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BERDI4
03-09-2009, 04:31 PM
Fed didn't play the davis cup against the US. All the rest played: Nadal, Roddick, Djokovic (Nalb was sick but they didnt need him really). Don't you think he's rather selfish with his country? He would make a good team with Wawrinka and Switzerand could have a good oportunity.

klementine
03-09-2009, 04:36 PM
They really need to make Davis cup a bi-yearly event.

The tour is long and arduous. Have the davis cup matches sporadically played over a course of two years-- every two years-- the final.

I think this would add a level of attention being paid to davis cup.

It just gets lost in the tour schedule and the general sporting or even tennis consumer could not care less.

Having the final every two or four years (with more countries participating) would hold Davis Cup in the echelon of the world cup or olympics. Just my two cents.

bladepdb
03-09-2009, 04:38 PM
Federer has in a previous interview noted that he feels his career would be more satisfactory if he were able to win Roland Garros title and Davis Cup for Switzerland. I don't think at all that he is being selfish by not playing; he had a legitimate reason for dropping out of the Davis Cup and he even dropped out of Dubai. Whether he really had an injury or not is pure speculation. What is fact is he has withdrawn from Dubai, a fairly popular event, and from Davis Cup both.

Nadal_Freak
03-09-2009, 04:39 PM
He is definitely selfish. He should be more proud of his country and play for them. He keeps blowing them off.

ThA_Azn_DeViL
03-09-2009, 04:41 PM
He is definitely selfish. He should be more proud of his country and play for them. He keeps blowing them off.

Oh the irony, thou art so clever Nadal Freak.

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 04:41 PM
Fed didn't play the davis cup against the US. All the rest played: Nadal, Roddick, Djokovic (Nalb was sick but they didnt need him really). Don't you think he's rather selfish with his country? He would make a good team with Wawrinka and Switzerand could have a good oportunity.

Uh, how long have you been watching tennis? Federer has been carrying the Swiss team by himself for a decade. Now he's old and needs a break and ou call him selfish? Ridiculous IMO.

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 04:43 PM
He is definitely selfish. He should be more proud of his country and play for them. He keeps blowing them off.

More idiocy. No surprise here though.

klementine
03-09-2009, 04:44 PM
Uh, how long have you been watching tennis? Federer has been carrying the Swiss team by himself for a decade. Now he's old and needs a break and ou call him selfish? Ridiculous IMO.

Completely agree. I think he just did not want to see Warwinka again.:cry:

thalivest
03-09-2009, 04:45 PM
The Swiss were virtually certain to win if Federer played. Wawrinka beat Blake and if Federer played that is already enough barring a miracle. He definitely hurt his country by not playing, and unless he was seriously injured I dont see any excuse for it.

tudwell
03-09-2009, 04:46 PM
He won an Olympic gold medal for his country. I think he's allowed to take a break once in a while.

And klementine, I think you're spot on about the changes they should make to Davis Cup. But they never will.

Nadal_Freak
03-09-2009, 04:48 PM
The Swiss were virtually certain to win if Federer played. Wawrinka beat Blake and if Federer played that is already enough barring a miracle. He definitely hurt his country by not playing, and unless he was seriously injured I dont see any excuse for it.
Yeah the one thing that he could play for a team for he blows off. He just wants to play for his own glory.

thalivest
03-09-2009, 04:48 PM
He won an Olympic gold medal for his country. I think he's allowed to take a break once in a while.

He takes a break EVERY year. I dont think he has played anything except the relegation round since 2003. The U.S should be thankful as they would already have been bounced if Federer played, but he is extremely disloyal when it comes to Davis Cup.

klementine
03-09-2009, 04:49 PM
He won an Olympic gold medal for his country. I think he's allowed to take a break once in a while.

And klementine, I think you're spot on about the changes they should make to Davis Cup. But they never will.

It kills me. Davis cup could be so more prestigious. Every year the cup swaps countries. It's world tennis musical chairs... Holding it every two or four years would bring it more gravitas, a once in a lifetime or career opportunity... the moment.. everything that makes competition grand. The way they have it set-up just cheapens it.

thalivest
03-09-2009, 04:50 PM
Yeah the one thing that he could play for a team for he blows off. He just wants to play for his own glory.

Definitely agreed. I feel badly for Wawrinka who is a good #2 guy who can be part of a serious Davis Cup contending team as a #2 singles and doubles player, but obviously isnt good enough to carry a team over the top countries as the #1. He is being denied a chance to shine and play a great role in something special in his career by Federer's selfish attitude too. Even with his own selfish way of thinking though, if Fed were smart he would realize his own likelihood to never win the French Open, or perhaps even an Olympic gold in singles given that he will be 31 in 2012, means that the lack of a Davis Cup title gives him an even more incomplete resume as it is.

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 04:50 PM
The Swiss were virtually certain to win if Federer played. Wawrinka beat Blake and if Federer played that is already enough barring a miracle. He definitely hurt his country by not playing, and unless he was seriously injured I dont see any excuse for it.

Of course he hurt his country by not playing, but if he was hurt at all then he has no responsibility. Federer has played in 17 Davis Cup ties, and that's on a crappy team. He doesn't owe his country anything. Let some other Swiss player shoulder the burden.

klementine
03-09-2009, 04:51 PM
Yeah the one thing that he could play for a team for he blows off. He just wants to play for his own glory.

We'll see how many Davis cup matches Nadal plays in 6 or so years... if his knees hold up.

tudwell
03-09-2009, 04:52 PM
He takes a break EVERY year. I dont think he has played anything except the relegation round since 2003. The U.S should be thankful as they would already have been bounced if Federer played, but he is extremely disloyal when it comes to Davis Cup.
So he's not very patriotic. Big deal.

Don't get me wrong. I would love for him to play Davis Cup and I was disappointed that he pulled out this year (though I think this year he actually had a good excuse). However, I don't think it's a flaw in his personality - like some people try to make it - that he doesn't play much Davis Cup. He doesn't owe his country anything. He just happened to be born there.

thalivest
03-09-2009, 04:53 PM
Of course he hurt his country by not playing, but if he was hurt at all then he has no responsibility. Federer has played in 17 Davis Cup ties, and that's on a crappy team. He doesn't owe his country anything. Let some other Swiss player shoulder the burden.

Like I said he hasnt played anything except the relegation rounds (correct me if I am wrong) since 2003. So it is not like this is a one off thing. He does this every year, and now that they are have a legitimite #2 singles player along with a couple possible good doubles pairings, he still continues to blow it off. They are not a crappy team with Federer, like I said Wawrinka as a #2 and doubles partner now gives them a strong team. Every team would suffer without their big gun, without Nadal and Roddick wouldnt even be that good, especialy the U.S.

If Basel was this week do you think Federer would even skip that? You can give him the benefit of doubt if you wish but given his history I see no reason to.

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 04:55 PM
The ignorance in this thread is astounding. Nadal_Freak leading the way of course. There have been multiple times where Federer has won his rubber, even all of them, but the Swiss still lost. If Nadal was 27 and Spain sucked as bad as the Swiss have he would be doing the exact same thing.

klementine
03-09-2009, 04:55 PM
So he's not very patriotic. Big deal.

Don't get me wrong. I would love for him to play Davis Cup and I was disappointed that he pulled out this year (though I think this year he actually had a good excuse). However, I don't think it's a flaw in his personality - like some people try to make it - that he doesn't play much Davis Cup. He doesn't owe his country anything. He just happened to be born there.

Deep. Deep. Down. I think he feels more South African than Swiss.:)

BERDI4
03-09-2009, 04:56 PM
Uh, how long have you been watching tennis? Federer has been carrying the Swiss team by himself for a decade. Now he's old and needs a break and ou call him selfish? Ridiculous IMO.

Shure he's getting older. But that's not an excuse. Nalbandian has the same age and he represent's his country. Now the Swiss needed him. He has the right not to play but they could've beat the US if he'd played now that he has a fairly good partner.
I do understand if he was injured but it's not the first time he doesn't play.

thalivest
03-09-2009, 04:57 PM
If Nadal was 27 and Spain sucked as bad as the Swiss have he would be doing the exact same thing.

Spain has much more depth than Switzerland but under Davis Cup format Spain is not much if any stronger than Switzerland. Ferrer or Verdasco are not much better player than Wawrinka right now. Switzerland is as good or better in doubles probably.

nadal for number1
03-09-2009, 04:58 PM
your so right klementine... to bad really, not many truly care for this cup

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 04:59 PM
Like I said he hasnt played anything except the relegation rounds (correct me if I am wrong) since 2003. So it is not like this is a one off thing. He does this every year, and now that they are have a legitimite #2 singles player along with a couple possible good doubles pairings, he still continues to blow it off. They are not a crappy team with Federer, like I said Wawrinka as a #2 and doubles partner now gives them a strong team. Every team would suffer without their big gun, without Nadal and Roddick wouldnt even be that good, especialy the U.S.

If Basel was this week do you think Federer would even skip that? You can give him the benefit of doubt if you wish but given his history I see no reason to.

He's injured!!! He's not a young guy anymore. He's got to watch out for #1, because there aren't many more slam winning years left. This guy has had his countrymen let him down in Davis Cup so many times and you act like he's supposed to go out there now with an ailing back and sacrifice himself. Unbelievable. He doesn't skip the latter rounds every year, do some research. He's been with the team till the end on many many occasions.

thalivest
03-09-2009, 05:00 PM
He doesn't skip the latter rounds every year, do some research. He's been with the team till the end on many many occasions.

Not since 2003 though. Ever since he became #1 he brushed the team off except for the relegation round.

klementine
03-09-2009, 05:00 PM
Federer's Davis cup record--

Total
won 35
lost 11

Nadal's Davis Cup record--

Total
won 13
lost 5

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 05:01 PM
Shure he's getting older. But that's not an excuse. Nalbandian has the same age and he represent's his country. Now the Swiss needed him. He has the right not to play but they could've beat the US if he'd played now that he has a fairly good partner.
I do understand if he was injured but it's not the first time he doesn't play.

Again, he's injured!!! You guys think he's lying about having to rehab his back? Alright, if you think he's lying then I can't help you. But otherwise you guys are totally out of line for questioning the loyalty of a guy who has been in 17 Davis Cup ties in his life.

BERDI4
03-09-2009, 05:04 PM
They really need to make Davis cup a bi-yearly event.

The tour is long and arduous. Have the davis cup matches sporadically played over a course of two years-- every two years-- the final.

I think this would add a level of attention being paid to davis cup.

It just gets lost in the tour schedule and the general sporting or even tennis consumer could not care less.

Having the final every two or four years (with more countries participating) would hold Davis Cup in the echelon of the world cup or olympics. Just my two cents.

Davis cup should be like the world cup in football. Maybe they should do in a different city and surface every year, in 2 or 3 weeks.

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Not since 2003 though. Ever since he became #1 he brushed the team off except for the relegation round.

Wrong.

In 2004 he won both his singles rubbers against France and they still lost 3-2 in the World-Group quarters. In 2007 in the world group play-off he won both his singles rubbers and they still lost 3-2 to the Czech Rep.

You would be less then thrilled about playing as well if you got this kind of support from your countrymen.

Edit: Why didn't I see anyone around here questioning Nadal's patriotism when he skipped the DAVIS CUP FINAL last year. I guess when Federer is injured it's fake and when Nadal is injured it's real.

egn
03-09-2009, 05:10 PM
He is definitely selfish. He should be more proud of his country and play for them. He keeps blowing them off.

Weird Federer played Davis CUp in 2001 and went 3-1 they got bounced early for lack of teammates with ability to play competently.
2002- 4-0 they got bounced first round but he helped them win the playoffs so they could stay in the main draw.
2003- 5-1..lead them to the semifinals
2004- 4-0..no teammates
2005- 1-0 wins his play off misses 1R match .
2006- 2-0 believe they were out of main draw not sure but wins play off matches
2007 - 2-0
2008 - 1-0 wins play off to get them back into main draw

So singles wise he is 22-2 in davis cup play since 2001..

Doubles performances
2006- 1-0
2007- 0-1
2008- 1-0 wins play off to get them back in

In Feds 4 years as number 1 Yves Allgero was way down on the decline and their was nobody else in Swiss pool that could help. Fed played in 2004 and 07 but in 05 and 06 his two peak years not much could be said. Fed was going to deep and playing 90+ matches a year flying to god knows where to play a davis cup match where he would win his 2 and lose 2-3 was rough. He does not blow Switzerland off and hell he played all those playoffs to get them back into it, but the first round is so early in the year.

Oh Nadal_Freak tell me about Nadal's davis cup activity prior to 2008. Please share me it.

Outside of 3-1 in 2004 where he played semis and finals from 05-07 He played less Davis CUp than Federer and Spain actually had good players. All they needed was that great player and they could have won more. So where was he than? Oh right focusing on his career...kind of like Fed was doing? Fed played prior to be ranked number 1 and during it there was nobody to help him. So now that he is sick we are supposed to go he is selfish when he has a 25-6 record in singles overall and a 10-5 record in doubles. He is combined 35-11 in Davis Cup play..He is better than the quote unquote Andy Roddick who thrives for the Davis cup who is 30-11. 30/41<25/31 Fed has less appearances because his team was not strong enough to make good runs. He missed this year, but lets see next year before you call him selfish. Nadal completely skipped 2007 when the struggling Spanish could have used him the most.

julianoz
03-09-2009, 05:13 PM
i see stupid posters...all around me

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 05:15 PM
Why weren't people questioning Nadal's patriotism last year when he skipped THE DAVIS CUP FINAL? Really pathetic from you Nadal fanboys. I guess the saying holds true: "When an elephant is down, even an ant will try to kick him."

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Weird Federer played Davis CUp in 2001 and went 3-1 they got bounced early for lack of teammates with ability to play competently.
2002- 4-0 they got bounced first round but he helped them win the playoffs so they could stay in the main draw.
2003- 5-1..lead them to the semifinals
2004- 4-0..no teammates
2005- 1-0 wins his play off misses 1R match .
2006- 2-0 believe they were out of main draw not sure but wins play off matches
2007 - 2-0
2008 - 1-0 wins play off to get them back into main draw

So singles wise he is 22-2 in davis cup play since 2001..

Doubles performances
2006- 1-0
2007- 0-1
2008- 1-0 wins play off to get them back in

In Feds 4 years as number 1 Yves Allgero was way down on the decline and their was nobody else in Swiss pool that could help. Fed played in 2004 and 07 but in 05 and 06 his two peak years not much could be said. Fed was going to deep and playing 90+ matches a year flying to god knows where to play a davis cup match where he would win his 2 and lose 2-3 was rough. He does not blow Switzerland off and hell he played all those playoffs to get them back into it, but the first round is so early in the year.

Oh Nadal_Freak tell me about Nadal's davis cup activity prior to 2008. Please share me it.

Outside of 3-1 in 2004 where he played semis and finals from 05-07 He played less Davis CUp than Federer and Spain actually had good players. All they needed was that great player and they could have won more. So where was he than? Oh right focusing on his career...kind of like Fed was doing? Fed played prior to be ranked number 1 and during it there was nobody to help him. So now that he is sick we are supposed to go he is selfish when he has a 25-6 record in singles overall and a 10-5 record in doubles. He is combined 35-11 in Davis Cup play..He is better than the quote unquote Andy Roddick who thrives for the Davis cup who is 30-11. 30/41<25/31 Fed has less appearances because his team was not strong enough to make good runs. He missed this year, but lets see next year before you call him selfish. Nadal completely skipped 2007 when the struggling Spanish could have used him the most.

This is some ownage right here.

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 05:19 PM
i see stupid posters...all around me

Yes, this thread was a bit overwhelming in that sense.

msc886
03-09-2009, 05:35 PM
He does play as much as he can but its just that the Swiss team is not as strong as the others and his team gets beaten early.
Other than that just by winning all the matches, slams tiles, he as already made his country very proud.

icedevil0289
03-09-2009, 06:14 PM
I don't understand why people are making such a big deal of this. Yeah, he doesn't seem to be patriotic, but who cares? Its not a bad thing and I don't get why it makes him selfish. Like others have said before, he doesn't owe his country anything.

theChosen
03-09-2009, 06:16 PM
I think Fed. sold his soul. That said, if was a huge chance to reach the next round with W. and maybe even win the event this year. He is ego and money minded.
Wait, maybe his management has no love for the home country but only for the Bejamins ;)

Vamos Rafa, you still have you soul and pride!

Zaragoza
03-09-2009, 06:18 PM
They really need to make Davis cup a bi-yearly event.

The tour is long and arduous. Have the davis cup matches sporadically played over a course of two years-- every two years-- the final.

I think this would add a level of attention being paid to davis cup.

It just gets lost in the tour schedule and the general sporting or even tennis consumer could not care less.

Having the final every two or four years (with more countries participating) would hold Davis Cup in the echelon of the world cup or olympics. Just my two cents.

The solution to the long schedule is less ATP events, not a bi-yearly Davis Cup. Maybe they could try a different format but National Tennis Federations make a lot of money by organizing these Davis Cup ties and Federations need money to develop the sport in their country.
The yearly Davis Cup is still one of the most prestigious tennis events, only players and countries that can't achieve it think different.

We'll see how many Davis cup matches Nadal plays in 6 or so years... if his knees hold up.

Nadal peaked much earlier than Federer so comparisons between them at 27 donīt make sense. The truth is Federer has only played play-off ties since 2004. Federer only took Davis Cup seriously until 23.

http://www.daviscup.com/teams/player.asp?player=10019424

theChosen
03-09-2009, 06:22 PM
I don't understand why people are making such a big deal of this. Yeah, he doesn't seem to be patriotic, but who cares? Its not a bad thing and I don't get why it makes him selfish. Like others have said before, he doesn't owe his country anything.
Open your mind and realize that you are nothing without the people around you and would have zero opportunities without your country and history, never mind if it is Swiss or the US. There is more that you!

saram
03-09-2009, 06:27 PM
i see stupid posters...all around me

That is what currently happens when the word 'federer' is implemented within a thread here--unfortunately :???:

Dilettante
03-09-2009, 06:28 PM
But that's not an excuse. Nalbandian has the same age and he represent's his country.

Argentina has had a much better shot to win DC than Switzerland by far. IE Nalbandian knows if he skipped the DC final, he would be accused by his countrymen of harming Argentina possibilities. Argentinean press can be terrible, but the fact was Argentina COULD have won.

Switzerland has to be in a DC final first, and that will hardly happen even with Federer on the team.

Spain has much more depth than Switzerland but under Davis Cup format Spain is not much if any stronger than Switzerland. Ferrer or Verdasco are not much better player than Wawrinka right now. Switzerland is as good or better in doubles probably.

One question is: could Switzerland win a tier against Spain? Yes, they could, in 5 matches anything can happen specially with Federer out there. They could beat any big team with Roger. Once.

But another question is: could Switzerland win all the ties necessary to be DC champions? Spain can do it, Argentina, USA, Russia, France, they all can but Switzerland? They didn't do it with a prime Federer and as Federer goes down, their small chances will just fade away.

icedevil0289
03-09-2009, 06:28 PM
Open your mind and realize that you are nothing without the people around you and would have zero opportunities without your country and history, never mind if it is Swiss or the US. There is more that you!

I realize there is more to life than me and to a certain extent I am greatful to my country as well as the country my parents came from, but I don't see anything wrong with my statement. Just because someone is not that patriotic doesn't mean they are automatically selfish.

devila
03-09-2009, 06:29 PM
Dang. He's old and injured. I wish my aching back was as injured as this old man's. I'm sure all the lucky Slams he won were deserved and difficult
to win. With the week long vacation and practice after the 2007 Wimbledon 3rd round. Added to that were walkovers at the 2004 US Open, Djokovic's withdrawal and collapse in the finals and Australian Opens. Don't forget the unathletic toad Roddick's worship for him. No surprise to see Federer's ego grow into
an insult to unbiased tennis fans' senses.

veroniquem
03-09-2009, 06:32 PM
From 1999 to 2004, Federer played 2 rounds for Davis cup every year with the regularity of a Swiss clock! In 2003 he even played 3 rounds (only time in his career.) Things changed after he became a big star. From 2005 onwards, he has played only one round every year. I guess this year will be his first year of not playing at all!
Nadal has played it even less than Federer. He hasn't played it at all in 2007, has played just one round in 2005 and 2006, 2 rounds in 2008 and 3 rounds only in 2004.
I don't think it has anything to do with selfishness, it's just that the schedule is already very packed for players who systematically go far in tournaments.

veroniquem
03-09-2009, 06:37 PM
Again, he's injured!!! You guys think he's lying about having to rehab his back? Alright, if you think he's lying then I can't help you. But otherwise you guys are totally out of line for questioning the loyalty of a guy who has been in 17 Davis Cup ties in his life.
What I don't understand is how he's been training hard with Cahill (according to rumors) when he is supposedly injured...

Nadal_Freak
03-09-2009, 06:38 PM
What I don't understand is how he's been training hard with Cahill (according to rumors) when he is supposedly injured...
He's a liar. Not a big surprise.

theChosen
03-09-2009, 06:44 PM
What I don't understand is how he's been training hard with Cahill (according to rumors) when he is supposedly injured...

You know the X-File Poster: "I want to believe"? If you ever had a serious back problem, you won't even think about touching a racket like he does in Dubai.
His priorities have shifted, he is so close to history that the sparkle took his eyes, it's immortality, dawkings, the selfish gene. it happens with men.

Btw. if you need proof, remember his tears, the force is strong.

theChosen
03-09-2009, 06:46 PM
He's a liar. Not a big surprise.

Hey Nadal Freak, you hit the spot, just one question, some month ago you weren't so smart and your sense of language was different, did tw swap you or is it me?:shock:

devila
03-09-2009, 06:47 PM
How did Federer work so hard?
He lost easily against Canas, he lost in 2 sets and had a walkover in Indian Wells last year.
He had the illness excuse in Miami and Olympics. He barely won a match on summer hardcourts and almost lost to Ginepri, who was sick in their match.
Ramirez-Hidalgo gave him a free ride
after losing 2 chances to win their 1st round clay match.

Funny enough, Nadal beat him without any excuse. That's because
he never lost to Federer on 3 surfaces, since 2007.

Nadal_Freak
03-09-2009, 06:48 PM
Hey Nadal Freak, you hit the spot, just one question, some month ago you weren't so smart and your sense of language was different, did tw swap you or is it me?:shock:
I've always talked this way. Must've been someone else you were thinking about.

egn
03-09-2009, 06:50 PM
From 1999 to 2004, Federer played 2 rounds for Davis cup every year with the regularity of a Swiss clock! In 2003 he even played 3 rounds (only time in his career.) Things changed after he became a big star. From 2005 onwards, he has played only one round every year. I guess this year will be his first year of not playing at all!
Nadal has played it even less than Federer. He hasn't played it at all in 2007, has played just one round in 2005 and 2006, 2 rounds in 2008 and 3 rounds only in 2004.
I don't think it has anything to do with selfishness, it's just that the schedule is already very packed for players who systematically go far in tournaments.


Truer words were never spoken. Whats sad is from 99 to 2004 he probably would have played more rounds if Swiss had played more. 2003 he was full set to go as far as he could but they could not make it past the 3rd round. But as you said the rise to the top cuts out Davis Cup play. Davis Cup does not get you points, I don't know how prize money works for Davis Cup..someone could enlighten me, but maintaining a top ranking and building a legend comes from winning the titles and slams, the Davis Cup is more of a nation thing. It establishes a nations dominance in the sport. Nobody is saying Switzerland is a tennis breeding machine because Fed is really the only success story, and when Fed is gone nobody will be crying over shocks of none top 10 players. But when countries like Australia and America are missing top 10..like Australia is right now and Sweden and France also as of recently do not have driving forces you notice. Because thats where the big names come from..not always the number 1 of an era but definitely driving forces..which is why they have a lot of Davis Cup titles.


He's a liar. Not a big surprise.

Is there a post you do not troll. What about your boy Nadal he was injured for only Dubai..it was serious enough for him to miss Dubai and have you all cry screaming he is injured, but he then kicked *** on clay right after that..maybe Nadal lied to get out of Dubai so he could warm up on clay to beat Serbia. All you do is attempt to spread your propaganda. Training while being injuried or as you are recovering happens..we call it rehab here on earth. You know that thing you do to get back in shape, you should know all about it being a Nadal fan. He is constantly rehabbing after his knee injuries.

VivalaVida
03-09-2009, 06:54 PM
He's a liar. Not a big surprise.
What I don't understand is how he's been training hard with Cahill (according to rumors) when he is supposedly injured...
bunch of hypocrites. I am willing to bet the damn house that if nadal was supposedly injured like he is several times in the year, you guys would be on your knees praying your asses of for nadal and would be on this board expressing your sympathy for nadal's injury. Get a life, federer is a human to and he can get injured also.

Jackie T. Stephens
03-09-2009, 06:58 PM
They really need to make Davis cup a bi-yearly event.

The tour is long and arduous. Have the davis cup matches sporadically played over a course of two years-- every two years-- the final.

I think this would add a level of attention being paid to davis cup.

It just gets lost in the tour schedule and the general sporting or even tennis consumer could not care less.

Having the final every two or four years (with more countries participating) would hold Davis Cup in the echelon of the world cup or olympics. Just my two cents.

Yes and there's a tournament every week.

federerdomination
03-09-2009, 06:58 PM
He's a liar. Not a big surprise.

Actually I thought it was mostly for preventative measures. Have u considered the possibility of he being healed?

Plus, u dont have to be 100% to be training. Look at Sharapova at IW. She's playing doubs even tho she's not 100%


And for all u know, Fed could really have been injured and then got healed. Before you call someone a liar, you must have evidence. Your argument is based purely on speculation.

veroniquem
03-09-2009, 06:59 PM
bunch of hypocrites. I am willing to bet the damn house that if nadal was supposedly injured like he is several times in the year, you guys would be on your knees praying your asses of for nadal and would be on this board expressing your sympathy for nadal's injury. Get a life, federer is a human to and he can get injured also.
So you think the rumors about training with Cahill for the last few weeks are false?

VivalaVida
03-09-2009, 07:03 PM
So you think the rumors about training with Cahill for the last few weeks are false?
I dont know if they are true or not but I wouldnt call fed a liar. When you are injured you are expected to start training at some point and it is called rehab. I wouldnt make a big deal about it or call federer selfish. By this logic, people should call nadal selfish for not showing up to the DC final last year, oh wait he was injured! the poor guy, he is human after all. Federer isnt on the other hand, he is a liar and never injured! :rolleyes:

Nadal_Freak
03-09-2009, 07:04 PM
Actually I thought it was mostly for preventative measures. Have u considered the possibility of he being healed?

Plus, u dont have to be 100% to be training. Look at Sharapova at IW. She's playing doubs even tho she's not 100%


And for all u know, Fed could really have been injured and then got healed. Before you call someone a liar, you must have evidence. Your argument is based purely on speculation.
The evidence is that he called himself unable to play a month before it started. What a joke. Nadal did about a week but you have to make a decision at that point. A month is way too early to declare something like that.

paulorenzo
03-09-2009, 07:13 PM
Weird Federer played Davis CUp in 2001 and went 3-1 they got bounced early for lack of teammates with ability to play competently.
2002- 4-0 they got bounced first round but he helped them win the playoffs so they could stay in the main draw.
2003- 5-1..lead them to the semifinals
2004- 4-0..no teammates
2005- 1-0 wins his play off misses 1R match .
2006- 2-0 believe they were out of main draw not sure but wins play off matches
2007 - 2-0
2008 - 1-0 wins play off to get them back into main draw

So singles wise he is 22-2 in davis cup play since 2001..

Doubles performances
2006- 1-0
2007- 0-1
2008- 1-0 wins play off to get them back in

In Feds 4 years as number 1 Yves Allgero was way down on the decline and their was nobody else in Swiss pool that could help. Fed played in 2004 and 07 but in 05 and 06 his two peak years not much could be said. Fed was going to deep and playing 90+ matches a year flying to god knows where to play a davis cup match where he would win his 2 and lose 2-3 was rough. He does not blow Switzerland off and hell he played all those playoffs to get them back into it, but the first round is so early in the year.

Oh Nadal_Freak tell me about Nadal's davis cup activity prior to 2008. Please share me it.

Outside of 3-1 in 2004 where he played semis and finals from 05-07 He played less Davis CUp than Federer and Spain actually had good players. All they needed was that great player and they could have won more. So where was he than? Oh right focusing on his career...kind of like Fed was doing? Fed played prior to be ranked number 1 and during it there was nobody to help him. So now that he is sick we are supposed to go he is selfish when he has a 25-6 record in singles overall and a 10-5 record in doubles. He is combined 35-11 in Davis Cup play..He is better than the quote unquote Andy Roddick who thrives for the Davis cup who is 30-11. 30/41<25/31 Fed has less appearances because his team was not strong enough to make good runs. He missed this year, but lets see next year before you call him selfish. Nadal completely skipped 2007 when the struggling Spanish could have used him the most.
way to actually back up one's argument with substance.

saram
03-09-2009, 07:17 PM
Weird Federer played Davis CUp in 2001 and went 3-1 they got bounced early for lack of teammates with ability to play competently.
2002- 4-0 they got bounced first round but he helped them win the playoffs so they could stay in the main draw.
2003- 5-1..lead them to the semifinals
2004- 4-0..no teammates
2005- 1-0 wins his play off misses 1R match .
2006- 2-0 believe they were out of main draw not sure but wins play off matches
2007 - 2-0
2008 - 1-0 wins play off to get them back into main draw

So singles wise he is 22-2 in davis cup play since 2001..

Doubles performances
2006- 1-0
2007- 0-1
2008- 1-0 wins play off to get them back in

In Feds 4 years as number 1 Yves Allgero was way down on the decline and their was nobody else in Swiss pool that could help. Fed played in 2004 and 07 but in 05 and 06 his two peak years not much could be said. Fed was going to deep and playing 90+ matches a year flying to god knows where to play a davis cup match where he would win his 2 and lose 2-3 was rough. He does not blow Switzerland off and hell he played all those playoffs to get them back into it, but the first round is so early in the year.

Oh Nadal_Freak tell me about Nadal's davis cup activity prior to 2008. Please share me it.

Outside of 3-1 in 2004 where he played semis and finals from 05-07 He played less Davis CUp than Federer and Spain actually had good players. All they needed was that great player and they could have won more. So where was he than? Oh right focusing on his career...kind of like Fed was doing? Fed played prior to be ranked number 1 and during it there was nobody to help him. So now that he is sick we are supposed to go he is selfish when he has a 25-6 record in singles overall and a 10-5 record in doubles. He is combined 35-11 in Davis Cup play..He is better than the quote unquote Andy Roddick who thrives for the Davis cup who is 30-11. 30/41<25/31 Fed has less appearances because his team was not strong enough to make good runs. He missed this year, but lets see next year before you call him selfish. Nadal completely skipped 2007 when the struggling Spanish could have used him the most.

Great research here

egn
03-09-2009, 07:49 PM
So you think the rumors about training with Cahill for the last few weeks are false?

No I do not think they are false, also I do not expect him to not be training and working on his fitness while being injuried. He wants to be in form when he gets back and not have a further setback. Nadal was training last fall when he missed Shanghai and was training and trying to get in best playing condition to play the Davis Cup final he was unable to as his injury was more severe than predicted but he was still training. It was everywhere. Players will still train during injuries, they cut regimes but try to get in top form.

The evidence is that he called himself unable to play a month before it started. What a joke. Nadal did about a week but you have to make a decision at that point. A month is way too early to declare something like that.

Really? You once again are a doctor or something. Back it up with substance please. Find me Federer's injury, I believe it was to his back and find when he declared himself unable to play Dubai and find the average recovery time from this injury. You make these bold statements with absolutely nothing whatsoever backing them up. Oh by the way Federer pulled out of Dubai on Feb. 17th only two days before Nadal. So Fed pulled out 6 days before Nadal and Nadal pulled 4 days before. 6 days...one month...really close.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7895679.stm

I would say BBC News is a good source. So really it was not some extreme amount. He suffered a back injury last fall and just like how Nadal's knees act up from too much tennis Federer is slowly showing that sign of aging and his backs up more and more. He said he is going to be taking the time to rehabilitate so I would say that involves some type of training.

federerdomination
03-09-2009, 07:53 PM
Summary:

If Fed is injured = fake, liar, worst person on earth, should be banished from this world
If Nadal is injured = true, human, loads of sympathy, everyone should send him a get well card

icedevil0289
03-09-2009, 08:01 PM
Summary:

If Fed is injured = fake, liar, worst person on earth, should be banished from this world
If Nadal is injured = true, human, loads of sympathy, everyone should send him a get well card

don't forget for nadal there is also the never ending "his career is going to be over soon."

FD3S
03-09-2009, 08:11 PM
Summary:

If Fed is injured = fake, liar, worst person on earth, should be banished from this world
If Nadal is injured = true, human, loads of sympathy, everyone should send him a get well card

This. Oh god, this.

random guy
03-09-2009, 08:15 PM
Really weird thread here to call a player with 46 matches in DC and an olympic gold medal "unpatriotic".

ESP#1
03-09-2009, 08:18 PM
I didn't see any selfish threads when Nadal miss the Davis Cup final, how many times did Sampras play DC? Agassi missed alot also. Fed at the moment has alot on his plate, not to mention he's been injured i wouldn't say he's selfish maybe just being cautious

egn
03-09-2009, 08:19 PM
Really weird thread here to call a player with 46 matches in DC and an olympic gold medal "unpatriotic".

Its he got sick and missed a 1R Davis Cup match...he needs to be more patrotic like Nadal and wait until Davis Cup finals.

That zing was so uncalled for but I had to go for it since that was this whole thread. Seriously though I would say both are pretty patriotic to the same time both also have their own careers. Fed could have easily let his loss at the olympics in singles ruined doubles, but no he clearly stated he wanted an olympic gold to be home. Let us also not forget Nadal was constantly calling the stadium where the Davis Cup finals were played to keep in touch and give his input. The two respect their countries and are loyal a great deal.

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 09:04 PM
So you think the rumors about training with Cahill for the last few weeks are false?

So you think when a player is injured or recouping they just go sit on the beach and drink Coronas? It's amazing witnessing the little pro-NAdal/anti-Fed world you've invented for yourself.

veroniquem
03-09-2009, 09:10 PM
So you think when a player is injured or recouping they just go sit on the beach and drink Coronas? It's amazing witnessing the little pro-NAdal/anti-Fed world you've invented for yourself.
I know if I had a bad back I would want to put the racquet down for a while.

edmondsm
03-09-2009, 09:13 PM
I know if I had a bad back I would want to put the racquet down for a while.

YOU would put the racquet down for a while? Is that supposed to be empirical evidence that Federer is lying about his back injury?

tudwell
03-09-2009, 09:15 PM
Its he got sick and missed a 1R Davis Cup match...he needs to be more patrotic like Nadal and wait until Davis Cup finals.
This is WIN.

devila
03-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Wawrinka won the doubles match?
What's new? Federer's supposed to congratulate his country for a team effort? Yet, Davis Cup humiliates him because it's not just a doubles match....
he could lose to Roddick and Nadal
(despite being so beautifully natural and talented :lol: ). Hell, even Hewitt beat Federer after the 2 sets and a break deficit. The painful grin on Federer's face says it all.

veroniquem
03-09-2009, 09:19 PM
YOU would put the racquet down for a while? Is that supposed to be empirical evidence that Federer is lying about his back injury?
No, just ordinary common sense. I can't see why common sense shouldn't apply to Federer just because he happens to be a good tennis player. If your back hurts, take it easy until it's better. How are you gonna recover if you keep playing? (whether for practice or for competition).

saram
03-09-2009, 09:28 PM
Summary:

If Fed is injured = fake, liar, worst person on earth, should be banished from this world
If Nadal is injured = true, human, loads of sympathy, everyone should send him a get well card

EPIC. Greatest post in the last two years!

tennis_hand
03-09-2009, 09:52 PM
Britain should have asked Murray to play also.
Murray is unpatriotic because he didn't play. :roll:

Mkie7
03-09-2009, 10:05 PM
Yeah the one thing that he could play for a team for he blows off. He just wants to play for his own glory.


Why would you care or worry about someone you don't like. The more you predictable you are., the more you deminish your credibility even if you have valid point. Federer does not give a 'fish' what you think of him... :)

mandy01
03-09-2009, 10:17 PM
What I don't understand is how he's been training hard with Cahill (according to rumors) when he is supposedly injured...He was in Switzerland taking treatment for his back,then came to Dubai for training.He's not severely injured but his back just dosent feel 100 % and there's no point in taking the risk of playing ,which can cause a serious injury.

iriraz
03-09-2009, 11:01 PM
Let`s be realistic.Even if Federer played against the US in best case the swiss would have won that tie.No more then that and they wouldn`t have had a shot for the title anyways.
There would have been like 0 chance Federer would have played in second round anyways.It`s just a week after Wimbledon and seeing Federer on court after that it`s pretty impossible

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 12:58 AM
He is definitely selfish. He should be more proud of his country and play for them. He keeps blowing them off.
Wow, what a surprise! YOU, of all people, criticizing Federer? Who would have imagined it? :roll:

So was Nadal also being "selfish" for skipping the Davis Cup final a few months ago? :oops:

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 01:03 AM
Fed didn't play the davis cup against the US. All the rest played: Nadal, Roddick, Djokovic (Nalb was sick but they didnt need him really). Don't you think he's rather selfish with his country? He would make a good team with Wawrinka and Switzerand could have a good oportunity.
Federer did indeed commit to playing Davis Cup this year. He was planning to play in the tie against the U.S. and was on the team all the way up until two weeks before the tie when his back started to give him trouble again so he thought it was best that he rest and allowed his back to fully heal.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 01:13 AM
Definitely agreed. I feel badly for Wawrinka who is a good #2 guy who can be part of a serious Davis Cup contending team as a #2 singles and doubles player, but obviously isnt good enough to carry a team over the top countries as the #1. He is being denied a chance to shine and play a great role in something special in his career by Federer's selfish attitude too. Even with his own selfish way of thinking though, if Fed were smart he would realize his own likelihood to never win the French Open, or perhaps even an Olympic gold in singles given that he will be 31 in 2012, means that the lack of a Davis Cup title gives him an even more incomplete resume as it is.
You mean like how selfish Federer denied Wawrinka a doubles Olymppic gold medal? :roll:

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 01:21 AM
Federer's Davis cup record--

Total
won 35
lost 11

Nadal's Davis Cup record--

Total
won 13
lost 5
So Federer has a better winning percentage in Davis Cup than Nadal. Interesting.

I guess that must prove that Nadal doesn't care about Davis Cup? :shock: ;) LOL

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 01:33 AM
He's a liar. Not a big surprise.
Is that your response for Nadal skipping out of all of those Davis Cup ties throughout his career?

Nadal has played it even less than Federer. He hasn't played it at all in 2007, has played just one round in 2005 and 2006, 2 rounds in 2008 and 3 rounds only in 2004.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 01:48 AM
The evidence is that he called himself unable to play a month before it started. What a joke. Nadal did about a week but you have to make a decision at that point. A month is way too early to declare something like that.
And how do you know how severe his back injury is? And how do you know if his doctors didn't tell him he has to take several weeks off to fully heal his back? :-?

devila
03-10-2009, 01:50 AM
Roddick played with vomiting and injury problems. Obviously, Federer was scared of looking unspecial with a loser team.
No one can blame him. Not even Wawrinka. After all, Olympics allowed TEAMS as well as Federer's failed SINGLES play. Federer complained on the Regis and Kelly Show about looking "failed" after losing the 2004 Olympics.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 02:02 AM
I know if I had a bad back I would want to put the racquet down for a while.
Because you're also a world-class tennis player and need to stay in shape to get back to #1 in the world? :-?

cottontail
03-10-2009, 02:06 AM
F
Nadal has played it even less than Federer. He hasn't played it at all in 2007, has played just one round in 2005 and 2006, 2 rounds in 2008 and 3 rounds only in 2004.
Nadal played all four ties in 2004, not three.
In 2005 and 2006, there were only two ties for Spain as they lost in the World Group first round, and Nadal played three of the four. He missed the first round in 2006 due to the foot injury which saw him out of the Australian Open as well.

So it's basically the two ties each in 2007 and 2008 that he was not available, and we all know why he had to pulled out from the last year's final.
The other three ties were:
The first round in 2008 against Peru, which Spain won 5-0.
The first round in 2007 against Switzerland, which Spain won 3-2.
The QF in 2007 against USA which Spain lost 1-4.
I don't remember what were the reason for his withdrawals in those three ties, but I think there were some injury concerns in the 2007 QF. Will appreciate if someone enlightens me.

http://www.daviscup.com/teams/player.asp?Player=100007935
http://www.daviscup.com/teams/teamwinloss.asp?team=ESP

Is that your response for Nadal skipping out of all of those Davis Cup ties throughout his career?
You were given wrong information and maybe you can call Nadal skipping the ties in the above three occasions.

tahiti
03-10-2009, 02:23 AM
He is definitely selfish. He should be more proud of his country and play for them. He keeps blowing them off.

Nadal_Freak :) I'm beginning to wonder if someone paid you to come here and heat things up :) While I totally agree with you about Rafa being, the best, the no. 1, a goat and all the wonderful things he is, I think it would be really nice for Rafans here if you maybe just added a little less fuel to the fire....would that be possible? :)

I know you've probably been hit hard by bashing here as 80% of people here are guilty. Problem is, most here see things very black/white and with one stroke, paint us all the same colour. Apartheid is an ugly thing.

Of course we all hold our own opinions and beliefs, but sometimes it shows more class to not say what we think so directly. When everyone jumps on the bandwagon it becomes such a "tacky" forum and I don't think that is what is tennis is about. What do you think?

Regardless of whether a players is sick, faking or we just don't know, it's not fair to attack the character of someone we do not even know. I'm sure in real life we wouldn't use someone as a dart-board. It's easy to hide in the virtual world but it's still people we're dealing with here.

All I'm saying is that you're making it hard for Rafans because those who just can't contain themself or be objective begin the childish name calling and insult game. I hope you understand what I mean.

Gen
03-10-2009, 02:51 AM
Uh, how long have you been watching tennis? Federer has been carrying the Swiss team by himself for a decade. Now he's old and needs a break and ou call him selfish? Ridiculous IMO.

And you have some very special tennis opportunities. Since Federer hasn't played DC for the last 2-3 years, still "he has been carrying the Swiss team for a decade" and he is 27 now, does it mean that he started playing for the national team of an excellent age of 14?

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 02:57 AM
And you have some very special tennis opportunities. Since Federer hasn't played DC for the last 2-3 years, still "he has been carrying the Swiss team for a decade" and he is 27 now, does it mean that he started playing for the national team of an excellent age of 14?
Huh? Federer played Davis Cup in 2006, 2007, and 2008. FYI, that would be the last 3 years. Look it up.

Gen
03-10-2009, 02:58 AM
Is that your response for Nadal skipping out of all of those Davis Cup ties throughout his career?

Why don't you learn something before posting? Nadal is the youngest DC champion in the history of tennis. He played for his team in 2004 when he was 17-18 years old. He played all the important matches (where tough competition was expected) except 2006 when he was out with the foot injury. Last yeat he missed Round 2 where Spain played vs some obscure South Americal team, and Nadal wasn't required. He played Round 2 and semifinals and had to withdraw from the finals because of tendonitis which also kept him away from the Final Championship. It looks as if your blind hatred towards Nadal prevents you from reading even.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 03:06 AM
Why don't you learn something before posting? Nadal is the youngest DC champion in the history of tennis. He played for his team in 2004 when he was 17-18 years old. He played all the important matches (where tough competition was expected) except 2006 when he was out with the foot injury. Last yeat he missed Round 2 where Spain played vs some obscure South Americal team, and Nadal wasn't required. He played Round 2 and semifinals and had to withdraw from the finals because of tendonitis which also kept him away from the Final Championship. It looks as if your blind hatred towards Nadal prevents you from reading even.
Are you referring to yourself? :-?

Oh, and Federer played Davis Cup for Switzerland in 1999, when he was.....wait for it...17 years old! :oops:

And you have some very special tennis opportunities. Since Federer hasn't played DC for the last 2-3 years, still "he has been carrying the Swiss team for a decade" and he is 27 now, does it mean that he started playing for the national team of an excellent age of 14?

Huh? Federer played Davis Cup in 2006, 2007, and 2008. FYI, that would be the last 3 years. Look it up.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 03:09 AM
Why don't you learn something before posting? Nadal is the youngest DC champion in the history of tennis. He played for his team in 2004 when he was 17-18 years old. He played all the important matches (where tough competition was expected) except 2006 when he was out with the foot injury. Last yeat he missed Round 2 where Spain played vs some obscure South Americal team, and Nadal wasn't required. He played Round 2 and semifinals and had to withdraw from the finals because of tendonitis which also kept him away from the Final Championship. It looks as if your blind hatred towards Nadal prevents you from reading even.
So, let me summarize. What you're saying is this?

Summary:

If Fed is injured = fake, liar, worst person on earth, should be banished from this world
If Nadal is injured = true, human, loads of sympathy, everyone should send him a get well card

egn
03-10-2009, 03:40 AM
And you have some very special tennis opportunities. Since Federer hasn't played DC for the last 2-3 years, still "he has been carrying the Swiss team for a decade" and he is 27 now, does it mean that he started playing for the national team of an excellent age of 14?

He has played 05 to 07 as much as NAdal did and he is the only reason his team stayed in the world group.
Decade is 10 years 27-10=17 age fed started playing.

egn
03-10-2009, 03:47 AM
Why don't you learn something before posting? Nadal is the youngest DC champion in the history of tennis. He played for his team in 2004 when he was 17-18 years old. He played all the important matches (where tough competition was expected) except 2006 when he was out with the foot injury. Last yeat he missed Round 2 where Spain played vs some obscure South Americal team, and Nadal wasn't required. He played Round 2 and semifinals and had to withdraw from the finals because of tendonitis which also kept him away from the Final Championship. It looks as if your blind hatred towards Nadal prevents you from reading even.

See our hatred did not spawn such a thread where the OP who had no knowledge of fed and Davis cup attempted to attack him for being injuries. Nadal missed the finals big deal he was injuries none of us care but when people start going someone is unpatriotic and should be like said other person who has missed rounds hell yea we are going to expose that. Our Arguments had factual substance look through the thread more blind fed hatred than nadal especially the first page.

Gen
03-10-2009, 04:09 AM
He has played 05 to 07 as much as NAdal did and he is the only reason his team stayed in the world group.
Decade is 10 years 27-10=17 age fed started playing.

Wikipedia mentions only three Federer's entries to DC (1998, 2001, 2002).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer#2006

There must be another one ca. 3 years ago where he trash-talked Djokovic.

If you can find some positive proof of Federer diligently playing for Switzerland all these years, it will be welcome (this is not a joke).

luckyboy1300
03-10-2009, 06:39 AM
Wikipedia mentions only three Federer's entries to DC (1998, 2001, 2002).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer#2006

There must be another one ca. 3 years ago where he trash-talked Djokovic.

If you can find some positive proof of Federer diligently playing for Switzerland all these years, it will be welcome (this is not a joke).

http://www.daviscup.com/teams/player.asp?player=10019424

Gen
03-10-2009, 06:58 AM
http://www.daviscup.com/teams/player.asp?player=10019424

Thanks. Always thought that this info was available somewhere. Couldn't find though.

veroniquem
03-10-2009, 09:55 AM
Nadal played all four ties in 2004, not three.
In 2005 and 2006, there were only two ties for Spain as they lost in the World Group first round, and Nadal played three of the four. He missed the first round in 2006 due to the foot injury which saw him out of the Australian Open as well.

So it's basically the two ties each in 2007 and 2008 that he was not available, and we all know why he had to pulled out from the last year's final.
The other three ties were:
The first round in 2008 against Peru, which Spain won 5-0.
The first round in 2007 against Switzerland, which Spain won 3-2.
The QF in 2007 against USA which Spain lost 1-4.
I don't remember what were the reason for his withdrawals in those three ties, but I think there were some injury concerns in the 2007 QF. Will appreciate if someone enlightens me.

http://www.daviscup.com/teams/player.asp?Player=100007935
http://www.daviscup.com/teams/teamwinloss.asp?team=ESP


You were given wrong information and maybe you can call Nadal skipping the ties in the above three occasions.
According to the ATP site, he played 3 ties in 2004. Did they make a mistake?

veroniquem
03-10-2009, 10:00 AM
Because you're also a world-class tennis player and need to stay in shape to get back to #1 in the world? :-?
Why? Bad backs do not affect pro tennis players the same way as everybody else? I would think it's worse since they have to strain their back when they serve...

edmondsm
03-10-2009, 10:20 AM
Thanks. Always thought that this info was available somewhere. Couldn't find though.

Wow. You never thought to check DAVISCUP.COM??? How old are you? Just get a computer? Or did you just feel like taking a swipe at my post regardless of whether you had any evidence to back up your "facts".

cottontail
03-10-2009, 11:50 AM
According to the ATP site, he played 3 ties in 2004. Did they make a mistake?
Did you check the doubles results? He played only doubles in QF. ;)

veroniquem
03-10-2009, 11:52 AM
Did you check the doubles results? He played only doubles in QF. ;)
Ah thanks, I hadn't thought about that!

cottontail
03-10-2009, 11:56 AM
You're welcome. :)

OddJack
03-10-2009, 12:01 PM
Roger has himself said you need to be selfish to be successful in your career.
Get it?

Nadal_Freak
03-10-2009, 12:08 PM
I think Fed's not coming to Davis Cup in the last 5 years is related to his ego getting bigger. He used to be different before he dominated. It's all about his game now. He has changed his priorities and maybe everyone saying he is the greatest for so long has been a big part of that change.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 12:43 PM
Why? Bad backs do not affect pro tennis players the same way as everybody else? I would think it's worse since they have to strain their back when they serve...
Which is why Federer served his worst in recent memory in the '09 Aus Open final and thereby lost to Nadal.

Training involves a lot more than serving or even hitting tennis balls. Did you know that pro tennis players do a ton of off-court training regularly? That's hours of training everyday without a racquet in their hand.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 12:45 PM
I think Fed's not coming to Davis Cup in the last 5 years is related to his ego getting bigger. He used to be different before he dominated. It's all about his game now. He has changed his priorities and maybe everyone saying he is the greatest for so long has been a big part of that change.
Really? I thought YOU were the only one saying that Federer is the greatest for so long? :shock:

wordyshaman
03-10-2009, 01:09 PM
Haha, i really hope some of you are trollin'

really, for your sakes

veroniquem
03-10-2009, 01:11 PM
Which is why Federer served his worst in recent memory in the '09 Aus Open final and thereby lost to Nadal.

Training involves a lot more than serving or even hitting tennis balls. Did you know that pro tennis players do a ton of off-court training regularly? That's hours of training everyday without a racquet in their hand.
The rumor is that "he's been hitting balls with Cahill". How can he do that without a racquet in his hands? :shock:

wordyshaman
03-10-2009, 01:12 PM
Weird Federer played Davis CUp in 2001 and went 3-1 they got bounced early for lack of teammates with ability to play competently.
2002- 4-0 they got bounced first round but he helped them win the playoffs so they could stay in the main draw.
2003- 5-1..lead them to the semifinals
2004- 4-0..no teammates
2005- 1-0 wins his play off misses 1R match .
2006- 2-0 believe they were out of main draw not sure but wins play off matches
2007 - 2-0
2008 - 1-0 wins play off to get them back into main draw

So singles wise he is 22-2 in davis cup play since 2001..

Doubles performances
2006- 1-0
2007- 0-1
2008- 1-0 wins play off to get them back in

In Feds 4 years as number 1 Yves Allgero was way down on the decline and their was nobody else in Swiss pool that could help. Fed played in 2004 and 07 but in 05 and 06 his two peak years not much could be said. Fed was going to deep and playing 90+ matches a year flying to god knows where to play a davis cup match where he would win his 2 and lose 2-3 was rough. He does not blow Switzerland off and hell he played all those playoffs to get them back into it, but the first round is so early in the year.

Oh Nadal_Freak tell me about Nadal's davis cup activity prior to 2008. Please share me it.

Outside of 3-1 in 2004 where he played semis and finals from 05-07 He played less Davis CUp than Federer and Spain actually had good players. All they needed was that great player and they could have won more. So where was he than? Oh right focusing on his career...kind of like Fed was doing? Fed played prior to be ranked number 1 and during it there was nobody to help him. So now that he is sick we are supposed to go he is selfish when he has a 25-6 record in singles overall and a 10-5 record in doubles. He is combined 35-11 in Davis Cup play..He is better than the quote unquote Andy Roddick who thrives for the Davis cup who is 30-11. 30/41<25/31 Fed has less appearances because his team was not strong enough to make good runs. He missed this year, but lets see next year before you call him selfish. Nadal completely skipped 2007 when the struggling Spanish could have used him the most.

THIS. end of thread.

tahiti
03-10-2009, 01:19 PM
I think Fed's not coming to Davis Cup in the last 5 years is related to his ego getting bigger. He used to be different before he dominated. It's all about his game now. He has changed his priorities and maybe everyone saying he is the greatest for so long has been a big part of that change.

Pretty hard not to get an ego when you're that good. Even if he has had one though, it's certainly an unegotistical thing to do by crying at the Australian Open. An overflated ego would have just played cool and not given a damn.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 01:53 PM
The rumor is that "he's been hitting balls with Cahill". How can he do that without a racquet in his hands? :shock:
Do you even play tennis? I can hit tennis balls without moving or straining my back at all. It didn't say he was playing competitive matches against Cahill. :-?

veroniquem
03-10-2009, 01:57 PM
Do you even play tennis? I can hit tennis balls without moving or straining my back at all. It didn't say he was playing competitive matches against Cahill. :-?
But you said hours of training "without a racquet in their hands", hence my question, how does he hit balls with Cahill WITHOUT A RACQUET IN HIS HANDS? It was kind of a joke really, I get your point ;-)

egn
03-10-2009, 02:55 PM
I think Fed's not coming to Davis Cup in the last 5 years is related to his ego getting bigger. He used to be different before he dominated. It's all about his game now. He has changed his priorities and maybe everyone saying he is the greatest for so long has been a big part of that change.

He did show up just not to the 1st round. Really it is the Davis Cup scheduling that caused the biggest problem. Fed had tons of points to defend and Davis Cup would take out rest time. I think the ultimate problem with Davis CUp is it still does not fit smoothly into the schedule. Atp needs to take over it or work with the ITF to schedule it better.

BreakPoint
03-10-2009, 03:06 PM
But you said hours of training "without a racquet in their hands", hence my question, how does he hit balls with Cahill WITHOUT A RACQUET IN HIS HANDS? It was kind of a joke really, I get your point ;-)
He's Federer. He can do anything. I'd bet he can beat just about anyone on this board even WITHOUT a racquet in his hands. ;) LOL

egn
03-10-2009, 03:09 PM
He's Federer. He can do anything. I'd bet he can beat just about anyone on this board even WITHOUT a racquet in his hands. ;) LOL

Chuck Norris can beat Roger Federer at tennis blindfolded with no hands.

MrBen
03-11-2009, 02:12 AM
Well he did say he was injured.....but maybe he is simply selfish

Gen
03-11-2009, 06:14 AM
Do you even play tennis? I can hit tennis balls without moving or straining my back at all. It didn't say he was playing competitive matches against Cahill. :-?

Sorry, BP. Maybe it depends how badly your back is affected. Having a comparatively mild back injury (inflicted by the blooming serve), I couldn't do anything tenniswise for about 3 months.

edmondsm
03-11-2009, 09:29 AM
I think Fed's not coming to Davis Cup in the last 5 years is related to his ego getting bigger. He used to be different before he dominated. It's all about his game now. He has changed his priorities and maybe everyone saying he is the greatest for so long has been a big part of that change.

Geezuz, when are they gonna ban you for this crap?

sureshs
03-11-2009, 10:25 AM
Peter Bodo is speculating in his blog how come Fed was hitting with Cahill in Dubai while not being able to play DC. He of course points out for the record that matches exert more toll, to present a balanced picture, wink wink.

Fed is perfectly well. He has even landed up early in IW to hit. He didn't play Davis Cup because it is not his priority. He didn't lose the AO because of back pain.

All this talk about patriotism consisting of playing for your country is nonsense. Many players reside outside their countries for tax purposes or training. Many coaches work with foreign players or set up academies in foreign countries. Only the fans who misbehave by booing the opponent after consuming too many drinks bother about such things.

SoCal10s
03-11-2009, 10:39 AM
Davis cup is a very emotional taxing event,it's also a 3 out of 5 set matches and needs to play at least twice ,with very little rest... if you play at home it's a bit easier ,but if you have to travel,it's not that easy if you're expected to win all the matches...

devila
03-11-2009, 11:33 AM
There are naive DC fans who think their top 10 faves have no chance at all to win
Slams. That's why they overrate DC's importance.
Fed, depends on media a s s-screwing to bring himself shameless belief and arrogant,
unrealistic goals. He blatantly lies to gain sympathy.
It backfires on his own face.

Isn't he playing DOUBLES with Allegro in Indian Wells?:oops:
He predicted "a risky DC participation", yet he's playing singles and doubles
in 2 AMERICAN tournies.