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Bud
02-13-2009, 11:38 PM
Let's break up the monotony with a bit of fun!! :)

I recently picked up the remaining 'deadstock' of a former racquet company called ProHand. I believe the ProHand (athletic) brand still exists and was perhaps reorganized after their untimely bankruptcy. However, they no longer produce or sell tennis racquets, as far as I can tell from Internet research.

Apparently, they went 'under' in the late 1980's to early 1990's and their assets (racquets) were liquidated in bankruptcy court. You know how these things go... racquets sit in some anonymous warehouse for years until they are 'rediscovered' in a back closet... or the warehouse owner dies and the heirs inherit them... blah, blah, blah, etc. :twisted:

Anyhow, when I saw these frames, initially... I was thinking to myself... perhaps, buy them and donate them to some underprivileged childrens' tennis program or use them to test various string types/tensions, etc. However, upon closer inspection I noted they had some interesting characteristics...:shock:

First, the fit and finish on all four models is stunning! I'd say easily as good as anything produced today and in the case of the purple/pink racquet (known as the Charmie 30), even superior to anything produced today.

Next, all 4 models have nicely appointed, matching padded head covers, decent hanging tags, string logos and get this... shrink-wrapped factory LEATHER grips with the embossed ProHand name AND logo! In the case of the Charmie 30... the leather grip was dyed purple to match the flawless, shiny pink paint. Speaking of which, 3 of the 4 models have matte finishes and the 4th is brilliantly shiny.

However, as I further examined these 4 frames in person, the biggest surprise was their eerily familiar appearance... like I'd seen these racquets somewhere else. Well, as it turns out... I had! The company flawlessly copied 4 popular 1980's frames.

Your mission is to identify which popular 1980's frames were cloned by ProHand! If you choose to accept this mission... you will be rewarded with a grab bag of tennis goodies courtesy of... Retrowagen and VSBabolat!

Lol!... Just kidding on that last part... courtesy of me, of course! :lol:

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Read Carefully: You get one shot at it! Simply name the original 1980's frame each clone represents (from left to right) <---

For Example: (feel free to cut and paste this as a prototype for your answers)
Frame 1: Wilson Prestige (far left)
Frame 2: Prince Boron (second to left)
Frame 3: Head Legend (second to right)
Frame 4: Dunlop Max 200G (far right)

** Edited posts will be disqualified... so, examine them carefully prior to posting your answers! <---
** First person with all 4 correct answers (in the proper order) wins!
** Contest closes in approximately 24 hours - at 12:01 am, February 15th (Sunday) <---

Good Luck!

Bud
02-13-2009, 11:39 PM
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgYPpVy0I/AAAAAAAAGwU/btxUq_ldxM0/s800/P1040706.JPG


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgYo8oGHI/AAAAAAAAGwc/EKx7YTYlw-0/s800/P1040707.JPG


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgZKzBdyI/AAAAAAAAGwk/oRIZyhxQtt4/s800/P1040708.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgZTt-6jI/AAAAAAAAGws/QdA1FSaQyCU/s800/P1040709.JPG

Bud
02-13-2009, 11:40 PM
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgYPpVy0I/AAAAAAAAGwU/btxUq_ldxM0/s800/P1040706.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgaFhP9RI/AAAAAAAAGw0/hoEQf0sBinY/s800/P1040710.JPG


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgasHWYtI/AAAAAAAAGw8/cYif1ZwKUXc/s800/P1040712.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgb_u4YjI/AAAAAAAAGxE/SpNrBJq1kl8/s800/P1040713.JPG

Bud
02-13-2009, 11:41 PM
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgYPpVy0I/AAAAAAAAGwU/btxUq_ldxM0/s800/P1040706.JPG


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgdVfk15I/AAAAAAAAGxM/XrS2ENpHB34/s800/P1040714.JPG


http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgfLUQ9lI/AAAAAAAAGxU/E6B7IpwKZDg/s800/P1040715.JPG


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZggl948YI/AAAAAAAAGxg/gk90v4WAqDQ/s800/P1040716.JPG

Bud
02-13-2009, 11:41 PM
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgYPpVy0I/AAAAAAAAGwU/btxUq_ldxM0/s800/P1040706.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgim9xZyI/AAAAAAAAGxo/byp381o1sAs/s800/P1040717.JPG


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgkGfS_ZI/AAAAAAAAGxw/3AQDL3yJlXU/s800/P1040719.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZglgpJPMI/AAAAAAAAGx4/wVVcvgQl0po/s800/P1040720.JPG

Bud
02-13-2009, 11:42 PM
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgnluKJzI/AAAAAAAAGyA/YuFKfFYNwy4/s800/P1040721.JPG


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgpVupijI/AAAAAAAAGyI/E0XreLYncCQ/s800/P1040722.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgq7Gk2xI/AAAAAAAAGyQ/UqizO3QtuHw/s800/P1040723.JPG


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgsvx5ZoI/AAAAAAAAGyY/8-r_JFTDD6M/s800/P1040724.JPG

OnyxZ28
02-13-2009, 11:58 PM
1. Prince OS
2. Head Pro series
3. Wilson Sting
4. 6.0 85

Princegod
02-14-2009, 12:51 AM
From left to right:

1. Prince Power Pro 90
2. Head Graphite Pro (labeled Mid Plus by Head)
3. Wilson Sting (Midsize)
4. Wilson Graphite Matrix (Midsize)

jimbo333
02-14-2009, 04:01 AM
OK from left to right, I'm going to try:-

1. Head Prestige
2. Head Edge
3. Wilson Sting
4. Wilson Matrix

plasma
02-14-2009, 07:35 AM
are these all the same headsize? I'm hoping there's a Fairway by Balmfort, Lime green CAP grommets, 45 feet of VS GUT, and an original vibrazorb shock dampener in that grab bag!!!!!

vsbabolat
02-14-2009, 07:43 AM
Never heard of ProHand before great find Bud!!

I'll take a shot.
Chief 80=Prince Graphite Pro 90
Charmie 30=HEAD Graphite Edge
Captain 50= Wilson Sting Midsize
Champ 100=Wilson Pro Staff Midsize

retrowagen
02-14-2009, 08:18 AM
Chief 80 = Prince Comp Series 90
Charmie 30 = Head Graphite Edge
Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize
Champ 100 = Wilson Pro Staff Midsize

yeah, I know, VSBabolat and I almost have the same list!

Bud
02-14-2009, 08:27 AM
are these all the same headsize? I'm hoping there's a Fairway by Balmfort, Lime green CAP grommets, 45 feet of VS GUT, and an original vibrazorb shock dampener in that grab bag!!!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

They all mimic the headsize of the original classic they cloned.

:p

Bud
02-14-2009, 08:29 AM
Never heard of ProHand before great find Bud!!

Thanks!

Once the contest is over I'll measure the weight/balance for all four sticks and post the info.

plasma
02-14-2009, 08:52 AM
do all 4 clones mimic different frames manufactured from the same single company or brand? or are several brands or companies being cloned with these four specimen?

meowmix
02-14-2009, 09:05 AM
From left to right:

Prince Graphite Supreme
Dunlop Max 200G
Wilson Sting
Wilson PS 6.0 85

Captain Haddock
02-14-2009, 09:14 AM
Very nice find. I'm familiar with all kinds of clones (from Zebest, Pro Supex, Cayman, etc.), but have never seen these or even heard of the brand.

1= Prince Power Pro 90 or Spectrum 90 (14 mains)
2 = Head Edge
3= Wilson Sting (1st generation without PWS)
4 = Wilson Pro Staff mid (aka 6.0 85)

bruinduke
02-14-2009, 09:14 AM
1. Head Prestige
2. Dunlop Max 200g
3. Wilson Sting
4. Wilson Ultra

matchmaker
02-14-2009, 09:16 AM
Chief 80 = Prince Graphite Comp Series 90 (here I am in doubt, but the head shape is too round to be a Head)
Charmie 30 = Head Graphite Edge (ptetty sure)
Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize (look at the throat section)
Champ 100 = Wilson Matrix with PWS (the head shape is just a bit more oval than the PS 6.0)

Captain Haddock
02-14-2009, 09:18 AM
Is there any mention of the composition of the frames. For instance, does the last one with the PWS mention braided graphite?

Kal-El 34
02-14-2009, 09:54 AM
frame 1 - prince power pro 90
frame 2 - head txp pro
frame 3 - wilson sting
frame 4 - jk prostaff? or wilson matrix

Bud
02-14-2009, 11:23 AM
do all 4 clones mimic different frames manufactured from the same single company or brand? or are several brands or companies being cloned with these four specimen?

The 4 frames shown mimic several popular 1980's racquet styles, from different companies ;)

It appears ProHand looked at several of the most popular racquets, circa 1984-88 and attempted to cash in on their phenomenal success.

Bud
02-14-2009, 11:25 AM
Is there any mention of the composition of the frames. For instance, does the last one with the PWS mention braided graphite?

The first three are graphite/fiberglass composite and the fourth is 'premium graphite'.

Bud
02-14-2009, 11:27 AM
Some great guesses so far... keep em coming! :)

Kal-El 34
02-14-2009, 11:38 AM
we should be allowed to guess twice haha

Bud
02-14-2009, 12:08 PM
we should be allowed to guess twice haha

:lol::lol::lol:

BDAZ
02-14-2009, 12:12 PM
Damn! just saw this thread and my list is the same as vsbabolat. a few think that the first is the power pro, but i think it's the graphite pro. i could be wrong on the last. looks like a pro staff 85, but i don't really have any experience with the matrix. i think vsbab is correct.

meowmix
02-14-2009, 12:14 PM
^I'm pretty sure it's the ps 85, since the matrix is a 16 by 19 string patterned racket. Just an FYI for anybody else that's entering the contest :)

Mansewerz
02-14-2009, 12:54 PM
Gaahhhhh, all of these were made before I was born!!!!

1. POG OS
2. Head Graphite Edge
3. Wilson Sting
4. Wilson Graphite Matrix

matchmaker
02-14-2009, 02:34 PM
^I'm pretty sure it's the ps 85, since the matrix is a 16 by 19 string patterned racket. Just an FYI for anybody else that's entering the contest :)

Yep, I saw that too, but if you look at the throat section it is definitely not the PS 6.0, if it is a copy of the PS 6.0, than it is just a bad one.

Mansewerz
02-14-2009, 02:56 PM
matchmaker, how old are you? I'm just curious. Don't answer if you don't feel comfortable with disclosing it.

matchmaker
02-14-2009, 03:26 PM
matchmaker, how old are you? I'm just curious. Don't answer if you don't feel comfortable with disclosing it.

I am thirty, hit the round number a few months ago. Still nothing to be too ashamed of. How old are you, if I may ask?

Now about the last racquet, it is not a Matrix either, I was wrong. The Matrix has a narrower throat and a longer section above the handle than this racquet.

I don't think it is a PS 6.0, because that racquet has a sort of fork or Y-like shape above the handle, and this racquet has a more gentle transition from handle to throat. Besides, if it copied the PS 6.0, the layup would have to contain kevlar, whereas here it says: premium graphite.

matchmaker
02-14-2009, 03:31 PM
For the last frame, I am guessing it must be a clone of the Jack Kramer Staff, the Jack Kramer is 80% graphite, 20% fiberglass, but on the frame above the handle it just says midsize graphite.

It also seems that, although the mold seems to be identical to the PS 6.0, the Kramer staff seems to have a microscopically different throat with slightly more curve on the throat section and less angle from handle to throat than the PS 6.0.

matchmaker
02-14-2009, 03:42 PM
Thinking better, if it is only graphite, it should be a copy of the Pro Staff Midsize, that one did not have kevlar, nor fiberglass listed in its lay-up.

Mansewerz
02-14-2009, 04:15 PM
I am thirty, hit the round number a few months ago. Still nothing to be too ashamed of. How old are you, if I may ask?

Now about the last racquet, it is not a Matrix either, I was wrong. The Matrix has a narrower throat and a longer section above the handle than this racquet.

I don't think it is a PS 6.0, because that racquet has a sort of fork or Y-like shape above the handle, and this racquet has a more gentle transition from handle to throat. Besides, if it copied the PS 6.0, the layup would have to contain kevlar, whereas here it says: premium graphite.

I'm 16. For a while I thought you were around my age. I probably had you mixed up with meowmix though.

matchmaker
02-14-2009, 04:34 PM
I'm 16. For a while I thought you were around my age. I probably had you mixed up with meowmix though.

Nice to see you take an interest in vintage frames. BTW, I like your avatar. That was one of the most elegant players ever, though I always rooted for Becker in their Wimby finals. They played a lot of them.

I am actually from the generation that has most conscious memories from the late nineties until now. Racquet technology has changed a lot. The first racquet I bought was an Estusa Power Beam, then I changed to the Head Radical. I remember original Prestiges still being for sale in regular sportshops when I was young. Then came the profile and hammer technology, and that was the beginning of the end.

meowmix
02-14-2009, 05:01 PM
I'm 16. For a while I thought you were around my age. I probably had you mixed up with meowmix though.

Yup, you did :) I'd the 16 year old.

Matchmaker, are you sure? I've got a PS85 clone here at my house, and the throat looks almost exactly the same- a fairly stubby transition from handle to throat, with about 2cm from the top of the handle to the throat. Unless my clone's a bad clone? Also, my clone is marked 100% graphite (or something like that), despite being an obvious ps 85 clone.

matchmaker
02-14-2009, 05:15 PM
Yup, you did :) I'd the 16 year old.

Matchmaker, are you sure? I've got a PS85 clone here at my house, and the throat looks almost exactly the same- a fairly stubby transition from handle to throat, with about 2cm from the top of the handle to the throat. Unless my clone's a bad clone? Also, my clone is marked 100% graphite (or something like that), despite being an obvious ps 85 clone.

I do think that it is somekind of Pro Staff clone.

The paint scheme maybe changes a little the optical effects. I think it is a Pro Staff Midsize clone, because that racquet was 100% graphite and not graphite/kevlar like the 6.0.

BTW, nice to see another 16 year old who is knowledgeable about classic frames. Keep up the good work!

meowmix
02-14-2009, 05:27 PM
Hey, matchmaker, I'm uploading 6 pics of both the Matrix and my clone. Would you be able to tell me how good/bad of a clone mine is?

http://s734.photobucket.com/albums/ww346/meowmix0669/graphite%20matrix%20and%20ps%20clone/

Bud
02-14-2009, 06:11 PM
Keep the guesses coming!

I may extend the deadline a day since the response has been so positive! :grin:

Deuce
02-14-2009, 10:11 PM
Second from left (Charmie 30) is Head Composite Edge.

lilxjohnyy
02-14-2009, 10:48 PM
1. Prince Power Pro 90
2. Head Graphite Pro
3. Wilson Sting
4. Wilson PS85

Bud
02-15-2009, 12:42 AM
Contest will end at 12:01 am Pacific Time, Monday February 16th :)

vndesu
02-15-2009, 01:41 AM
1. prince pog mid
2. head satellite tour
3. wilson sting
4. ps 85


please let me b right

lazyeenviet
02-15-2009, 02:01 AM
1. Prince Spectrum 90
2. Head Graphite Edge
3. wilson sting
4. ps 85

Bud
02-15-2009, 02:04 AM
Second from left (Charmie 30) is Head Composite Edge.

That Charmie's charming... ain't it? :razz:

The finish is like glass.

vndesu
02-15-2009, 02:06 AM
is any even close with the guesses?

ChuDat
02-15-2009, 02:19 AM
1. prince comp-graphite
2. head special edition edge
3. wilson sting
4. ps 85

Bud
02-15-2009, 02:32 AM
is any even close with the guesses?

Yes, some are close.

ChuDat
02-15-2009, 02:34 AM
damn i just found the 1st one but i already placed my guess

Bud
02-15-2009, 02:35 AM
damn i just found the 1st one but i already placed my guess

:lol::lol::lol:

ChuDat
02-15-2009, 02:36 AM
:lol::lol::lol:

I'm hoping my guess is correct.

Bud
02-15-2009, 02:38 AM
I'm hoping my guess is correct.

You'll find out Monday morning :twisted:

ChuDat
02-15-2009, 02:40 AM
what happens if no one wins?

Deuce
02-15-2009, 02:42 AM
That Charmie's charming... ain't it? :razz:

The finish is like glass.
Looking at it reminded me of the Composite Edge right away.
Even the graphics of the Comp. Edge are similar, as I recall, with the horizontal pinstripes...

Bud
02-15-2009, 02:47 AM
what happens if no one wins?

Then... whoever gets the most correct wins :grin:

Mansewerz
02-15-2009, 09:25 AM
Nice to see you take an interest in vintage frames. BTW, I like your avatar. That was one of the most elegant players ever, though I always rooted for Becker in their Wimby finals. They played a lot of them.

I am actually from the generation that has most conscious memories from the late nineties until now. Racquet technology has changed a lot. The first racquet I bought was an Estusa Power Beam, then I changed to the Head Radical. I remember original Prestiges still being for sale in regular sportshops when I was young. Then came the profile and hammer technology, and that was the beginning of the end.

Yea I like the oldy frames. They were cool. I like to know the history of it all.

Yup, you did :) I'd the 16 year old.

Matchmaker, are you sure? I've got a PS85 clone here at my house, and the throat looks almost exactly the same- a fairly stubby transition from handle to throat, with about 2cm from the top of the handle to the throat. Unless my clone's a bad clone? Also, my clone is marked 100% graphite (or something like that), despite being an obvious ps 85 clone.

You wouldn't happen to be in IL would you?

plasma
02-15-2009, 11:48 AM
are we judging by cosmetics or only mold and frame shape? I am baffled by the first two. Where were these made? Who decided on The unique name "Pro Hand Charmie 30"? where are they now???..... is that a "fight the pawa" fist at the end of their logo?, could we have a close up please?...this quiz is a struggle.....
http://i42.tinypic.com/24m94rm.jpg
united we stand....Pro Hand!

meowmix
02-15-2009, 01:53 PM
You wouldn't happen to be in IL would you?

IL? Where'd you get that from? :)

Nah, I'm in PA. I got the clone from somebody on this board (real nice of him too- sent it to me for free... I owe him one).

Bud
02-15-2009, 04:22 PM
are we judging by cosmetics or only mold and frame shape? I am baffled by the first two. Where were these made? Who decided on The unique name "Pro Hand Charmie 30"? where are they now???..... is that a "fight the pawa" fist at the end of their logo?, could we have a close up please?...this quiz is a struggle.....
http://i42.tinypic.com/24m94rm.jpg
united we stand....Pro Hand!

The molds, frame shapes and string patterns mimic other brand name racquets from the 1980's. Since there were a number of frames that shared the same mold, back in the day... I'm disregarding the cosmetics and materials/composition.

If the 4 racquets you name can all be laid on top of their respective ProHand counterparts... that's enough.

Bud
02-15-2009, 04:23 PM
are we judging by cosmetics or only mold and frame shape? I am baffled by the first two. Where were these made? Who decided on The unique name "Pro Hand Charmie 30"? where are they now???..... is that a "fight the pawa" fist at the end of their logo?, could we have a close up please?...this quiz is a struggle.....
http://i42.tinypic.com/24m94rm.jpg
united we stand....Pro Hand!

Love the slogan! You know... it may be a stylized version of the hand shown above.

I wasn't aware of the 'Fight the Power' logo until now :)

plasma
02-15-2009, 05:31 PM
also known as the "Black Power" symbol from the civil rights movement.

Bud
02-15-2009, 05:45 PM
also known as the "Black Power" symbol from the civil rights movement.

I was still in diapers during that movement :)

Princegod
02-15-2009, 05:49 PM
It's also the symbol of Communism. :D

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_344/1229344682Jn23Lt.jpg

zapvor
02-15-2009, 08:09 PM
whats the prize

matchmaker
02-15-2009, 08:11 PM
I believe this would be the final list of frames given the shape and composition of the frames.

Chief 80 = Prince Graphite Comp Series 90Charmie 30 = Head Composite Edge Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize
Champ 100 = Wilson Pro Staff Midsize

plasma
02-15-2009, 08:43 PM
my list is the same except replace the comp edge with the real thing, comp edge doesn't seem nearly popular enough to clone and graphics on other PH (ProHand) clones show that only the mold and not the pj's were cloned. I believe the answer is
Chief 80 = Prince Graphite Comp Series 90
Charmie 30 = Head Graphite Edge
Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize
Champ 100 = Wilson Pro Staff Original Midsize

some folks mentioned the wilson matrix which is itself an obscure clone....

String|Guru
02-15-2009, 09:02 PM
Prince Spectrum Comp 90
Dunlop Max 200g
Wilson Sting Midsize
Wilson Pro Staff (6.0) Midsize

Bud
02-15-2009, 11:53 PM
whats the prize

A grab box filled with tennis goodies! :)

ChuDat
02-15-2009, 11:56 PM
A grab box filled with tennis goodies! :)

does that include strings and grips. jk

Bud
02-15-2009, 11:57 PM
does that include strings and grips. jk

Of course ;-)

ChuDat
02-16-2009, 12:00 AM
Of course ;-)

Now I'm definetly hoping I win.

Bud
02-16-2009, 12:04 AM
Contest is now closed! :)

Let me review the answers...

ChuDat
02-16-2009, 12:08 AM
I have a feeling racquet #4 isn't the ps 85

ChuDat
02-16-2009, 12:09 AM
Contest is now closed! :)

Let me review the answers...

Hurry up. just kidding take your time, seriously

Bud
02-16-2009, 12:17 AM
Never heard of ProHand before great find Bud!!

I'll take a shot.

Chief 80=Prince Graphite Pro 90
Charmie 30=HEAD Graphite Edge
Captain 50= Wilson Sting Midsize
Champ 100=Wilson Pro Staff Midsize


Chief 80 = Prince Comp Series 90
Charmie 30 = Head Graphite Edge
Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize
Champ 100 = Wilson Pro Staff Midsize

yeah, I know, VSBabolat and I almost have the same list!

I believe this would be the final list of frames given the shape and composition of the frames.

Chief 80 = Prince Graphite Comp Series 90
Charmie 30 = Head Composite Edge
Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize
Champ 100 = Wilson Pro Staff Midsize

my list is the same except replace the comp edge with the real thing, comp edge doesn't seem nearly popular enough to clone and graphics on other PH (ProHand) clones show that only the mold and not the pj's were cloned. I believe the answer is

Chief 80 = Prince Graphite Comp Series 90
Charmie 30 = Head Graphite Edge
Captain 50 = Wilson Sting Midsize
Champ 100 = Wilson Pro Staff Original Midsize

some folks mentioned the wilson matrix which is itself an obscure clone....

Great job !!!

The above TT members all receive honorable mentions.

Answers were 99% correct.

However, each one of you missed a very small detail in answering the Captain 50.

** See next post for the WINNER! <----

Bud
02-16-2009, 12:18 AM
Fabrice Leroy !

Very nice find. I'm familiar with all kinds of clones (from Zebest, Pro Supex, Cayman, etc.), but have never seen these or even heard of the brand.

1= Prince Power Pro 90 or Spectrum 90 (14 mains)
2 = Head Edge
3= Wilson Sting (1st generation without PWS)
4 = Wilson Pro Staff mid (aka 6.0 85)


Originally, I thought VSBabolat would take it. I didn't think anyone would be so detailed to state it was the 1st graphite Wilson Sting WITHOUT the PWS system. However, Fabrice Leroy's post was, technically, the most accurate.

Congratulations Fabrice!

I already have your email address and will contact you shortly.

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Thanks all for playing!

Hopefully, it brought some additional folks to the Classic racquets forum to learn more about these awesome older frames.

ChuDat
02-16-2009, 12:19 AM
I bet everyone is waiting for the next post

Bud
02-16-2009, 12:20 AM
I bet everyone is waiting for the next post

No, you mean previous post... :lol:

That's why I created a placeholder :wink:

ChuDat
02-16-2009, 12:24 AM
I have a feeling one of the people from the honorable mentions won

Bud
02-16-2009, 12:29 AM
I have a feeling one of the people from the honorable mentions won

Nope... they all got extremely close.

ChuDat
02-16-2009, 12:31 AM
Hey Fabrice Leroy, my best friend in the whole world haha.

Bud
02-16-2009, 12:31 AM
Hey Fabrice Leroy, my best friend in the whole world haha.

You know Fabrice?

ChuDat
02-16-2009, 12:33 AM
You know Fabrice?

no haha I wish

Deuce
02-16-2009, 12:34 AM
Don't a few of the respective answers (of the 'Honorable Mentions' and Fabrice) differ slightly in respect to racquet #1 (Chief 80)?
It still seems unclear as to what racquet that frame is 'cloning'.

Also... does it say on the tags what racquet they are a copy of?

And... why have you played only with the Charmie (only tag that is gone, and only one with elastic on strings)?
Does it play like the Graphite Edge?

Bud
02-16-2009, 12:39 AM
Don't a few of the respective answers (of the 'Honorable Mentions' and Fabrice) differ slightly in respect to racquet #1 (Chief 80)?

They do... however, there were multiple correct answers for each:

Racquet 1 - was seeking Prince 90 series frames (no stabilizer bar) - 14x18 string pattern.

Racquet 2 - was looking for Head Graphite Edge, Composite Edge, etc. (same headsize and string pattern)

Racquet 3 - was looking for the 1st generation Sting mid (no bumper and PWS)

Racquet 4 - was looking for the PS 85, JK Staff, etc. All shared the same mold (headsize and string pattern)

Bud
02-16-2009, 01:24 AM
What surprised me the most, however... is that the ProHand Company didn't mimic the specs of the frames they chose to copy.

All frames are evenly balanced and the weights vary by grip size.

I'll have to weigh and balance all 50 frames, since I have all 4 models in various grip sizes.

Imagine the swingweight on the Grip 5, Charmie 30? <---


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Racquet Specifications:


Charmie 30 (Head Graphite Edge)

Head size: 81 sq. in.
String pattern: 18x19
Material: graphite/fiberglass composite
Length: 27"
Weight: 13.0 oz.
Balance: Even
Grip: 5


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgaFhP9RI/AAAAAAAAGw0/hoEQf0sBinY/s800/P1040710.JPG



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Captain 50 (Wilson Sting mid - no PWS)

Head size: 85 sq. in.
String pattern: 16x18
Material: graphite/fiberglass composite
Length: 27"
Weight: 11.5 oz.
Balance: Even
Grip: 3


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgdVfk15I/AAAAAAAAGxM/XrS2ENpHB34/s800/P1040714.JPG



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Chief 80 (Prince Series 90)

Head size: 90 sq. in.
String pattern: 14x18
Material: graphite/fiberglass composite
Length: 27"
Weight: 12.0 oz.
Balance: Even
Grip: 4


http://lh5.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgYo8oGHI/AAAAAAAAGwc/EKx7YTYlw-0/s800/P1040707.JPG



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Champ 100 (Wilson PS mid)

Head size: 85 sq. in.
String pattern: 16x18
Material: premium graphite
Length: 27"
Weight: 12.5 oz.
Balance: Even
Grip: 4


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgim9xZyI/AAAAAAAAGxo/byp381o1sAs/s800/P1040717.JPG



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OnyxZ28
02-16-2009, 01:27 AM
Holy cow, from the specs, I imagine they swing like logs! http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/eek3dance.gif

Bud
02-16-2009, 01:28 AM
Holy cow, from the specs, I imagine they swing like logs! http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/eek3dance.gif

Yup... it was the 80's though... 12-13 oz. racquets weren't unusual.

vndesu
02-16-2009, 01:29 AM
Holy cow, from the specs, I imagine they swing like logs! http://www.club3g.com/forum/images/smilies/eek3dance.gif

you should try my wilson javelin mid.
13.4oz+ xD

Bud
02-16-2009, 01:30 AM
you should try my wilson javelin mid.
13.4oz+ xD

Ship it to me and I'll give er a try! :lol:

vndesu
02-16-2009, 01:33 AM
Ship it to me and I'll give er a try! :lol:

hhaha you wish i had money :x
right now restocking is borrowing it

it was good on groundies but serves and volleys werent as easy to produce X|

RestockingTues
02-16-2009, 01:37 AM
If vndesu is fine with it, I'll be more than happy to ship it to you Bud.
It's shanksville for me anyways :? I'm nowhere near a good enough player to play with it.

Bud
02-16-2009, 03:01 AM
If vndesu is fine with it, I'll be more than happy to ship it to you Bud.
It's shanksville for me anyways :? I'm nowhere near a good enough player to play with it.

Thanks! But, I was kidding :)

I'm trying to stick solely with my PK 5G until my TE is completely healed.

:grin:

BDAZ
02-16-2009, 05:30 AM
i would like to point out that any old prince series 90 frame would not necessarily be accurate. the spectrum comp and graphite comp had grommets that ran along the outside of the frame at the end toward the throat, whilst the power pro and graphite pro had a grommet channel that ran all the way to the last hole, so the grommets were recessed in the frame, like most racquets.

jimbo333
02-16-2009, 05:43 AM
Well I think vsbabolat should have won then, at least he is the true winner in my eyes!!!

Now do you think he might sell me that 300i prototype at some point:)

Bud
02-16-2009, 05:51 AM
Well I think vsbabolat should have won then, at least he is the true winner in my eyes!!!

Now do you think he might sell me that 300i prototype at some point:)

Mmmmm no... still won't sell you that prototype :)

Well, at SOME point... perhaps, he'll leave it to you in his will.

jimbo333
02-16-2009, 05:57 AM
Mmmmm no... still won't sell you that prototype :)

Well, at SOME point... perhaps, he'll leave it to you in his will.

Well I've gotta stay optimistic:twisted::twisted::twisted:

meowmix
02-16-2009, 07:00 AM
What surprised me the most, however... is that the ProHand Company didn't mimic the specs of the frames they chose to copy.

All frames are evenly balanced and the weights vary by grip size.

I'll have to weigh and balance all 50 frames, since I have all 4 models in various grip sizes.

Imagine the swingweight on the Grip 5, Charmie 30? <---


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Racquet Specifications:


Charmie 30 (Head Graphite Edge)

Head size: 81 sq. in.
String pattern: 18x19
Material: graphite/fiberglass composite
Length: 27"
Weight: 13.0 oz.
Balance: Even
Grip: 5





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Captain 50 (Wilson Sting mid - no PWS)

Head size: 85 sq. in.
String pattern: 16x18
Material: graphite/fiberglass composite
Length: 27"
Weight: 11.5 oz.
Balance: Even
Grip: 3



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Chief 80 (Prince Series 90)

Head size: 90 sq. in.
String pattern: 14x18
Material: graphite/fiberglass composite
Length: 27"
Weight: 12.0 oz.
Balance: Even
Grip: 4- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -



Champ 100 (Wilson PS mid)

Head size: 85 sq. in.
String pattern: 16x18
Material: premium graphite
Length: 27"
Weight: 12.5 oz.
Balance: Even
Grip: 4


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SZZgim9xZyI/AAAAAAAAGxo/byp381o1sAs/s800/P1040717.JPG



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Apart from that Sting clone, those all seem like absolutely logs! Anybody care to speculate as to swingweight :shock: ?

retrowagen
02-16-2009, 08:58 AM
No sour grapes here, but Fabrice's answer of Head Edge is technically incorrect! The Head Edge was an aluminum frame with a huge plastic bridge. Graphite or Composite Edge looked a little different...

:)

jimbo333
02-16-2009, 09:16 AM
No sour grapes here, but Fabrice's answer of Head Edge is technically incorrect! The Head Edge was an aluminum frame with a huge plastic bridge. Graphite or Composite Edge looked a little different...

:)

Again I would have to completely agree!!

So vsbabolat is now definitely the true winner:)

What a fantastic fellow that vsbabolat chap is, if only he would agree to sell me that one racquet of his that I'm after!!!

Bud
02-16-2009, 02:18 PM
No sour grapes here, but Fabrice's answer of Head Edge is technically incorrect! The Head Edge was an aluminum frame with a huge plastic bridge. Graphite or Composite Edge looked a little different...

:)

I interpreted his answer to cover the Graphite Edge, Composite Edge, etc. since they were identical in head size and string pattern. They only differed in composition.

Like many of you, he appears to really know the older frames.

Bud
02-16-2009, 02:22 PM
Next contest... I'll listen to... and consider arguments for/against prior to naming a winner :-D

Bud
02-16-2009, 02:22 PM
Again I would have to completely agree!!

So vsbabolat is now definitely the true winner:)

What a fantastic fellow that vsbabolat chap is, if only he would agree to sell me that one racquet of his that I'm after!!!

Still after that racquet, are ya? :eek:

ChuDat
02-16-2009, 02:25 PM
Next contest... I'll listen to... and consider arguments for/against prior to naming a winner :-D
when will that be? haha

Bud
02-16-2009, 02:29 PM
when will that be? haha

When I find another stash of dead stock?? :-?

Lol... I may have one before that... it was fun and interesting. I held it primarily to make others aware of the Classic Racquets forum :)

:lol:

Captain Haddock
02-16-2009, 02:47 PM
Hey, it's the FIRST time in my life that I win any kind of contest or lottery, so please forgive my semantic vagueness in the use of the "Edge" label, and let me enjoy my reward :-). Since the frame was obviously a graphite/composite model, I assumed that I did not need to specify any further. It's not the Edgewood either.

jimbo333
02-16-2009, 02:51 PM
There's nothing wrong with the Edgewood mate:)

Second best wood/graphite racquet ever made after the Vector I would reckon!!

Deuce
02-16-2009, 08:51 PM
Hey, it's the FIRST time in my life that I win any kind of contest or lottery, so please forgive my semantic vagueness in the use of the "Edge" label, and let me enjoy my reward :-). Since the frame was obviously a graphite/composite model, I assumed that I did not need to specify any further. It's not the Edgewood either.
But what if that Charmie has a wooden handle underneath its grip?!

Princegod
02-16-2009, 09:45 PM
Bud were these rackets made in China? Just wondering.

Bud
02-16-2009, 09:54 PM
Bud were these rackets made in China? Just wondering.

They were made in Taiwan... further adding to the theory that they were produced during the mid to late 1980's

Bud
02-17-2009, 08:16 PM
I FINALLY got a chance to string each of the 4 types of frames with something other than their stock fare... and then hit with them.

Wow, these racquets are Sweeet! Having trouble understanding why the company went under.

Being a bit less headlight than their original counterparts... they are a baseline basher's dream. They have nice weight, ploughthrough and are comfortable on the arm. The Graphite Edge clone has a really nice solid yet flexible feel to it.

These frames will definitely make decent racquets for a youth tennis program somewhere.

Deuce
02-17-2009, 11:13 PM
I FINALLY got a chance to string each of the 4 types of frames with something other than their stock fare... and then hit with them.
I thought you had played with the Charmie before.
I thought that's why it was the only one without the tag and with an elastic dampener on it.

These frames will definitely make decent racquets for a youth tennis program somewhere.
^ Is that what you'll be doing with them?
If so, that'll be really good.

Bud
02-17-2009, 11:45 PM
I thought you had played with the Charmie before.
I thought that's why it was the only one without the tag and with an elastic dampener on it.


^ Is that what you'll be doing with them?
If so, that'll be really good.

I did... with the stock/factory 20+ year old string :wink:

Bud
02-17-2009, 11:47 PM
I thought you had played with the Charmie before.
I thought that's why it was the only one without the tag and with an elastic dampener on it.


^ Is that what you'll be doing with them?
If so, that'll be really good.

Yeah, probably keep 1-2 of each in grip 4 and 5, a couple of the Prince 90 clones in size 1/4 for my young niece and donate the rest to a tennis program.

Deuce
02-18-2009, 12:00 AM
Yeah, probably keep 1-2 of each in grip 4 and 5, a couple of the Prince 90 clones in size 1/4 for my young niece and donate the rest to a tennis program.
How many do you have?

Bud
02-18-2009, 12:20 AM
How many do you have?

50 or so... :)

meowmix
02-18-2009, 12:09 PM
Bud, will you consider selling any?

Bud
02-19-2009, 04:07 PM
Bud, will you consider selling any?

Perhaps, a few to those who have a clone fascination/fixation/collection... I imagine there are collectors out there who prize their cloned racquet collection 8-)

It is quite odd when you come across clones like these that are perfect imitations of the originals and finished off so meticulously. I wonder if the same shenanigans occurring now in China with 'pirated' frame molds were occurring in Taiwan back in the 1980's. I don't know how many racquet factories existed in Taiwan 20 years ago and for which companies (or models) they produced.

Were these 4 racquet models from Head, Wilson and Prince ever produced in Taiwan? Perhaps the company went under due to copyright infringement? All a mystery...:shock:

How easily can frames be cloned, this well, without access to the original molds?

I bet the grommets on these would even fit their original counterparts.

:)

Bud
02-19-2009, 04:35 PM
Bud, will you consider selling any?

BTW, sent you an email concerning your extra Badminton clamps... if you still have them :)

meowmix
02-19-2009, 05:35 PM
Bud, got your email. Which one(s) do you want? I have 3 light and 1 heavy. All of them work, I think. Two of the light ones are unused, but when I was first stringing, I used one light and one heavy badmitton clamp.

Bud
02-19-2009, 06:20 PM
Bud, got your email. Which one(s) do you want? I have 3 light and 1 heavy. All of them work, I think. Two of the light ones are unused, but when I was first stringing, I used one light and one heavy badmitton clamp.

Is the only difference the spring tension? Are they the same size and material?

meowmix
02-19-2009, 08:16 PM
There actually doesn't seem to be ANY difference, other than weight. It seems that spring tension is the same for all of them. About material, I have no idea. Would you like me to send you the heavy one and a light one?

Bud
02-23-2009, 05:22 AM
Well... had a chance to chat with the sellers of these frames again, yesterday and I mentioned that I was fascinated with the quality of the racquets and the fact they so closely mimicked the originals by Head, Wilson and Prince.

They stated that the company who manufactured these for ProHand back in the 1980's in Taiwan also manufactured racquets for other large companies like Head, Wilson and perhaps Prince around the same time period.

Does anyone know which Taiwanese frame manufacturer produced much of the racquet supply in the mid to late 1980's? <---

Kirko
02-23-2009, 05:26 AM
Well... had a chance to chat with the sellers of these frames again, yesterday and I mentioned that I was fascinated with the quality of the racquets and the fact they so closely mimicked the originals by Head, Wilson and Prince.

They stated that the company who manufactured these for ProHand back in the 1980's in Taiwan also manufactured racquets for other large companies like Head, Wilson and perhaps Prince around the same time period.

Does anyone know which Taiwanese frame manufacturer produced much of the racquet supply in the mid to late 1980's? <---

pro kennex.

Bud
02-23-2009, 06:09 AM
pro kennex.

That's who I think manufactured these frames.

retrowagen
02-23-2009, 08:57 AM
pro kennex.

Or, more specifically, Kunnan Enterprises. Pro Kennex was the Kunnan "house brand."

jimbo333
02-23-2009, 09:11 AM
Yes, the clue was in the name:)

Bud
02-23-2009, 09:16 AM
Or, more specifically, Kunnan Enterprises. Pro Kennex was the Kunnan "house brand."

Yes, Kunnan!

Perhaps, if I cross reference Kunnan and ProHand I can find some more info.

:grin:

plasma
02-23-2009, 09:56 AM
was it the first one I missed???

Bud
02-23-2009, 10:29 AM
was it the first one I missed???

Let me look up your answers again.

No, however, the only person to point out the Sting was the original version minus the PWS was Fabrice. The original graphite Sting was produced with PWS and with NO PWS.

jimbo333
02-23-2009, 05:50 PM
Yes, the clue was in the name:)

You have to Hand it to ProKennex that it wasn't exactly an original name was it? How long did it take them to think of that:):)

plasma
02-23-2009, 10:17 PM
is the silver ace an 85? what other racquet brands/ models did that factory produce?

retrowagen
02-23-2009, 10:41 PM
is the silver ace an 85? what other racquet brands/ models did that factory produce?

They made most of the Prince rackets from circa 1983 until the Benetton era, the Wimbledon line of tennis rackets, the Sentra brand (which recycled the Pro Kennex molds quite obviously) and numerous others. For several years, they were most definitely the most prolific racket factory in the world.

And IIRC, the original Silver Ace was roughly 84 sq-in.

plasma
02-23-2009, 10:48 PM
I knew it looked a sckoche smaller than the ps 85!!!! must have one!!!!!!! were any other aces 84?

Bud
02-24-2009, 03:58 AM
I knew it looked a sckoche smaller than the ps 85!!!! must have one!!!!!!! were any other aces 84?

The Ceramic Ace was the same mold as the Silver Ace. It was primarily white.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SYpoDtVSBII/AAAAAAAAGUw/Yq1YSnW7xbY/s800/P1040625.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SYpnIYAMtvI/AAAAAAAAGSY/dY--XDuoajM/s800/P1040616.JPG

plasma
02-24-2009, 04:01 AM
and the copper ace?

Bud
02-24-2009, 04:02 AM
and the copper ace?

Different mold. Think it was a 88-90 sq. in.

plasma
02-24-2009, 04:10 AM
looked similar to the graphite pro mold

jimbo333
02-24-2009, 05:23 AM
The Ceramic Ace was the same mold as the Silver Ace. It was primarily white.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SYpoDtVSBII/AAAAAAAAGUw/Yq1YSnW7xbY/s800/P1040625.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RLIYzXhfZQ0/SYpnIYAMtvI/AAAAAAAAGSY/dY--XDuoajM/s800/P1040616.JPG

Hey, love this racquet;)

Bud
02-24-2009, 05:44 AM
Hey, love this racquet;)

:lol::lol::lol:

Have you had a chance to hit with it yet, Jimbo?

It's very nice on the arm.

jimbo333
02-24-2009, 11:08 AM
Thursday's the day:)

I'm going to have 10 different racquets in my bag to try out (all classics obviously), so hope Alex my new hitting partner is going to be patient!!

plasma
02-27-2009, 01:12 AM
let's see some pics or get that list, pls. Top ten classics would include 200g, F200, R22, POG, Prestige, PS 85, gtx Pro , puma winner, jack Kramer wood, Borg Pro, etc... I would only bring out one or two at a time. Take time to savor them...gtx's are the only ones which are difficult to adjust to as L works for some and some players can only use LM...puma winner, R22, and ps 85 play like any modern racquet (but much much better). 200g's do not allow the arm or wrist to move independent of the body and encourage perfect classical form...list and pics pls!!!

Bud
02-27-2009, 06:55 AM
:lol::lol:

Have you had a chance to hit with it yet, Jimbo?

It's very nice on the arm.

Thursday's the day:)

I'm going to have 10 different racquets in my bag to try out (all classics obviously), so hope Alex my new hitting partner is going to be patient!!

let's see some pics or get that list, pls. Top ten classics would include 200g, F200, R22, POG, Prestige, PS 85, gtx Pro , puma winner, jack Kramer wood, Borg Pro, etc... I would only bring out one or two at a time. Take time to savor them...gtx's are the only ones which are difficult to adjust to as L works for some and some players can only use LM...puma winner, R22, and ps 85 play like any modern racquet (but much much better). 200g's do not allow the arm or wrist to move independent of the body and encourage perfect classical form...list and pics pls!!!

Yeah, playing too many classic racquets back to back can give you a tummy ache! :razz:

jimbo333
02-27-2009, 06:01 PM
Nope, but did give me 2 huge nasty blisters on my hand and my arm hurts:( However that had more to do with playing on and off for 5 hours, rather than the classic racquets!!!

Over here in the UK, tennis has basically been dying for years, its an absolute crying shame:( No investment has ever been made in courts, school coaching etc. There are hardly any indoor courts, and those which are "available" are ridiculously expensive, around my way $35(in your money) an hour!! So playing in the winter is rare, what with waiting for good weather and balancing work, family, friends etc. Anyway tried to take advantage yesterday and got a bit carried away!!

Anyway I won't attempt to give a breakdown of how my racquets played, but what I would say was that it was amazing how different thay all were. I had in my bag my normal Dunlop 300i x2, and a PK Ceramic Ace, Wilson Matrix, Yonex R22, Kneissl White Star Pro, Kneissl Spark 35, Prestige Tour600, another new Prestige660 and a Fischer Eliptic Comp. Although didn't use the R22 or PT600 as soon realised they needed restringing.

It was amazing how much more difficult it was to control the larger sized headed racquets (Spark, newer Prestige and Eliptic), they had more power but I found more diffcult to play,admittedly didn't really give them much of a chance, but all good fun:)

Enjoyed the Ceramic Ace and the White Star the most, the sound from the White Star was amazing, sort of like a musical instrument. I played best though with my Dunlops not too suprisingly. Will be sticking to them at the moment:)

plasma
02-27-2009, 09:04 PM
that's the most honest review I've read in a decade. Maybe if raq companies stop kissing ***** to the general hacker public they would realize that players are neglected, and that players racquets are needed for those who are serious about the game.

Bud
02-28-2009, 03:05 PM
Nope, but did give me 2 huge nasty blisters on my hand and my arm hurts:( However that had more to do with playing on and off for 5 hours, rather than the classic racquets!!!

Over here in the UK, tennis has basically been dying for years, its an absolute crying shame No investment has ever been made in courts, school coaching etc. There are hardly any indoor courts, and those which are "available" are ridiculously expensive, around my way $35(in your money) an hour!! So playing in the winter is rare, what with waiting for good weather and balancing work, family, friends etc. Anyway tried to take advantage yesterday and got a bit carried away!!

Anyway I won't attempt to give a breakdown of how my racquets played, but what I would say was that it was amazing how different thay all were. I had in my bag my normal Dunlop 300i x2, and a PK Ceramic Ace, Wilson Matrix, Yonex R22, Kneissl White Star Pro, Kneissl Spark 35, Prestige Tour600, another new Prestige660 and a Fischer Eliptic Comp. Although didn't use the R22 or PT600 as soon realised they needed restringing.

It was amazing how much more difficult it was to control the larger sized headed racquets (Spark, newer Prestige and Eliptic), they had more power but I found more diffcult to play,admittedly didn't really give them much of a chance, but all good fun:)

Enjoyed the Ceramic Ace and the White Star the most, the sound from the White Star was amazing, sort of like a musical instrument. I played best though with my Dunlops not too suprisingly. Will be sticking to them at the moment:)

Wow, didn't realize that the UK was lacking in tennis courts :cry:

Here in the states (especially California)... they are everywhere!

jimbo333
03-01-2009, 05:48 PM
Well I'm seriously thinking of moving there then:)

The UK is rubbish now, no jobs, crap weather and worst of all, yes hardly any tennis courts!!!

I'm seriously thinking of moving to California and bringing all my 1000's of vinyl LP's and classic racquets, and opening some sort of vintage music/tennis shop:):)

Bud
03-01-2009, 06:19 PM
Well I'm seriously thinking of moving there then:)

The UK is rubbish now, no jobs, crap weather and worst of all, yes hardly any tennis courts!!!

I'm seriously thinking of moving to California and bringing all my 1000's of vinyl LP's and classic racquets, and opening some sort of vintage music/tennis shop:):)

Hmmm... now, that would be an interesting combo!

Anywhere in CA south of San Luis Obispo has very nice weather... and to go a bit further... LA south to San Diego has the very best weather!

BTW, have you transferred any of your vintage vinyl to CD or DVD? If so, which turntable/software did you use to accomplish that? <---

plasma
03-03-2009, 01:27 AM
we need another test to keep the colony sharp.

jimbo333
03-03-2009, 03:28 AM
Hmmm... now, that would be an interesting combo!

Anywhere in CA south of San Luis Obispo has very nice weather... and to go a bit further... LA south to San Diego has the very best weather!

BTW, have you transferred any of your vintage vinyl to CD or DVD? If so, which turntable/software did you use to accomplish that? <---

No, I havn't got time to transfer the vinyl to CD. In fact I don't need to anyway really, as I like sticking the vinyl on the decks a few times a week, as I'm one of those who prefers the sound of vinyl:)

And, I also have 1000's of CD's as well, as have been working in a record shop for years:):)

jimbo333
03-03-2009, 03:30 AM
we need another test to keep the colony sharp.

Going to be testing some more classics next week, will report back then:)

Bud
03-06-2009, 12:46 AM
No, I havn't got time to transfer the vinyl to CD. In fact I don't need to anyway really, as I like sticking the vinyl on the decks a few times a week, as I'm one of those who prefers the sound of vinyl:)

And, I also have 1000's of CD's as well, as have been working in a record shop for years:):)

You like all that hissing and popping... :twisted:

Vinyl is nostalgic.

Bud
03-06-2009, 12:46 AM
Going to be testing some more classics next week, will report back then:)

Awesome! :)

plasma
03-10-2009, 11:07 PM
speaking of tests, the time has come for another challenging stage!
http://i44.tinypic.com/ekkvmb.jpg

Bud
03-11-2009, 05:36 PM
speaking of tests, the time has come for another challenging stage!
http://i44.tinypic.com/ekkvmb.jpg

Man I used to love Galaxians and Galaga!

http://www.play.vg/games/59-Galaxians.html

Bud
03-11-2009, 05:53 PM
http://www.smiliegames.com/galaga/

jimbo333
03-11-2009, 06:57 PM
I always really liked Defender:)

meowmix
03-12-2009, 02:45 PM
Sorry to jack the thread, but Bud, have you received the clamps yet? I'm getting worried my friend was lying to me...

plasma
03-12-2009, 03:38 PM
I'm double Jacking this thread, Bud, thanks for the inspiration to CAP. I'm a $5 microgel prestige mid CAP grommet fool!!!:
http://i40.tinypic.com/o58g44.jpg
Meowmix, I once knew this really freaky girl who was into clamps too; weird stuff, shouldn't you guys be discussing this elsewhere though?, highly inappropriate... Melissa, if you're out there, I'm sorry, you're not a deviant, I didn't mean to judge you, call me...

Bud
03-12-2009, 08:11 PM
I'm double Jacking this thread, Bud, thanks for the inspiration to CAP. I'm a $5 microgel prestige mid CAP grommet fool!!!:
http://i40.tinypic.com/o58g44.jpg
Meowmix, I once knew this really freaky girl who was into clamps too; weird stuff, shouldn't you guys be discussing this elsewhere though?, highly inappropriate... Melissa, if you're out there, I'm sorry, you're not a deviant, I didn't mean to judge you, call me...

Did you install the grommets yourself, Plaz?

Bud
03-12-2009, 08:11 PM
Sorry to jack the thread, but Bud, have you received the clamps yet? I'm getting worried my friend was lying to me...

Hi Meow,

They may have arrived today. My neighbor called me a bit ago... and usually that means a delivery. I'll let you know.

:)

Update: Nope... they still haven't arrived... it was just a racquet.

plasma
03-15-2009, 10:40 AM
I went to a Pro tournament (to see Sampras in person...awesome!), and met a bunch of current and former pros as well as speed stringing champion....he charges less than half what Plasma pays at the store, makes housecalls!; and does CAP's and other custom tech stuff which the stores won't touch... can't wait to finally try out my 89.5's!

Bud
03-15-2009, 09:09 PM
I went to a Pro tournament (to see Sampras in person...awesome!), and met a bunch of current and former pros as well as speed stringing champion....he charges less than half what Plasma pays at the store, makes housecalls!; and does CAP's and other custom tech stuff which the stores won't touch... can't wait to finally try out my 89.5's!

Just work out the upper body a bit to handle the additional weight :lol:

plasma
03-16-2009, 04:36 PM
I'm used to extra CAP weight, I play with my 9/10 austrian prestige pro regularly, it's a super trooper!

Bud
03-31-2009, 09:57 PM
Hi Meow,

They may have arrived today. My neighbor called me a bit ago... and usually that means a delivery. I'll let you know.

:)

Update: Nope... they still haven't arrived... it was just a racquet.

Finally got them!!

I'm going to try them with my X-2 to see if they slip with natural gut strung at about 50# or so.

The springs in those clamps are pretty stiff!

plasma
03-31-2009, 10:12 PM
although I have owned several national champions in the ring with my deadly chicken palm, I had to take a standing 8 count with the graphite pro. Even at 57 (my weight) it's too strong and hits too stiff for the plaz!!! shame as it hits at least as good as my ps 85!!!

Bud
03-31-2009, 10:20 PM
although I have owned several national champions in the ring with my deadly chicken palm, I had to take a standing 8 count with the graphite pro. Even at 57 (my weight) it's too strong and hits too stiff for the plaz!!! shame as it hits at least as good as my ps 85!!!

The GP is a comfortable and flexy racquet, too! :)

... much more so then the PS85, IMO.

plasma
04-01-2009, 01:15 AM
that's the thing, she had comfort, flex, performance, everything, I just sensed after about ten minutes or so that the nirvanna realm was too good to be true and that the top of my forearm was about to be sacrificed to a shimmering multicolored Americaustrian green godess, weilding an upside down 89.5 marked"firm flex". I quickly envisioned my shimmering 7.0 85 for grounding and to leave this hell realm.The green graph pro is a great racquet, plays very similar to the prestige pro. Prestige pro had a tiny bit more dampening, but they both beat the hell out several classical sacred texts as far as being sublime tools for astral travel and
a satisfying liberated subjective refreshed non-dogmatic interpretation of this Machiavellian coil...
http://i43.tinypic.com/214p5ys.jpg
and you though they we're just tennis racquets...

jimbo333
04-01-2009, 03:39 AM
I really didn't know above racquet existed!!!

Just thought 95 was issued, thought 85 was PRO only frame:)

Bud
04-01-2009, 07:39 AM
that's the thing, she had comfort, flex, performance, everything, I just sensed after about ten minutes or so that the nirvanna realm was too good to be true and that the top of my forearm was about to be sacrificed to a shimmering multicolored Americaustrian green godess, weilding an upside down 89.5 marked"firm flex". I quickly envisioned my shimmering 7.0 85 for grounding and to leave this hell realm.The green graph pro is a great racquet, plays very similar to the prestige pro. Prestige pro had a tiny bit more dampening, but they both beat the hell out several classical sacred texts as far as being sublime tools for astral travel and
a satisfying liberated subjective refreshed non-dogmatic interpretation of this Machiavellian coil...
http://i43.tinypic.com/214p5ys.jpg
and you though they we're just tennis racquets...

I've not seen one of those either. I used to have the 95 sq. in. version.

Are those Teflon grommets? :lol:

plasma
04-01-2009, 08:33 AM
the grommets look like they are made of yogurt-milk. When Steffi arrived I nearly had a heart attack. Not only was the case autographed by the teutonic forehand queen herself; the head looked considerably smaller than my ps 85...sure enough, it's more of an 83.7 or 84 than 85. I'd love to get the other prostaffs in this mold....true love

proracketeer
04-01-2009, 10:30 AM
I'd love to get the other prostaffs in this mold....

I'd love to get the other prostaffs in this mold.

plasma
04-01-2009, 12:21 PM
an 85 6.1 would be heavenly, guess they only made a micro batch...????

Bud
04-01-2009, 12:41 PM
I'd love to get the other prostaffs in this mold.

Me too!

I'll take the other prostaffs in that mold... then strip them and repaint them :twisted:

The colors on that scream chick-stick!

MethodTennis
04-16-2009, 02:54 PM
Prince Graphite Pro 90
Head Graphite Edge
Wilson Sting Midsize
Wilson Pro Staff Midsize

plasma
04-16-2009, 04:45 PM
the quiz is over, we've been begging bud for another one but to no avail...

Bud
04-17-2009, 01:57 AM
the quiz is over, we've been begging bud for another one but to no avail...

How about... name them in reverse order! :p

plasma
04-17-2009, 10:36 AM
http://i42.tinypic.com/1567mo5.jpg
c'mon Bud, she said she's leaving again unless there another popular and exciting quiz on the classic racquet forum, don't do this to me, I'll only be left with Serena!!!

Bud
05-09-2009, 02:07 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/1567mo5.jpg
c'mon Bud, she said she's leaving again unless there another popular and exciting quiz on the classic racquet forum, don't do this to me, I'll only be left with Serena!!!

She ain't looking this good these days :)

I'll see if I have any more tennis goodies left in the grab bag... :wink:

Bud
10-05-2009, 03:21 AM
Going to start looking around SoCal... to donate these frames to some youth tennis program in need of equipment.

If anyone has any suggestions, let me know :grin:

tennis005
03-10-2010, 07:42 PM
How many of those ProHand frames did you buy out of curiosity.

Virginia
03-10-2010, 07:59 PM
Lots. And then he sold a largish number to someone. And then that someone sold five of them to me. And two of them to schu47. We are well pleased, aren't we, schu? :)

tennis005
03-10-2010, 09:00 PM
How many of those things were produced? Anyway, they make a nice addition to a collection.

Bud
03-10-2010, 09:57 PM
How many of those ProHand frames did you buy out of curiosity.

Lots. And then he sold a largish number to someone. And then that someone sold five of them to me. And two of them to schu47. We are well pleased, aren't we, schu? :)

How many of those things were produced? Anyway, they make a nice addition to a collection.

Sold around 40... They are high-quality racquets. Just got tired of moving them from one location in the apartment to another :)

Trying to cure my racquet addiction :neutral:

I'm happy a few made it into the hands of serious collectors :)

tennis005
03-10-2010, 09:59 PM
So you got them all at what? 1 dollar a frame?

Bud
03-10-2010, 10:04 PM
So you got them all at what? 1 dollar a frame?

No, paid more than that for them... sold them for what I paid.

I had initially purchased them to test out different strings/string combos.

pshulam
03-11-2010, 04:33 AM
Trying to cure my racquet addiction :neutral:

How are you doing on this effort? Is your inventory shrinking?

schu47
03-11-2010, 05:04 AM
I got two of them, Bud -- both of them Captain 50s, the Sting clone. That was my favorite racquet in the 80s and into the 90s, and I still play it once in a while. So I liked the idea of getting a couple of replicas to go along with my "real" Stings.

I contacted the seller directly to buy them, but now he's got a lot of 27 up for bids on the big auction site. That's a boatload of racquets for anyone who wants to snatch them up. You can find the listing if you search out tennis racquets and type in Prohan.

My Sting clones aren't strung as of yet, so I can't tell you how they compare with the original. But I'm looking forward to trying them. I did notice that they are graphite and fiberglass, whereas the original Stings were all graphite.

Bud, it's great that you found them and shared them with others. You're a good citizen. And as you say, Virginia, I'm pleased to have a couple.

tennis005
03-11-2010, 07:05 AM
Looks pretty cool, I might snatch them up if my wallet let's me. They look like very good quality rackets.

borg number one
03-11-2010, 07:39 AM
Bud, that's a very interesting acquisition of assets you've made. Good for you. As for those racquet "clones", here are my guesses:

Frame 1: Head Graphite Edge Mid-Size (far left)
Frame 2: Wilson Pro Staff (second to left)
Frame 3: Wilson Sting Mid-Size (second to right)
Frame 4: Wilson Ultra (far right)


Yet, I just noticed that the contest was closed way back when..LOL..my bad, anyway..very interesting. Thanks for this thread.

borg number one
03-11-2010, 07:41 AM
Bud, your idea to donate those extra frames is a SPLENDID one. They are going to change life for many young people hopefully.