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quest01
01-19-2009, 11:42 AM
Would anyone like to be a member of The Great American Club?

To be a member you must support and uphold conservative principles and values.

Conservatives tend to adhere to certain fundamental principles such as:

-Return of prayer in school
-Prohibition of abortion
-Opposition to same-sex marriage licenses and homosexuals
-Support of laws against pornography
-Support of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms
-Economic allocative efficiency (as opposed to popular equity)
-Stronger law enforcement and anti-crime laws, including the death penalty
-Parental control of education
-Private medical care and retirement plans
-Weakening or canceling failed social support programs
-Generally opposed to the United Nations
-Support enforcement of current laws regarding immigration
-Support tightening of border security
-Respect for our military... past and present
-Literal interpretation of the Bible and rejection of evolutionism
-Low taxes, especially for families
-Opening foreign markets to U.S. products
-Less power for the federal government and more for local and state governments
-A strong national defense

Here are more conservatives values and principles:

-placing ideas and principles above personal desire, weaknesses, fears and regrets

-a never-ending quest for the truth, despite obstacles based on emotion and personal experience, and spreading such truths for the benefit of all

-recognizing and utilizing the benefits of competition and hard work

-emphasizing charity, with its unexpected benefits, rather than compulsory tax-and-spend programs

-teaching self-help rather than dependence on government and others

-supporting self-defense

-recognizing the media for its bias, bullying, deception.
frugality and efficiency

-rejecting the deification of government officials

-downplaying significance of wealth, disparities in wealth, and materialism in general

-emphasizing self-reliance and being able to keep the fruits of one's labor

-emphasizing self-restraint against hurtful activities

-recognizing the power of the free market

-understanding that a rising tide lifts all boats, e.g. tax cuts benefit all.

-self-control as opposed to a self-indulgent search for instant gratification of desires.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_values

If anyone would like to be a prestigious member of The Great American Club, just let me know.

Thank You

NickC
01-19-2009, 11:49 AM
Allowing a third party (the church) influence political policy isn't conservative.

ThA_Azn_DeViL
01-19-2009, 11:58 AM
This is a tennis forum, not a democracy...

dennis10is
01-19-2009, 02:00 PM
I feel for you and can relate. So many people are inferior to us. We are so patriotic, so moral, so discipline, yet so loving. BTW, do you fantasize about possessing carnal knowledge of soft, fresh smelling 18 year old females?

I must admit, in all honesty that I'm a Greater American than you are. I already belong to the "Greatest of all American club".

adams_1
01-19-2009, 02:08 PM
-Support of laws against pornography

I was with you until this one.

Nickk
01-19-2009, 02:17 PM
hmm a Theocrasy? because it's working so well in other parts of the world?

Sounds like you should start your own Christian based country rather than one that is based on freedom of religion.

quest01
01-19-2009, 02:32 PM
I was with you until this one.

Hahaha, A lot of these conservative principles and values were taken off the link I posted.

In regards to Nickk's post, we are a Christian dominated country, nearly 80% of American citizens such as myself identify themselves as Christians.

jrod
01-19-2009, 02:34 PM
where exactly are you going with this?

SempreSami
01-19-2009, 02:38 PM
This thread sucks and is now about trains.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Taiwan-HighSpeedRail-700T-testrun-2006-0624.jpg/800px-Taiwan-HighSpeedRail-700T-testrun-2006-0624.jpg

quest01
01-19-2009, 02:44 PM
where exactly are you going with this?

Look I realize there are several members on these boards who are conservative minded people from what I have read on here, particularly in the Rants and Raves section. I think this club would unite conservatives such as myself who adhere to the principles and values of conservatism. I also think this club would be essential seeing that many of the threads in the Rants and Raves section are politically charged.

The Pledge of Allegiance:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all.

soyizgood
01-19-2009, 03:18 PM
Lots of love from us non-neoCON$ (you know, the folks that don't privatize wars, rack up trillions in debt, export our jobs to regimes like China, polarize the nation's have and have-nots, issue golden parachutes to execs for bad decisions while laying off REAL Americans, etc.):
http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/6134/0/Epic_Fail.ashx

NickC
01-19-2009, 04:20 PM
Look I realize there are several members on these boards who are conservative minded people from what I have read on here, particularly in the Rants and Raves section. I think this club would unite conservatives such as myself who adhere to the principles and values of conservatism. I also think this club would be essential seeing that many of the threads in the Rants and Raves section are politically charged.


Political science major here. The principals that you list in your first post can be easily equated with fascism. If you had any idea what real conservatism was, you wouldn't have shown us that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You equate Bush's policies, actions and views of his supporters to conservatism, which simply isn't the case.

quest01
01-19-2009, 05:13 PM
^^^

Look it's obvious you don't listen very well, if you actually read one my previous posts, I mentioned that these principles and values came straight from a website. I even posted the link in my original post. Maybe you should change your major to basket weaving, that may suite you better.

FedererForehand
01-19-2009, 05:30 PM
Wow... I consider myself to be a proud conservative but even I am taken back by the sheer arrogance this thread suggests. I know many proud conservatives who I would consider 'Great Americans'. All your are doing by creating this thread is asking to get bashed and give less conservative people chance to rip into us... so I will not be joing this 'club'.

And in case your interested I know some skin heads who are also proud Americans and would more than happy to join your club.

S H O W S T O P P E R !
01-19-2009, 05:49 PM
This thread sucks and is now about trains.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Taiwan-HighSpeedRail-700T-testrun-2006-0624.jpg/800px-Taiwan-HighSpeedRail-700T-testrun-2006-0624.jpg

Holy crap, I forgot that still even existed! I loved doing that in my other forums :)

btw quest, this club is basically a trap. Now it's gonna be overrun with less conservative people bashing you guys.

jmverdugo
01-19-2009, 05:50 PM
So basically you are not allow to think for yourself? IMO political parties "suggest" ideologies, not "dictate" rules, that wouldnt let them evolve and they may perish. Also, you make this thread, do you back up what you wrote? regardless where you took it?

NickC
01-19-2009, 05:58 PM
^^^

Look it's obvious you don't listen very well, if you actually read one my previous posts, I mentioned that these principles and values came straight from a website. I even posted the link in my original post. Maybe you should change your major to basket weaving, that may suite you better.

Look, it's obvious that you don't read very well (or at all, which is expected of you). I know full well that you merely copied and pasted it from a website. However, because it's a plain sight to see that you don't think for yourself (typical Bushie!), and just simply restate what you saw, I'm going to just tell you flat out that Bush conservatism, which you talk about in such great detail in your original post, isn't conservatism. Bush conservatism is in practice a fiscally liberal, bible-thumping, fascist power trip that's only employed as a tactic to scare the "common folk" who, in your opinion, aren't good enough. If you were a real conservative, you'd have switched to the libertarian party of a similar party long ago.


And for the record, I already switched my major from a double major in Journalism and Spanish to a double major in Political Science and Spanish literature. You don't have to blame me because I'm flat out smarter than you (and think for myself!).


Then you go and post something that says that great Americans ONLY follow those principals. Sounds like fear-mongering to me.

10sfreak
01-19-2009, 06:13 PM
Wow quest01, you should have seen these attacks coming...Even if you hadn't titled it, "The Great American Club", you were going to get bashed by the lefties on this board, merely for being conservative. This thread is going nowhere...if it were to survive for long, it would eventually have to get deleted due to the heated arguments that will inevitably ensue. In any case, good luck!
P.S. As for nickk's comment about a "theocracy", I'm not sure where he's getting that from - I didn't read that in your original post.

dennis10is
01-19-2009, 06:14 PM
Hahaha, A lot of these conservative principles and values were taken off the link I posted.

In regards to Nickk's post, we are a Christian dominated country, nearly 80% of American citizens such as myself identify themselves as Christians.

And how many actually behave like Christians?

2 percent?

quest01
01-19-2009, 06:18 PM
^^^

Look once again you don't know what your talking about. For starters you are comparing conservatism with Bush conservatism (as you put it) while I am strictly discussing conservatism in general. Look you are assuming I whole heartedly agree with the Bush administration on each and every issue but you are flat out wrong.

For instance one of the policies I completely disagree on with Bush is immigration reform. I believe in protecting our borders by placing tanks, mine fields, and machine gun posts on the border to reduce the amount of illegal immigrants from entering the United States. I don't know what kind of education they have down in Mexico, but you should strongly consider switching majors to basket weaving, that would suit you perfectly.

10sfreak- I have just read your post, I may ask one of the MOD's if they can delete this thread if these rants continue and by the way YOU ARE A GREAT AMERICAN.

10sfreak
01-19-2009, 06:33 PM
^^^Thanks quest01, and for the record, I completely agree with you re immigration reform! That, and the uncontrolled spending, are basically the two main things about which I disagree with GWB.

NickC
01-19-2009, 06:40 PM
^^^

Look once again you don't know what your talking about. For starters you are comparing conservatism with Bush conservatism (as you put it) while I am strictly discussing conservatism in general. Look you are assuming I whole heartedly agree with the Bush administration on each and every issue but you are flat out wrong.

Ad hominem. You're not discussing conservatism, you're discussing Bush conservatism. The bullet points you list in the first post are almost all reminiscent of Hitler's N.A.Z.I Germany and aren't considered modern conservatism. And if you don't agree with something, why post it? You can copy and past all you want, but why not just delete a few things along the way that you don't agree with, and could potentially get you into trouble?

For instance one of the policies I completely disagree on with Bush is immigration reform. I believe in protecting our borders by placing tanks, mine fields, and machine gun posts on the border to reduce the amount of illegal immigrants from entering the United States. I don't know what kind of education they have down in Mexico, but you should strongly consider switching majors to basket weaving, that would suit you perfectly.


I'm not a Mexican. I'm as American as they come; my mother's side of the family are descendants of the original Mayflower colonists. I'm here because I want to learn another language, as I come from a family of bi-lingual people (and tri-lingual)*. I'm required by my parents to become fluent in a second language before I'm allowed to attend an American university. I'm at a American University. My main professor for my Political Science major holds a Phd in Political Theory from Oxford, and another Phd in Political Science from another prestigious university in England (forget which one, pretty sure it's Cambridge) and she's not Mexican either. And why should I switch my major to basket weaving? They don't even offer it, and why would it suit me perfectly? You're the mindless drone here, wouldn't something like that suit you much more than me?


*Yes, this is true. Both my parents are fluent in Mandarin Chinese, my older sister is fluent in French, and is currently in Brazil learning Portuguese. I myself speak some Mandarin, but my Spanish is much better. It's called being progressive and being a citizen of not only America, but of the world. There are other countries out there, believe it or not.

10sfreak- I have just read your post, I may ask one of the MOD's if they can delete this thread if these rants continue and by the way YOU ARE A GREAT AMERICAN.

How is he a great American, and I'm not?

NickC
01-19-2009, 06:41 PM
^^^Thanks quest01, and for the record, I completely agree with you re immigration reform! That, and the uncontrolled spending, are basically the two main things about which I disagree with GWB.

Totally agree. Although living in Mexico has given me a different look at the US's immigration problem, it has reinforced my desire to see a much stronger border protection plan put into use.

dennis10is
01-19-2009, 08:53 PM
^^^

Look once again you don't know what your talking about. For starters you are comparing conservatism with Bush conservatism (as you put it) while I am strictly discussing conservatism in general. Look you are assuming I whole heartedly agree with the Bush administration on each and every issue but you are flat out wrong.

For instance one of the policies I completely disagree on with Bush is immigration reform. I believe in protecting our borders by placing tanks, mine fields, and machine gun posts on the border to reduce the amount of illegal immigrants from entering the United States. I don't know what kind of education they have down in Mexico, but you should strongly consider switching majors to basket weaving, that would suit you perfectly.

10sfreak- I have just read your post, I may ask one of the MOD's if they can delete this thread if these rants continue and by the way YOU ARE A GREAT AMERICAN.

You should also consider doing the same to the Canadian borders. Then we need to protect our coastlines.

Next, we have to secure our Alaskan borders against incursion from Canada, Russia, Nort Pole.

Then we have to defend Hawaii, but the Pacific Fleet is already doing that.

We also have to do a much better job to checking each and every container the comes into our country. Those Chinese agents are slipping thru via shipping containers from China. We can't let them infect their cultures on us. Bad enough that some of us knows how to us chop sticks. What's next, Jasmine rice instead of Texas Long grain?

CanadianChic
01-19-2009, 09:59 PM
Would anyone like to be a member of The Great American Club?

To be a member you must support and uphold conservative principles and values.

Conservatives tend to adhere to certain fundamental principles such as:

-Return of prayer in school Disagree
-Prohibition of abortion Disagree
-Opposition to same-sex marriage licenses and homosexuals Disagree
-Support of laws against pornography Agree
-Support of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms Agree
-Economic allocative efficiency (as opposed to popular equity) Undecided
-Stronger law enforcement and anti-crime laws, including the death penalty Agree
-Parental control of education Disagree
-Private medical care and retirement plans Disagree
-Weakening or canceling failed social support programs Disagree
-Generally opposed to the United Nations In it's present form - Agree
-Support enforcement of current laws regarding immigration Disagree - The entire system needs an overhaul
-Support tightening of border security Agree
-Respect for our military... past and present Agree
-Literal interpretation of the Bible and rejection of evolutionism Disagree
-Low taxes, especially for families Agree
-Opening foreign markets to U.S. products Agree
-Less power for the federal government and more for local and state governments Agree
-A strong national defense Agree

Here are more conservatives values and principles:

-placing ideas and principles above personal desire, weaknesses, fears and regrets

-a never-ending quest for the truth, despite obstacles based on emotion and personal experience, and spreading such truths for the benefit of all

-recognizing and utilizing the benefits of competition and hard work

-emphasizing charity, with its unexpected benefits, rather than compulsory tax-and-spend programs

-teaching self-help rather than dependence on government and others

-supporting self-defense

-recognizing the media for its bias, bullying, deception.
frugality and efficiency

-rejecting the deification of government officials

-downplaying significance of wealth, disparities in wealth, and materialism in general

-emphasizing self-reliance and being able to keep the fruits of one's labor

-emphasizing self-restraint against hurtful activities

-recognizing the power of the free market

-understanding that a rising tide lifts all boats, e.g. tax cuts benefit all.

-self-control as opposed to a self-indulgent search for instant gratification of desires.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_values

If anyone would like to be a prestigious member of The Great American Club, just let me know.

Thank You

You must be a blast at parties. :roll:

dennis10is
01-20-2009, 05:57 AM
You must be a blast at parties. :roll:

You think he gets invited to parties? Hey, come over to my bunker, becareful of the satellites.

pepe01
01-20-2009, 06:34 AM
Totally agree. Although living in Mexico has given me a different look at the US's immigration problem, it has reinforced my desire to see a much stronger border protection plan put into use.

Why?, let me know your comments, i mean, what did you see at mexico?

spaceman_spiff
01-23-2009, 01:38 AM
This club's greatness is surpassed only by its humility.


Something was bothering me about the list above that I couldn't quite put my finger on, something beyond the self-contradiction within the list or the personal disagreements I knew others would have. Then, last night it hit me: this list conflicts with the widely held opinion of the founding fathers, who most Americans believe were great men.

You see, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and others disagreed with some of the points on the list, most notably on the inclusion of religion in schools/government. Therein lies the conflict.

If you believe this list is the authoritative measure of the greatness of an American, then it stands to reason that you believe that the founding fathers were not great men and/or you are better than them. On the other hand, if you believe they were indeed great men, then that would mean you don't believe in the validity of your own list.

So, the question I have is, do you think you are better than the founding fathers, or do you think your list is at least partially incorrect? I'm just curious.

dennis10is
01-24-2009, 09:08 AM
This club's greatness is surpassed only by its humility.


Something was bothering me about the list above that I couldn't quite put my finger on, something beyond the self-contradiction within the list or the personal disagreements I knew others would have. Then, last night it hit me: this list conflicts with the widely held opinion of the founding fathers, who most Americans believe were great men.

You see, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and others disagreed with some of the points on the list, most notably on the inclusion of religion in schools/government. Therein lies the conflict.

If you believe this list is the authoritative measure of the greatness of an American, then it stands to reason that you believe that the founding fathers were not great men and/or you are better than them. On the other hand, if you believe they were indeed great men, then that would mean you don't believe in the validity of your own list.

So, the question I have is, do you think you are better than the founding fathers, or do you think your list is at least partially incorrect? I'm just curious.

All I know is that I'm the greatest Americans. The rest are less great than me. The OP is only a great American but there are greater Americans such as myself. Now, I wasn't born when the War of Independence was happening but if I was there, then of course the Constitution would have been better and America would be even greater than it is now. All I can do, is to be the greatest American in my lifetime.

As the Greatest American, I show tolerance towards the OP, he proclaimed himself to be a great American and takes pride in that, so much so that he wants to establish a club, a club in a tennis forum. These are trivial concerns and are beneath Greatest Americans such as myself.

What I'm concerned about as one of the Greatest Americans is when I go to Starbucks, the half and half carafe is filled and cold. This is a greater/est concern. Let that Obama, the pretender, worry about the economy. The greater threat to US interest and future is the state of the half-and-half at Starbucks.

spaceman_spiff
01-26-2009, 01:43 AM
All I know is that I'm the greatest Americans. The rest are less great than me. The OP is only a great American but there are greater Americans such as myself. Now, I wasn't born when the War of Independence was happening but if I was there, then of course the Constitution would have been better and America would be even greater than it is now. All I can do, is to be the greatest American in my lifetime.

As the Greatest American, I show tolerance towards the OP, he proclaimed himself to be a great American and takes pride in that, so much so that he wants to establish a club, a club in a tennis forum. These are trivial concerns and are beneath Greatest Americans such as myself.

What I'm concerned about as one of the Greatest Americans is when I go to Starbucks, the half and half carafe is filled and cold. This is a greater/est concern. Let that Obama, the pretender, worry about the economy. The greater threat to US interest and future is the state of the half-and-half at Starbucks.

You, sir, are a hero to all. :) The fate of the world is in the hands of those like you. Keep up the good work. (It's nice to see someone with a sense of humor here.)


On a side note: I never said the OP was wrong or that the founding fathers were right; I'm not arguing about the validity of the list. I'm just saying they wouldn't live up to the OP's standards and wondered what he thought about that. I'm still curious about it.

spaceman_spiff
01-26-2009, 05:24 AM
Ok, I just can't get over the redundancies and contradictions in the list.

My favorite phrase is "anti-crime laws." Now, if a crime is a violation of the law, then what is an "anit-crime" law? It's unnecessary redundancy ;)


On a serious note, I must point out the huge contradiction. Point 2 in the second list is a contradiction of Point 15 on the first one.

A stoic pursuit of the truth (an act of the mind) will eventually lead you to evidence that disproves a literal interpretation of the bible (an act of faith, i.e., an act of the heart). When you reach that crossroads, you would be forced to choose one or the other.

I'm not saying either one is right or wrong. I'm just saying you can't do both at the same time, as is implied by the lists.

scraps234
01-26-2009, 06:45 AM
Lots of love from us non-neoCON$ (you know, the folks that don't privatize wars, rack up trillions in debt, export our jobs to regimes like China, polarize the nation's have and have-nots, issue golden parachutes to execs for bad decisions while laying off REAL Americans, etc.):
http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/6134/0/Epic_Fail.ashx

lol nice pic