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vwfye
03-11-2009, 08:12 PM
Today, after I finished coaching my high school team, I was headed for the car when someone from my school approached me. I was asked if I had any use for a tennis racket that had been sitting for years in a closet. I said sure...

Fast forward about 8 minutes and I'm trying everything I can not to get excited. The cover said "Pro Staff"... classic black cover with red and gold striping on it. I figured it was a pro staff cover on someone's old racket. Anyway, I say thank you and head to my office. I opened the cover... top of the racket is pristine! I pull it out... no wear on the racket, strings or grip. And, it is indeed a brand new kevlar PS!!!!!!!

Nice end to a sunny afternoon practice session!

antgun007
03-11-2009, 08:19 PM
possible to post some pics vwfye??

MarrratSafin
03-11-2009, 08:20 PM
Wow, I want something like that too, lucky you.:)

vwfye
03-11-2009, 08:23 PM
i'll try and get a camera to the racket tomorrow... it' still in my office. i want to hit with it!

NoNameZ
03-11-2009, 08:38 PM
:OOOO LUCKYYYY!!! Enjoy my friend, and pass the luck on ;]

vwfye
03-11-2009, 09:26 PM
my new stick says like 12.6 to something for weight. i can't remember the other # does that sound correct?

kimbahpnam
03-11-2009, 09:37 PM
how about paying it forward :)....to me! :)

vwfye
03-11-2009, 09:42 PM
nah, i'm gonna play it tomorrow. i'm curious as to how it will feel compared to the PS 4.2 i use to swing...

jmjmkim
03-11-2009, 11:12 PM
Sweet. . . . . . .

VGP
03-12-2009, 04:21 AM
Nice story.

If you're into scoring some money, I'd recommend NOT using it. If it's as nice as you describe you could score $500+ on e-bay.

If you really want to hit a PS85, you could take some of that money and land yourself one that's not as nice and still put a good amount of cash in your bank account.

VGP
03-12-2009, 04:39 AM
Also, since you're listing weights written on the frame, sounds like it's either a SV or Chicago. If the top of the frame has no bumperguard and it's still pristine, that's a big plus on the collectors' market.

The PS85 is no longer a tennis racket as it is a collectible. Even I'm surprised to see even used recent Chinese made frames are selling for higher than new price prices.

featherlight
03-12-2009, 04:48 AM
any pics.....

Tennis_dude ^_^
03-12-2009, 05:50 AM
wow i guess being a tennis coatch is a rewarding job
nice nice ^_^

vwfye
03-12-2009, 06:43 AM
okay... I'm back with the racket. i had the weight remembered wrong. it says, "11.6-12.3", 1.0-1.5" head light, the buttcap is GOI, there is no head guard bumper, split grommet strip, 3 pairs of grommets at the throat, and it has the cover w/o vents for the grip.

the sticker for the other info is MIA. I just checked the inside of the cover and it isn't there either. but, you can see old glue from the backing.

origmarm
03-12-2009, 07:19 AM
I believe the codes that end in "I" are Chicago codes. Sounds like you have a find!

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1697570&postcount=1

Is where another poster has listed codes and some info. Poster Drakulie will be able to tell you pretty much anything you need to know about this frame if you ask him some questions

Cheers, Orig

vwfye
03-12-2009, 07:20 AM
i took some camera phone pics this morning, but don't know how to post the pics here.

origmarm
03-12-2009, 07:29 AM
i took some camera phone pics this morning, but don't know how to post the pics here.

When you post there is an "Insert Image" button. In the little box that appears you enter the http:// URL of your image. If you have the image on your PC you first need to upload it to a site on the web. Many here use tinypic.com as it is free and easy and there is a "message board" size option. You can then link as above to the image you've uploaded

Cheers, Orig

vwfye
03-12-2009, 07:38 AM
these a rough, i know... but it is what i had available.


http://i44.tinypic.com/sfylon.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/osxrts.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/16lwciq.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/6yh5yx.jpg

VGP
03-12-2009, 07:45 AM
Yeah, you're missing the grip size sticker.....

Pro_Tour_630
03-12-2009, 07:49 AM
that thing is so fake, I will give you 20 bucks for it though :)

origmarm
03-12-2009, 07:50 AM
Very nice, is there anywhere where you can see red primer exposed?

GavinC360
03-12-2009, 07:52 AM
What a great surprise! whether it is real or not, it is still always fun to get something like that!

vwfye
03-12-2009, 07:54 AM
Yeah, you're missing the grip size sticker.....


that's okay... i have to build up the grip to a 4 7/8 anyway. i'll just cover the leather with a few wraps.

vwfye
03-12-2009, 07:55 AM
Very nice, is there anywhere where you can see red primer exposed?

yes, red primer... what does that mean?

origmarm
03-12-2009, 08:06 AM
yes, red primer... what does that mean?

Underneath the paint there is a layer of primer painted on the racquet, for the earlier 6.0 (SV and Chicago I believe only) this primer is red. Often when you get chipped paint on these racquets this red primer is exposed. Often a good way of telling what you've got amongst other things as a lot of the time the code gets worn off the bottom.

Pro_Tour_630
03-12-2009, 08:12 AM
yes, red primer... what does that mean?

it means that it is fake, take the $20 before I change my mind:)

VGP
03-12-2009, 08:16 AM
Here's a link to a wiki page (http://thetenniswiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wilson+Pro+Staff+6.0+Original+Mid+8 5) that I've contributed to on the PS85.....probably more than you'd ever want to know.

vwfye
03-12-2009, 08:44 AM
wow... this racket really has a 'cult' following. i always knew that the people who liked them, liked them... but holy crap!

thanks guys... looks like I've got a Chicago version here. since i don't know any better and have no other PS 6.0 to compare to, i'll just hit it and see if i like it. i use to love my 85sq. inch copper ace because it had some flex and heft, so this will probably be a nice hit.

is is also amazingly close in balance and weight to my built up Mitt 97 now that i've built up the grip.

oh, and how do these respond to a poly hybrid? is it counter productive since the racket is flexible?

vkartikv
03-12-2009, 08:46 AM
wow... this racket really has a 'cult' following. i always knew that the people who liked them, liked them... but holy crap!

thanks guys... looks like I've got a Chicago version here. since i don't know any better and have no other PS 6.0 to compare to, i'll just hit it and see if i like it. i use to love my 85sq. inch copper ace because it had some flex and heft, so this will probably be a nice hit.

is is also amazingly close in balance and weight to my built up Mitt 97 now that i've built up the grip.

oh, and how do these respond to a poly hybrid? is it counter productive since the racket is flexible?

I have found best results from a PS 85 (regardless of the version) with a thin 17g or 18g multifilament string. Polys don't do justice to the capacities of this frame. 60-66 lbs worked best for me but that's because I don't put much spin on the ball. Hope that helps.

vwfye
03-12-2009, 08:52 AM
i've put the poly hybrid in one of my Monos and i hit with them both each session for comparison. i find i love the poly when serving and prefer my Ashway Liberty for every other aspect. the string in the racket is a wilson synth and it is coming out, so i figured i'd see if the hybrid was okay. i've got a bit of it for my players...

origmarm
03-12-2009, 08:53 AM
This frame implores you to put natural gut in it!

vwfye
03-12-2009, 08:54 AM
that is soooooo beyond my budget. i'll stick with what i like/have on hand for now.

Tennis_dude ^_^
03-12-2009, 08:59 AM
it means that it is fake, take the $20 before I change my mind:)

dude lol you rock
anyways
glad you like the suprise
and a huge suprise it was ^_^

origmarm
03-12-2009, 08:59 AM
^^^ But baby Pete Sampras will cry!

vwfye
03-12-2009, 10:13 AM
just measured the grip... 4 1/2... now 4 7/8 with an adhesive removed replacement grip so that the leather doesn't get marred. only 4.5 hours until i get to hit with it!

kimbahpnam
03-12-2009, 10:22 AM
you've got massive hands

vwfye
03-12-2009, 10:25 AM
actually i don't. but i have a big paw and very short fingers. smaller grips spin in my hand.

VGP
03-12-2009, 05:03 PM
vwyfe - I'm excited to hear your experince with the PS85.

I like hearing what people have to say that have never hit with the frame.

vwfye
03-12-2009, 07:02 PM
it was an interesting experience today. if i choose to continue to use it, i will need to revert to a bsw grip (barely semi-western). this is fine by me, as it was my grip back when i played similar style frames.
it reminded me very much of my old PK copper ace. my biggest complaint was the 25+ year old string job. i will hit with it again tomorrow with fresh Liberty string at 63lbs.
finding the sweet spot wasn't an issue and the weight wasn't an issue either since i play a 13.75 oz frame in my Mitt and a 13.00 oz frame with my Mono.
I really liked how my back hand had less fliers but it is no where near the stick my Mono is for volleying. I will admit that this could be because of the strings and their age.

vwfye
03-13-2009, 10:37 AM
well, the racket was actually restrung this morning @65lbs. I am already more content with the stick after a 15 minute session. Much better feel on volleys, though still not a Mono, and fliers were less on both sides. I will continue to tinker... if I'm not satisfied, I have another nice piece for my office wall collection.

Blade0324
03-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Congrats on a great get. I am curious, you mention Liberty string. Is that as in Ashway Liberty. I'm curious if you have found any good tension or hybrid for this. I got 3 sets of it for free but after one hitting session with it as a hybrid I had to cut it out as it had sooooo much power and was very mushy feeling.

hoodjem
03-13-2009, 12:06 PM
I remember that I had one (maybe my first) with no bumper guard. Then I had three others with.

Did any of the Chicago models have a bumper guard?

vwfye
03-13-2009, 12:47 PM
blade... i use the ashway liberty 16 or 17 mostly as a non hybrid. i have used it with big banger, but i'm finding i'm not a big fan of hybrid for my rackets. i have 2 players using this hybrid in the head liquid series and they both love it.

Bud
03-13-2009, 02:24 PM
I remember that I had one (maybe my first) with no bumper guard. Then I had three others with.

Did any of the Chicago models have a bumper guard?

Chicago models did not have a bumper guard... just like some early SV's did not have the guard.

vwfye
03-14-2009, 09:21 AM
spent another couple hours hitting with the stick today... i love this combo with the Liberty in it. who says you need expensive string to have a good stick?

vwfye
04-09-2009, 07:46 AM
here's some slightly better pics with the ashway liberty strung:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ipvsn.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/k9z75y.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ngc35x.jpg

vwfye
04-09-2009, 07:48 AM
i'm contemplating going to a 17g string, but other than that, i've been very happy with this for the most part.

NotAtTheNet
04-09-2009, 08:22 AM
man talk about keeping it old s chool, just saw the frames you keep on the sig. Maybe if you ever decide to pick up a new frame you can stock up on some kps88's.

vwfye
04-09-2009, 09:04 AM
the Head Vilas gets hit with a couple times a year. the others are at the courts with me any time i'm there.

as a coach, i've hit with almost everything under the sun each season... i've just not found anything new that i like better than what i have.

canadave
04-09-2009, 10:58 AM
Hey, just out of curiosity, how come the label on the racquet says "Weight Unstrung 11.6-12.3 ounces"? I'm guessing that's not a statement about the poor quality control and tolerances that went into making the racquet ;) but I'm not sure why exactly there's a range and not an exact number.

or is it that the PS is such an amazing stick that it can actually change its own static weight in your hand in response to your mental instructions? lol

robby c
04-09-2009, 11:19 AM
Back in the 80's racquet companies didn't always make separate racquets for men and women like they do now. They made the 4 1/8 frames lighter for the ladies. The 4 5/8 heavier for men.
The girls on my college team played the same frames we did. Just smaller grips.
Chris Evert and Jimmy Connors both played the Prostaff.
Robby C

David_Is_Right
04-10-2009, 05:01 AM
Back in the 80's racquet companies didn't always make separate racquets for men and women like they do now.

They make men and women's racquets now?