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plus
03-14-2009, 10:18 AM
Can anyone compare a vantage 95 SI racket ( for example, 330 grams and 12 points head light), in both 63 and 70 flex rating, to other frames in terms of power? Compared to the KPS 6.1 (close to 70 flex) or to a Ncode 6.1 (close to 63)? Are the vantage frames as powerfull as the wilsons (which I think are a little too powerfull)? I am tempted to buy one with 70 flex but I want it pretty low powered..

Frankauc
03-14-2009, 12:25 PM
i used to play with a APDC and a kpro open wich are about 315g 67RA.

I ordered the vantage 95 320g 10p hl 70 RA. I tried it and felt it was too powerful for my liking. Very stiff. More than my APDC and kpro open. So i exchange it for the 63RA version (waiting for it to arrive ) I think the power level will be perfect now. So if you want low power with a 330g vantage, go for the 63ra version

TonyB
03-14-2009, 01:32 PM
To me, there's a huge difference in power level between the 63 and 70 RA. Obviously, the 63 is much lower powered, and the result is more control and fewer stray balls flying long. I can really blast a serve or even a service return with a full swing and the ball stays in the court 90% of the time, even if I don't strike the ball cleanly.

Stiffness-wise, I would actually say that the 63 FEELS stiffer than the 70 for some odd reason. It's softer on the arm, but stiffer feeling when you hit the ball. It's a very wierd sensation. All I know is that the 70 hurts my elbow slightly and the 63 doesn't hurt my elbow at all. So there must be SOME difference in stiffness. But when I hit the ball, the sensation is that the 63 feels stiffer.

I had a good string setup with the 70 version... it didn't feel very string-sensitive at all. But the 63 is a different story. All strings that I've tried so far feel stiff in the frame. I've even tried proportional stringing with little success. Next up is a good soft multi to see if that can make a difference.

Anyone run across a good string for the 63 RA frames?

Frankauc
03-14-2009, 01:55 PM
To me, there's a huge difference in power level between the 63 and 70 RA. Obviously, the 63 is much lower powered, and the result is more control and fewer stray balls flying long. I can really blast a serve or even a service return with a full swing and the ball stays in the court 90% of the time, even if I don't strike the ball cleanly.

Stiffness-wise, I would actually say that the 63 FEELS stiffer than the 70 for some odd reason. It's softer on the arm, but stiffer feeling when you hit the ball. It's a very wierd sensation. All I know is that the 70 hurts my elbow slightly and the 63 doesn't hurt my elbow at all. So there must be SOME difference in stiffness. But when I hit the ball, the sensation is that the 63 feels stiffer.

I had a good string setup with the 70 version... it didn't feel very string-sensitive at all. But the 63 is a different story. All strings that I've tried so far feel stiff in the frame. I've even tried proportional stringing with little success. Next up is a good soft multi to see if that can make a difference.

Anyone run across a good string for the 63 RA frames?

How can the 63RA feel stiffer than the 70RA? This doesnt make sense at all. It must be a string issue like you say

furyoku_tennis
03-14-2009, 02:13 PM
To me, there's a huge difference in power level between the 63 and 70 RA. Obviously, the 63 is much lower powered, and the result is more control and fewer stray balls flying long. I can really blast a serve or even a service return with a full swing and the ball stays in the court 90% of the time, even if I don't strike the ball cleanly.

Stiffness-wise, I would actually say that the 63 FEELS stiffer than the 70 for some odd reason. It's softer on the arm, but stiffer feeling when you hit the ball. It's a very wierd sensation. All I know is that the 70 hurts my elbow slightly and the 63 doesn't hurt my elbow at all. So there must be SOME difference in stiffness. But when I hit the ball, the sensation is that the 63 feels stiffer.

I had a good string setup with the 70 version... it didn't feel very string-sensitive at all. But the 63 is a different story. All strings that I've tried so far feel stiff in the frame. I've even tried proportional stringing with little success. Next up is a good soft multi to see if that can make a difference.

Anyone run across a good string for the 63 RA frames?

I used to have mine strung with gosen og micro 16g. it's soft but crisp and cheap too.

furyoku_tennis
03-14-2009, 02:13 PM
How can the 70RA feel stiffer than the 63RA? This doesnt make sense at all. It must be a string issue like you say

Doesn't the 70 RA mean its stiffer than the 63 RA? So why wouldn't it feel stiffer?

Frankauc
03-14-2009, 02:49 PM
Doesn't the 70 RA mean its stiffer than the 63 RA? So why wouldn't it feel stiffer?

yeah my error. i edited my post

TonyB
03-14-2009, 02:51 PM
How can the 63RA feel stiffer than the 70RA? This doesnt make sense at all. It must be a string issue like you say



It does to me. Don't ask me why, but it does. Same strings, same tension, same everything.

Maybe it's the "responsiveness" of the 70 RA frame that makes it feel more flexible. I always loved the 70 RA until my elbow started hurting a bit. Then when I got the 63, I assumed it would be way more flexible. But it's not. It's just softer. To me, it feels stiffer, but softer. Again, don't ask me why.

Frankauc
03-14-2009, 02:56 PM
i think you're confused. How can it feel softer and stiffer at the same time? A soft frame is flexible.....

TonyB
03-14-2009, 04:31 PM
I'm not confused. Why are you even arguing with me when you haven't even played with one???

I don't need to be educated about stiff or soft feeling frames. I've played with everything from RA 40 through 70. I know what stiff and flexible racquets feel like. Like I said, play with the 63 and compare it to the 70 and you'll see what I mean. There's no sense arguing with you about it since you haven't played with the 63. I have.

Frankauc
03-14-2009, 05:26 PM
I dont need to play with it since i already played with the 70RA. That is 100% sure that the 63RA will play softer...Were're not talking about 2 different companies or two completly different frames. Were're talking about the exact same frame, with a 7RA stifnness difference. I will surely come back to you about it when i receive my frames.

Seacoast Stringer
03-14-2009, 05:52 PM
I have played with both flexes and the 63 is definitely a more softer AND flexier feel...it actually plays like about a 59 or 60 flex based on my experience. The 70 rated Vantage frames are not stiff feeling, however. They are very comfortable but have slightly more pop. But the 70 is definitely a stiffer feeling racquet. Never had an arm problem with it.

mawashi
03-14-2009, 06:05 PM
I'll disagree with Tony on the stiffness of the 2 frames as the 63 is indeed softer as it has really help me recover from my TE.

As for the power of the 3 frames it would be K95 > N95 > Vantage.

The I would say the Vantage 63 is more like a Dunlop AG200 in terms of power 68 or thereabouts.

mawashi

GPB
03-14-2009, 08:44 PM
I'll add a bit, about strings in the 63RA Vantage. I really enjoy using a soft multi strung highish (about 63lbs) in mine. Or a hybrid with a thin synthetic gut in the mains and a soft multi in the crosses.

I found the flexible Vantage lacking in power (coming from a Wilson PSC 6.1) so I had to make mine pretty heavy - about 14oz. Since then, I've come down a little from that weight, and I love it. Its got the oomph to rip through a ball, and the flex to keep it comfy and give it a little more dwell time. Very nice!

plus
03-15-2009, 01:08 AM
I think I will go for the 63 because I do not want a frame too powerful. But is the 63 still somewhat crisp?

furyoku_tennis
03-15-2009, 01:19 AM
with the right string and tension, i'd say it can be pretty crisp.

origmarm
03-16-2009, 04:03 AM
Personally I'm a lover of the 70RA, coming from a PSC6.1 it's probably not surprising. I would say that the 70 plays more like a 65 to me and the 63 more like a 58 or similar.

I agree with Mawashi about the power, I thought the K95 and N95 were more powerful than both RA versions of Vantage frames, particularly the K.

I would say if you are familiar with the N and want a small step down in power go with the 70, if you want a larger step down in power go with the 63.

sandflea
03-16-2009, 05:39 AM
I agree with seacoast stringer take on the two flexes, I have both.

BHud
03-16-2009, 05:43 AM
Keep in mind Vantage RA ratings are unstrung...for a strung racquet, move it down 3...67 and 60.

plus
03-16-2009, 10:18 AM
Personally I'm a lover of the 70RA, coming from a PSC6.1 it's probably not surprising. I would say that the 70 plays more like a 65 to me and the 63 more like a 58 or similar.

I agree with Mawashi about the power, I thought the K95 and N95 were more powerful than both RA versions of Vantage frames, particularly the K.

I would say if you are familiar with the N and want a small step down in power go with the 70, if you want a larger step down in power go with the 63.

Thanks a lot for all the input. I understand the 63 and 70 do not differ that much? And that they are both lower powered than a N95?

How will the two (63 and 70) compare to a pro staff 6.0 95, both power wise and flex wise?
Or to a KBT?

origmarm
03-17-2009, 12:49 AM
Thanks a lot for all the input. I understand the 63 and 70 do not differ that much? And that they are both lower powered than a N95?

How will the two (63 and 70) compare to a pro staff 6.0 95, both power wise and flex wise?
Or to a KBT?

I didn't find they differed that greatly. It was mostly a difference in feel and "response" for want of a better word between the two versions. I felt you got more dwell time on the 63 but more instant "response" out of the 70. I haven't hit with a KBT so I can't comment on that one I'm afraid. As for the 6.0 95 I would say the 63 feels pretty similar in terms of power but significantly less stiff, it has that same "thud" though. I would say the 70 is more powerful and about as stiff, much crisper feel though, more like a PSC than a 6.0.

Hope it helps, Orig

ae1222
03-17-2009, 04:51 PM
I've had both and personally I liked the 70RA a little better. I agree with previous posts that once you string them they do feel like the RA drops a bit, i would agree that the 70 plays more like a 67 and the 63 plays like a 58. I had both frames with a 320 weight and 10pts head light and the 63 played a lot like the new Prince EXO3 graphite mid (which i hate by the way) and the 70 actually played more like the K Blade Tour but feels a bit stiffer than the KBT. I liked the KBT but i had a problem breaking the frames in the throat so I have been trying out other stuff. I have it narrowed down to the prince original graphite mid and the vantage 70RA. Hope that helps...

vtc
03-17-2009, 06:15 PM
I prefer 70 aswell but because of the pop I can get with it. I don't really notice "too much power." It really matters if you want all of that power or the flexy feel.

Frankauc
03-18-2009, 05:28 AM
for me th 70RA was too stiff and powerful. I'm waiting the 63RA version to compare

counterpuncher
03-18-2009, 02:22 PM
Anyone run across a good string for the 63 RA frames?
Although I generally prefer an all poly set-up the nicest I found in mine was SPPP Pure, but I far preferred the feel when I hybrided this with some X1 Bio-phase. This frame seems to love mutlis rather than poly.

stules
05-18-2009, 06:44 PM
I am torn between a 63 and 70................


Which volleys better. I am guessing the 70.

When does the trade in sale end?

Ciao
Stuart

007
05-19-2009, 06:49 AM
I'm a big fan of the Slazenger X1 and emailed Paul of Vantage awhile back about what unique Vantage custom code would recreate an X1.

He advised me to pick 70RA stiffness.

He should know - he designed the X1.

ls206
05-19-2009, 07:06 AM
^^ is the X1 the racquet Henman plays with?

I think that might answer Stuarts question :)

007
05-20-2009, 05:24 AM
Yes, but in appearance only. He actually used a PS 6.1 95 mold minus the PWS. But his Slaz.sponsorship made it appear he was using a Pro Braided B&W, then a Trinity Pro Braided, then an X1 Pro, then an NX ONE. All were just paint jobs.