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adiwadi
02-19-2009, 11:57 AM
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25079802-3162,00.html

I would love to hear the courting and negotiations between player and coach; if they have talked. I've heard Federer really had to work at convincing Tony Roche to help him. Could the same be happening, or did that boat already sail?

yellowoctopus
02-19-2009, 12:12 PM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21059855-23216,00.html

This article, written by Cahill in 2007, indicates what Cahill thinks of Federer and his potential to go from ordinary to extraordinary. There is a lot of ground for this rumor if Cahill's opinion still holds today.

ESP#1
02-19-2009, 12:15 PM
I think Cahill would love to take the job of coaching Federer, I think he could help him alot also lets see if it happens, such a collaboration would be great for tennis

Oui, c'est moi.
02-19-2009, 12:17 PM
Hearing about this has already got me excited.
But it's just speculation for now.

Also, knowing Roger's history with coaches...maybe i shouldn't be too excited...

icedevil0289
02-19-2009, 12:30 PM
I hope this works out and if it does, roger has to be willing to listen and not be so stubborn.

dh003i
02-19-2009, 02:10 PM
Cahill is a great coach, and this is great news. This is exactly what Roger needs, someone who can give him honest feedback, tell him what he is doing wrong, or littles slips that creep into his game, etc. And he can just focus on playing tennis, executing, and doing things on the court.

I'm sure his game in general can be improved with the help of a guy like Cahill...but even advice as simple as, "don't play passively on break-points" would have been enough to win him the AO.

vtmike
02-19-2009, 02:12 PM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,21059855-23216,00.html

This article, written by Cahill in 2007, indicates what Cahill thinks of Federer and his potential to go from ordinary to extraordinary. There is a lot of ground for this rumor if Cahill's opinion still holds today.

wow thats a good one! and I esp liked Andre's statement after his match against Fed in 2002,
Minutes after the match, disappointed and soaked in sweat, Andre muttered these words with his head down in the locker-room: "This kid is a genius. He's going to change our game."

icedevil0289
02-19-2009, 02:15 PM
wow thats a good one! and I esp liked Andre's statement after his match against Fed in 2002,
Minutes after the match, disappointed and soaked in sweat, Andre muttered these words with his head down in the locker-room: "This kid is a genius. He's going to change our game."

I always loved andre.

breadstick
02-19-2009, 02:20 PM
Can't wait to find out if this is true.

Great article by Cahill too.

thejoe
02-19-2009, 02:27 PM
I'd love for this to be true.

DoubleDeuce
02-19-2009, 02:41 PM
One thing I like about Cahill is that he keeps quiet when it comes to the press and doesnt try to steal the show. Keeps focus on his clinet.

hoosierbr
02-19-2009, 08:18 PM
I'd be surprised if it's more than speculation. How many times have we heard this one anyway?

The main reason why DC hasn't signed up to coach another player is that he doesn't want to travel. He moved his family from Australia to Las Vegas when he was with Andre and they're still there and have made it their home. He has young kids in school and I just don't think he wants to make that kind of week in, week out commitment.

Besides, great a mind as Cahill is, I really think Roger has hit his peak in terms of what he can do. The younger guys he inspired to work harder and improve are starting to catch up to him now.

saram
02-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Wasn't Cahill working with Verdasco today? That would be kinda odd to coach to players--wouldn't it?

Another thread had Cahill, Andre and Gil working with Nando today.

DMan
02-19-2009, 09:04 PM
I think it is wild speculation at this point., that Cahill would coach Federer.

nn
02-19-2009, 09:20 PM
we all know what he has done to Verdasco in short time..

even Sam Querrey train with gil in off season shows results

orangettecoleman
02-19-2009, 09:42 PM
Fed will hire Cahill and then dump him after a couple of months once he loses a match he shouldn't have. Fed's not really the coachable type. He just does his thing, win or lose.

drake
02-19-2009, 10:06 PM
This is not so much up to Cahill or even Federer, this is Mirka's call. As the manager, she's the one who will endlessly have Cahill by her side during matches, lunches, dinner on the plane, so on and so on. I don't see it happening.

angharad
02-20-2009, 02:02 PM
The main reason why DC hasn't signed up to coach another player is that he doesn't want to travel. He moved his family from Australia to Las Vegas when he was with Andre and they're still there and have made it their home. He has young kids in school and I just don't think he wants to make that kind of week in, week out commitment.


He gave an interview awhile back - maybe Spring 2008 - where he said that he'd rather do what he's doing now than have his choice of coaching any of the active players. He's also said that Roger didn't have enough money to hire him as a coach, although any bad blood between them may have passed.

Emelia21
02-20-2009, 03:58 PM
I hope this works out and if it does, roger has to be willing to listen and not be so stubborn.

But will he? he come across as very stubborn to me :mrgreen:

icedevil0289
02-20-2009, 04:01 PM
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But will he? he come across as very stubborn to me :mrgreen:

yeah, I know, which is why I said he needs to stop being stubborn. I feel like roger could have had so many more slams if he wasn't so stubborn and admitted that perhaps he can do something to improve or there has to be a better way to beat nadal or something.

Emelia21
02-20-2009, 04:09 PM
yeah, I know, which is why I said he needs to stop being stubborn. I feel like roger could have had so many more slams if he wasn't so stubborn and admitted that perhaps he can do something to improve or there has to be a better way to beat nadal or something.

He needs to get to a final where Nadal is not in IMO, thats his biggest problem, and he needs to overcome his fear of Nadal, a fighter who doesn't give up and who believes in himself and is not in "awe" of Roger or is sacred and nervous in his first GS Finals, something Nadal is not! :oops:

icedevil0289
02-20-2009, 04:22 PM
He needs to get to a final where Nadal is not in IMO, thats his biggest problem, and he needs to overcome his fear of Nadal, a fighter who doesn't give up and who believes in himself and is not in "awe" of Roger or is sacred and nervous in his first GS Finals, something Nadal is not! :oops:

how roger overcome his fear of nadal if he never faces him?

Emelia21
02-20-2009, 04:35 PM
how roger overcome his fear of nadal if he never faces him?

Come again? :confused:

You mean if Roger never faces Nadal again in a GS Final?? which at this point he's hoping for more than ever, after all he said "it's killing me" the last time they played and Rafa won and another time they played that upset Roger, ie Hawke eye upset Roger :shock: and he said it's Killing me" :shock: but Rafa didn't win, but it was yet again Rafa

Well he's OK then

I take it you think he will NEVER face Nadal again :confused:

icedevil0289
02-20-2009, 04:39 PM
Come again? :confused:

You mean if Roger never faces Nadal again in a GS Final?? which at this point he's hoping for more than ever, after all he said "it's killing me" the last time they played and Rafa won and another time they played that upset Roger, ie Hawke eye upset Roger :shock: and he said it's Killing me" :shock: but Rafa didn't win, but it was yet again Rafa

Well he's OK then

I take it you think he will NEVER face Nadal again :confused:

your post said that federer needs to get to a final that nadal is not in and then it said something about how federer needs to get over his fear of nadal,which is why I made my comment. I do think nadal and fed will meet again and if fed doesn't over come his mental block, its not going to look pretty for him.

Tennisguy777
02-20-2009, 04:55 PM
Federer is to cheap and proud to hire a coach!

Nadal_Freak
02-20-2009, 05:10 PM
your post said that federer needs to get to a final that nadal is not in and then it said something about how federer needs to get over his fear of nadal,which is why I made my comment. I do think nadal and fed will meet again and if fed doesn't over come his mental block, its not going to look pretty for him.
Mental block? Who is the number 1? There is definitely more to it then a mental block. It's a physical thing to.

icedevil0289
02-20-2009, 05:12 PM
Mental block? Who is the number 1? There is definitely more to it then a mental block. It's a physical thing to.

nadal is obviously number 1 and rightly so, but I don't get what that has to do with a mental block. I do agree that it is is more than just a mental block, but fed working on that mental block he has whenever he faces nadal is the first step.

zagor
02-20-2009, 05:22 PM
Mental block? Who is the number 1? There is definitely more to it then a mental block. It's a physical thing to.

IMO Fed has a kinda of a mental block against Nadal during a last year or so but that has everything to do with Nadal's game being a great player and a bad match-up for Fed so that's not taking credit away from Nadal.

icedevil0289
02-20-2009, 05:24 PM
IMO Fed has a kinda of a mental block against Nadal during a last year or so but that has everything to do with Nadal's game being a great player and a bad match-up for Fed so that's not taking credit away from Nadal.

oh sorry, I didn't mean to take anything away from nadal, but I think even nadal fans will agree that fed does have some sort of mental block when he faces nadal.

ruerooo
02-20-2009, 05:36 PM
oh sorry, I didn't mean to take anything away from nadal, but I think even nadal fans will agree that fed does have some sort of mental block when he faces nadal.

I'd argue that that's something that builds up over time with someone whose game you can't seem to get around.

I was watching a clip the other evening of them in RG 2005, and you could tell that Roger was getting more and more frustrated because no matter what he threw at Rafa, Rafa got it back to him, and you could tell how unused to that Roger was -- with those crazy angles of his, he's accustomed to putting shots where his opponents can't get to them, especially back then when practically no one else could ever beat him.

So, yes. If you're still dealing with that four years later - because you're not willing to adjust your own game, because it still beats pretty much everyone else, and also because the other player keeps improving his game - if you're not Rafa, with some zen way of only focusing on the point/game/match in front of you, any reasonable player would build up some sort of mental block against that kind of opposition over time, I'd think.

mental midget
02-20-2009, 06:45 PM
here's why i'm sure hiring cahill would be a great idea for federer-

i can think of few announcements federer could make that would be more likely to make uncle tony say, "this might not be good for us."

Nadal_Freak
02-20-2009, 08:04 PM
IMO Fed has a kinda of a mental block against Nadal during a last year or so but that has everything to do with Nadal's game being a great player and a bad match-up for Fed so that's not taking credit away from Nadal.
Fed's mental block is Nadal is the better player. End of story.

stoneagle
02-20-2009, 08:14 PM
fed and cahill will never solve rafa,only in their dreams.
fed,s only hope is when rafa gets disabled.

127mph
02-20-2009, 09:23 PM
fed must approach him, but non of this advisor consulting stuff, full time coach!! lets get ourselves number 14 in Paris!

TheNatural
02-20-2009, 10:40 PM
Fed needs to dish out the dollars if he wants Cahill.

P_Agony
02-21-2009, 01:05 AM
Mental block? Who is the number 1? There is definitely more to it then a mental block. It's a physical thing to.

While it's true Nadal is a very upgraded player these days, if Fed didn't have the mental block against him, he'd probably win the AO, plus he'd have a chance to win some of the 2008 titles he lost, like Hamburg, where he clearly choked away the first set. He'd also be able to perform better in the Wimbeldon final, as he choked away the 2nd set. This does not gurantee him any wins, but I think at least Hamburg and the AO would have been his.

illkhiboy
02-21-2009, 01:24 AM
While it's true Nadal is a very upgraded player these days, if Fed didn't have the mental block against him, he'd probably win the AO, plus he'd have a chance to win some of the 2008 titles he lost, like Hamburg, where he clearly choked away the first set. He'd also be able to perform better in the Wimbeldon final, as he choked away the 2nd set. This does not gurantee him any wins, but I think at least Hamburg and the AO would have been his.

Yeah Hamburg was a disaster. He folded in the 5th set at AO but it was his tactical blunders and Nadal's resolve that denied him breakpoints in the 3rd.

pound cat
02-21-2009, 02:09 AM
Cahill , or any coach, might get satisfaction in coaching a promising young player, but coaching Roger (can't teach an old dog new tricks) Federer or in repairing the game of any older player? I don't think so.

miyagi
02-21-2009, 02:15 AM
here's why i'm sure hiring cahill would be a great idea for federer-

i can think of few announcements federer could make that would be more likely to make uncle tony say, "this might not be good for us."

Such as what?

To be honest I dont think Toni and Rafa worry too much about what Fed is doing...plus Rafa is constantly improving yet we still see his regress back into his old HC game sometimes for example..... so no matter who coaches Fed at this stage I think it will be hard to see drastic improvements before the end of the season......

Even if we see them before then I dont think it will be enough to beat Rafa as when the pressure is on he will cave in mentally...

zagor
02-21-2009, 02:35 AM
Fed's mental block is Nadal is the better player. End of story.

Obviously that Nadal is the better player now,one just needs to look at the rankings.As I said whether Fed has a mental block against Nadal has everything to do with Nadal's game.

sureshs
02-21-2009, 11:49 AM
I don't think hiring Cahill will help Federer defeat Nadal. But it will keep him focused and help him defeat everyone else.

TennisViewer
02-21-2009, 06:49 PM
Federer's still the man! It's really hard to hate both Nadal and Federer since they're the most likable guys in the circuit!

Tennis Viewer (http://www.**********.net)

federerdomination
02-21-2009, 07:08 PM
Federer's still the man! It's really hard to hate both Nadal and Federer since they're the most likable guys in the circuit!

Tennis Viewer (http://www.**********.net)

what's with ur link

saram
02-21-2009, 09:41 PM
Federer's still the man! It's really hard to hate both Nadal and Federer since they're the most likable guys in the circuit!

Tennis Viewer (http://www.**********.net)

Yeah, why keep throwing that link everywhere? Here for profit?

tennis_hand
02-21-2009, 09:43 PM
Anyone thinks Federer will skip Indian wells and Miami, and go to clay from now on?