!

tenniscp

01-29-2009, 01:25 PM

Corinteli is on tonight's OOP, so it would appear that he hasn't withdrawn from the tournament.

Just got the scoop on the retirement from the doubles at Petits. It was apparently because of Corinteli. The boys retired from the match because Corinteli had a sharp pain in the ankle area.

That is a pity! It looked like he was playing a good tourney.

Fred

01-29-2009, 01:41 PM

Just got the scoop on the retirement from the doubles at Petits. It was apparently because of Corinteli. The boys retired from the match because Corinteli had a sharp pain in the ankle area.

That is a pity! It looked like he was playing a good tourney.

That would explain the lopsided score. Bummer.

Well, hopefully Di Giulio will surprise people tonight.

tenniscrazed

01-29-2009, 01:51 PM

not sure where your coming from exactly but when it goes from ad-out to ad-in back to ad-out then ad-in, maybe im putting it wrong but there were plenty of chances to break ,he just didn't convert those , as for him being decent for his age your the only one who thinks "he's decent" ,men like Peter Smith of SC good ole Nick and plenty more think he's a little more then decent for his age, and others who are putting their money where their mouth is would probably consider you a fool with your assesment!

Ad in, AD out etc = too many errors on the servers part.

Well you are right I think that "rickety Nick" the worlds foremost leader on tennis certainly knows something when he sees it. Look man, I've seen your son hit some nice "live fed balls". He's had some nice wins in 9's (little mos), 10s (sectional) and even 12s. When he's full grown etc we will see then.

tenniscp

01-29-2009, 02:09 PM

That would explain the lopsided score. Bummer.

Well, hopefully Di Giulio will surprise people tonight.

I truly think that Di Giulio will beat Milosevic. I have seen Milosevic play at Eddie Herr when he beat Tyler Gardiner. If I recall correctly it was 6-2, 6-2 or similar, however, Joseph has the game to frustrate the big Serb.

The other quarterfinals match up that is interesting is Bambridge against Silva. In Teen Tennis, Silva beat Bambridge 6-4, 6-1 in the round of 16, before losing to Corinteli.

I predict Borna Coric winning his match and the French kid coming through from the bottom.

maratsafin5

01-29-2009, 02:55 PM

tenniscrazed

01-29-2009, 03:03 PM

maratsafin5

01-29-2009, 03:26 PM

Fred

01-29-2009, 03:30 PM

Disregard this post. Apparently I can't delete it.

Fred

01-29-2009, 03:31 PM

I'll tell you what it is. It is an insatiable desire to know about this game, or that game. Take a look at the history of the posts. Tenniscp, from what I've read knows every game from A Serbian Jr., to a Forida teen, to Marcos Baghadatis. In football we called it the couch QB.

Is that a criticism? If so, it's ironic for such a view to be espoused by someone who seems to have quite a bit to say about a 12-year-old.

The fact that these kids are on these boards almost guarantees their doom after the 4-5 position in college, and the 4 position in doubles.

You're saying that top juniors are doomed to be low level college players because they are discussed on this board? And what is your reasoning for that? It is extremely unlikely that anything that is said on a fairly obscure message board is going to impact a player's future. And while most top 14-year-olds do not go on to be great pros, I strongly suspect that they have a considerably higher success rate than those who are not regarded as top prospects at the same age.

maratsafin5

01-29-2009, 03:33 PM

Is that a criticism? If so, it's ironic for such a view to be espoused by someone who seems to have quite a bit to say about a 12-year-old.

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You're saying that top juniors are doomed to be low level college players because they are discussed on this board? And what is your reasoning for that? It is extremely unlikely that anything that is said on a fairly obscure message board is going to impact a player's future. And while most top 14-year-olds do not go on to be great pros, I strongly suspect that they have a considerably higher success rate than those who are not regarded as top prospects at the same age.

For me, I have a totally different opinion. Although they are great players, I don't feel it necessary to have a 6 page discussion on kids that don't necessarily have "promising pro careers" if you will. Again, great level of players, but they haven't reached such acclaim that we need to look up to/adore them.

Fred

01-29-2009, 03:45 PM

For me, I have a totally different opinion. Although they are great players, I don't feel it necessary to have a 6 page discussion on kids that don't necessarily have "promising pro careers" if you will. Again, great level of players, but they haven't reached such acclaim that we need to look up to/adore them.

You're right, it's not necessary. It's not necessary to have any of these message boards. It's not necessary for tennis to exist as a sport. But it does exist and these message boards exist because some people have an interest in these sorts of things. Boards like this exist for the same reasons that you have huge recruiting networks like Rivals and Scout that cover high school football and basketball players. A lot of people actually pay money for information about high school players on those sites. If you don't share that interest, it's pointless to you, but it's not pointless to others.

And I haven't seen anybody say that these players should be anointed as future stars or idolized.

Are you saying that there is something wrong with discussing juniors? Do you find it somehow unsavory?

maratsafin5

01-29-2009, 04:00 PM

You're right, it's not necessary. It's not necessary to have any of these message boards. It's not necessary for tennis to exist as a sport. But it does exist and these message boards exist because some people have an interest in these sorts of things. Boards like this exist for the same reasons that you have huge recruiting networks like Rivals and Scout that cover high school football and basketball players. A lot of people actually pay money for information about high school players on those sites. If you don't share that interest, it's pointless to you, but it's not pointless to others.

And I haven't seen anybody say that these players should be anointed as future stars or idolized.

Are you saying that there is something wrong with discussing juniors? Do you find it somehow unsavory?

Don't really understand where you're coming from....anyway, I was commenting on how junior players have not achieved enough to be worth talking about....especially in depth, how people are analyzing scores and who is partnering with who, stuff like that. Next thing you know, people on here will be commenting on the strings that they use and how one believes that a player should be using a tennis bag that holds 6 rackets and another believing he should have a bag holding 9 rackets.

tenniscrazed

01-29-2009, 04:18 PM

The fact that these kids are on these boards almost guarantees their doom after the 4-5 position in college, and the 4 position in doubles.

Sports boards, sports threads are a relatively new concept. It allows for the discussion of the future of Men's or womens sports. Historically, in the financial markets (I'm a wall street analyst) once the "boards", newspapers, magazines got the "scoop" if you will it was either the bottom or the top. In the genre of these kids. It's the top. Sure their sold 5.0+ players. But that's all they are. No more, no less.

tenniscp

01-29-2009, 05:17 PM

I don't really understand the point of this forum, truly. Shouldn't all of you worry about your own games rather than some strangers whose names you've heard of. I understand if its on the pro tour, even debates about players high than tops 50s like Vince Spadea and Sebastian Grosjean just as examples, but people like Di Guilo and whoever else you guys posted about. But anyways, thanks on the "news updates" for the Brad Gilberts and Patrick Mcenroe's of tenniswarehouse

It is very simple, really. If you do not like this thread or find it pointless, then I do not see how it came about that someone of your stature and importance
ever wound up on it.

This thread is no more or less useless than numerous postings of some crazed and frustrated parents posting videos of their 2, 3 or 7 year olds asking everybody their opinion whether this is the future of tennis.

On this thread we are, at least, discussing real juniors and real people, who have developed a certain skill level worth mentioning, in a real life competition
taking place in England and France.

Forgive those of us who have an understanding and knowledge of where US Junior tennis is today, and certainly forgive us for caring. However, for some of us it is a part of what we do, as coaches or tennis professionals.

My advise to you is not visit this site or thread anymore for it seems to agitate you. Carry on with your daily routines and worry not.

Fred

01-29-2009, 05:47 PM

Don't really understand where you're coming from....

My point was that a lot of things in life are unnecessary, but that doesn't mean that they are pointless or wrong.

What I'm gathering is that you don't understand why people take an interest in juniors. That's fine, but what I don't understand is why it seems to bother you. And if it does, the solution is simple: avoid this board.

maratsafin5

01-29-2009, 06:33 PM

It is very simple, really. If you do not like this thread or find it pointless, then I do not see how it came about that someone of your stature and importance
ever wound up on it.

This thread is no more or less useless than numerous postings of some crazed and frustrated parents posting videos of their 2, 3 or 7 year olds asking everybody their opinion whether this is the future of tennis.

On this thread we are, at least, discussing real juniors and real people, who have developed a certain skill level worth mentioning, in a real life competition
taking place in England and France.

Forgive those of us who have an understanding and knowledge of where US Junior tennis is today, and certainly forgive us for caring. However, for some of us it is a part of what we do, as coaches or tennis professionals.

My advise to you is not visit this site or thread anymore for it seems to agitate you. Carry on with your daily routines and worry not.

Go on, I have no problem with this discussion. But don't you think you guys are analyzing kids who for the most part will not play on the ATP/WTA tours? Especially kids under 14, why worry about them, especially in depth? I see people posting things about equipment used by Junior Ore, and I'm thinking of how pathetic it is. I'll be sure to contact his stringer and find out if he strings his rackets at 62.2538538 or 65.23409235

tenniscp

01-29-2009, 07:51 PM

Go on, I have no problem with this discussion. But don't you think you guys are analyzing kids who for the most part will not play on the ATP/WTA tours? Especially kids under 14, why worry about them, especially in depth? I see people posting things about equipment used by Junior Ore, and I'm thinking of how pathetic it is. I'll be sure to contact his stringer and find out if he strings his rackets at 62.2538538 or 65.23409235

Could it be that what really bothers you is the fact that people actually care about what racquet does Junior Ore use, and do not really care what racquet you use.

Same reason why you are bothered that some 13 or 14 year olds are discussed in this thread. Fact is, players like Junior Ore and the others mentioned are at the top of their age groups and maybe, and I repeat maybe, will be amongst the kids that will be the make up of US Tennis in next 3-4 year to come.

I, personally, am happy to see that our youngsters, are doing very well at the international competitions of the highest level.

Sachia Vickery and Vicki Duval were finalists in Teen Tennis, probably will be the finalists in France at Petits, Madison Keys at the tender age of 13 is winning Grade 1 ITF's. The 13 year old boys are showing strong results in the Europe as well. Why is that not worthy of mentioning?

You are correct, they may or may not be successful pros, but they are on the right path, competing hard and learning.

BradBaughman

01-29-2009, 08:06 PM

Ad in, AD out etc = too many errors on the servers part.

Well you are right I think that "rickety Nick" the worlds foremost leader on tennis certainly knows something when he sees it. Look man, I've seen your son hit some nice "live fed balls". He's had some nice wins in 9's (little mos), 10s (sectional) and even 12s. When he's full grown etc we will see then.

i think the best thing you can do is show up and watch him in person to give a fair critique and understand he builds his own game, constructs his own strokes serve, forehand, backhand,ect. studying video and has me make sure there on target to what he's wanting ,then understand this is a 12 yr old doing this and when he does play someone 3-4 yrs. older it usually a battle and he gains there respect win or lose..

BradBaughman

01-29-2009, 08:12 PM

Could it be that what really bothers you is the fact that people actually care about what racquet does Junior Ore use, and do not really care what racquet you use.

Same reason why you are bothered that some 13 or 14 year olds are discussed in this thread. Fact is, players like Junior Ore and the others mentioned are at the top of their age groups and maybe, and I repeat maybe, will be amongst the kids that will be the make up of US Tennis in next 3-4 year to come.

I, personally, am happy to see that our youngsters, are doing very well at the international competitions of the highest level.

Sachia Vickery and Vicki Duval were finalists in Teen Tennis, probably will be the finalists in France at Petits, Madison Keys at the tender age of 13 is winning Grade 1 ITF's. The 13 year old boys are showing strong results in the Europe as well. Why is that not worthy of mentioning?

You are correct, they may or may not be successful pros, but they are on the right path, competing hard and learning.

tenniscp im amazed at the attitudes of Americans there's no belief in are players going pro ,Ive said it before we keep our circle small ,because Deiton believes he's going pro and believes he will do well there but most the people on these threads would have him believing he's not going to graduate high school and will be a drug attic robbing liquor stores for a living lol!!

TennisCoachFLA

01-30-2009, 08:16 AM

Could it be that what really bothers you is the fact that people actually care about what racquet does Junior Ore use, and do not really care what racquet you use.

Same reason why you are bothered that some 13 or 14 year olds are discussed in this thread. Fact is, players like Junior Ore and the others mentioned are at the top of their age groups and maybe, and I repeat maybe, will be amongst the kids that will be the make up of US Tennis in next 3-4 year to come.

I, personally, am happy to see that our youngsters, are doing very well at the international competitions of the highest level.

Sachia Vickery and Vicki Duval were finalists in Teen Tennis, probably will be the finalists in France at Petits, Madison Keys at the tender age of 13 is winning Grade 1 ITF's. The 13 year old boys are showing strong results in the Europe as well. Why is that not worthy of mentioning?

You are correct, they may or may not be successful pros, but they are on the right path, competing hard and learning.

Nice post. I think it is great that people are interested in the teens. Sachia and Vicki are amazing players.

nabucktennis

01-30-2009, 10:12 AM

We have been observing and listening for sometime now. What we beleived happened was that maratsafin5 HIT a live nerve with tenniscp. You see we know who tenniscp really is and for that matter tenniscp could also be FRED and FLORIDAcoach. Maratsafins5 point is well taken and it is logical. Tenniscp and etc., is really not genuine tenniscp has a well calculated and constant agenda to promote one special junior player- but really only one. Want to know where tenniscp is coming from really just follow the threads and events of that one very special junior player.

MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

01-30-2009, 10:15 AM

tenniscp

01-30-2009, 10:20 AM

Nice post. I think it is great that people are interested in the teens. Sachia and Vicki are amazing players.

Unfortunately, both Sachia and Vicki lost today, tough matches. Sachia lost 3 and 5, and Vicki lost 6-4 in the third after winning the first set. They are in the finals of the doubles however.

Di Giulio lost in three sets to Milosevic, after taking the first set in a tiebreak.

Fred

01-30-2009, 12:32 PM

10schick

01-30-2009, 01:42 PM

Oh no, not again... Hasn't someone on this board been told to not bother with it?
And instead has someone type out their last opinion (we can tell by the immediate improvement in grammar and spelling)?

Ooops, "attic" like, live above in an "attic"?
The truth is most posters want the best for your kid, and may even be following his tournament adventures as they come along-

But kids that have my shoe size but legs the size of my wrists still have a long way to go-
Anything could happen chronic wrist,elbow,knees....

Mighty... you keep us in stitches! What is amazing is that the title of this thread is "2009 Teen Tennis and Les Petits As" Dedicated to talented players in these tournaments. Yet, somehow... argument breaks about about a player NOT even at these tournaments...funny, again.

TennisCoachFLA

01-30-2009, 01:53 PM

Unfortunately, both Sachia and Vicki lost today, tough matches. Sachia lost 3 and 5, and Vicki lost 6-4 in the third after winning the first set. They are in the finals of the doubles however.

Di Giulio lost in three sets to Milosevic, after taking the first set in a tiebreak.

Bummer, our Florida girls are out. Lets hope they can take the doubles. Let us know the results when you can.

tenniscp

01-30-2009, 05:54 PM

Bummer, our Florida girls are out. Lets hope they can take the doubles. Let us know the results when you can.

I can let you know the results, but you can also check it out on one of the following sites: juniortennis.com or Le Petits As. com. They actually have live scoring, matches in progress and that sort of thing.

I do think the girls will take the doubles. They both lost to Russian girls in quarters and this is their chance to redeem themselves.

tenniscp

01-30-2009, 06:00 PM

Ha! Paranoid much?

If tenniscp's agenda is to promote one and only one player, he's not doing a good job of it. (I realize that this comment only reinforces your view that I'm tenniscp.)

I just read that post. Fred, we should all gang up, you, TennisCoachFla and myself and promote special junior players. We just have to choose which one:).

I am not much on conspiracy theories, however, since we are at it, I suggest that MaratSafin5 and NabuckTennis are one and the same. Especially if one considers the fact that NabuckTennis' profile states that he/she joined this forum only yesterday. :wink:

BradBaughman

01-30-2009, 11:03 PM

I just read that post. Fred, we should all gang up, you, TennisCoachFla and myself and promote special junior players. We just have to choose which one:).

I am not much on conspiracy theories, however, since we are at it, I suggest that MaratSafin5 and NabuckTennis are one and the same. Especially if one considers the fact that NabuckTennis' profile states that he/she joined this forum only yesterday. :wink:

hey tenniscap which kid are you promoting?

tenniscp

01-31-2009, 11:37 AM

tenniscp

01-31-2009, 11:40 AM

hey tenniscap which kid are you promoting?

I have not chosen yet. I discuss a lot of kids on this forum, and I always say what I think, so you take your pick. For all you know it could be Deighton.:)

BradBaughman

01-31-2009, 07:18 PM

I have not chosen yet. I discuss a lot of kids on this forum, and I always say what I think, so you take your pick. For all you know it could be Deighton.:)

Deiton is Tenniscrazed is pick you cant have him so back off LoL

tenniscp

02-01-2009, 03:13 PM

Sachia and Vicki lost in the finals of the doubles in a third set tiebreak 10-8.

Two Russian girls in the singles finals. What a surprise!

The big Serb Milosevic in the finals against Borna Coric. Milosevis is about to win his second biggest tourney of the year. I saw him at Eddie Herr in December. He was impressive.

The big Serb takes it all against Borna Coric 6-2,6-3. Milosevic with back to back Category 1 titles. Beginning of the domination? He is not even 14 yet.

TennisCoachFLA

02-01-2009, 04:11 PM

The big Serb takes it all against Borna Coric 6-2,6-3. Milosevic with back to back Category 1 titles. Beginning of the domination? He is not even 14 yet.

Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Spain, the Czech Republic.....we are just seeing the beginning of the wave of great players. Their junior ranks are loaded.

tenniscp

02-01-2009, 04:16 PM

Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Spain, the Czech Republic.....we are just seeing the beginning of the wave of great players. Their junior ranks are loaded.

Do not forget Argentina. Lots of talent. I still think US is still one of the tennis powers, and junior tennis in this country, although could be taken to a better and higher level, still is very strong.

TennisCoachFLA

02-01-2009, 08:16 PM

Do not forget Argentina. Lots of talent. I still think US is still one of the tennis powers, and junior tennis in this country, although could be taken to a better and higher level, still is very strong.

Agreed. It is not that we don't have talented US players, the competition is now world wide. Nick B. notes that today the competition is way, way more diverse than 20 years ago.

nabucktennis

02-03-2009, 01:51 PM

nabucktennis

02-03-2009, 02:01 PM

Please see our reply titled "Diminshing Returns"

tenniscp

02-03-2009, 02:34 PM

We are back! Notice everyone how tenniscp commented several times on our promo theory. Interesting tennis cp and Fred and now TenniscoachFLA all had something to say. What was really happening is that the tennis tournaments are over (Europe Petit A) and the junior players were out of the tournament and tenniscp's special junior player was not playing so the comments are less an less interesting to tenniscp.

Obsessive ideas are always enslaving, and I think you, my dear friend, have a very extreme case of it.

Obviously, somewhere in your infantile pursuit of your so passionately proposed grand scheme, you failed to notice the caption for this thread, clearly states "2009 Teen Tennis and Petits As". One would only find it rational that the subjects discussed on this thread would at least remotely have something to do with those tournaments or possibly even it's participants. Naturally, when the tournament is over, so should be the discussions. However, maybe, that is a bit too much for you to process in one seating. So, I suggest, take your time, read it over couple of times and see if you will see simple logic of what is stated above.

Oh, and another thing, since you are naming Fred, TennisFloCoach as partners in crime, you might as well add another name to this list -FloridaKeys, for he is the originator of this thread.:)

flat

02-03-2009, 02:36 PM

i think the best thing you can do is show up and watch him in person to give a fair critique and understand he builds his own game, constructs his own strokes serve, forehand, backhand,ect. studying video and has me make sure there on target to what he's wanting ,then understand this is a 12 yr old doing this and when he does play someone 3-4 yrs. older it usually a battle and he gains there respect win or lose..

Brad,

What you are describing is very impressive...light years ahead of my own kid. Can you share what you think caused Deiton to be so mature early?

BradBaughman

02-03-2009, 07:37 PM

Brad,

What you are describing is very impressive...light years ahead of my own kid. Can you share what you think caused Deiton to be so mature early?

i'll share what we did , when he was much younger we made sure he was hanging out with mom and dad most of the time, also he hung out a lot with my friends i was training with who were athletes who were older it allowed him to mature faster. And we spent a lot of time reading and "explaining" a lot of things in life so he grew in his knowledge and some wisdom ,He already plans on becoming a marine biologist , and is studying for it already , who they hang out with is who they are usually. hope that helps.

SoCalDominates

02-03-2009, 07:39 PM

BradBaughman

02-03-2009, 07:55 PM

brad i just wanted to say i saw deighton this weekend. i was very impressed. he is improving alot. thats a nice win against horea. I know horea was not too happy but thats good for deighton. I haven't been his biggest fan in the past but he is clearly working hard and getting better. Good job

he was demoing a racket during that tourny he only had one so every swing i was wondering if the string were gonna make it . he pulled a muscle early in the second set but got through.The kid named Wagner 4th rnd was a slug fest they were firing missle at each other the score there didn't reflect the match it was tight. anyways Thanx That kid hits huge Wagner have you played him?

SoCalDominates

02-03-2009, 08:16 PM

BradBaughman

02-03-2009, 09:29 PM

ive never played him but i played doubles with him at hardcourts 14s. he rips. i was surprised that deighton handled him that easy. Deighton cruised through. I, on the other hand, did not. lol who does deit have next match? I played horea in doubles on sunday him and erik lim were the 1 seeds. we beat them 2 and 2 and horea was still only talking about how pissed he was that he lost to deighton. ahah Good job. whatever you are doing is working

So Cal ,read what you said to my wife and deit they were rolling, they got a kick out of it , we think hes playing the right age group for the way he trains but over the last few months between growing pains and some bad ingrown toe nails "the doc cut out" its been hard to have a good tourny hopefully his back will be better and he can roll into the finals will see!!

tenniscp

02-04-2009, 04:03 PM

So Cal ,read what you said to my wife and deit they were rolling, they got a kick out of it , we think hes playing the right age group for the way he trains but over the last few months between growing pains and some bad ingrown toe nails "the doc cut out" its been hard to have a good tourny hopefully his back will be better and he can roll into the finals will see!!

Those are pretty good results for your son, beating up on some kids in 16's. Who does he play next? I am assuming he is in the round of 16?

tenniscrazed

02-04-2009, 04:44 PM

Deiton is Tenniscrazed is pick you cant have him so back off LoL

That's right my dollar. Which at the time Deiton goes pro will be worth a one € (that a euro note by the way).

Deiton will go pro barring injuries. He just won't make any money at it. Sad but true reality.

SoCalDominates

02-04-2009, 04:53 PM

So Cal ,read what you said to my wife and deit they were rolling, they got a kick out of it , we think hes playing the right age group for the way he trains but over the last few months between growing pains and some bad ingrown toe nails "the doc cut out" its been hard to have a good tourny hopefully his back will be better and he can roll into the finals will see!!

haha ingrown toe nails are painful. ive had 3 of them. ya i think it is stupid for him to think about playing 14s if hes killing good 16 year olds right now. who does he play this weekend?? ill be down there for doubles. maybe ill come watch him

BradBaughman

02-04-2009, 09:58 PM

haha ingrown toe nails are painful. ive had 3 of them. ya i think it is stupid for him to think about playing 14s if hes killing good 16 year olds right now. who does he play this weekend?? ill be down there for doubles. maybe ill come watch him

hes playing ryan peyton then warren wood if your their come hang out with me we can talk trash to deit while hes playing lol.

BradBaughman

02-04-2009, 10:00 PM

Those are pretty good results for your son, beating up on some kids in 16's. Who does he play next? I am assuming he is in the round of 16?

he wants to play the 18's at woody hunt may give him a shot ,right now im hoping his back muscle has recovered by this saturday no practice till friday

SoCalDominates

02-04-2009, 10:01 PM

honestly he can beat both of them. warren doesnt even like tennis. He plays maybe 1 or 2 times a week and he doesnt try most of the time. so deit can beat him

kctennis1005

02-04-2009, 10:09 PM

honestly he can beat both of them. warren doesnt even like tennis. He plays maybe 1 or 2 times a week and he doesnt try most of the time. so deit can beat him

deitons gotta get past peyton first...peyton has been playing solid the last few months so could be a tough match for deiton

SoCalDominates

02-04-2009, 10:11 PM

deitons gotta get past peyton first...peyton has been playing solid the last few months so could be a tough match for deiton

Ya I agree Brad Sorry to say but I dont think he will beat peyton but he can is all i was sayin if he plays really well

kctennis1005

02-04-2009, 10:12 PM

Ya I agree Brad Sorry to say but I dont think he will beat peyton but he can is all i was sayin if he plays really well

peyton rarely misses so if deiton plays smart he can win....just gotta attack a little more and mix it up high and low

tenniscrazed

02-04-2009, 10:23 PM

deitons gotta get past peyton first...peyton has been playing solid the last few months so could be a tough match for deiton

Have you guys all lost all your marbles. A blue chip over grown 7th grader with any level of consistency is going to beat a 4 star sophomore (doesn't make it a bad win but be serious). Next is Ryan Peyton a 3 star Junior (I'd put the heat pad on), then TJ won't even be a match to last longer than the drive and warm up.

BradBaughman

02-04-2009, 11:16 PM

peyton rarely misses so if deiton plays smart he can win....just gotta attack a little more and mix it up high and low

thanx my thoughts are on deits back he pulled a muscle against horea ,swinging at a forehand his leg didnt swivel on the follow through and pulled it pretty good ,if he's better by then he will take care of business and tenniscrazed will still be trying to figure it out ,BTW kc how have you been?

BradBaughman

02-04-2009, 11:20 PM

Have you guys all lost all your marbles. A blue chip over grown 7th grader with any level of consistency is going to beat a 4 star sophomore (doesn't make it a bad win but be serious). Next is Ryan Peyton a 3 star Junior (I'd put the heat pad on), then TJ won't even be a match to last longer than the drive and warm up.

he beat 2 seeds and did it with some pretty impressive play bageled the other 2 and you think he cant get by the next guy ? these were 16 yr olds hes 12 hello!

tenniscrazed

02-05-2009, 12:11 AM

he beat 2 seeds and did it with some pretty impressive play bageled the other 2 and you think he cant get by the next guy ? these were 16 yr olds hes 12 hello!

Look man, based on the videos and your yapping, he's a decent player. That's it. He could not hold a candle to Celestine. Celestine is younger than the mid level 16 year old "HELLO". And it is clear Deiton has a tough time with his top level peers. HELLO again. He lost to 5th grader in a breastick and a pretzel (1 and 2). Must've been that dang moonball again.

I said he can be come a professional tennis player. He just won't make any money in the process. Good Luck

TennisCoachFLA

02-05-2009, 05:23 AM

Look man, based on the videos and your yapping, he's a decent player. That's it. He could not hold a candle to Celestine. Celestine is younger than the mid level 16 year old "HELLO". And it is clear Deiton has a tough time with his top level peers. HELLO again. He lost to 5th grader in a breastick and a pretzel (1 and 2). Must've been that dang moonball again.

I said he can be come a professional tennis player. He just won't make any money in the process. Good Luck

We have a lot of parents in Florida who do this....'playing up' and playing the 170th or 350th ranked 16 year old. Not sure why.

The age isn't a big deal. In USTA rankings, a 170th ranked 16 year old could very well have barely played much tennis.

I can see having a talented 12 year old play a top 10 14-16 year old to see where they fit. But to play up and play a very low ranked older player seems like a waste of time as you don't learn anything.

SoCalDominates

02-05-2009, 06:13 AM

Look man, based on the videos and your yapping, he's a decent player. That's it. He could not hold a candle to Celestine. Celestine is younger than the mid level 16 year old "HELLO". And it is clear Deiton has a tough time with his top level peers. HELLO again. He lost to 5th grader in a breastick and a pretzel (1 and 2). Must've been that dang moonball again.

I said he can be come a professional tennis player. He just won't make any money in the process. Good Luck

Anyone with half a brain and some talent could "hold their candle to Celestine" Not necesarily beat him. but he has no weapons. hes very very consistent. If your consistent back or are attacking smart you can play with him. and i assume ur talkin bout terrel and not terrence. deighton is not the next sampras but I'd say hes more then a decent player. He's holding his own and beating top 30 16 year olds in the toughest section in the nation at AGE 12

10schick

02-05-2009, 11:09 AM

Anyone with half a brain and some talent could "hold their candle to Celestine" Not necesarily beat him. but he has no weapons. hes very very consistent. If your consistent back or are attacking smart you can play with him. and i assume ur talkin bout terrel and not terrence. deighton is not the next sampras but I'd say hes more then a decent player. He's holding his own and beating top 30 16 year olds in the toughest section in the nation at AGE 12

HELLO.... You're still arguing about a kid (Deiton Baughman, AGE 12)who didn't even play in the tournament that this thread was started for? Who cares? :confused:

TennisTaxi

02-05-2009, 11:43 AM

tenniscp

02-05-2009, 02:50 PM

HELLO.... You're still arguing about a kid (Deiton Baughman, AGE 12)who didn't even play in the tournament that this thread was started for? Who cares? :confused:

I agree. How did we go from Teen Tennis and Petits As, to some people trying to bring down a 12 year old kid and others praising him. I think this thread should be over since the tournaments indicated in the original thread are over. Let's create another thread, you guys, and bash or sind odes to each other.:)

BTW, I have seen Deighton play, and he is definitely talented. His dad said they play tournaments based on where they take place as opposed to what level competition the tourney offers. Thus, he may be playing some lower level 16's, however, that is exactly what his dad wants for his son. So, who are we to judge.

tenniscp

02-05-2009, 02:53 PM

Anyone with half a brain and some talent could "hold their candle to Celestine" Not necesarily beat him. but he has no weapons. hes very very consistent. If your consistent back or are attacking smart you can play with him. and i assume ur talkin bout terrel and not terrence. deighton is not the next sampras but I'd say hes more then a decent player. He's holding his own and beating top 30 16 year olds in the toughest section in the nation at AGE 12

Please, do not tell me that Celestine is not a talent. The kid is one of the better athletes to pick up a tennis racquet in junior US tennis. Saying he has no weapons is an understatement, to say the least. Excellent balance on all the shots, drives through the forehand, backhand is as solid as possible, serve could use a little work. He is a GOOD player.

SoCalDominates

02-05-2009, 03:22 PM

tenniscp

02-05-2009, 03:37 PM

Yes he is a good player. Totally agree that he is the best athlete ive ever seen play tennis. one of the fastest kids ive seen in a while too. but he does not have a put away, blow by you shot just consistency. ive seen him beat unbelievable people and play close with not so good people because to "hold your candle" aginst him you have to be consistent. he wont blow it by you

You make Celestine almost sound like Di Giulio or Asami, with consistency. He does more with a ball, the revolution on his strokes is impressive because of the racquet speed, he hits a heavy ball and hits plenty of winners.

He is an aggressive baseliner, not a glorified pusher and he is still 14.

SoCalDominates

02-05-2009, 03:58 PM

You make Celestine almost sound like Di Giulio or Asami, with consistency. He does more with a ball, the revolution on his strokes is impressive because of the racquet speed, he hits a heavy ball and hits plenty of winners.

He is an aggressive baseliner, not a glorified pusher and he is still 14.

terrel is like a better version of digiulio. faster, hits it harder but like joseph is really consistent. you make consistency sound like a bad thing. im not sayin hes a pusher. pushers dont win in the 16s or the top of the 14s like Terrel has.

BradBaughman

02-05-2009, 05:46 PM

Hey Brad, you don't know me but we received an e-mail from Palisades Tennis Center indicating that your son and Clay train there...is this true? If so, are there any other higher level players there worth hitting with?

they both train there we meet with Clay Thompson every so often so him and Deiton can hit together its has not been on a regular basis but his coach and i have tried to make it happen , we are there on fridays regularly, there are a lot of solid players that frequent the place!

kctennis1005

02-05-2009, 06:07 PM

thanx my thoughts are on deits back he pulled a muscle against horea ,swinging at a forehand his leg didnt swivel on the follow through and pulled it pretty good ,if he's better by then he will take care of business and tenniscrazed will still be trying to figure it out ,BTW kc how have you been?

ive been good...out of town a lot so not playing many tournaments, but training hard....i committed to dartmouth today so im pretty excited

BradBaughman

02-05-2009, 06:15 PM

ive been good...out of town a lot so not playing many tournaments, but training hard....i committed to dartmouth today so im pretty excited

good job Dartmouth don't know much about it but heard of it, they want to put me under the knife again but i said "no" but im doing triggerpoint injects ill film my next series for you lol, as for the kid this last few months have been ok between growing pains and infected in-growns toenails which were pretty bad ,when we got back from florida they cut them out pretty ugly, anyways are you in this tourny ?

kctennis1005

02-05-2009, 09:38 PM

good job Dartmouth don't know much about it but heard of it, they want to put me under the knife again but i said "no" but im doing triggerpoint injects ill film my next series for you lol, as for the kid this last few months have been ok between growing pains and infected in-growns toenails which were pretty bad ,when we got back from florida they cut them out pretty ugly, anyways are you in this tourny ?

no i was in florida last wknd so i couldnt play 1st wknd...i think my next tournament is pacific coast doubles men's open in march...some good college teams there