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plasma
02-08-2009, 01:29 PM
Pls post pics of racquets that give that sweet plough thru and dwell time: 200g, F200, PS 85, Prestige Pro, U2, anything which came from the days when graphite looked like long soft thin strands of coarse horse tail hair...and produced masterpieces of touch, control, power and feel...
http://i44.tinypic.com/2qjdnj4.jpg
chicago ultra 2
http://i41.tinypic.com/708eag.jpg
ps85 St. Vincent (got in trade from a good friend and mentor)

Virginia
02-08-2009, 05:08 PM
Sorry to go a bit off topic, plasma, but I believe you mentioned a while back that the carbon fibre (graphite) used in today's racquets is inferior to that used, in the 1980's. When did the quality deteriorate and in what way?

khw72004
02-08-2009, 06:42 PM
The paint on the Ultra 2 looks extremely nice but i don't like the split where the frame meets the grip. IMO the mold of the PS 85 looks a lot nicer.

Princegod
02-08-2009, 07:57 PM
I've hit with the Ultra 2 standard for a few minutes. Pretty solid frame and fairly hefty as well, not a whole lot of power though with the small head.

There are some reproduction Ultra 2's midsize available in Asia, though I doubt they have the same feel of the originals with different graphite used today.

plasma
02-08-2009, 10:05 PM
I remember seeing Aaron Krickstein in person as a kid. He would jump balls over opponents heads as a young pro, using the ultra 2 standard. The Ultra 2 mid is a far superior frame to the ps 85...far, far better....regardless of frame shape the materials in the Ultra 2 is much more forgiving and far more powerful than the ps 85! Only the original Wilson Keubler Profile and the Yamaha Secret 04 are as powerful as the U2...
Hey Virginia, as far as the info on graphite: a trusted source at one of the top raq companies for over 15 years talks of the thick coarse strands of horsetail like graphite. Apparently it is no longer available and thats why modern racquets feel like stiff crap!!!

galain
02-08-2009, 11:38 PM
I remember when they both came out - the Ultra 2 was Wilson's flagship model. It was marketed - pricewise at least - as the better frame (vs the Pro Staff)

Deuce
02-09-2009, 01:43 AM
I read somewhere that, for the past 10 or 15 years, the airline industry has been buying up all of the high quality graphite - which leaves only the lower quality graphite for racquet companies, etc.

I can't qualify that as being true or untrue, though.

plasma
02-10-2009, 07:32 PM
an insider told me of how it used to be and how it is now. what they call "graphite" is not the same material it used to be...
http://i44.tinypic.com/kd1lid.jpg

Deuce
02-10-2009, 09:47 PM
What they call a "tennis racquet" is not the same thing it used to be, either.

Bud
02-10-2009, 09:50 PM
I remember when they both came out - the Ultra 2 was Wilson's flagship model. It was marketed - pricewise at least - as the better frame (vs the Pro Staff)

I believe the U2 was the most expensive racquet in the lineup, too.

plasma
02-10-2009, 10:42 PM
How did the wilson ceramic fit in??? it played great!!! is it a consumer stick or also top of the line in its day, pre or post ps85??? ultra 2 mid feels like the power of two prostaffs smashed into one, ultra standard is best standard ever, better than dunlop 150g by far, feels so strong, stiff but crisp, not harsh feel, great touch have to try rossignol F100...how did the ultra 2 mid get lost in the great history of wilson??? probably should match my last U2 mid, would love to try the st. vincent u2 mid or the wide throat version (for laughs), chicago U2 mid is best racquet ever, I have countless PS 85 sv's, china's and taiwans and play them all extensively...ultra 2 is a better racquet...

retrowagen
02-11-2009, 11:08 PM
How did the wilson ceramic fit in??? it played great!!! is it a consumer stick or also top of the line in its day, pre or post ps85??? ultra 2 mid feels like the power of two prostaffs smashed into one, ultra standard is best standard ever, better than dunlop 150g by far, feels so strong, stiff but crisp, not harsh feel, great touch have to try rossignol F100...how did the ultra 2 mid get lost in the great history of wilson??? probably should match my last U2 mid, would love to try the st. vincent u2 mid or the wide throat version (for laughs), chicago U2 mid is best racquet ever, I have countless PS 85 sv's, china's and taiwans and play them all extensively...ultra 2 is a better racquet...
The Ceramic was introduced in 1987 at the same time as the Jack Kramer Staff, IIRC. The Wilson model heirarchy at the time, according to their catalogue, was:
Ultra 2
Pro Staff
Jack Kramer Staff
Ceramic
Graphite Matrix

The U2 seems to have been mostly forgotten as the main pros who used it were Mandlikova and Kohde-Kilsch on the WTA side and Krickstein and David Pate on the ATP side, good players, albeit not exactly household names. It was not a huge seller due to its price and stiffness being beyond what most could bear. But it too is my favorite Wilson model (the Mid, that is); the tapered beam lent the frame a really special feel. The later Ultra FPK was not finished nearly as well, but brought the tapered beam into the 1990's and struck a compromise between the U2 and PS in terms of feel and playability.

fuzz nation
02-15-2009, 07:42 AM
I read somewhere that, for the past 10 or 15 years, the airline industry has been buying up all of the high quality graphite - which leaves only the lower quality graphite for racquet companies, etc.

I can't qualify that as being true or untrue, though.

A friend of my Dad's used to work with the biggest carbon producing company in the world (graphite, etc. - not greenhouse emissions) and he's also a tennis player. I'll remember to ask him about this stuff when I see him next and hopefully get some good dirt on the good graphite.

plasma
02-15-2009, 01:33 PM
racquets off the shelf feel terrible nowadays, no where near these:
http://i43.tinypic.com/x44q3t.jpg

Virginia
02-15-2009, 10:48 PM
I was talking to someone today, who restores motor bikes. He actually restores my racquets too! :)

Anyway, he was saying that there are different grades of carbon fibre, the best going to Cadillacs and other American cars and the airline industry. I'm guessing that what they put into tennis racquets these days is just the inferior grade.

Rorsach
02-15-2009, 11:31 PM
According to that guy from Vantage (forgot his name, but he also used to work for Dunlop during the IMF years) the quality of the used graphite has just changed over the years, due to demand of the airline industry. It's actually superior to the old stuff considering it's market, it's just not that great for the racquets we like.

Rorsach
02-15-2009, 11:35 PM
Only the original Wilson Keubler Profile and the Yamaha Secret 04 are as powerful as the U2...


I knew there was a reason i've kept that old workhorse from the 80's:

(Compared to the old PK Micro Ace which is a hugely flexible frame)
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6496/rackets3sp2.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rackets3sp2.jpg)
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5740/rackets2gq1.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rackets2gq1.jpg)
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3349/rackets1wi5.th.jpg (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rackets1wi5.jpg)

plasma
02-15-2009, 11:51 PM
Keubler is a genius, have you visited him yet??? I hope to someday, it would be an amazing honor...

Bud
02-15-2009, 11:56 PM
racquets off the shelf feel terrible nowadays, no where near these:
http://i43.tinypic.com/x44q3t.jpg

Lovely Team Pro/Graphite Pro family pic! :)

plasma
02-16-2009, 12:23 AM
http://i43.tinypic.com/2yn4bxi.jpg
the team pro is a stiff shotmaker, an incredible racquet, any idea which 89.5 has the sam flex as the graphite edge, though? the edge was perfect!

Virginia
02-16-2009, 01:56 AM
Keubler is a genius, have you visited him yet??? I hope to someday, it would be an amazing honor...
Yes, it would be quite something. I have his book though - fabulous photographs and so much information. Even has all the patent info, as well as interesting facts about looking after, displaying and restoring collectors' racquets.

plasma
02-16-2009, 02:01 AM
that's a rare and legendary book! I love old tennis books...that's more like our Bible!!! would love to read it!

Virginia
02-16-2009, 02:03 AM
I bought it new, just a few months ago, from Kuebler direct.

jimbo333
02-16-2009, 05:16 AM
Yes I have that book, it really is absolutely amazing, so much information:)

When you say "have you visted him yet", this makes me laugh!!

Is it possible to go and visit him and see his unbelievable collection? If so how would I go about this? Would love to know!!!

plasma
02-16-2009, 07:08 PM
I thought it was out of print and htf??? there was recenlty a great thread about a visit to Keublers....it told of how the POG was actually a clone of the Bentely Fortissimo...