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netman
03-04-2009, 12:16 PM
One of these followed me home today.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/FoxATPWB-210.jpg

I searched on Fox and found some WB-215 threads but nothing specific on this frame. It weighs 339 grams (12 oz), has a 18mm beam and is head light. Says "Graphite Kevlar Composite" and "Designed in the USA" on one side of the bridge and "Designed exclusively for the Association of Tennis Professionals by Warren Bosworth" on the other side. Has shiny black base coat with copper colored graphics. I laid my Yonex RDS 001 Mid on top and the heads are essentially the same size so I'm guessing its a 90 head. Interestingly it has the same head shape and heaxagonal beam profile as the Yonex. One last thing - Main strings 1-4 pass through the bridge and are threaded through the throat all the way to the handle.

Can anybody add dates and other history about it?

Thanks
-k-

jimbo333
03-04-2009, 01:23 PM
Never seen one of these before, but I do have a white ceramic WB-215:) A great looking frame!!

Virginia
03-04-2009, 01:59 PM
And I have an eight sided ceramic/graphite/fibreglass WB-210. :)

atatu
03-04-2009, 08:12 PM
This is somewhat of a coincidence, I just picked this one up off Cragislist today. This is the ATP Ceramic Pro WB-215, pictured next to my ATP Ceramic Pro WB-210. I would think your version is fairly rare, as I have not seen one before.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2im6olh.jpg

atatu
03-04-2009, 08:18 PM
For Fox Fans, here's my other Fox frame, a never used ATP Red Fox composite, I don't really know anything about this one...

http://i39.tinypic.com/2q1fj1l.jpg

Virginia
03-04-2009, 08:39 PM
That Red Fox is injection molded, if I'm not mistaken - at any rate, it's grommetless. I have one myself, along with a Fox ATP - the big one, with the seemingly impossible string set up - no visible way in to string it!

atatu
03-04-2009, 08:47 PM
You are correct, no grommets ! I never focused on that before, thanks for pointing that out...

dlesser13
03-04-2009, 08:51 PM
saw that on craigslist too, don't know much about classics except the prostaff frames so I went on about my business. looks nice.

netman
03-05-2009, 03:50 AM
This is somewhat of a coincidence, I just picked this one up off Cragislist today. This is the ATP Ceramic Pro WB-215, pictured next to my ATP Ceramic Pro WB-210. I would think your version is fairly rare, as I have not seen one before.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2im6olh.jpg

Your WB-215 looks identical to the one I found in regards to shape. Looks like Fox must have made several variations of the same mold using different materials/layups. Wilson did that with the PS 85 mold. I have a Wilson Ceramic 85, Jack Kramer Staff, PS 85 and Graphite Matrix that are identical in size and shape, but are all made of different material mixes.

-k-

netman
03-05-2009, 08:24 AM
Here is the PS 85 and the variations I just mentioned

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/WilsonPSMids.jpg

Each has a slightly different material formulation leading to different weights and, I'm sure, stiffness.

Kirko
03-05-2009, 08:39 AM
Your WB-215 looks identical to the one I found in regards to shape. Looks like Fox must have made several variations of the same mold using different materials/layups. Wilson did that with the PS 85 mold. I have a Wilson Ceramic 85, Jack Kramer Staff, PS 85 and Graphite Matrix that are identical in size and shape, but are all made of different material mixes.

-k-

Fox also made a boron version of the WB-210 graphite model Gilbert used eg. no grommets ; Gilbert actually used this frame near his end of his using Fox rackets. I bought 3 of them in 1991 for 19.00 a piece. played very nicely !

psp2
03-05-2009, 08:51 AM
Here is the PS 85 and the variations I just mentioned

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/WilsonPSMids.jpg

Each has a slightly different material formulation leading to different weights and, I'm sure, stiffness.

Unfortunately, the Matrix (or the Pro Select) in your photo is not from the same mold as the other 3. It's close but not the same.

netman
03-05-2009, 09:26 AM
Fox also made a boron version of the WB-210 graphite model Gilbert used eg. no grommets ; Gilbert actually used this frame near his end of his using Fox rackets. I bought 3 of them in 1991 for 19.00 a piece. played very nicely !

The ATP Limited I have does have grommets. Were grommets an option on the WB-215 line?

-k-

netman
03-05-2009, 09:27 AM
Unfortunately, the Matrix (or the Pro Select) in your photo is not from the same mold as the other 3. It's close but not the same.

Thanks. I went back and looked at it and it is slightly different.

-k-

Kirko
03-05-2009, 09:38 AM
The ATP Limited I have does have grommets. Were grommets an option on the WB-215 line?

-k-

the racket was gray and no grommets just like the frame Gilbert used. a SOLID frame and had nice leather grips. I was surprised when I saw them because I considered myself "up" on rackets.