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user92626
01-21-2009, 02:36 PM
Can someone please provide such checklist?

I thought I had my fh down, but then after the last few sessions horsing around I cannot produce a decent fh anymore! :( Now I don't even know my way back!!!!

LeeD
01-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Most would know better....
As soon as you recognise the ball is going to FH side....
Turn shoulders so side is facing opponent.
If you have time, turn your feet also.
Racket should be somewhere sideways or behind you.
Watch ball, watch ball.
Transfer weight towards front foot, or forwards if you don't have time as you swing.
Follow thru fully to other side, but watch the ball on impact.
I have the worse forehand, but maybe it's not mechanics, it's just that I suck.

Alexio92
01-21-2009, 02:53 PM
Racket head speed

user92626
01-21-2009, 03:45 PM
Do you guys tilt the racket face down a tiny bit or completely square on ball contact?

i find the whole notion of dropping the racket low and then swinging up, contacting the ball with the racket square very challening. The ball always goes like a lob. If I tilt / close the face, there's no telling if the ball will make over the net :(

I have semi-western grip. Where's the ideal strike zone in relation to the body?

LeeD
01-21-2009, 03:48 PM
I also use SW grip.
I guess I tilt up for slice shots. Tilt vertical for flat shots, and tilt downwards for topspin shots. Each also has a different follow thru.

user92626
01-21-2009, 03:51 PM
I have only one follow-thru -- over the shoulder.

More question: how do you tell if your takeback is short, ok, too long?

LeeD
01-21-2009, 03:54 PM
For topspin, some amount of closing the face of the racket on contact.
For takeback, if you're usually late, you should shorten it.
If you're always too early and waiting for the ball, you can lengthen it to get more power.
Kinda like the diff in takeback between a return of serve and regular groundie forehand.

WildVolley
01-21-2009, 08:50 PM
Early unit turn.

Point the offhand across the body and toward the side fence.

Close the racquet face in the backswing.

Pat the dog at the start of the forward swing and try to keep the racquet on the hitting side of the body.

Lead the racquet butt into the ball.

Hit in front with a relaxed grip.

ogruskie
01-21-2009, 11:29 PM
In my opinion, the two most important elements:

1. Hit out in front of you
2. BEND YOUR ELBOW

Nearly all the unforced errors I create are because of no elbow bend.

Also, once you start the forehand motion, you never stop. Most people get the racquet behind then, stop, and wait to hit the ball. They're losing power and energy throw doing this. So slowly start the forehand motion, and once the ball is in front of you, "accelerate" your arm below and over the ball while bending your elbow.

sukivan
01-21-2009, 11:31 PM
In my opinion, the two most important elements:

1. Hit out in front of you
2. BEND YOUR ELBOW

Nearly all the unforced errors I create are because of no elbow bend.

Also, once you start the forehand motion, you never stop. Most people get the racquet behind then, stop, and wait to hit the ball. They're losing power and energy throw doing this. So slowly start the forehand motion, and once the ball is in front of you, "accelerate" your arm below and over the ball while bending your elbow.

I hit with a straight arm unless I'm scrambling to hit a passing shot. Elbow bend is a matter of preference, not right/wrong technique. Of course, if you're used to hitting a double bend forehand then a straight arm is going to screw you up.

ericwong
01-22-2009, 12:29 AM
Can someone please provide such checklist?

I thought I had my fh down, but then after the last few sessions horsing around I cannot produce a decent fh anymore! :( Now I don't even know my way back!!!!


Probably, the first thing you need to take heed would be footwork. Judge the ball quick and move to the ball fast and setup for the FH shot.

GeorgeLucas
01-22-2009, 07:28 AM
1. Grip
2. Rip!!!

Bungalo Bill
01-22-2009, 07:36 AM
Can someone please provide such checklist?

I thought I had my fh down, but then after the last few sessions horsing around I cannot produce a decent fh anymore! :( Now I don't even know my way back!!!!

User92626,

I have provided many lists on the forehand from different angles. I even provided a four step process that is simple and effective for hitting forehands. Learning the four step process is not hard at all, however, it does need to be engrained so it can be repeatable.

Even if you have the right swing down, issues like pulling away from the ball, improper use of the non-dominant arm, trying to swing faster and faster throwing off your balance because you think "you got it", can play havoc on the forehand.

So, getting your stroke back is not as simple as just following a checklist. Within that checklist you may be unaware that you are doing something incorrectly.

I dont know what happened with the "I thought I had my forehand down and now you dont." Maybe you can help explain what happened and why you cant go back to the basics again.

jb193
01-22-2009, 08:04 AM
Here is my list.. This is not comprehensive by any means nor am I claiming it is "the right way", but maybe will give you some insight into your own stroke.....


relax
bend my knees
Gradually work myself into a somewhat semi-open stance (neutral stance)
relax
extend and span my non hitting arm across my body and towards the incoming ball to allow my shoulders to close somewhat then open when hitting
Bring my racquet back somewhat high then let it drop with my forearm slightly turning clockwise (where the bottom of your forearm faces slightly upward)
Forearm, shoulders, and wrist remaining very fluid & relaxed
Explode through the ball using your legs, hips, abdomen contracting, shoulders opening, and executing natural fluid swing (due to natural wrist and forearm rotation) where the racquet face hits the ball squarely and finish your stroke around the shoulder area


Good luck...

user92626
01-22-2009, 02:48 PM
Hi Bill and All,
Thanks for the tips. Bill, can you point me to the four steps that you said?

I'm forever on the trail to discover great FH and BH. I just love powerful fh/bh like others love keeping the ball in and winning which I don't much care for. :)

With that said, I think lately that I discovered and over-did weight transfering weight between the feet as you take-back and swing-forward, and as a result screwed up the timing. And then I'm kinda lost on whether to keep the hitting arm straight/extent or bent at elbow as you swing forward. What's the right way?

pushing_wins
01-22-2009, 02:58 PM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2leQK1VZSK8&feature=channel_page

Bungalo Bill
01-22-2009, 03:05 PM
Hi Bill and All,
Thanks for the tips. Bill, can you point me to the four steps that you said?

I'm forever on the trail to discover great FH and BH. I just love powerful fh/bh like others love keeping the ball in and winning which I don't much care for. :)

With that said, I think lately that I discovered and over-did weight transfering weight between the feet as you take-back and swing-forward, and as a result screwed up the timing. And then I'm kinda lost on whether to keep the hitting arm straight/extent or bent at elbow as you swing forward. What's the right way?

user92626,

I will but first I want to read PushingWins explanation. ;) Of course, he will copy and paste most of it, however, lets give him a try. I gonna love this.

lovethetriangle
01-22-2009, 10:16 PM
User92626,

I have provided many lists on the forehand from different angles. I even provided a four step process that is simple and effective for hitting forehands. Learning the four step process is not hard at all, however, it does need to be engrained so it can be repeatable.

Even if you have the right swing down, issues like pulling away from the ball, improper use of the non-dominant arm, trying to swing faster and faster throwing off your balance because you think "you got it", can play havoc on the forehand.

So, getting your stroke back is not as simple as just following a checklist. Within that checklist you may be unaware that you are doing something incorrectly.

I dont know what happened with the "I thought I had my forehand down and now you dont." Maybe you can help explain what happened and why you cant go back to the basics again.

Bill, where's this article?

Reply my email pls!!! cheers

Bungalo Bill
01-23-2009, 02:28 PM
Bill, where's this article?

Reply my email pls!!! cheers

Here is a start. The key words are "pat the dog on the head". If you type this into the search area, you should be able to read though a lot. Here is a start...

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2725728&postcount=8 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2725728&postcount=8)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2632917&postcount=2 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2632917&postcount=2)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2225740&postcount=3 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2225740&postcount=3)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2468999&postcount=3 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2468999&postcount=3)

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http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2561687&postcount=41 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2561687&postcount=41)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2413532&postcount=56 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2413532&postcount=56)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2613112&postcount=3

user92626
01-23-2009, 02:56 PM
1. The first is after the unit turn. The racquet goes up and is held by both the non-dominant arm and the hitting arm. The string bed is facing the right ear.

2. The second position is the "pat the dog on the head position".

3. The third position is a perpendicular racquet or sqaure racquet at the contact.

4. The fourth is extension towards the target.
----
Thanks, Bill

So, when you want POWER (topspin and pace) in the shot, which part do you exert strength in -- (and is "strength" simply racket head's speed)?

Bungalo Bill
01-23-2009, 03:00 PM
1. The first is after the unit turn. The racquet goes up and is held by both the non-dominant arm and the hitting arm. The string bed is facing the right ear.

2. The second position is the "pat the dog on the head position".

3. The third position is a perpendicular racquet or sqaure racquet at the contact.

4. The fourth is extension towards the target.
----
Thanks, Bill

So, when you want POWER (topspin and pace) in the shot, which part do you exert strength in -- (and is "strength" simply racket head's speed)?

Yes, those are static positions. Fluidity in your motion will make it look smooth and like a professional forehand.

Your eyes, movement, ball judgement, etc...will support the stroke. If you are weak in these areas, your stroke will suffer.

lovethetriangle
01-24-2009, 06:50 PM
Here is a start. The key words are "pat the dog on the head". If you type this into the search area, you should be able to read though a lot. Here is a start...

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2725728&postcount=8 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2725728&postcount=8)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2632917&postcount=2 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2632917&postcount=2)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2225740&postcount=3 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2225740&postcount=3)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2468999&postcount=3 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2468999&postcount=3)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2549203&postcount=21 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2549203&postcount=21)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2561687&postcount=41 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2561687&postcount=41)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2413532&postcount=56 (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2413532&postcount=56)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=2613112&postcount=3

this is gold.

snoopy
01-24-2009, 11:22 PM
This is always a great vid for figuring out how to rip one.

The slow motion side view is the most helpful part.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kluhYnSlGZU

VaBeachTennis
01-25-2009, 02:44 PM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2leQK1VZSK8&feature=channel_page

Nice video, that's a good way to do a wall workout......

user92626
01-26-2009, 01:48 PM
I have another question:

Is it a good idea to make a point of intentionally dropping the racket head low at least 1 foot below the ball before the forward motion? I find that doing that is a big distraction and it always causes me a tendency to brush up, thus, creating moon ball.

At the end of the day I got frustrated and fed up that I just focused on hitting thru the ball, which felt like I was swinging horizontally, and having a follow-thru below shoulder and that gave me back a workable FH though nothing to write home about!

Please give input. Thanks

Bungalo Bill
01-26-2009, 01:59 PM
I have another question:

Is it a good idea to make a point of intentionally dropping the racket head low at least 1 foot below the ball before the forward motion? I find that doing that is a big distraction and it always causes me a tendency to brush up, thus, creating moon ball.

At the end of the day I got frustrated and fed up that I just focused on hitting thru the ball, which felt like I was swinging horizontally, and having a follow-thru below shoulder and that gave me back a workable FH though nothing to write home about!

Please give input. Thanks

No it is not written in stone. This is a guide or reference. If you would rather use something else, go ahead. The point is to go through the ball low to high to impart topspin. If you hit on top of the ball and it heads into the net, you will know why.