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marc45
02-23-2009, 09:16 PM
been away a couple of days...can't believe nobody titled a thread about this....found it on tennis.com ticker (i'll try to get the dubai paper link)...fed told a dubai paper

"I'm only going to play when i'm 100 percent fit, whereas last year i played many matches where i wasn't feeling great. That's going to make a big difference for me, both now and for the following years."


sounds like his schedule will be trimmed further www.tennis.com
click on "ticker" on the left side and scroll down to fed item .... still searching for the paper, that's all i have

edmondsm
02-23-2009, 09:23 PM
Well, thanks for the link. Now brace yourself for the barage of "arrogant Federer excuse" posts.

veroniquem
02-23-2009, 09:34 PM
Well, we'll see what difference it makes. In 2009 so far he played 2 tournaments and he lost both of them. I assume he was at 100% since that's his new condition for playing, right?

TennisandMusic
02-23-2009, 09:44 PM
That's...an interesting statement. Not sure what to make of it.

LanceStern
02-23-2009, 09:45 PM
I think that's a smart thing for Federer to do.

The competition is getting tougher and hungrier. It would not be smart for him to try and best these younguns at less than 100% (especially Djokovic or Murray, and definitely Nadal).

Plus it's good for his longetivity. He'll be able to play longer if he doesn't play at less than 100%. It'll be proper recovery time for his body rather than trying to bang it up at 85%

edmondsm
02-23-2009, 09:46 PM
Well, we'll see what difference it makes. In 2009 so far he played 2 tournaments and he lost both of them. I assume he was at 100% since that's his new condition for playing, right?

Not necessarily. You don't skip a slam because your back aches a little bit when you get out of bed in the morning. Maybe he felt fine on the court, but at his age you need to start really listening to your body. If you're RF and your back still aches every now and then, it is better to take time off and do physical therapy then just jump back into the fray and play small tournaments.

iriraz
02-23-2009, 09:59 PM
Probably he will play at 100% fit only in smaller tourneys but slams and masters i doubt he will skip them even if he is not in the best of shape.

shadows
02-23-2009, 10:56 PM
This decision sounds like it's taken with an eye towards longevity, if Roger wants to keep playing professionally for many years yet he's got to be considering the state of his body and how he can carefully manage it to get the most out of it.

zagor
02-23-2009, 11:31 PM
That's...an interesting statement. Not sure what to make of it.

Translation,I'm old(in tennis terms)and will have to pick the spots when to give my best as I can't give 100% at each tourney given the fact that I'll turn 28 this year.In short he'll try to do what Sampras did succesfully his whole career,focus on the big ones.

Atleast that's how I understood it.

Cesc Fabregas
02-23-2009, 11:46 PM
Federer in making exuses for his loses shock.

tahiti
02-23-2009, 11:56 PM
Fed as far as I'm concerned hasn't got anything left to prove. To only play when he's fit, well I presume he's only going to go for Grand Slams for the big points. Sure it's wise. But missing out on match practice won't fix what he wants I think.

TennisandMusic
02-24-2009, 12:12 AM
Translation,I'm old(in tennis terms)and will have to pick the spots when to give my best as I can't give 100% at each tourney given the fact that I'll turn 28 this year.In short he'll try to do what Sampras did succesfully his whole career,focus on the big ones.

Atleast that's how I understood it.

Well that's pretty depressing considering the fact I'm 28. :-P

I was just referring to his motivation for saying something like that, that's all.

mandy01
02-24-2009, 12:52 AM
Well, we'll see what difference it makes. In 2009 so far he played 2 tournaments and he lost both of them. I assume he was at 100% since that's his new condition for playing, right?
difference as in difference of apporach.Thats how I read it atleast.

DecoTurf
02-24-2009, 01:12 AM
Translation,I'm old(in tennis terms)and will have to pick the spots when to give my best as I can't give 100% at each tourney given the fact that I'll turn 28 this year.In short he'll try to do what Sampras did succesfully his whole career,focus on the big ones.

Atleast that's how I understood it.


I agree. Although many people think Federer does not have anything to prove, he definitely wants to get the all time slams record and to a lesser extent, the no.1 ranking back.

Nadal_Freak
02-24-2009, 02:24 AM
Another excuse from Fed. He is on a roll so far this year.

mawashi
02-24-2009, 02:53 AM
What's wrong with that? A punishing schedule that breaks down virtually every pro isn't something a pro looking for longevity would support.

I say good that he does it... Hope Nadal adopts it too.

mawashi

Sentinel
02-24-2009, 02:59 AM
Without details, it probably means he will resume competition when 100% fit from his back.

There's no excuse there. And not much to read into either.

vtmike
02-24-2009, 03:25 AM
Well, we'll see what difference it makes. In 2009 so far he played 2 tournaments and he lost both of them. I assume he was at 100% since that's his new condition for playing, right?

Just because he was at a 100% doesn't mean he HAS to win the tournament... :roll:

vtmike
02-24-2009, 03:33 AM
Another excuse from Fed. He is on a roll so far this year.

Not surprised you say that...Don't really expect anything else from you...what exactly is the excuse here?? did he say he lost the AO final because of his back??
Infact Nadal is the one who has made several excuses after his loses to Murray!

caulcano
02-24-2009, 03:41 AM
Probably he will play at 100% fit only in smaller tourneys but slams and masters i doubt he will skip them even if he is not in the best of shape.

Federer will probably miss a few masters as well. A big 2 fingers-up to the ATP organisers may not be a bad thing.

P_Agony
02-24-2009, 04:11 AM
Not surprised you say that...Don't really expect anything else from you...what exactly is the excuse here?? did he say he lost the AO final because of his back??
Infact Nadal is the one who has made several excuses after his loses to Murray!

Nadal is letting the injury timeouts and quitings make all the excuses.

Nuke
02-24-2009, 04:47 AM
How can Federer know far in advance what weeks he will be 100%? Does this mean he will enter the tournaments, but drop out at the last minute when he's not feeling up to snuff?

bluetrain4
02-24-2009, 06:32 AM
For players who are getting older (in terms of tennis) I think focusing on a smaller number of tournaments is smart. I'd rather have top players playing good tennis for larger number of years, than having them play packed schedules over a shorter number of years.

Granted, he didn't really need to include "like I did last year" in reference to not playing when he was 100%, since that comment can be interpreted (or misinterpreted) as an excuse.

miyagi
02-24-2009, 07:14 AM
Wow you lot a pathetic as soon as one mentions Fed you then have to insult Nadal as soon as the other mention Nadal you have to insult Fed.....

Bunch of over hormonal women you should be ashamed.....

It's Fed career who cares if he only plays when he feels he's 100%!!! Maybe he feels this is how he can give his best?

Turning Pro
02-24-2009, 07:17 AM
Fed was 100% v 75-85% Nadal at the Aus Open and STILL LOST.

sureshs
02-24-2009, 07:28 AM
Fed was 100% v 75-85% Nadal at the Aus Open and STILL LOST.

No, since by definition he is never 100% when he loses - he is still recovering from a bad back from late last year :-)

tangerine
02-24-2009, 07:41 AM
Fed To Only Play At 100%

Good luck to him with that. After several years of playing competitive tennis at the highest level I don't think his 27 year old body will ever really truly feel 100% again.

Topaz
02-24-2009, 08:20 AM
Another excuse from Fed. He is on a roll so far this year.

Gosh, seriously...you're like clockwork now.

Nadal would be smart to also adopt such a schedule. If he did, maybe he wouldn't burn out at the end of the season like he has done EVERY SINGLE YEAR SO FAR.

Fed was 100% v 75-85% Nadal at the Aus Open and STILL LOST.

And, where are the links to prove those stats?

edmondsm
02-24-2009, 08:45 AM
Good luck to him with that. After several years of playing competitive tennis at the highest level I don't think his 27 year old body will ever really truly feel 100% again.

Which is why it's smart that he is going to (or sounds like he's going to) really limit his schedule. He's made it through the meat of his career, got 13 slams, it's all gravy from here on out IMO.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 08:59 AM
Wow you lot a pathetic as soon as one mentions Fed you then have to insult Nadal as soon as the other mention Nadal you have to insult Fed.....

Bunch of over hormonal women you should be ashamed.....

It's Fed career who cares if he only plays when he feels he's 100%!!! Maybe he feels this is how he can give his best?
Sorry but the statement itself sounds silly. It seems to imply that last year he lost tournaments because he wasn't playing at 100% in them. And there are some tournaments (at least slams) that you just HAVE TO play even if you feel 90% or 80%. Does he mean he won't play RG or Wimbledon if he doesn't feel 100% at that time? I doubt it. All players have to play sometimes while not being at 100%, it's just life on the tour, everybody has to deal with that fact, that's why even the best players have poor performances sometimes, that is not something that can realistically be avoided. Federer already plays (relatively) few tournaments compared to other players (about 18 vs 20+ for most players), I don't think he can afford playing even less if he wants to remain competitive at the top. Plus does that mean that he's announcing ahead of time that when he plays, he will be in top form and so one can expect him to do extremely well in every single tournament he enters from now on? Way to put unnecessary pressure on one's shoulders! Why would one want to do that to oneself? Unreasonable IMO.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 09:17 AM
difference as in difference of apporach.Thats how I read it atleast.
Bad approach from a realistic point of view. If Federer starts playing fewer tournaments than what he's been doing (about 18 a year), he 's gonna drop in the rankings and how much of an advantage will it be for him to maybe have to play his nemesis (Nadal) before the final? Plus he'll have twice as much pressure to do well in the fewer tournaments he enters, not a good idea when one is already showing difficulties handling that pressure. If that's the only plan Federer has for a successful long career, I'm afraid it's bad news for his fans... Hopefully it's just something he said without thinking too much about it as he definitely wants to stay #2 as long as possible (and I think he could if he plays a normal schedule).

mandy01
02-24-2009, 10:07 AM
Bad approach from a realistic point of view. If Federer starts playing fewer tournaments than what he's been doing (about 18 a year), he 's gonna drop in the rankings and how much of an advantage will it be for him to maybe have to play his nemesis (Nadal) before the final? Plus he'll have twice as much pressure to do well in the fewer tournaments he enters, not a good idea when one is already showing difficulties handling that pressure. If that's the only plan Federer has for a successful long career, I'm afraid it's bad news for his fans... Hopefully it's just something he said without thinking too much about it as he definitely wants to stay #2 as long as possible (and I think he could if he plays a normal schedule).Oh come on...you're taking it too far.Its not like he's playing only slams.His implication was clear-he just wants ot stay healthy for as long as possible.And if its possible to skip a tournament for his health's sake,then why not? He's skipping tourneys that arent costing him much.

fps
02-24-2009, 10:09 AM
all that stuff about playing into his mid-thirties and competing for years to come was always gonna be bravado once he started to feel his age a bit. hell i'm 24 and i play 2 days in a row on hard courts and it doesn't feel *that* great.

jackson vile
02-24-2009, 10:09 AM
Good for Roger, he is getting smarter. Hopefully he changes his lifestyle further.

fastdunn
02-24-2009, 11:00 AM
Translation,I'm old(in tennis terms)and will have to pick the spots when to give my best as I can't give 100% at each tourney given the fact that I'll turn 28 this year.In short he'll try to do what Sampras did succesfully his whole career,focus on the big ones.

Atleast that's how I understood it.

me too. in fact, he successfully paced himself from 2006-2007 when he started to put more weights on slams. his plan unfortunately derailed a bit with mild form of mono in 2008. it is still slight set back since he made finals of last 4 slams! therefore, i think there is no reasons why he stops his plan to keep adjusting his schedules...

Nadal_Freak
02-24-2009, 12:23 PM
Gosh, seriously...you're like clockwork now.

Nadal would be smart to also adopt such a schedule. If he did, maybe he wouldn't burn out at the end of the season like he has done EVERY SINGLE YEAR SO FAR.



And, where are the links to prove those stats?
You don't see the arrogance and excuse making in Fed's comments? He is saying he lost many times last year because he was not 100%. Another example of not giving the opponent credit. You *******s just won't admit this was an arrogant thing to say.

edberg505
02-24-2009, 01:14 PM
You don't see the arrogance and excuse making in Fed's comments? He is saying he lost many times last year because he was not 100%. Another example of not giving the opponent credit. You *******s just won't admit this was an arrogant thing to say.

I bet if someone were to take a poll here and try to find out who the most annoying person on this board is; you would be the overwhelming winner. No one would even come close. Well, I guess if you have to be the best at something...

Nadal_Freak
02-24-2009, 01:15 PM
I bet if someone were to take a poll here and try to find out who the most annoying person on this board is; you would be the overwhelming winner. No one would even come close. Well, I guess if you have to be the best at something...
You are totally changing the topic. This topic is about Federer's arrogance in saying he lost because he wasn't 100% bs. Please stay on topic.

edberg505
02-24-2009, 01:24 PM
You are totally changing the topic. This topic is about Federer's arrogance in saying he lost because he wasn't 100% bs. Please stay on topic.

I would stay on the topic if you would too. Because the quote clearly didn't say that he lost all his matches because he wasn't 100 percent. That's some crap you spout out about Nadal. You are just trying to get people all riled up like you always do. Nothing new here I guess. Carry on, it's what you do best.

Nadal_Freak
02-24-2009, 01:29 PM
I would stay on the topic if you would too. Because the quote clearly didn't say that he lost all his matches because he wasn't 100 percent. That's some crap you spout out about Nadal. You are just trying to get people all riled up like you always do. Nothing new here I guess. Carry on, it's what you do best.
..."whereas last year i played many matches where i wasn't feeling great. That's going to make a big difference for me, both now and for the following years." - Federer

He didn't say all matches but many matches definitely says something about how he wants to think is still on top. All he has to do is play less according to him. :rolleyes: I think he'll be disappointed that is not all he has to do.

edberg505
02-24-2009, 01:33 PM
..."whereas last year i played many matches where i wasn't feeling great. That's going to make a big difference for me, both now and for the following years." - Federer

He didn't say all matches but many matches definitely says something about how he wants to think is still on top. All he has to do is play less according to him. :rolleyes: I think he'll be disappointed that is not all he has to do.

Ah, I see so only Nadal can play when he isn't 100 percent, but when Federer claims that he does it he's a liar? LOL

miyagi
02-24-2009, 01:47 PM
Sorry but the statement itself sounds silly. It seems to imply that last year he lost tournaments because he wasn't playing at 100% in them. And there are some tournaments (at least slams) that you just HAVE TO play even if you feel 90% or 80%. Does he mean he won't play RG or Wimbledon if he doesn't feel 100% at that time? I doubt it. All players have to play sometimes while not being at 100%, it's just life on the tour, everybody has to deal with that fact, that's why even the best players have poor performances sometimes, that is not something that can realistically be avoided. Federer already plays (relatively) few tournaments compared to other players (about 18 vs 20+ for most players), I don't think he can afford playing even less if he wants to remain competitive at the top. Plus does that mean that he's announcing ahead of time that when he plays, he will be in top form and so one can expect him to do extremely well in every single tournament he enters from now on? Way to put unnecessary pressure on one's shoulders! Why would one want to do that to oneself? Unreasonable IMO.

I'm afraid what is silly is every single opportunity you and Nadal Freak taking HUGE pride in jumping on Fed's back like you are somehow helping Nadal...

Here's a thought maybe he wasn't being literal....perhaps he excluded the slams when he was saying that....to be honest who the hell cares....Fed has managed to stay at the top without your advice this far so I doubt he somehow now needs you!

I'm by no means a Fed fan but this is just rediculous....just showing how childish you are....

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 02:50 PM
Ah, I see so only Nadal can play when he isn't 100 percent, but when Federer claims that he does it he's a liar? LOL
First Nadal is younger and is more eager to constantly improve than Federer (Nadal doesn't think of himself as the God of tennis), which means he'll be more likely to win matches when he's not 100%. Second, AFAIK Nadal has never said anything about only playing at 100%, I don't think that's a realistic possibility on the pro tour.

Serve_Ace
02-24-2009, 02:52 PM
Nadal doesn't think he's the god of tennis, but you fan sure make him sound like one!

THERAFA
02-24-2009, 02:56 PM
federer didn't look 100% in the us open last year in some matches but i'm sure he's glad he played :mrgreen:

koalakoala
02-24-2009, 03:03 PM
It does not give too much information here. I only hope his back is not a serious and lingering problem.

IMHO, tt is really wise for Federer to focus on Grand Slams now. Ranking should not be his priority anymore when he grows older. Focusing on wining as many GS as possible before retiring is top priority.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 03:05 PM
I'm afraid what is silly is every single opportunity you and Nadal Freak taking HUGE pride in jumping on Fed's back like you are somehow helping Nadal...

Here's a thought maybe he wasn't being literal....perhaps he excluded the slams when he was saying that....to be honest who the hell cares....Fed has managed to stay at the top without your advice this far so I doubt he somehow now needs you!

I'm by no means a Fed fan but this is just rediculous....just showing how childish you are....
Wow for a non-Federer fan, you're certainly getting on your high horse here! Every top player is being scrutinized here, when Nadal made a comment about too many hard court tournaments he was torn to pieces on this board as people interpreted that wish in all kinds of negative ways and I'm fine with it as long as I can participate in the debate. That's what the board is for: discussing everything related to tennis players.
Federer may have been on top for a long time but he's not anymore, he lost his #1 spot. I find it normal that people want to give advice or think about things that would help him along for his career (coach, psy, game changes or whatever), I also find it normal when people do it in the form of criticism (like what he should avoid doing when playing Nadal). Of course Federer will never read this board, we're all aware of that. It doesn't mean we should never discuss it between us. To me it's a fun thing to do, it's not like I expect to influence Federer or any other player with it, it's for my own pleasure of arguing about it with other people who share my interests.

koalakoala
02-24-2009, 03:07 PM
First Nadal is younger and is more eager to constantly improve than Federer (Nadal doesn't think of himself as the God of tennis), which means he'll be more likely to win matches when he's not 100%. Second, AFAIK Nadal has never said anything about only playing at 100%, I don't think that's a realistic possibility on the pro tour.

Federer and Nadal are one generation apart and hence at different stages of their careers. They have different goals. Is this so difficult to comprehend?

THERAFA
02-24-2009, 03:13 PM
Federer and Nadal are one generation apart and hence at different stages of their careers. They have different goals. Is this so difficult to comprehend?

interesting sentence because people keep saying rafa nadal needs a lighter schedule not federer and some say rafa nadal will get injured and stop winning slams and even retire soon lol lmao :mrgreen:

miyagi
02-24-2009, 03:28 PM
Wow for a non-Federer fan, you're certainly getting on your high horse here! Every top player is being scrutinized here, when Nadal made a comment about too many hard court tournaments he was torn to pieces on this board as people interpreted that wish in all kinds of negative ways and I'm fine with it as long as I can participate in the debate. That's what the board is for: discussing everything related to tennis players.
Federer may have been on top for a long time but he's not anymore, he lost his #1 spot. I find it normal that people want to give advice or think about things that would help him along for his career (coach, psy, game changes or whatever), I also find it normal when people do it in the form of criticism (like what he should avoid doing when playing Nadal). Of course Federer will never read this board, we're all aware of that. It doesn't mean we should never discuss it between us. To me it's a fun thing to do, it's not like I expect to influence Federer or any other player with it, it's for my own pleasure of arguing about it with other people who share my interests.

I'm a Nadal fan!

I've highlighted the important bit in all what you have said....you seem to like the sound of your own voice way too much as far as I'm concerned.

Yes he's no longer #1 but if you think what you are doing is classified as giving advice I think that is laughable because lets be honest who is listening to you dribble on?

I don't mind criticising someone if it is called for however you are just being an *** for the sake of it yet you think there is some kind of nobility in doing so!

The problem with people like you is some other idiot ****s off Nadal and you think that is a green light for you to go ahead and do the same to Fed....As if you are the great defender of Nadal. Then we can't discuss anything because it becomes a flaming war in about 5 posts

Just grow up and have a sensible unbiased debate and perhaps you may be taken a little more seriously however at the moment every single comment that flows from you mouth is either A) Guaranteed to worship Nadal or B) Degrade Fed.

Fed is far from my favourite player not even in my top ten but BS like this has got to stop!

bolo
02-24-2009, 03:39 PM
Some new info. on the ticker with respect to federer:

It's interesting that he had possibly a month(?) off after the year end tournament and he is feeling the effects of playing on two tour tournaments. This looks to be new territory for the guy.

koalakoala
02-24-2009, 03:47 PM
interesting sentence because people keep saying rafa nadal needs a lighter schedule not federer and some say rafa nadal will get injured and stop winning slams and even retire soon lol lmao :mrgreen:

Nadal needs a lighter schedule in the sense that he needs to even out his shedules. Otherwise he will keep on burning out before US open.

However, Nadal's dominance is so much on clay that his schedule tends to be overloaded on clay.

Basically, Nadal is facing a dilemma: he wants to defend his point after a successful year at the same time he needs to be careful of breaking down.

Nadal, while complaining about too much hard courts, forced himself to enter so many hard court competitions early in the year. IMHO, this is his take to strengthen his hard court skills so that he can even out his schedule in future. He knows what he is doing.

Federer in his prime could even out his schedule better since he was dominant on grass/hard court. He can afford to compete less now as he has less points to defend and ranking number one is not overly important for him anymore.

bolo
02-24-2009, 03:48 PM
It does not give too much information here. I only hope his back is not a serious and lingering problem.

IMHO, tt is really wise for Federer to focus on Grand Slams now. Ranking should not be his priority anymore when he grows older. Focusing on wining as many GS as possible before retiring is top priority.

maybe. But I doubt he wants to play nadal in the semis. Nadal will still have matches like the one against verdasco in the next couple of years on hard courts. Federer will want to reap the benefits of that if possible.

But in a couple of years when he is a bit older he might want to take on nadal in the semis as opposed to in the finals of the U.S. open. Nadal on the back end of back to back playing days might not be fun at that point.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 03:48 PM
Federer and Nadal are one generation apart and hence at different stages of their careers. They have different goals. Is this so difficult to comprehend?
No, that's why I started my post by saying Nadal was younger... It definitely makes a difference. However, Federer is not that old. Everybody says he's healthier and plays a more "efficient" tennis then Nadal. In that case, he shouldn't have to pace himself before 29 or 30. But even if it was a good idea to skip some minor tournaments, I don't think you can avoid having to play at less than 100%. Within a tournament there are days when you feel less good than others and you can also hurt something during a match, it's not like being 100% is something entirely in your control at any given time.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 03:53 PM
I'm a Nadal fan!

I've highlighted the important bit in all what you have said....you seem to like the sound of your own voice way too much as far as I'm concerned.

Yes he's no longer #1 but if you think what you are doing is classified as giving advice I think that is laughable because lets be honest who is listening to you dribble on?

I don't mind criticising someone if it is called for however you are just being an *** for the sake of it yet you think there is some kind of nobility in doing so!

The problem with people like you is some other idiot ****s off Nadal and you think that is a green light for you to go ahead and do the same to Fed....As if you are the great defender of Nadal. Then we can't discuss anything because it becomes a flaming war in about 5 posts

Just grow up and have a sensible unbiased debate and perhaps you may be taken a little more seriously however at the moment every single comment that flows from you mouth is either A) Guaranteed to worship Nadal or B) Degrade Fed.

Fed is far from my favourite player not even in my top ten but BS like this has got to stop!
And how do you make the discussion progress by insulting me? I'm sorry but I didn't insult Federer, I presented arguments why the 100% business didn't make much sense to me. You are perfectly welcome to ignore my arguments or reject them, but I will continue to speak my mind and express my opinions about what the players say or do as I see fit with or without your permission.

Purostaff
02-24-2009, 03:55 PM
I'm with Fed on this one.. not playing 100% is just dumb and will hurt you in the long run.

THERAFA
02-24-2009, 03:55 PM
interesting sentence because people keep saying rafa nadal needs a lighter schedule not federer and some say rafa nadal will get injured and stop winning slams and even retire soon lol lmao :mrgreen:

i think those people will be shocked when federer retires young with back problems while rafa nadal wins slams at 30 :mrgreen:

TennisandMusic
02-24-2009, 03:57 PM
Nevermind...

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 04:01 PM
Nadal needs a lighter schedule in the sense that he needs to even out his shedules. Otherwise he will keep on burning out before US open.

However, Nadal's dominance is so much on clay that his schedule tends to be overloaded on clay.

Basically, Nadal is facing a dilemma: he wants to defend his point after a successful year at the same time he needs to be careful of breaking down.

Nadal, while complaining about too much hard courts, forced himself to enter so many hard court competitions early in the year. IMHO, this is his take to strengthen his hard court skills so that he can even out his schedule in future. He knows what he is doing.

Federer in his prime could even out his schedule better since he was dominant on grass/hard court. He can afford to compete less now as he has less points to defend and ranking number one is not overly important for him anymore.
Are you sure recovering #1 is not important to him? I'm pretty sure he said last year he wanted to get it back. This is also 1 area where he had a decent chance at breaking Sampras's record (number of weeks at #1).

Fay
02-24-2009, 04:05 PM
I think that's a smart thing for Federer to do.

The competition is getting tougher and hungrier. It would not be smart for him to try and best these younguns at less than 100% (especially Djokovic or Murray, and definitely Nadal).

Plus it's good for his longetivity. He'll be able to play longer if he doesn't play at less than 100%. It'll be proper recovery time for his body rather than trying to bang it up at 85%

Yuppers better to play longer for more years and less injuries and enjoy the game, than to play when not feeling up to it.

Bravo for him!

Tennis season too long :-(

Hot Sauce
02-24-2009, 04:07 PM
I can't see any amount of rest helping Federer beat Nadal. What he needs to do is to work hard to be mentally prepared.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 04:10 PM
i think those people will be shocked when federer retires young with back problems while rafa nadal wins slams at 30 :mrgreen:
Wouldn't that be massively ironic :)? I just think retirement age is something hard to predict, too many factors, too many things that can change really quickly. A few months ago people were talking about Federer playing at a very high level and with almost no wear and tear until 35 and older. Now he's only 27 and the conversation revolves around how he should pace himself. That goes to show one never knows in tennis.

koalakoala
02-24-2009, 04:10 PM
Are you sure recovering #1 is not important to him? I'm pretty sure he said last year he wanted to get it back. This is also 1 area where he had a decent chance at breaking Sampras's record (number of weeks at #1).

I can't say I am sure. I only express my opinions. But I think it is valid point that back to number 1 is not his goal at least this year especially after losing AO.

Bolo, Federer will do enough to maintain his second ranking this year.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 04:12 PM
I can't see any amount of rest helping Federer beat Nadal. What he needs to do is to work hard to be mentally prepared.
Absolutely, get a new coach for fresh angles on what he can do + improve his motivation and work on his fitness as much as he can.

Mkie7
02-24-2009, 04:32 PM
I can't see any amount of rest helping Federer beat Nadal. What he needs to do is to work hard to be mentally prepared.

and you would know that because?

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 04:37 PM
and you would know that because?
We're all assuming here, It's not like anybody knows anything for sure.

koalakoala
02-24-2009, 04:40 PM
I can't see any amount of rest helping Federer beat Nadal. What he needs to do is to work hard to be mentally prepared.

You can't totally separate mental toughness from physical fitness. I feel that Federer's frustrations sometimes come from the fact he can no longer pull off what he used to be so good at physically,e.g. first serve and forehand in AO.

As a Federer fan, I am not ashamed to admit that Federer has passed his prime. He needs to be extremely careful to pace himself so he can be in top form at important moments.

However, I do think fans of other players can be more objective and show more respect to this guy. Don't write him off. He is not mentally weak and he is not going away.

koalakoala
02-24-2009, 04:43 PM
We're all assuming here, It's not like anybody knows anything for sure.

I finally find something I can agree with you.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 04:47 PM
I finally find something I can agree with you.
Great, with a little luck there'll be more in the future!

edmondsm
02-24-2009, 05:44 PM
..."whereas last year i played many matches where i wasn't feeling great. That's going to make a big difference for me, both now and for the following years." - Federer

He didn't say all matches but many matches definitely says something about how he wants to think is still on top. All he has to do is play less according to him. :rolleyes: I think he'll be disappointed that is not all he has to do.

Wow, you just completely twist his words around. Where did he say, "that's all I have to do to stay on top"? Sounds to me like he's just trying to take care of himself. Unless you think he's lying, which I wouldn't put past you.

Tennis_Monk
02-24-2009, 06:22 PM
We're all assuming here, It's not like anybody knows anything for sure.

actually I do!!.

I know for sure i wont win a GrandSlam.

Mkie7
02-24-2009, 06:25 PM
You are totally changing the topic. This topic is about Federer's arrogance in saying he lost because he wasn't 100% bs. Please stay on topic.

huh !!! He said that? feel free to back it up.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 06:28 PM
actually I do!!.

I know for sure i wont win a GrandSlam.
But unless you're a pro player (are you :shock:?) that's pretty much a given, isn't it? :)

Mkie7
02-24-2009, 06:37 PM
I'm a Nadal fan!

I've highlighted the important bit in all what you have said....you seem to like the sound of your own voice way too much as far as I'm concerned.

Yes he's no longer #1 but if you think what you are doing is classified as giving advice I think that is laughable because lets be honest who is listening to you dribble on?

I don't mind criticising someone if it is called for however you are just being an *** for the sake of it yet you think there is some kind of nobility in doing so!

The problem with people like you is some other idiot ****s off Nadal and you think that is a green light for you to go ahead and do the same to Fed....As if you are the great defender of Nadal. Then we can't discuss anything because it becomes a flaming war in about 5 posts

Just grow up and have a sensible unbiased debate and perhaps you may be taken a little more seriously however at the moment every single comment that flows from you mouth is either A) Guaranteed to worship Nadal or B) Degrade Fed.

Fed is far from my favourite player not even in my top ten but BS like this has got to stop!

Me like.... :)

VivalaVida
02-24-2009, 06:40 PM
I'm a Nadal fan!

I've highlighted the important bit in all what you have said....you seem to like the sound of your own voice way too much as far as I'm concerned.

Yes he's no longer #1 but if you think what you are doing is classified as giving advice I think that is laughable because lets be honest who is listening to you dribble on?

I don't mind criticising someone if it is called for however you are just being an *** for the sake of it yet you think there is some kind of nobility in doing so!

The problem with people like you is some other idiot ****s off Nadal and you think that is a green light for you to go ahead and do the same to Fed....As if you are the great defender of Nadal. Then we can't discuss anything because it becomes a flaming war in about 5 posts

Just grow up and have a sensible unbiased debate and perhaps you may be taken a little more seriously however at the moment every single comment that flows from you mouth is either A) Guaranteed to worship Nadal or B) Degrade Fed.

Fed is far from my favourite player not even in my top ten but BS like this has got to stop!
This is an excellent post but as smart and objective of a poster you are, this kind of BS will never end. Its an ugly fact of TW forums.

DoubleDeuce
02-24-2009, 07:29 PM
Finally something that makes sense from a Nadal fan, miyagi, good for you. They do jump on every Fed thread like air they need to breath. ANything against Roger or for Nadal is " excellnt post". Their life is dedicated to TT and they wont miss a chance to come here and shoot from the hip.
Yes, BS will never stop but these have introduced new boundaries for crap.

icedevil0289
02-24-2009, 07:37 PM
Finally something that makes sense from a Nadal fan, miyagi, good for you. They do jump on every Fed thread like air they need to breath. ANything against Roger or for Nadal is " excellnt post". Their life is dedicated to TT and they wont miss a chance to come here and shoot from the hip.
Yes, BS will never stop but these have introduced new boundaries for crap.

it goes both ways really.

DoubleDeuce
02-24-2009, 07:45 PM
it goes both ways really.

Sure there is much from the other side also, but this couple take the gold and silver medal for nonsense.

rubberduckies
02-24-2009, 08:21 PM
it goes both ways really.

Yup. At least there are some Nadfans willing to call out *******ism. Still waiting for some Fedfans to call out their *****.

veroniquem
02-24-2009, 08:32 PM
Finally something that makes sense from a Nadal fan, miyagi, good for you. They do jump on every Fed thread like air they need to breath. ANything against Roger or for Nadal is " excellnt post". Their life is dedicated to TT and they wont miss a chance to come here and shoot from the hip.
Yes, BS will never stop but these have introduced new boundaries for crap.
My take on that is that a lot of Federer fans cannot bear to hear that Federer is not the "be all and end all" of tennis. Noone ever notices when I praise an aspect of Federer's game or an achievement of his but when I go after something I don't like ( and yes there is plenty I don't like about him), then all hell breaks loose. What did I say in this thread that was so offensive? I guess I will never know but I will still get called names for daring criticizing him. And yes I do prefer Nadal to Federer and I do think Nadal is a superior player, which is something I will get mocked for because a lot of people find that opinion shocking but it's mine and I'll take the risk to express it and if I'm wrong, too bad. But right now at 22, Nadal is definitely more awesome than Fed was. I also like Nadal's personality better and I'm not trying to hide it either. And no I'm neither gold nor silver in trolling, far from it. Even though my ideas might be controversial I have never called Federer a monkey or any animal name for that matter, I have never said his game sucked, was barbaric or a borefest, (I actually admire Federer's game even if I find Nadal's more exciting). I go after things I don't like in a straightforward way but I've never gone to the extremes that people have gone here to negate Nadal's talent.

miyagi
02-25-2009, 12:03 AM
I just think we should all find a way to get along and discuss things properly....it gets so old all this Nadal is better than Federer rubbish...

Granted he may be better at this stage in his career but I do think Nadal has alot to thank Fed for lets be honest some of their matches have been Epic Rome 2007, Miami 2005, F.O 2005, Wimbledon 2008, A.O 2009 (have I just subconsciously picked all the matches were Nadal won??) I'm sure I have missed some....without Fed us Nadal fans would certainly miss out, he has brought out the very best in Rafa.

Likewise I hope Fed can rise to the challenge and play better when they meet next...He is a great player too and no way can anyone tell me that they don't enjoy watching Fed....

I don't believe Fed thinks he is the "be all and end all" of tennis, I really can only remember him being a nice guy....Nicer than what I would be and definately nicer than what you guys would be if you were #1 just look at how you act when your favourite player who is totally unrelated to you is #1

Anyway I have said my 2cents....

koalakoala
02-25-2009, 12:14 AM
I just think we should all find a way to get along and discuss things properly....it gets so old all this Nadal is better than Federer rubbish...

Granted he may be better at this stage in his career but I do think Nadal has alot to thank Fed for lets be honest some of their matches have been Epic Rome 2007, Miami 2005, F.O 2005, Wimbledon 2008, A.O 2009 (have I just subconsciously picked all the matches were Nadal won??) I'm sure I have missed some....without Fed us Nadal fans would certainly miss out, he has brought out the very best in Rafa.

Likewise I hope Fed can rise to the challenge and play better when they meet next...He is a great player too and no way can anyone tell me that they don't enjoy watching Fed....

I don't believe Fed thinks he is the "be all and end all" of tennis, I really can only remember him being a nice guy....Nicer than what I would be and definately nicer than what you guys would be if you were #1 just look at how you act when your favourite player who is totally unrelated to you is #1

Anyway I have said my 2cents....

What you said is classy.

koalakoala
02-25-2009, 12:20 AM
veroniquem. If you have time, the following article is a nice read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federer-Nadal_rivalry

In the article, Jeff MacGregor of ESPN describes their rivalry:
Each is less without the other, though the other may destroy him. The legacy of one must now become the legacy of the other. Trapped, they define each other"

Hot Sauce
02-25-2009, 12:42 AM
and you would know that because?

Not a good start, New User.

tennis-hero
02-25-2009, 05:55 AM
I think the difference between Fed and Nadal fans is that Fed fans generally appreciate the tennis- not just the man

Roger could be the biggest jerk in the world, i wouldn't care, the finesse and tennis style he has created (i guess you could argue he almost brought back the good old days of real tennis, not baseline bashing) is what really makes you a fan of him

With Nadal you get the whole deal for a Nadal fan, they generally appreciate his humility, his looks, his almost shy quiet personality- and his winning game is a bonus- although his tennis style may not look as good (thats just my opinion) it is just as effective- if not more so in todays game

but its a great observation thats been made, without the other- they wouldn't be considered as great as they are.

if Fed won the FO, and Nadal hadn't existed, he'd probably have been criticized for playing in a weak era... if he wins the FO now, he will have won it against the best

With Nadal finally getting the HC slam (against Roger, no less) his own greatness has been brought forward... Rafa's a genuine potential GOAT himself, he's not just a great player in Fed's era- its now the Fed-Nadal era, and at this rate, 2008 - onwards will be only the Nadal era

THERAFA
02-25-2009, 06:38 AM
rafa nadal's greatness is unprecedented physicality whereas federer's greatness is recycled artistry from previous greats so less interesting :mrgreen:

veroniquem
02-25-2009, 06:42 AM
I just think we should all find a way to get along and discuss things properly....it gets so old all this Nadal is better than Federer rubbish...

Granted he may be better at this stage in his career but I do think Nadal has alot to thank Fed for lets be honest some of their matches have been Epic Rome 2007, Miami 2005, F.O 2005, Wimbledon 2008, A.O 2009 (have I just subconsciously picked all the matches were Nadal won??) I'm sure I have missed some....without Fed us Nadal fans would certainly miss out, he has brought out the very best in Rafa.

Likewise I hope Fed can rise to the challenge and play better when they meet next...He is a great player too and no way can anyone tell me that they don't enjoy watching Fed....

I don't believe Fed thinks he is the "be all and end all" of tennis, I really can only remember him being a nice guy....Nicer than what I would be and definately nicer than what you guys would be if you were #1 just look at how you act when your favourite player who is totally unrelated to you is #1

Anyway I have said my 2cents....
Of course Nadal owes a lot to Federer, I think Nadal himself is a big fan of Federer but let's not forget that the point of this thread is commenting on "playing at 100%" and my remark was that's not something you can always be in control of and that's not something you can always afford. It's an opinion (for all it's worth) and I don't know how it degenerated into a Federer/Nadal war. It was just a comment on one statement by Federer, no more no less.

THERAFA
02-25-2009, 06:44 AM
rafa nadal's greatness is unprecedented physicality whereas federer's greatness is recycled artistry from previous greats so less interesting :mrgreen:

and rafa nadal added the 20% more revolutions than anyone before him in history plus the dropshots on breakpoints which are unheard of at least on today's tour :mrgreen:

GameSampras
02-25-2009, 06:54 AM
been away a couple of days...can't believe nobody titled a thread about this....found it on tennis.com ticker (i'll try to get the dubai paper link)...fed told a dubai paper

"I'm only going to play when i'm 100 percent fit, whereas last year i played many matches where i wasn't feeling great. That's going to make a big difference for me, both now and for the following years."


sounds like his schedule will be trimmed further www.tennis.com
click on "ticker" on the left side and scroll down to fed item .... still searching for the paper, that's all i have


Fed's 100 percent will not be enough to defeat Nadal. Hes going to have to play 110 Percent and kick into that extra gear, keep his service percentage high and make few mistakes

veroniquem
02-25-2009, 06:55 AM
veroniquem. If you have time, the following article is a nice read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federer-Nadal_rivalry

In the article, Jeff MacGregor of ESPN describes their rivalry:
“ Each is less without the other, though the other may destroy him. The legacy of one must now become the legacy of the other. Trapped, they define each other"
Thank you. I always have time for tennis! One stat that I found amazing (from that article) is that Nadal leads 6-2 in both masters and slams, amazing that it's the same number and that it is so one sided. The other interesting stat is how they only met twice in master cup and these were the easiest matches for Federer to win against Nadal: I don't know if it's the surface (as Nadal beat Federer in other indoor like Dubai) or the fact that Nadal is never in great shape at the end of the year but master cup is the only place where Federer has been very dominant over Nadal. Finally a striking aspect of the rivalry is how often they've met, that is rather incredible I must say and makes it a very unique rivalry.

veroniquem
02-25-2009, 07:00 AM
rafa nadal's greatness is unprecedented physicality whereas federer's greatness is recycled artistry from previous greats so less interesting :mrgreen:
Nadal and Fed both have phenomenal skills. I see Nadal's (slight) superiority in athleticism and mental abilities. I believe that's the areas Nadal has an edge over Fed.

TheTruth
02-25-2009, 02:08 PM
My take on that is that a lot of Federer fans cannot bear to hear that Federer is not the "be all and end all" of tennis. Noone ever notices when I praise an aspect of Federer's game or an achievement of his but when I go after something I don't like ( and yes there is plenty I don't like about him), then all hell breaks loose. What did I say in this thread that was so offensive? I guess I will never know but I will still get called names for daring criticizing him. And yes I do prefer Nadal to Federer and I do think Nadal is a superior player, which is something I will get mocked for because a lot of people find that opinion shocking but it's mine and I'll take the risk to express it and if I'm wrong, too bad. But right now at 22, Nadal is definitely more awesome than Fed was. I also like Nadal's personality better and I'm not trying to hide it either. And no I'm neither gold nor silver in trolling, far from it. Even though my ideas might be controversial I have never called Federer a monkey or any animal name for that matter, I have never said his game sucked, was barbaric or a borefest, (I actually admire Federer's game even if I find Nadal's more exciting). I go after things I don't like in a straightforward way but I've never gone to the extremes that people have gone here to negate Nadal's talent.

And that is the absolute truth. Your posts make sense and are not derogatory. I like how you speak the truth. Seems not only Federer can give "straightforward, and honest answers." :)

Nadal_Freak
02-25-2009, 08:24 PM
With Nadal you get the whole deal for a Nadal fan, they generally appreciate his humility, his looks, his almost shy quiet personality- and his winning game is a bonus- although his tennis style may not look as good (thats just my opinion) it is just as effective- if not more so in todays game
Nadal's got the full package. I even like his style better. That extreme topspin is so unique compared to the usual forehand. His backhand can be a bullet at times as well.

TennisViewer
02-25-2009, 09:05 PM
Nadal and Federer are two players that one can't help but like... :)

Tennis Viewer (http://www.**********.net)

tennis_hand
02-26-2009, 06:24 AM
i am not surprised if he even skips indian wells and miami.
he does not have much to defend there.

probably he is already practicing some new tricks on clay now, citing back injury.

icedevil0289
02-26-2009, 06:29 AM
i am not surprised if he even skips indian wells and miami.
he does not have much to defend there.

probably he is already practicing some new tricks on clay now, citing back injury.

aren't master series mandatory?

edmondsm
02-26-2009, 08:16 AM
aren't master series mandatory?

You used to be able to skip two, no questions asked. Not sure if that's still the case. Roddick and Blake have been skipping Monte Carlo for their entire careers.

vtmike
02-26-2009, 08:45 AM
I just think we should all find a way to get along and discuss things properly....it gets so old all this Nadal is better than Federer rubbish...

Granted he may be better at this stage in his career but I do think Nadal has alot to thank Fed for lets be honest some of their matches have been Epic Rome 2007, Miami 2005, F.O 2005, Wimbledon 2008, A.O 2009 (have I just subconsciously picked all the matches were Nadal won??) I'm sure I have missed some....without Fed us Nadal fans would certainly miss out, he has brought out the very best in Rafa.

Likewise I hope Fed can rise to the challenge and play better when they meet next...He is a great player too and no way can anyone tell me that they don't enjoy watching Fed....

I don't believe Fed thinks he is the "be all and end all" of tennis, I really can only remember him being a nice guy....Nicer than what I would be and definately nicer than what you guys would be if you were #1 just look at how you act when your favourite player who is totally unrelated to you is #1

Anyway I have said my 2cents....

Very good post! you seem to be one of the very rare rational Nadal fans around...

veroniquem
02-26-2009, 12:34 PM
You used to be able to skip two, no questions asked. Not sure if that's still the case. Roddick and Blake have been skipping Monte Carlo for their entire careers.
Yes they are mandatory, except for Monte-Carlo which has a weird status, don't ask me why!

zagor
02-26-2009, 12:40 PM
I just think we should all find a way to get along and discuss things properly....it gets so old all this Nadal is better than Federer rubbish...

Granted he may be better at this stage in his career but I do think Nadal has alot to thank Fed for lets be honest some of their matches have been Epic Rome 2007, Miami 2005, F.O 2005, Wimbledon 2008, A.O 2009 (have I just subconsciously picked all the matches were Nadal won??) I'm sure I have missed some....without Fed us Nadal fans would certainly miss out, he has brought out the very best in Rafa.

Likewise I hope Fed can rise to the challenge and play better when they meet next...He is a great player too and no way can anyone tell me that they don't enjoy watching Fed....

I don't believe Fed thinks he is the "be all and end all" of tennis, I really can only remember him being a nice guy....Nicer than what I would be and definately nicer than what you guys would be if you were #1 just look at how you act when your favourite player who is totally unrelated to you is #1
Anyway I have said my 2cents....

Very nice post and the bolded part is especially true.

veroniquem
02-26-2009, 12:40 PM
I think the difference between Fed and Nadal fans is that Fed fans generally appreciate the tennis- not just the man

Roger could be the biggest jerk in the world, i wouldn't care, the finesse and tennis style he has created (i guess you could argue he almost brought back the good old days of real tennis, not baseline bashing) is what really makes you a fan of him

With Nadal you get the whole deal for a Nadal fan, they generally appreciate his humility, his looks, his almost shy quiet personality- and his winning game is a bonus- although his tennis style may not look as good (thats just my opinion) it is just as effective- if not more so in todays game

but its a great observation thats been made, without the other- they wouldn't be considered as great as they are.

if Fed won the FO, and Nadal hadn't existed, he'd probably have been criticized for playing in a weak era... if he wins the FO now, he will have won it against the best

With Nadal finally getting the HC slam (against Roger, no less) his own greatness has been brought forward... Rafa's a genuine potential GOAT himself, he's not just a great player in Fed's era- its now the Fed-Nadal era, and at this rate, 2008 - onwards will be only the Nadal era
Great post! Is your signature always gonna quote me from now on :shock:? Federer's serve has been more of a weapon and he serves more aces but if you look at the AO final Nadal had a better first serve % than Fed (64 to 51%), same thing for Wimbledon final (Nadal 73%- Fed 65%). At least Nadal's serve is a consistent weapon. He doesn't try to go for too much on crucial points!

devila
02-26-2009, 01:35 PM
fed said he was a lone superstar in
the
2005 Masters Cup.
He bashed Roddick and Nadal for not playing Masters Cup with less than healthy knee and back strain (Roddick had eaten junk and lost his forehand strength since 2003). The media pressed him for his criticism, and Federer backed down .
As a usual coward, Federer
sandbagged his way out of that fake debate. He said "they may have injuries".

icedevil0289
02-26-2009, 01:40 PM
QUOTE=devila;3167936]fed said he was a lone superstar in
the
2005 Masters Cup.
He bashed Roddick and Nadal for not playing Masters Cup with less than healthy knee and back strain (Roddick had eaten junk and lost his forehand strength since 2003). The media pressed him for his criticism, and Federer backed down .
As a usual coward, Federer
sandbagged his way out of that fake debate. He said "they may have injuries".[/QUOTE]

:confused:

devila
02-26-2009, 02:11 PM
Bad approach from a realistic point of view. If Federer starts playing fewer tournaments than what he's been doing (about 18 a year), he 's gonna drop in the rankings and how much of an advantage will it be for him to maybe have to play his nemesis (Nadal) before the final? Plus he'll have twice as much pressure to do well in the fewer tournaments he enters, not a good idea when one is already showing difficulties handling that pressure. If that's the only plan Federer has for a successful long career, I'm afraid it's bad news for his fans... Hopefully it's just something he said without thinking too much about it as he definitely wants to stay #2 as long as possible (and I think he could if he plays a normal schedule).

Does anyone think his constant hardcourt and clay losses and escape jobs from a virus-sickened Ginepri and a 31 year old claycourter
give him the #2 ranking???
Federer had vacations and practice time that were unprecedented, since 2004 (US Open, Wimbledons).
He wasn't even the best player in Montreal and Cincinnati 2004 and 2005, but Andy Roddick was such a fraud and injured idiot at the time.
Nadal and Murray showed up more often and healthier, then Federer's
unspectacular serve (just bashing flat) and one-dimensional flat forehand power and mediocre volleys were exposed.
If the media wasn't intimidating Roddick and clowns like Blake and Fish, they wouldn't fawn over him.

bolo
02-26-2009, 02:43 PM
http://www.xpress4me.com/sport/uae/tennis/20012102.html


good news for nadal! :)

veroniquem
02-26-2009, 02:55 PM
http://www.xpress4me.com/sport/uae/tennis/20012102.html


good news for nadal! :)
Ditto! :twisted:

TheTruth
02-26-2009, 04:44 PM
http://www.xpress4me.com/sport/uae/tennis/20012102.html


good news for nadal! :)

Great news for Nadal!

edmondsm
02-26-2009, 05:49 PM
http://www.xpress4me.com/sport/uae/tennis/20012102.html


good news for nadal! :)

Ditto! :twisted:

Great news for Nadal!

Well I can see how you guys get your post counts up so fast.:-|

veroniquem
02-26-2009, 05:52 PM
Well I can see how you guys get your post counts up so fast.:-|
Ha ha very funny! (oops my post count went up again :)