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Blade0324
01-19-2009, 07:26 AM
So last year the new surface at the AO was discussed at great length. However since the surface is not really new this year (just resurfaced) no one is talking about it. From the matches I've watched and the commentators talking about it, sounds like they slowed them down quite a bit by adding a lot of grit to the surface. This makes for higher bounces and makes slice less effective etc. I personally like the decision to slow them down as it will make things a bit more grueling and make for longer points. Anyone else have thoughts?

veroniquem
01-19-2009, 07:29 AM
So last year the new surface at the AO was discussed at great length. However since the surface is not really new this year (just resurfaced) no one is talking about it. From the matches I've watched and the commentators talking about it, sounds like they slowed them down quite a bit by adding a lot of grit to the surface. This makes for higher bounces and makes slice less effective etc. I personally like the decision to slow them down as it will make things a bit more grueling and make for longer points. Anyone else have thoughts?
The bounces looked high indeed. I was wondering if it was my imagination as they didn't seem to be that high last year.

vmosrafa08
01-19-2009, 07:30 AM
Actually, during a match that I watched, they talked about it a lot. They said that the court is covered in acryllic, and to add a lot of grit, they added sand to the mixture. They said that they wanted to decrease the speed of the court. They also said that the balls fluff up easily because of the texture of the court.

edberg505
01-19-2009, 07:34 AM
So last year the new surface at the AO was discussed at great length. However since the surface is not really new this year (just resurfaced) no one is talking about it. From the matches I've watched and the commentators talking about it, sounds like they slowed them down quite a bit by adding a lot of grit to the surface. This makes for higher bounces and makes slice less effective etc. I personally like the decision to slow them down as it will make things a bit more grueling and make for longer points. Anyone else have thoughts?

The courts were just as slow last year. There's really no difference.

veroniquem
01-19-2009, 07:40 AM
The courts were just as slow last year. There's really no difference.
I disagree, from what I've seen so far they are definitely slower this year.

vmosrafa08
01-19-2009, 07:41 AM
The courts were just as slow last year. There's really no difference.

Not true. They added sand to the paint so that they could slow down the court. Please watch a match, or find out more about this topic before responding.

edberg505
01-19-2009, 07:43 AM
I disagree, from what I've seen so far they are definitely slower this year.

Go back and look at the matches from last year. Actually the players were complaining from the start of the tournament last year about how slow the courts were. Also, listen to the commentators about how the balls would get torn up and how they had to come and sweep the felt off the court left over by the balls because they would become so fluffed up after a few games. The courts at our club here play pretty much the same way. I honestly don't see any difference.

edberg505
01-19-2009, 07:44 AM
Not true. They added sand to the paint so that they could slow down the court. Please watch a match, or find out more about this topic before responding.

Or for FFS, I know all about how they make a court slow. I don't need to hear it from a commentator. I actually play tennis and have played tennis on a wide variety of courts.

crazylevity
01-19-2009, 08:05 AM
I don't know about how it looked like on TV, but I watched the night session live and the slices looked very low, and the pace of the shots was fast. But then, it might just have been because this was the first time watching grand slam tennis live. :p

RF007
01-19-2009, 08:05 AM
So now the Australian Open is played on blue clay?
Kidding!

Anyway, I think it's a good decision to slow it down just so its court speed would be more different compared to that at the US Open.

tacou
01-19-2009, 08:31 AM
I guess if Rafa wins we will know they are slow, but if anyone else wins they must be fast. riiight?

veroniquem
01-19-2009, 08:35 AM
I guess if Rafa wins we will know they are slow, but if anyone else wins they must be fast. riiight?
Not necessarily, Rafa likes fast too as long as it takes the spin well.

drakulie
01-19-2009, 09:49 AM
Not necessarily, Rafa likes fast too as long as it takes the spin well.

He doesn't like fast courts, which is why he sucks on hard courts.

tacou
01-19-2009, 10:08 AM
I was jjust kidding... hmm if Rafa sucks on hard courts I'd sure like to suck as well ! 2 GS semis, Olmypic gold, 2 MS shields plus another final. pretty good HC career.

oh wait. that's just 08.

bolo
01-19-2009, 10:08 AM
It's a slow court. Relatively low bounce and I agree slices stay low.

Mansewerz
01-19-2009, 10:12 AM
I was jjust kidding... hmm if Rafa sucks on hard courts I'd sure like to suck as well ! 2 GS semis, Olmypic gold, 2 MS shields plus another final. pretty good HC career.

oh wait. that's just 08.

He won one HC MS shield, no?

bluetrain4
01-19-2009, 10:12 AM
The courts were just as slow last year. There's really no difference.

I can't really tell about the speed difference. But, last year the courts were an interesting combination of fairly slow (medium-slow?) AND low bouncing on flat and slice shots, yet balls hit with massive topspin were able to kick up. So players trying to hit through the court with flat shots could do it, and coming in off low slices was an option since the ball stayed really low. Yet, the court would take heavy topspin and kick it up. These properties TOGETHER, we don't see that often.

Court speed is obviously a huge factor, but I think the height of the bounce is also incredibly important.

tacou
01-19-2009, 10:29 AM
He won one HC MS shield, no?

woops I thought he defended Indian Wells for some reason

seffina
01-19-2009, 10:32 AM
I don't think they're much slower than last year. Maybe it's the ESPN angle which is making it look different? Although, it should make them look faster because of the angle.. hmm. I've confused myself, but I watched the Tsonga/Nadal, Fed/Djokovic, and Djokovic/Tsonga matches just last week and the courts don't look any slower. The quality of tennis definitely is... :)

JankovicFan
01-19-2009, 11:30 AM
This is hopeless. People don't even agree on what "slow" means. Are we talking low bounce or high bounce? That is less confusing. Then discuss why it bounces and how much. If someone says the ball skids, isn't that a low bounce? That's what I was seeing, because Federer repeatedly golfed shots a fraction of a second after the ball had bounced. There was none of this forehand from shoulder height business...not that I noticed anyway. ICBW.

fastdunn
01-19-2009, 11:41 AM
All courts are slow since 2003. US Open, Wimbledon, Australian Open. And Roland Garros, despite getting quicker, the slowest.

Federer and Nadal are two rulers on this slowed world. Expect Nadal also win on these slow sandy hard courts sooner or later.

abmk
01-19-2009, 12:00 PM
All courts are slow since 2003. US Open, Wimbledon, Australian Open. And Roland Garros, despite getting quicker, the slowest.

Federer and Nadal are two rulers on this slowed world. Expect Nadal also win on these slow sandy hard courts sooner or later.

U.S.O is a slow court , LOL ! :)

Wimbledon isn't slow , its medium-fast, though much slower than what it used to be earlier.

abmk
01-19-2009, 12:07 PM
Haven't noticed too much of a difference from last year. Slightly slower I think.

Blade0324
01-19-2009, 01:48 PM
I like the post that talked about the bounces. I agree that topspin shot really kick up on these courts almost to the end of sitting up. That does not work well for Nadal as he can already get the ball to kick up high with his spin. A faster surface allows his shots to kick up high and still penetrate the courts well. From what I could tell watching players will need to really hit flatter balls in order to hit good winners as then the ball seems to move through the court pretty quick. This to me works well for the likes of Blake, Nalbandian, Murray, and possibly even Roddick as they tend to hit with less spin. I do think that the fact that the ball sits up a little bit on heavy spin shots will aid players that are defensive and able to run more balls down. I like the somewhat blended surface that the AO organizers have put together. Should make for an interesting tourney.

seffina
01-19-2009, 01:59 PM
Guess I'll have to go out and buy a gear stick. Are they expensive? How do you tell a slow one from a fast one?

Blade0324
01-19-2009, 03:42 PM
Guess I'll have to go out and buy a gear stick. Are they expensive? How do you tell a slow one from a fast one?
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