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fastdunn
02-23-2009, 05:06 PM
It looks like there's a chance for the oldest top 10 player, Davydenko, to drop out of top 10 in 2 months or so.

He has something like 1800+ points to defend in next 2 months. And very young top 10 or ex-top 10 players have virtually no points( or low points) to defend.

Del Potro - poised to become #5 in a few months.
Simon, Verdasco, Monfils and Tsonga - relatively low points to defend.

If Davydenko drops out of top 10, Federer, only 2 month younger than Davydenko, becomes the oldest and only player older than 26. Very very young top 10.

federerdomination
02-23-2009, 05:07 PM
Yeah and not playing at the AO certainly didn't help

[d]ragon
02-23-2009, 05:10 PM
How long has Davy been up there? Seems like a while.

fastdunn
02-23-2009, 05:17 PM
Well, Davydenko lost only about 300 points from AO 2009. It's the 1800+ points to defend in march and April.

Davydenko has been in top 10 since june of 2005.

rubberduckies
02-23-2009, 05:37 PM
Del Potro has yet to do anything in Masters Series events and has yet to prove that he can play against the top 3/4. Simon and Tsonga have proven that they can beat those players. I will be skeptical of Del Potro's abilities until he shows that he can compete for Masters Series level events.

More than half of Del Potro's points come from events outside the Majors and the MS.
Less than 1/3 of Simon's, and Roddick's points come from tournaments of that level.
Less than 1/4 of Davydenko's points come from tournaments of that level.
The others in the top 8 have gained their points in the big tournaments against the strongest fields.

egn
02-23-2009, 05:56 PM
Keep Davy in the top, I think he stays there Davy plays good consistently at IW and Miami and I can see him making two quarters and maybe a semi if he gets back on his game..the year end masters and his sf in paris give him enough I think to stay top 10 most of the year as long as he can put up decent results in the IW, Miami and 2 of the 3 clay courts..a run in a slam again would also be good. Bet on French..DAVYDENKO TO WIN FRENCH OPEN..lol I would hate to see Del Potro move up more and more..he does not impress me. Del Potro runs into anyone with talent and just dies. Lets hope Tsogna and Simon can keep it up and boot Del Potro out...also cut Verdasco...his little AO run is about all he is good for. If I want a young top 10 I want good guys give me Cilic over Del Potro.

MajinX
02-23-2009, 06:03 PM
If Davydenko drops out of top 10, Federer, only 2 month younger than Davydenko, becomes the oldest and only player older than 26. Very very young top 10.

isnt roddick older than 26.. i think hes turning 27 this year so whenever his bday is...

and imo davydenko wont drop out of the top ten, sure he might not defend 1800 points but hes not gonna lose them all, even if he loses half of those points hes still in the top 10, dropping 900 points right now would make him 8th i think. And del potro doesnt seem to be doing so well lately so unless he plays better at wells and miami he wont take number 5, esp since roddick has almost no points to defend himself at indian wells, and if those two meet at a QF, i would give the edge to roddick since hes made it much further in every tourney this year so far.

saram
02-23-2009, 06:35 PM
Davydenko has been a constant in the top ten for a few years. He is not going anywhere before the end of the year. Maybe a bold prediction, but it is what I believe.

ESP#1
02-23-2009, 06:40 PM
Denko just seems like too solid to drop out of the top ten this year, he might drop for a few weeks but i think hell finish the year top ten for sure

fastdunn
02-24-2009, 10:37 AM
Note that all of Del Potro, Simon, Tsonga, Verdasco started to excel in the 2nd half of 2008. They were either injured or not doing well in the 1st half.

Davydenko will face tough competitions from these youngsters in the 1st half of this year, in terms of ranking.

Cl1ntrock
02-24-2009, 10:54 AM
spoke to him..has some injurie on his foot..he will be back..no worrie..

Moose Malloy
02-24-2009, 11:47 AM
It looks like there's a chance for the oldest top 10 player, Davydenko, to drop out of top 10 in 2 months or so.

He has something like 1800+ points to defend in next 2 months. And very young top 10 or ex-top 10 players have virtually no points( or low points) to defend.

Del Potro - poised to become #5 in a few months.
Simon, Verdasco, Monfils and Tsonga - relatively low points to defend

Simon, Verdasco, & Monfils are currently in the top 10(& Tsonga is 11)
how can they 'push' Davydenko out of the top 10, if they are already there?

It seems like you've been predicting Davydenko to drop out of the top 10 "soon" for the last 2 years. I doubt he's going anywhere, unless you think Blake, Ferrer, Nalbandian, & Robredo(the guys ranked 12-15) are on the verge of a great spring or something. History shows Davydenko to be much more consistent than any of those guys.

Davydenko will face tough competitions from these youngsters in the 1st half of this year, in terms of ranking.

Verdasco is 25, certainly not young by pro tennis standards(& he has no injury excuses like Tsonga) He just had one great event, it remains to be seen whether he can really turn around the pattern of his career(which not many have done at 25)

And Simon is 24(again, not that young)

Davydenko is 27, so I don't really get your emphasis on age in this thread, these guys really don't have some huge edge in that department over him.

If Davydenko drops out of top 10, Federer, only 2 month younger than Davydenko, becomes the oldest and only player older than 26. Very very young top 10.

Nadal 22
Federer 27
Djokovic 21
Murray 21
Davydenko 27
Roddick 26
Del Potro 20
Simon 24
Verdasco 25
Monfils 22
average age of these 10 is 23.5(Tsonga is 23). I think the average age for a top 10 player for the last 20 years is around 23-24, so this isn't something unusual at all (I believe 1992/93 had the youngest top 10 of the open era - Sampras, Agassi, Chang, Bruguera, Courier, Goran, Medvedev, Krajicek, Stich were all 22 or under and were in the top 10 at the same time)

thalivest
02-24-2009, 11:48 AM
Davydenko gets dumped on constantly on these forums but he has been an extremely solid player for a number of years now and I dont think he is just going to be kicked out of the top 10 easily. I think that is wishful thinking more than anything else.

fastdunn
02-24-2009, 01:47 PM
OK. Moose. my bad. "very very young" to me. Replace that with "younger" players.

OK. Davydenko out of at least top 5 this year, then. With a possibility of local bottom around in April then...

thalivest
02-24-2009, 01:50 PM
Davydenko still has every chance to be back in the top 5 by years end. He is still one of the best and most consistent hard court and clay court players in the World. A level below the big 4 on hard courts, but still as good and more consistent than pretty much everyone else. It is only his health that will likely take him out of the top 10 early in the year.

By the way Roddick is roughly in the same age group as both Federer and Davydenko and he is the one set to take Davydenko's place in the top 5 for the time being.

Hops
02-24-2009, 01:56 PM
http://www.tennis28.com/charts/TopTenAges.GIF


the youngest top ten in the past 25 years (since June 84):

April 29, 1991 avg 22y 7m 29d


Edberg, Stefan 25y 3m 10d
Becker, Boris 23y 5m 7d
Lendl, Ivan 31y 1m 22d
Agassi, Andre 21y 0m 0d
Forget, Guy 26y 3m 25d
Sampras, Pete 19y 8m 17d
Ivanisevic, Goran 19y 7m 16d
Bruguera, Sergi 20y 3m 13d
Courier, Jim 20y 8m 12d
Chang, Michael 19y 2m 7d

Moose Malloy
02-24-2009, 02:58 PM
^long time no see Hops, thanks for posting

do you know if nadal has passed sampras' career high in atp points yet(adjusted)?

Hops
02-24-2009, 04:13 PM
^long time no see Hops, thanks for posting

do you know if nadal has passed sampras' career high in atp points yet(adjusted)?


definitely. haven't done the precise calcs but Nadal at YE 2008 was at 6675 and AO puts him @ 6675-450+1000 = 7225. Sampras topped out around 6800 in mid-1994.

Beasty54
02-24-2009, 08:28 PM
Davydenko has been a constant in the top ten for a few years. He is not going anywhere before the end of the year. Maybe a bold prediction, but it is what I believe.

I agree. If he can get form during the clay season he'll be fine. And maybe win a match at Wimbledon.

maverick66
02-24-2009, 08:31 PM
whats his injury?

fastdunn
02-25-2009, 06:23 PM
http://www.tennis28.com/charts/TopTenAges.GIF


the youngest top ten in the past 25 years (since June 84):

April 29, 1991 avg 22y 7m 29d


Edberg, Stefan 25y 3m 10d
Becker, Boris 23y 5m 7d
Lendl, Ivan 31y 1m 22d
Agassi, Andre 21y 0m 0d
Forget, Guy 26y 3m 25d
Sampras, Pete 19y 8m 17d
Ivanisevic, Goran 19y 7m 16d
Bruguera, Sergi 20y 3m 13d
Courier, Jim 20y 8m 12d
Chang, Michael 19y 2m 7d

Thanks for this info.
It looks like average age of top 10 has been relatively older roughly between year 2000-2007...