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Poluski
02-13-2009, 01:00 PM
I'm looking for some feedback, comments on the new Dunlop 200 4D 16x19. Anyone out there in Europe playing with these yet???

Right now I just started to use the 200 M-Fil version (2006) in 16x19 from TW. I have added leather grip, overgrip, about 6 grams at 3&9 and about 4 grams above the grip. Final spec is 345grams, 32cm balance. My goal was a lighter "k90" set up (356gr and 32cm). So far, so good but the idea of a 95 in head on the 4D appeals to me.

Anyone? Thanks

LeeD
02-13-2009, 01:11 PM
Do you have specs on 4D 200.
Using my Mfil 95 18x20 with 15 gauge cheapo strings at 62 for 4 months now.
I try all the Babs, Heads, TourWilsons all the time.. for hitting anyways. All very different, but a basic 12.5 oz head light soft frame and medium head is pretty tough to beat.
For my declining skills, eyes, footspeed, and aging, maybe a bigger bertha is the call, but they don't seem better in match play.

jazar
02-13-2009, 01:29 PM
weight of the 4d 200 16/19 is 312.5g if i recall correctly

Poluski
02-13-2009, 01:52 PM
the 200 4D 16x19 is 312g unstrung
the 18x20 version is 322.5g unstrung according too Dunlop website

radionise
02-13-2009, 02:55 PM
My main impression on the AG4D 16x19 is the maneuverability. The swingweight felt very low. Volleys are fun.

Groundstrokes are powerful with this stick.

Great serving stick, although I tend to serve better with the K90. Some leads may help.

The weight is about 335 g (11.6 to 11.7 oz) with Yonex supergrap overgrip on.

The racket feels flexible and relatively less stiff than say, the K95's. It is very easy on the arm. The circa 11.6 oz static weight provides ample opportunity for customisation.

suppawat
02-14-2009, 08:57 AM
I am a big fan of AG200 (18x20) and have a plan to buy AG200 4D (18x20) very soon. Today I just tried AG200 4D (16x19) and have a totally different feedback from my original expectation. The racquet is very light and a bit unstable. I also feel like there is no power behind my shots from both wings. Even though the static strung weight sound very good, it's pretty hollow. Serious customization is really required for this stick. Compared to my Wilson KTour, KTour outperforms in every aspect at lighter weight.

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king of swing
02-14-2009, 10:35 AM
^^ those are amazing pics... i might even put them up as backgrounds

Poluski
02-14-2009, 01:16 PM
Suppawat,
Indeed those are nice photos. The 18x20 version is about 10g heavier, so I'm not surprised that you felt some instability. I plan on adding weight to bring it to about 345g so from that aspect that's not a problem.

Any other comments? How about bit eon ball from string pattern, flex feel, etc.?
thx

king of swing
02-14-2009, 01:41 PM
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yup I put it up as my background :)

suppawat
02-14-2009, 05:21 PM
Suppawat,
Indeed those are nice photos. The 18x20 version is about 10g heavier, so I'm not surprised that you felt some instability. I plan on adding weight to bring it to about 345g so from that aspect that's not a problem.

Any other comments? How about bit eon ball from string pattern, flex feel, etc.?
thx

I didn't realize 10g would make much difference :). In terms of feel, AG2004D (16x19) generates crip response if hitting the sweetspot. It's pretty much the same crisp feel as I found on Yonex RQiS, but with relatively smaller sweetspot. For flex, I think the frame is too stiff to my taste. In addition, it was strung with a poly hybrid so it makes a whole frame even harsher and stiffer. I prefer a soft and flexy frame. One of my favorite combination is AG200 (18x20) with Babolat XCel Premium at 55lbs. Now I am looking forward to demo a AG200 4D (18x20).

Unlike me, my friend who is a teaching pro loves that AG2004D 16x19 frame a lot. He said it plays a bit softer than his old AG300. He played orginal AG200 before and he hated it (too heavy). So I think it's really up to personal preference :) He normally play double and not very much from the baseline. Also he has compact and wristy strokes, and hit mostly flat shots. May be AG2004D (16x19) is good in this category.

Kuub
02-15-2009, 04:05 AM
yup I put it up as my background :)

Or just buy the racket and hang it up on your wall :)

Poluski
02-19-2009, 07:44 AM
radionise and suppawat thanks for the comments. I just placed an order with UK site for this frame. One thing that convinced me to try it was that I took the 300 4D Tour for a test hit. I was impressed how solid and not overly flexible it felt despite its 63RA rating. I'm making this comparison to my M-Fil 200 16x19 which is the identical mold to the 300 4D Tour and which has 67RA. I think there is something to that 4D stuff. I'll check it out and report back in couple of weeks. In the mean time, anyone else...?

FloridaAG
02-19-2009, 09:29 AM
I play with the m-fil 200 16x19 and iI don't think there is any way that its stiffness is actually 67. I know that the specs said that somewere, but I don't see it.

snoopy
02-19-2009, 01:18 PM
I play with the m-fil 200 16x19 and iI don't think there is any way that its stiffness is actually 67. I know that the specs said that somewere, but I don't see it.

The 67 listed on the frame is for an unstrung racquet. Stringing will lower the stiffness rating by 2-3 points. That's why TW shows the flex as 64. Even with a flex of 64, the mfi 200 16x19 doesn't feel boardy like some frames that have a similar flex measurement

VillaVilla
02-21-2009, 04:04 AM
Any ideas when this will come out in Australia and the rough price?

crism54
02-21-2009, 04:50 AM
ag 200 16*19 flex is around 63

Fedace
02-22-2009, 12:29 PM
My question is does 4D tech really make a difference ?? and racket with this low of a Swingweight, is it going to be stable on the Heavy shots like handling heavy topspin from your opponent and so on ???

Poluski
03-03-2009, 10:12 AM
Update. I ordered the frame from UK and it arrived two weeks later. It looks gorgeous. The frame came strung. Initial measurements are 325g and 32.3cm with factory strings only. I took it out for a 7 min hit.

My question is does 4D tech really make a difference ?? and racket with this low of a Swingweight, is it going to be stable on the Heavy shots like handling heavy topspin from your opponent and so on ???

Yes compared to my M-Fil 200 plus the 4D does feel more solid. It simply does not feel like a 62-63RA. That's what I could determine in the very short hit.

The swing weight with 4D is not an issue, actually an advantage as I can tune to the way I like it. My M-fils are 345g and 32cm with leather+OG and lead in hoop and throat.

New strings (gut/poly) are next with the rest of the handle/weight upgrades. I'll report back.

zeusmerlin
03-03-2009, 09:49 PM
hi suppawat, did you get the 16x19 in Bangkok? if so which shop is selling them, thanks