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rafa_prestige89
02-24-2009, 08:07 PM
Safin and Tsonga have very similar styles, but why Safin can't win tournaments anymore, and Tsonga can?

federerdomination
02-24-2009, 08:08 PM
Safin is older and prob doesn't have as much motivation

edmondsm
02-24-2009, 08:14 PM
Mmmm, kind of. Tsonga comes to net more and doesn't have as good a backhand.

edberg505
02-24-2009, 08:17 PM
Mmmm, kind of. Tsonga comes to net more and doesn't have as good a backhand.

I have noticed that it's getting better though.

thalivest
02-24-2009, 08:28 PM
It is very easy. Tsonga is in his prime and Safin is way past his. If Federer is slowing down at 27, why anyone would expect Safin at 29 to be anywhere near his best is beyond me.

icedevil0289
02-24-2009, 08:38 PM
um, maybe safin just doesn't care anymore, or atleast it looks that way.

thalivest
02-24-2009, 08:41 PM
um, maybe safin just doesn't care anymore, or atleast it looks that way.

I think he cares to an extent but not enough to put in the level of work and effort it would require at age 29 (which is obviously alot more than if he were 24).

Beasty54
02-24-2009, 09:05 PM
Its all between the ears.

flying24
02-24-2009, 09:06 PM
Its all between the ears.

Not really. Like thalivest said Safin is old, 2 years older than Federer who people are saying is old. Combine that with all the injuries he has had in recent years, and the improving field.

Beasty54
02-24-2009, 09:08 PM
Not really. Like thalivest said Safin is old, 2 years older than Federer who people are saying is old. Combine that with all the injuries he has had in recent years, and the improving field.

Still though, yeah his movement might be going, hes getting old, blah blah blah he is still one of the more talented ball strikers. The effortless power is crazy. But due to lack of motivation to win and being a head case is the big difference. I dont think its because hes too old.

rubberduckies
02-24-2009, 09:17 PM
Tsonga comes to the net a lot, something Safin never did with much frequency even during his peak.

flying24
02-24-2009, 09:19 PM
Tsonga comes to the net a lot, something Safin never did with much frequency even during his peak.

Yeah this is true. I am not sure he would have the same success if he were just a baseliner. Also I wouldnt exagerrate how well the guy has done. He has 1 slam final and 1 Masters title. Right now he is less accomplished than say Thomas Johansson.

crazylevity
02-24-2009, 10:15 PM
Tsonga's movement is far superior to Safin's currently. Tsonga dances like a butterfly, Safin like he's on butter.

Safin of 2000, on the other hand...

edmondsm
02-24-2009, 11:31 PM
I have noticed that it's getting better though.

So true. It was really looking good in Marseille.

oranges
02-25-2009, 01:44 AM
Tsonga is one of a kind, a precursor of the new rip-and-charge generation of players :p

Gorecki
02-25-2009, 02:30 AM
Tsonga is one of a kind, a precursor of the new rip-and-charge generation of players :p

rip-n-charge? nice concept... did you come up with it?

oranges
02-25-2009, 03:12 AM
rip-n-charge? nice concept... did you come up with it?

Well, chip and charge is not as effective as it used to be anywhere anymore, but rip will do the trick and Jo certainly knows how to do it. I'd be surprised if no one came up with the concept before me.

Gorecki
02-25-2009, 03:24 AM
Well, chip and charge is not as effective as it used to be anywhere anymore, but rip will do the trick and Jo certainly knows how to do it. I'd be surprised if no one came up with the concept before me.

absolutely.. if anything, that label would suit Willy like an Armani pair of jeans fit me...

ps: they fit me perfectly...

Tennis_Monk
02-25-2009, 03:25 AM
Safin and Tsonga have very similar styles, but why Safin can't win tournaments anymore, and Tsonga can?

lOOK at it differently. Safin is a two time Grandslam champion. Tsonga? He may 'probably' never win a Grandslam.

TheNatural
02-25-2009, 04:36 PM
Safin's game is too one dimensional and he hits long too often.

Ocean Drive
02-25-2009, 04:52 PM
Safin is 29 and after a serious injury in 2005 he has never had the same movement, part of me feels sorry for Marat seeing as he seemed to really give it his best shot in the last couple of years but just doesn't move well enough, plus his forehand was a very good shot before, but now it's a weakness as well. Take two things that were a good part of your game out and you are left with not much. Safin may be known as a slacker, but the guy has tried, he was in good shape last year but he just isn't as agile as he once was. I mean looking back over the years and he has blown some opportunities but right now it's nothing to do with motivation. An unmotivated Marat of old would still win a lot of matches, big matches.

saram
02-25-2009, 10:22 PM
D: All of the above.