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ESP#1
03-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Looking at the Indian Wells draw i see some great match ups and potential classics. I'm looking forward to some great tennis!!!!:)

CanadianChic
03-10-2009, 08:08 PM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=249162

My prediction is on post #93. ;)

Spider
03-10-2009, 08:12 PM
I think it depends on which Murray decides to show up. If he has fully healed, I would put him as a joint favorite with Nadal to win this title. Djokovic will be slightly behind them as a favorite.

There is no way Federer ever beats Murray again, time has passed by for Federer to do that. But if Murray is unfit with sickness then thats Federer's best chance to beat him.

ESP#1
03-10-2009, 08:16 PM
Nadal has a tough draw, if Nalby shows up it might be a short stay in the sunshine state

thalivest
03-10-2009, 08:18 PM
Nadal's draw is just fine. Nalbandian the indoor specialist cant beat an in form Nadal anywhere except an indoor court I am pretty sure, and even then it would be alot closer than 2007. I have said it before, Nalbandian is very good and definitely talented but way overrated on this forum.

ESP#1
03-10-2009, 08:19 PM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=249162

My prediction is on post #93. ;)

I respect your tennis knowledge to the fullest and I hate to be the one to break it to you but Roddick is not winning IW

ESP#1
03-10-2009, 08:25 PM
Nadal's draw is just fine. Nalbandian the indoor specialist cant beat an in form Nadal anywhere except an indoor court I am pretty sure, and even then it would be alot closer than 2007. I have said it before, Nalbandian is very good and definitely talented but way overrated on this forum.

Overrated as he may be the h2h scores speak for themselves. If you wouldve seen in what ease he beat Nadal both times maybe you'd agree

thalivest
03-10-2009, 08:29 PM
Overrated as he may be the h2h scores speak for themselves. If you wouldve seen in what ease he beat Nadal both times maybe you'd agree

The head to head means next to nothing to me regarding Nalbandian's chances if they were to play here for alot of reasons:

1. Both matches were on indoor surface, by far Nalbandian's best surface as it is the only one he has won significant titles or beaten Federer since 2003 on. Also by far Nadal's worst surface.

2. It was during the best month of tennis of Nalbandian's career.

3. The matches were before Nadal took his game on medium-fast surfaces and all hard court related surfaces to a much higher level.

4. Nalbandian has gone into further decline and further past his prime since 2007.

I am not worried about Nalbandian in the least here. I love Nadal's draw all around.

ESP#1
03-10-2009, 08:30 PM
The potential Davydenko Verdasco match seems interesting or maybe even a Verdasco Federer, i guess we will see if Verdasco has what it takes to be a top ten player

CanadianChic
03-10-2009, 08:31 PM
Not liking the draw. Looks to be very favoritable to Fed and rough for Nadal.

Like every draw for the past 5 years or so?


^^^This wee exchange had me literally fighting to not spit out my soda. :lol:

I respect your tennis knowledge to the fullest and I hate to be the one to break it to you but Roddick is not winning IW

Thank you andI respect yours. I really like Roddick both on and off the court and normally would automatically slot Fed and Nadal into the final slots but I have an inkling he just may have a chance. He has a pretty decent draw, Nadal is still recovering (although you couldn't tell during Davis) and Fed's confidence is still shaky. With all the effort Roddick has put into his fitness I think this is the right time for him to make a play. We'll have to wait and see. :)

thalivest
03-10-2009, 08:34 PM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=249162

My prediction is on post #93. ;)

So the 4 semifinalists are going to somehow all come out of the same half of the draw, and the two semifinalists will both feature guys playing someone in their own quarter. :confused:

maverick66
03-10-2009, 08:34 PM
The potential Davydenko Verdasco match seems interesting or maybe even a Verdasco Federer, i guess we will see if Verdasco has what it takes to be a top ten player

im with you. its only fun to see fed nadal in finals of majors. its nice to see some of the other guys win. i would love to see davydenko get back into form and win a big tournament.

ESP#1
03-10-2009, 08:38 PM
The head to head means next to nothing to me regarding Nalbandian's chances if they were to play here for alot of reasons:

1. Both matches were on indoor surface, by far Nalbandian's best surface as it is the only one he has won significant titles or beaten Federer since 2003 on. Also by far Nadal's worst surface.

2. It was during the best month of tennis of Nalbandian's career.

3. The matches were before Nadal took his game on medium-fast surfaces and all hard court related surfaces to a much higher level.

4. Nalbandian has gone into further decline and further past his prime since 2007.

I am not worried about Nalbandian in the least here. I love Nadal's draw all around.

Relax bro i'm with you, i'd love to see my countryman go all the way, Nalby probably won't even make it that far, i'm just stating the facts: if Nalby is on we could see Nadal going home early, his game gives Nadal trouble, he hits the ball early and takes time away from Nadal,

Im as much a Nadal fan as anyone else, i'm just being objective

CanadianChic
03-10-2009, 08:39 PM
So the 4 semifinalists are going to somehow all come out of the same half of the draw, and the two semifinalists will both feature guys playing someone in their own quarter. :confused:

Thanks for the head's up. I meant Nadal vs. Roddick and Federer against Murray. Sorry, it's been a long day.

thalivest
03-10-2009, 08:42 PM
Relax bro i'm with you, i'd love to see my countryman go all the way, Nalby probably won't even make it that far, i'm just stating the facts: if Nalby is on we could see Nadal going home early, his game gives Nadal trouble, he hits the ball early and takes time away from Nadal,

Im as much a Nadal fan as anyone else, i'm just being objective

You are entitled your opinion, I am just saying I completely disagree with you in this case. If you feel Nalbandian is a threat here then fine, I dont and I explained why i dont.

I consider myself an objective Nadal fan, and I think most posters here do as well. Nalbandian and Safin are just two players I find while very talented and noted underachivers I have always found are given this inflated mystique as if they are always capable of even more than they really are, especialy now that both are past their best before date (even moreso Safin).

If others are worried then fine. I absolutely love Nadal's draw to atleast the semis, that is all I will say.

ESP#1
03-11-2009, 05:32 AM
I like the potential Lu vs Simon match, think Lu might pull an upset, he seems to raise his game against top players(at least the few times i've seem him)

rubberduckies
03-11-2009, 05:44 AM
Potential 2nd round matches:

Kevin Anderson v Nadal
Gonzalez v Hewitt rematch
Monfils v Isner
Andreev v God
Querrey v Stepanek

I'm always intrigued by monster servers like Isner and Anderson going up against top players. Karlovic too, but he has sorta become a top player himself.

ESP#1
03-11-2009, 05:52 AM
Would love to see a Murray Cilic match, it think Cilic is in there with a chance

icedevil0289
03-11-2009, 06:01 AM
The head to head means next to nothing to me regarding Nalbandian's chances if they were to play here for alot of reasons:

1. Both matches were on indoor surface, by far Nalbandian's best surface as it is the only one he has won significant titles or beaten Federer since 2003 on. Also by far Nadal's worst surface.

2. It was during the best month of tennis of Nalbandian's career.

3. The matches were before Nadal took his game on medium-fast surfaces and all hard court related surfaces to a much higher level.

4. Nalbandian has gone into further decline and further past his prime since 2007.

I am not worried about Nalbandian in the least here. I love Nadal's draw all around.

I agree. I don't think nalbandian will be a huge problem for nadal.

Nadal_Freak
03-11-2009, 06:03 AM
Nalbandian is a horrible matchup for Nadal. Two things that really trouble Nadal are great two-handed backhands and taking the ball early. Nalbandian excels at both. Nadal will feel rushed for most the match. It's on hardcourt as well. Ouch. Monfils is also very tough. Then you got Murray in the Semis. Nadal couldn't have asked for a tougher draw.

icedevil0289
03-11-2009, 06:10 AM
Nalbandian is a horrible matchup for Nadal. Two things that really trouble Nadal are great two-handed backhands and taking the ball early. Nalbandian excels at both. Nadal will feel rushed for most the match. It's on hardcourt as well. Ouch. Monfils is also very tough. Then you got Murray in the Semis. Nadal couldn't have asked for a tougher draw.

isn't murray in fed's half? Fed potentially has to deal with simon and murray, who both have a winning record over fed, as well as karlovic. The head to head indicates that fed should win over karlovic, but their last meeting karlovic won. He might also have to deal with verdasco, who was on fire during AO. I'm not saying nadal's draw is a piece of cake either, but neither is fed's. I don't think nadal will have that much of a problem with nalbandian. Someone else mentioned that the two times nalbandian beat nadal was indoor, and that is nadal's worst surface. I believe IW is a slow hardcourt and nadal has definitely improved from the last time he and nalbandian faced him, so I would favor nadal in that match.

Zaragoza
03-11-2009, 06:10 AM
Nadal has a tough draw, if Nalby shows up it might be a short stay in the sunshine state

That's if Nalbandian also shows up to beat Berdych or Youzhny.
Nadal and Federer have average draws. Djokovic got the toughest draw of all the top 4.

Nadal_Freak
03-11-2009, 06:28 AM
isn't murray in fed's half? Fed potentially has to deal with simon and murray, who both have a winning record over fed, as well as karlovic. The head to head indicates that fed should win over karlovic, but their last meeting karlovic won. He might also have to deal with verdasco, who was on fire during AO. I'm not saying nadal's draw is a piece of cake either, but neither is fed's. I don't think nadal will have that much of a problem with nalbandian. Someone else mentioned that the two times nalbandian beat nadal was indoor, and that is nadal's worst surface. I believe IW is a slow hardcourt and nadal has definitely improved from the last time he and nalbandian faced him, so I would favor nadal in that match.
Neither Murray or Simon is in Fed's side. Do you know how to read draws? The left side is Nadal's side and the right side is Fed's.

random guy
03-11-2009, 06:34 AM
Neither Murray or Simon is in Fed's side. Do you know how to read draws? The left side is Nadal's side and the right side is Fed's.

MMmmm, I think that you got it wrong (to point this politely). The first page of the draw is nadal's half, the second page is Fed's. That's why they have the "top half finalist" "bottom half finalist" boxes.

icedevil0289
03-11-2009, 06:36 AM
Neither Murray or Simon is in Fed's side. Do you know how to read draws? The left side is Nadal's side and the right side is Fed's.

[1] Nadal vs BYE
Anderson vs Q
Q vs Garcia-Lopez
BYE vs [26] Tursunov

[21] Berdych vs BYE
Youzhny vs Troicki
Q vs Q
BYE vs [14] Nalbandian

[9] Monfils vs BYE
Isner vs C Rochus
Massu vs Schwank
BYE vs [24] Safin

[30] Melzer vs BYE
Dent vs Junqueira
Odesnik vs Sweeting
BYE vs [6] Del Potro


[3] Djokovic vs BYE
Vassallo Arguello vs Q
Hernandez vs Haas
BYE vs [29] Schuettler

[18] Stepanek vs BYE
Querrey vs Canas
Chela vs Seppi
BYE vs [16] Wawrinka

[12] Ferrer vs BYE
Q vs Navarro
Hanescu vs Chardy
BYE vs [20] Fish

[31] Kiefer vs BYE
Reynolds vs Fognini
Q vs Zverev
BYE vs [7] Roddick

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[8] Simon vs BYE
Lu vs Q
Ljubicic vs Nishikori
BYE vs [28] Ancic

[22] Andreev vs BYE
Q vs Gulbis
Gabashvili vs Acasuso
BYE vs [11] Tsonga

[15] Robredo vs BYE
Spadea vs Kunitsyn
Darcis vs Granollers
BYE vs [19] Cilic

[32] Mathieu vs BYE
Starace vs Gremelmayr
Montanes vs Serra
BYE vs [4] Murray


[5] Davydenko vs BYE
Benneteau vs Kohlschreiber
Lapentti vs Q
BYE vs [25] Soderling

[23] Gasquet vs BYE
Lopez vs Llodra
Q vs Tipsarevic
BYE vs [10] Verdasco

[13] Blake vs BYE
Devilder vs Nieminen
Hewitt vs Hernych
BYE vs [17] Gonzalez

[27] Karlovic vs BYE
Stakhovsky vs Q
Gicquel vs Bolelli
BYE vs [2] Federer
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it looks like murray and simon are in fed's half and based on the posts where people are saying fed has to deal with murray in the semifinal, it looks like murray and simon are in fed's half. I mean, I could be wrong, but based on what everyone else is saying and looking at the draw, I think I'm right.

tahiti
03-11-2009, 06:45 AM
Nadal_Freak, I'm not sure where you read the draw in length or broad pdf form but the other posters are correct. Take a look again.

I'm going for Roddick and Nadal in SFs with Tsonga and Fed in the other. I think QFs will include Del potro, Verdasco, Murray and Djoko. But that sounds too perfect with all the seeds up there...Hmmmmmm Rafa has a good draw though. It seems being no. 1 often gets a better draw. He always seemed to have Djokovic or Murray in his side of the draw.

Nadal_Freak
03-11-2009, 06:48 AM
Nadal_Freak, I'm not sure where you read the draw in length or broad pdf form but the other posters are correct. Take a look again.

I'm going for Roddick and Nadal in SFs with Tsonga and Fed in the other. I think QFs will include Del potro, Verdasco, Murray and Djoko. But that sounds too perfect with all the seeds up there...Hmmmmmm Rafa has a good draw though. It seems being no. 1 often gets a better draw. He always seemed to have Djokovic or Murray in his side of the draw.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/1/posting/2009/404/mds.pdf

Nadal_Freak
03-11-2009, 06:52 AM
Nevermind. They made the draw real confusing. They put the top half on the top page rather then keeping them aligned for the final. I guess Djokovic is an easier matchup for Nadal.

gj011
03-11-2009, 06:59 AM
Nadal_Freak, I'm not sure where you read the draw in length or broad pdf form but the other posters are correct. Take a look again.

I'm going for Roddick and Nadal in SFs with Tsonga and Fed in the other. I think QFs will include Del potro, Verdasco, Murray and Djoko. But that sounds too perfect with all the seeds up there...Hmmmmmm Rafa has a good draw though. It seems being no. 1 often gets a better draw. He always seemed to have Djokovic or Murray in his side of the draw.

What do you mean? #1 will always have either #3 or #4 in his side of the draw.

Nadal_freak you read the draw wrong. Djokovic is in Nadal's half, but I agree that yet again Federer got the easiest draw.

Novak's draw is not bad. Stepanek is in form and I expect he would be the biggest challenge until Nadal. Djokovic will dispose Roddick easily if temperature is less than 40 C, although Ferrer might stop Roddick before that.

ESP#1
03-11-2009, 07:24 AM
That's if Nalbandian also shows up to beat Berdych or Youzhny.
Nadal and Federer have average draws. Djokovic got the toughest draw of all the top 4.

I made this point earlier myself, i guess we will see:)

tahiti
03-11-2009, 07:36 AM
What do you mean? #1 will always have either #3 or #4 in his side of the draw.



I've been watching Nadal's draw for a while. When he was no 2 for a long while he so often had Djoko and Murray in his half. Murray was not always no. 4.

tahiti
03-11-2009, 07:39 AM
Nevermind. They made the draw real confusing. They put the top half on the top page rather then keeping them aligned for the final. I guess Djokovic is an easier matchup for Nadal.

Try this one Nadal_Freak. The bracket challenge one has it all listed on one side on the left. You can also enter your predictions for free and take a chance at winning a free VIP trip to a tournament. Fun to play. :)
http://challenge.atpworldtour.com/

edmondsm
03-11-2009, 07:55 AM
I respect your tennis knowledge to the fullest and I hate to be the one to break it to you but Roddick is not winning IW

Roddick looks like he's got a pretty kind draw. Djokovic has been pretty tame this season (outside of Dubai, which he kind of won by default). I give Roddick a good chance of reaching the semis.

edmondsm
03-11-2009, 07:58 AM
Nevermind. They made the draw real confusing. They put the top half on the top page rather then keeping them aligned for the final. I guess Djokovic is an easier matchup for Nadal.

This is how they've always done the draws for IW and Miami.

P_Agony
03-11-2009, 08:51 AM
Nalbandian is a horrible matchup for Nadal. Two things that really trouble Nadal are great two-handed backhands and taking the ball early. Nalbandian excels at both. Nadal will feel rushed for most the match. It's on hardcourt as well. Ouch. Monfils is also very tough. Then you got Murray in the Semis. Nadal couldn't have asked for a tougher draw.

I'm glad. Federer deserves an MS title after not winning one since 2007. I agree Nadal has a tough draw, no doubt. But Fed has some tough guys in there too. Nalbandian is past his prime, I actually think Nadal will have no trouble with him unless Nalbandian is on fire (he rarely is these days).

Fed still has to worry about Murray though, and possibly a red hot Verdasco.

P_Agony
03-11-2009, 09:07 AM
What do you mean? #1 will always have either #3 or #4 in his side of the draw.

Nadal_freak you read the draw wrong. Djokovic is in Nadal's half, but I agree that yet again Federer got the easiest draw.

Novak's draw is not bad. Stepanek is in form and I expect he would be the biggest challenge until Nadal. Djokovic will dispose Roddick easily if temperature is less than 40 C, although Ferrer might stop Roddick before that.

Sure, even if Nadal got Sera in the semi-final and Fed will have to deal with Verdasco, Simon and Murray one after another, you'd still say Nadal has the tougher draw. It's called being a fanyboy.

gj011
03-11-2009, 09:10 AM
Sure, even if Nadal got Sera in the semi-final and Fed will have to deal with Verdasco, Simon and Murray one after another, you'd still say Nadal has the tougher draw. It's called being a fanyboy.

LOL I am now Nadal fanboy. :roll:

Just look again at the draw. Federer's quarter is the easiest one.

gj011
03-11-2009, 09:12 AM
I'm glad. Federer deserves an MS title after not winning one since 2007. I agree Nadal has a tough draw, no doubt. But Fed has some tough guys in there too. Nalbandian is past his prime, I actually think Nadal will have no trouble with him unless Nalbandian is on fire (he rarely is these days).

Fed still has to worry about Murray though, and possibly a red hot Verdasco.

Nobody "deserves" any title. You have to win it on the court.

SoCal10s
03-11-2009, 09:20 AM
all you Fed haters should take your show on the road.R-Fed always have the easier draw.. my goodness..

P_Agony
03-11-2009, 09:49 AM
LOL I am now Nadal fanboy. :roll:

Just look again at the draw. Federer's quarter is the easiest one.

Sure, Verdasco, who was very close to beat your man Nadal back in the AO, is an easy draw. Add to that Murray/Simon in the semi-final, and a possible Karlovic match (Who beat Fed the last time they played). Nobody would call that an easy draw, nobody but a Nadal fanboy. I admit Nadal has a tough draw of his own, but calling Federer's draw easy is a joke.

gj011
03-11-2009, 10:02 AM
Sure, Verdasco, who was very close to beat your man Nadal back in the AO, is an easy draw. Add to that Murray/Simon in the semi-final, and a possible Karlovic match (Who beat Fed the last time they played). Nobody would call that an easy draw, nobody but a Nadal fanboy. I admit Nadal has a tough draw of his own, but calling Federer's draw easy is a joke.

You are being funny calling Nadal "my man" :)

Karlovic is out of form, just got beaten by 400+ player in Dubai, Davydenko is by far weakest 5-8 seed ATM since he is just coming back from injury, and he is a *******. Blake is a ******* too, the OI win was a fluke. Gasquet and Gonzales can be tough but not tougher than players in other quarters. Verdasco is biggest threat but he was also recently injured.

Anyway, I am saying again, Federer's quarter is easiest and that is a fair unbiased statement.

I also didn't complain about Djokovic's draw and said that it is not too bad.

random guy
03-11-2009, 10:04 AM
LOL I am now Nadal fanboy. :roll:

Just look again at the draw. Federer's quarter is the easiest one.

Well, Federer's quarter is the easiest one, but for a very tiny, slight margin (Karlovic in second round, Gonzalez are not a walk in the park either, Blake is the only one which sadly, is like a walkover for Fed) After that is pretty much the same for everyone, so I have to say that is a pretty balanced draw. And you have to add that there's no such thing as an easy draw for current form Federer.

random guy
03-11-2009, 10:05 AM
You are being funny calling Nadal "my man" :)

Karlovic is out of form, just got beaten by 400+ player in Dubai, Davidenko is by far weakest 5-8 seed ATM since he is just coming back from injury. Verdasco is biggest threat but he was also recently injured, Blake is a *******, the OI win was a fluke. Gasquet and Gonzales can be tough but not tougher than players in other quarters.

Anyway, I am saying again, Federer's quarter is easiest and that is a fair unbiased statement.

I also didn't complain about Djokovic's draw and said that it is not too bad.

Stop being such a Nadal fanboy gj! lol :)

tahiti
03-11-2009, 10:11 AM
It could be Murray or Tsonga that Fed must face & Tsonga is no easy task. Rafa has a chance that Del Potro will take out Monfils. So the real testing would only really begin with SF. I'm confident Rafa will defend his points.

NamRanger
03-11-2009, 10:16 AM
Nalbandian is a horrible matchup for Nadal. Two things that really trouble Nadal are great two-handed backhands and taking the ball early. Nalbandian excels at both. Nadal will feel rushed for most the match. It's on hardcourt as well. Ouch. Monfils is also very tough. Then you got Murray in the Semis. Nadal couldn't have asked for a tougher draw.


Nalbandian also has an excessive amount of weight on him. He's not going to beat Nadal.

devila
03-11-2009, 10:20 AM
Even John McEnroe has a better chance of beating Federer than Blake does.
That didn't stop his Captain bro Pat from clinging on to Blake.
Lmao at desperate Fed fans who call another Fed sympathizer a Nadal man.
The quicker Federer loses, the more fun tennis will be. What a disaster...after the 5 years of easy draws for Arrogant Control Freak, even before the year 2004!

seffina
03-11-2009, 10:31 AM
Murray has the toughest draw. Then Djokovic. Nadal and Federer are even. Federer's is tougher depending on how Verdasco is doing. He might have enough to stop Roger from reaching the semis. I don't think Nalby or Del Potro have enough to stop 2009 Nadal from reaching the semis.

Both Novak and Murray have plenty of people that could possibly stop them. Murray is very good in best of three, so he'll do well, but they have some of the current hottest players in their draws including Stepanek, Cilic, Tsonga (especially Tsonga) and Roddick.

Either way it adds up to one excellent tournament.

P_Agony
03-11-2009, 10:36 AM
Even John McEnroe has a better chance of beating Federer than Blake does.
That didn't stop his Captain bro Pat from clinging on to Blake.
Lmao at desperate Fed fans who call another Fed sympathizer a Nadal man.
The quicker Federer loses, the more fun tennis will be. What a disaster...after the 5 years of easy draws for Arrogant Control Freak, even before the year 2004!

Apparently you don't like tennis...

P_Agony
03-11-2009, 10:42 AM
You are being funny calling Nadal "my man" :)

Karlovic is out of form, just got beaten by 400+ player in Dubai, Davydenko is by far weakest 5-8 seed ATM since he is just coming back from injury, and he is a *******. Blake is a ******* too, the OI win was a fluke. Gasquet and Gonzales can be tough but not tougher than players in other quarters. Verdasco is biggest threat but he was also recently injured.

Anyway, I am saying again, Federer's quarter is easiest and that is a fair unbiased statement.

I also didn't complain about Djokovic's draw and said that it is not too bad.

Karlovic was never in-form. He is just a great server and has a good touch at the net. He gives everybody trouble. Nadal couldn't break hs serve and was lucky to get away with two tiebreaks back at Queens. Federer lost to him the last time they met. I see Karlovic as dangerous to Federer as Monfils is to Nadal. If Verdasco shows even half the form he's shown in Australia, Federer will have a lot of trouble. Davydenko and Blake, while *******s, are very tough matches and if you recall Blake beat Federer the last time they met (maybe it was a fluke, but he still got the W). Gasquet and Gonzales are about equal to Nalbandian and Safin, perhaps even more dangerous than the latter. Djokovic has the easiest draw of the bunch, and I say Nadal and Federer are equal up until the semis, and then Federer has the tougher draw (IMO Murray > Djokovic).

Clydey2times
03-11-2009, 10:44 AM
Murray has the toughest draw. Then Djokovic. Nadal and Federer are even. Federer's is tougher depending on how Verdasco is doing. He might have enough to stop Roger from reaching the semis. I don't think Nalby or Del Potro have enough to stop 2009 Nadal from reaching the semis.

Both Novak and Murray have plenty of people that could possibly stop them. Murray is very good in best of three, so he'll do well, but they have some of the current hottest players in their draws including Stepanek, Cilic, Tsonga (especially Tsonga) and Roddick.

Either way it adds up to one excellent tournament.

He's also very good in best of 5. He has only played in two majors since he went on a tear and he reached the final of one of those.

The only player in Murray's quarter who can realistically beat him is Tsonga (that's assuming Murray isn't still sick).

Mungo73
03-11-2009, 12:37 PM
Fed draw is a joke, he has Murray in his half but Murray has mono

Gugafan
03-11-2009, 01:23 PM
Fed draw is a joke, he has Murray in his half but Murray has mono

Murray has undertaken blood tests and been cleared of mono. He is carrying a virus though and may not be 100%.

Fed could play anyone of Blake/Gonzo or Hewitt in the 4th rd and then Davydenko/Verdasco in the Quarters....Some dangerous hard court players..though Verdasco would be the biggest threat to him based on form.

henryshli
03-11-2009, 01:45 PM
LOL I am now Nadal fanboy. :roll:

Just look again at the draw. Federer's quarter is the easiest one.


No real threat in Nadal's quater at all. Del Potro, Berdych and Safin were all in Federer's draw at the AO and got dispatched - no doubt Nadal fans said Federer had the easier draw then.

icedevil0289
03-11-2009, 01:48 PM
No real threat in Nadal's quater at all. Del Potro, Berdych and Safin were all in Federer's draw at the AO and got dispatched - no doubt Nadal fans said Federer had the easier draw then.

both fan bases always go on about how the other player has the easier draw. I think they are both fair this time.

henryshli
03-11-2009, 01:49 PM
and the bottom half is ridiculous compare to the top half.

henryshli
03-11-2009, 01:49 PM
both fan bases always go on about how the other player has the easier draw. I think they are both fair this time.

Totally agree:)

Parabolica
03-11-2009, 06:26 PM
I'm not really sure how some of you are reading the draws but its quite obvious that Nadals quarter is quite easy. There is no one in that quarter who will beat Nadal. Monfils and Del Potro have no chance. If he makes it through, he faces Djoko or Roddick and he can beat both easily.

Fed has one world beater and thats Verdasco. Karlovic maybe but he has to play the match of his life. If he makes it through, he may have to face Murray. So in my mind, he has 2 top players in his half.

Murray may have the toughest draw but he should (#4) and it's not like he will face all of them.

Dyokovics draw is fairly easy for him. His toughest challenge may come from Roddick who is in much better form lately. I dont see anyone else beating Dyok in his quarter.

SaintClaires
03-11-2009, 06:28 PM
Come on Gulbis...this is your year!!!!!!!!:(:twisted::evil::)

Nadal_Freak
03-11-2009, 06:29 PM
Nadal beating Djokovic easy on hardcourts is something new for me. Every match has been highly contested or Djokovic blowing Nadal out. You would have to go back to Indian Wells 2007 for the last easy win for Nadal against Djokovic. I still can't see Nalbandian being easy either. Matchups are very important with Nadal.

thalivest
03-11-2009, 06:51 PM
Nadal beating Djokovic easy on hardcourts is something new for me. Every match has been highly contested or Djokovic blowing Nadal out. You would have to go back to Indian Wells 2007 for the last easy win for Nadal against Djokovic. I still can't see Nalbandian being easy either. Matchups are very important with Nadal.

I see what you are saying for sure. The thing is Nadal has been continously getting better on hard courts ever since after his incredible clay-grass season of last year ended. Djokovic has been getting progressively worse since around that same point. Last year at this very event Nadal was getting killed by Djokovic. By last summer Djokovic played one of his best hard court matches of the last 8 months at the Olympics and still wasnt enough to beat Nadal. So alot has changed since about a year ago.

As for Nalbandian he is clearly past his prime at this point. His great 2007 ending was kind of like a last hurrah for him. He is more inconsistent than ever and even those tournaments he gets into form for he still isnt as great as his hot spurts used to be, evidenced by the fact even those few key tournaments he was in form for last year he still didnt win any of- Monte Carlo (lost to Federer in 3 but easily in the last 2 sets), Queens (was murdered by Djokovic), Basel (lost in 2 sets to Federer), Paris (lost in the final to Tsonga). Yes in his prime he is a bad "matchup" for Nadal, despite that Nadal is a superior player than a prime Nalbandian on every surface except indoors, but now he that he is clearly past his prime I doubt he is even a tough enough matchup any longer.

SaintClaires
03-11-2009, 06:52 PM
I see what you are saying for sure. The thing is Nadal has been continously getting better on hard courts ever since after his incredible clay-grass season of last year ended. Djokovic has been getting progressively worse since around that same point. Last year at this very event Nadal was getting killed by Djokovic. By last summer Djokovic played one of his best hard court matches of the last 8 months at the Olympics and still wasnt enough to beat Nadal. So alot has changed since about a year ago.

As for Nalbandian he is clearly past his prime at this point. His great 2007 ending was kind of like a last hurrah for him. He is more inconsistent than ever and even those tournaments he gets into form for he still isnt as great as his hot spurts used to be, evidenced by the fact even those few key tournaments he was in form for last year he still didnt win any of- Monte Carlo (lost to Federer in 3 but easily in the last 2 sets), Queens (was murdered by Djokovic), Basel (lost in 2 sets to Federer), Paris (lost in the final to Tsonga). Yes in his prime he is a bad "matchup" for Nadal, despite that Nadal is a superior player than a prime Nalbandian on every surface except indoors, but now he that he is clearly past his prime I doubt he is even a tough enough matchup any longer.

Nalbandian has kind of stopped caring.

ESP#1
03-11-2009, 07:40 PM
I see what you are saying for sure. The thing is Nadal has been continously getting better on hard courts ever since after his incredible clay-grass season of last year ended. Djokovic has been getting progressively worse since around that same point. Last year at this very event Nadal was getting killed by Djokovic. By last summer Djokovic played one of his best hard court matches of the last 8 months at the Olympics and still wasnt enough to beat Nadal. So alot has changed since about a year ago.

As for Nalbandian he is clearly past his prime at this point. His great 2007 ending was kind of like a last hurrah for him. He is more inconsistent than ever and even those tournaments he gets into form for he still isnt as great as his hot spurts used to be, evidenced by the fact even those few key tournaments he was in form for last year he still didnt win any of- Monte Carlo (lost to Federer in 3 but easily in the last 2 sets), Queens (was murdered by Djokovic), Basel (lost in 2 sets to Federer), Paris (lost in the final to Tsonga). Yes in his prime he is a bad "matchup" for Nadal, despite that Nadal is a superior player than a prime Nalbandian on every surface except indoors, but now he that he is clearly past his prime I doubt he is even a tough enough matchup any longer.

No one is saying Nalby is going to win IW, we are just stating that its a bad match up for Nadal and he is still capable of pulling big upsets, i.e a Murray who was arguably the best player at the end of last year, so to dismiss Nalby as not being a threat at all is blasphemy,to me its an interesting match, i'd love to see what kind of adjustments Nadal makes, then again there is a good chance that Nalby doesnt even make it to the quarters

adlis
03-11-2009, 08:16 PM
No one is saying Nalby is going to win IW, we are just stating that its a bad match up for Nadal and he is still capable of pulling big upsets, i.e a Murray who was arguably the best player at the end of last year, so to dismiss Nalby as not being a threat at all is blasphemy,to me its an interesting match, i'd love to see what kind of adjustments Nadal makes, then again there is a good chance that Nalby doesnt even make it to the quarters

fatdave is past his prime pal.

NandoMania
03-12-2009, 02:05 AM
"Indian Wells draw: Nadal, Federer dealt even hands

3/11/09 2:54 AM | Ricky Dimon

The Indian Wells title is up for grabs--at least among a select few--after an apparently even draw throughout all four quarters of the tournament was revealed on Tuesday.

Rafael Nadal (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Rafael_Nadal) and Roger Federer (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Roger_Federer), both returning from recent physical problems, appear to have similar paths through the Masters Series Indian Wells tournament after the BNP Paribas Open draw came out on Tuesday afternoon.

Nadal, who aggravated a knee injury in a Rotterdam loss to Andy Murray (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Andy_Murray) but bounced back to win two singles rubbers in Davis Cup play last weekend, is the top seed as the No. 1 player in the world. He will be a heavy favorite against anyone in his quarter of the draw, but at the same time he is in a section loaded with explosive talents. Either David Nalbandian (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/David_Nalbandian) or Tomas Berdych, who combine for a 5-4 record against Nadal, could present problems in the fourth round. Sixth-seeded Juan Martin Del Potro (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Juan_Martin_Del_Potro) is a potential quarterfinal opponent for the Spaniard, but he could get bounced early if either Gael Monfils (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Gael_Monfils) or Marat Safin (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Marat_Safin) gets hot.

Federer's draw looks tough--but far from impossible--throughout. The world No. 2 could face Ivo Karlovic, who knocked him out in Cincinnati last summer, in the third round. James Blake (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/James_Blake), who stunned Federer at the 2008 Olympics, or Fernando Gonzalez are capable of a fourth-round upset if they are enjoying one of those days in which they go for broke with almost every shot and rarely miss. Nikolay Davydenko (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Nikolay_Davydenko) has only played two tournaments in 2009 due to a foot injury, so Fernando Verdasco (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Fernando_Verdasco)--who has not taken the court since the Australian Open--is Federer's most likely quarterfinal opponent. Verdasco is a new player after last season's Davis Cup heroics and a rigorous off-season training program and he showed it with a semifinal performance Down Under.

Murray, the No. 4 seed, is on a collision course with Federer for the semifinals. He, too, is dealing with his own issues, having been sidelined from Dubai and Davis Cup with a bad virus. The good news for Murray, however, is that he should be able to cruise into the second week of the tournament with no apparent danger until the fourth round. That's when the Scot could run into 20-year-old Marin Cilic (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Marin_Cilic), who already owns two ATP titles this season. One of two Frenchman--either Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Jo-Wilfried_Tsonga) or Gilles Simon (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Gilles_Simon)--could be trouble in the quarterfinals. Murray, for sure, hopes that it will be Simon and not Tsonga.

Novak Djokovic (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Novak_Djokovic) is Nadal's semifinal opponent if the tournament plays out according to seed. The chances of that happening in every single section, however, appear slim; especially given the difficulty of Djokovic's quarter. Radek Stepanek, who has won ATP titles in Brisbane and San Jose so far in 2009 and also came up big last weekend in Davis Cup, could send Djokovic packing in the fourth round. If the Serb survives to reach the quarterfinals, it will probably become even more taxing for him at that point. Both David Ferrer (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/David_Ferrer), who lost to Djokovic in the Dubai final but beat him in straight sets on clay in Davis Cup, and an in-form Andy Roddick are potential quarterfinal opponents. Roddick, who defeated Djokovic (by fourth-set retirement) in Melbourne, recently secured a title in Memphis and won two Davis Cup rubbers against Switzerland last weekend.

Djokovic is the defending Indian Wells champion and he also reached the final a year earlier. Nadal has done no worse than semifinal appearances in thee of his four trips to Indian Wells and he won the title in 2007. Federer won three straight Indian Wells titles between 2004 and 2006 but he has failed to reach the final in each of the past two seasons. Murray has been to Indian Wells three times and made it to the semifinals in 2007, but went out early in both 2006 and 2008."


http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090311/Indian_Wells_draw%3A_Nadal%2C_Federer_dealt_even_h ands

tahiti
03-12-2009, 02:20 AM
True, the H2H is 2-0 in Nalby's favour but those matches were in 2007. It's now 2009 I think Rafa has improved.

ESP#1
03-13-2009, 07:49 PM
We have some pretty good matches at IW tommorow!!!

Andreev vs Gulbis

Gonzo vs Hewitt

Verdasco vs Bellucci

Llodra vs Gasquet

should be a good day to just relax and watch some great tennis:)

SaintClaires
03-13-2009, 07:55 PM
We have some pretty good matches at IW tommorow!!!

Andreev vs Gulbis

Gonzo vs Hewitt

Verdasco vs Bellucci

Llodra vs Gasquet

should be a good day to just relax and watch some great tennis:)

Watch on http://atdhe.net/index.html tomorrow


Come on Gulbis...this is your year! :):)

icedevil0289
03-13-2009, 07:57 PM
Watch on http://atdhe.net/index.html tomorrow


Come on Gulbis...this is your year! :):)

I went on the sight and they have the schedule for tomorrow and it doesn't look like they are showing IW. Maybe I missed it though.

SaintClaires
03-13-2009, 08:01 PM
I went on the sight and they have the schedule for tomorrow and it doesn't look like they are showing IW. Maybe I missed it though.


That's strange...I figured they would show it....


I have watched every single tournament this year on that website. There SHOULD be something for tomorrow. If not, that would REALLY suck. After all, IW is a huge tourny.

ESP#1
03-13-2009, 08:40 PM
Theyll show it no worries

SaintClaires
03-14-2009, 07:41 AM
In 2 hours and 20 minutes Indian Wells will be streaming live!!!!!!!!!!!


http://atdhe.net/index.html


Free live streaming!!!! That's what I'm talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:):):):)

marosmith
03-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Murray beats Nadal in the final, and Federer on the way there.