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Bud
03-22-2009, 05:40 AM
Can anyone verify the XRC is in fact 100% fiberglass? I've been looking for vintage Head advertisements stating the frame specs but so far have not located any. Perhaps VSBabolat will come to the rescue on this! :)

Also, is the racquet hollow or is it a solid piece of fiberglass (assuming the material is, in fact, 100% fiberglass)?

Does anyone have nice clear pics of the in*****?

I would never consider sacrificing a usable XRC... However, If I could locate a broken XRC, I'd perform an autopsy to learn how Head created one of the most plush feeling frames ever produced.

IMO, the XRC should be updated by Head. I'd like to see a modern XRC, using the same materials (100% fiberglass), a similar headshape of 93-95 sq. in. with specs in the range of 13 oz. and 6-7 points HL (strung).

I believe that to be a pipe dream... but it sounds like one sweet racquet!

plasma
03-22-2009, 08:42 AM
I played the xrc for years at the Macabiah in tel Aviv as a geeky pre-teen, couldn't afford the Snauwaert graphite mid which was the top of the line back then, sure felt like the XRC had some extra, hummus, graphite, tahhinni, or harrif in there, wasn't mushy at all! Tournaments with full draws and refs were common back then. I beat everyone. They all used the head aluminum racquet with the rectangular brown throat piece. The only kid who could beat me was a developmentally delayed child affectionately named: "Doo-doo". He had uncanny strength for his age and could hit 90 mph forehands at will. He was slapping the ball before bolleterri popularized it! Doo-doo had a condition that made him repeat the same exact phrase thousands of times a day. He was given respect there, the adults made sure of it, for that; decades later, Macabiah still gets my deepest respect and praise...just like the XRC and "Doo-doo"...

Bud
03-22-2009, 08:55 AM
I played the xrc for years at the Macabiah in tel Aviv as a geeky pre-teen, couldn't afford the Snauwaert graphite mid which was the top of the line back then, sure felt like the XRC had some extra, hummus, graphite, tahhinni, or harrif in there, wasn't mushy at all! Tournaments with full draws and refs were common back then. I beat everyone. They all used the head aluminum racquet with the rectangular brown throat piece. The only kid who could beat me was a developmentally delayed child affectionately named: "Doo-doo". He had uncanny strength for his age and could hit 90 mph forehands at will. He was slapping the ball before bolleterri popularized it! Doo-doo had a condition that made him repeat the same exact phrase thousands of times a day. He was given respect there, the adults made sure of it, for that; decades later, Macabiah still gets my deepest respect and praise...just like the XRC and "Doo-doo"...

The XRC was quite expensive too... was it not? What was the cost of the Snauwaert?

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I think I know which aluminum Head you're referring to... the Edge.

Shown on far left?

http://www.woodtennis.com/head/headmasterproedge1.jpg

plasma
03-22-2009, 09:57 AM
("Head: The Edge"on the left) that's the one! couldn't even afford that one, let alone the Shnauwaert, racquets were a mint in fallafelville back in the day, the top fallafel pros were using the graphite edge and the snauwaert!!! the xrc was torn up at the time but played great,
http://i42.tinypic.com/11aboxu.jpg

I like the way the word "head" repeats 3 times in your photo, very "electric Company" 70's startky and hutch era graphics, very Ron Burgundy, very.... "Sex Panther":
http://i41.tinypic.com/344uwx1.jpg
made with bits of real panther"
http://i42.tinypic.com/x69z7l.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvy-TMUEWO0

PBODY99
03-22-2009, 05:28 PM
Hollow +Injected molded fiberglass, now the resins used to bind the fibers, that is the real story of the feel.
I used the Yamaha 30, which had a foam core .
I still feel that the Hollow injection process gave you unique feeling frames. , Dunlop MAX family & Fischer injected molded frames of the period.

plasma
03-22-2009, 06:39 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/2r4h2dx.jpg
which fischers used injection molding?

vsbabolat
03-22-2009, 06:40 PM
Hollow +Injected molded fiberglass, now the resins used to bind the fibers, that is the real story of the feel.
I used the Yamaha 30, which had a foam core .
I still feel that the Hollow injection process gave you unique feeling frames. , Dunlop MAX family & Fischer injected molded frames of the period.

I don't think Fischer racquets were injection Molded. The only frames that were truly injection molded were the Max 150G, Max 200G, Max 300i, Max 400i, Max 500i, Max 800i, and the Slazenger Phantom IMF.

It was a real piece of art how Dunlop manufactured these racquets. Here is a layman's explanation of the Injection Molded Process works. First there is a casting of a low melting point alloy core. The alloy core is then put in the injection molding machine. A Compound of GRAPHITE and NYLON is Melted and then injected around the alloy core. Once the graphite and Nylon is cooled the Alloy core is heated up so it melts and then poured out of the frame. This leaves individual string holes that have pillars inside the frame. There are no holes drilled in these injection molded frames by Dunlop.

Here are sections cut from the Max 200G to show the internal pillars that you can only have with a Injection Molded Frame.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/IMG_0067.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/IMG_0068.jpg
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/IMG_0064.jpg

Bud
03-23-2009, 09:39 AM
Hollow +Injected molded fiberglass, now the resins used to bind the fibers, that is the real story of the feel.
I used the Yamaha 30, which had a foam core .
I still feel that the Hollow injection process gave you unique feeling frames. , Dunlop MAX family & Fischer injected molded frames of the period.

Are you saying the XRC was an injected molded frame?

vsbabolat
03-23-2009, 10:39 AM
Bud, I believe the XRC is a hollow frame. The XRC has individual grommets. The grommet holes were drilled into the frame.

See my last post about injection molded frames.

Bud
03-23-2009, 12:40 PM
Bud, I believe the XRC is a hollow frame. The XRC has individual grommets. The grommet holes were drilled into the frame.

See my last post about injection molded frames.

Yes, I know the IMF is similar to creating an artistic sculpture (lost-wax technique)... with the wax, etc. and the grommet hole separators are molded into the frame. You can also see the pinholes on the outside of the Dunlops where the melted material drains out of the frame... leaving the internal spaces.

I was just curious about his comment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost-wax_casting


This website contains video:
http://www.wildlifeart.org/Foundry/clay_maquette.html

vsbabolat
03-23-2009, 05:20 PM
Yes, I know the IMF is similar to creating an artistic sculpture (lost-wax technique)... with the wax, etc. and the grommet hole separators are molded into the frame. You can also see the pinholes on the outside of the Dunlops where the melted material drains out of the frame... leaving the internal spaces.

I was just curious about his comment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost-wax_casting


This website contains video:
http://www.wildlifeart.org/Foundry/clay_maquette.html

The pinholes were there because that was from the mold to hold the racquet in place in the mold. The melted material drained out of where the cap is in the bottom of the "Y" throat.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/IMG_0067-1.jpg

gpt
03-24-2009, 04:58 PM
My Father used to work for the Victorian (Australia) distruibutor of AMF Head products in the 1970's. After starting tennis with a Slazenger Ken Rosewall wood racquet, I got an Arthur Ashe Comp for Christmas one year. That was soon updated to a AA Comp 2. THEN I started playing with an XRC. It was heavy but it was the racquet that had the most satisfying sweetspot that I have ever experienced. It was stolen one year in the 80's and I replaced it with a Pro Kennex Copper Ace because it looked similar. Since then I have played with many racquets, but the XRC is the the one I remember most. I recently bought one on **** because I am so fond of them. I remember my dad telling me it was hollow fibreglass but I don't really know. Please dont sacrifice one to find out.

jimbo333
03-24-2009, 05:04 PM
The XRC is the only racquet I've seen labelled as heavy. I saw one as "4 5/8 H", would that mean heavy? Sure was a heavy racquet:)

Bud
03-24-2009, 05:09 PM
The XRC is the only racquet I've seen labelled as heavy. I saw one as "4 5/8 H", would that mean heavy? Sure was a heavy racquet:)

The one I hit with a couple days ago is 4 3/4M and 14.0 oz.

plasma
03-24-2009, 06:04 PM
wow that whole l, lm, m thing is amazing, didn't know there was an "H", would love to find an L or SL XRC for hitting...

tailofdog
03-24-2009, 06:06 PM
I just bought an XRC i think my scale said it weighed 13.3 oz. Nice racquet great depth. At the same time i bought a Mizuno Devastator. Got to say this 12oz 95 sq in. Mizuno is a lot better racquet(IMO)

plasma
03-24-2009, 06:30 PM
13 doesn't play heavy at all, my r 22 L 4 3/8 both weigh in at 13.0 and don't feel cumbersome like some racquets from that era...can you safely hit out with all your might from midcourt with the mizuno? if you can you're a far better player than the fallafel boy Plasma... that's where the xrc is brilliant...I don't know what criteria you're using for "better". I have more regional trophies than Jet Li2K has varied prestige clones... with any 95 my balls hit the fence, if my fallafels were on the line I would use the xrc sand say it was "better"...that's just me though, I know pro's who would like the 95's...does the fact that they can't break "800" in atp ranks (and shamefully try to hawk their kennelbach 630's to plasma) and share your opinion on the "XRC" have anything to do with each other????.....I would bet my fallafels and my kebab on it!

tailofdog
03-24-2009, 07:13 PM
I think that the power to control to topsin and balance of a racquet all come together. The MIZUNO PLAYS A LOT LIKE MY JENRO(KEVLAR GRAPHITE 95 with 16x 18 string pattern) Which i like. I am sure you play a nice game but, I would bet my KEBAB that if all the pros in the top 100 were made to play with the XRC(OR HOLY XRC IF YOU LIKE) More would move out of the top 100 than down.
JUST MY BURRITOS WORTH OF THOUGHT!

plasma
03-24-2009, 10:03 PM
I grew up around pro tournaments; sparring and carrying racquets for #4-20 in the world, not number 800. Those are just the washed up, frustrated wannabe (pt pawning) D1 college-crew I hang with now...my buddy #800 Journeyman McPlayer is there for a reason: athletic brilliance locked by mental inflexibility, arrogance, tactical paralysis, marriage to an impressive but inflexible ballistic and limited style...guys like Nishikori and Stephanek, I love those guys, guts, deep water, bang to the body for 11 rounds and take you out at will, talent, timing, brains, those guys know how to play tennis; (unlike atp ranked #864 McPro)internal, psychological, not just arms and legs a huge serve and the same crosscourt forehand....these masters are able to loose the first set of the first round and still win the entire tournament on heart. Also players who went from making minimum wage for several years to millions on court, hats off to you too! going in there with less than nothing and coming out a winner with hundreds of thousands instead of hundreds...
yes dog tail you're right, made to give up their lm tours 78 of the top 100 would fall to obscurity, not making enough to eat in prize money....but if the constantly injured and out of place wage slaves ranked 800-900 all were forced to use an xrc for a year. 30% more would develop the technical tenacity and tactical knowledge necessary to penetrate the top 100 than if they stuck with the painfully stiff prostock crap they try to pawn to Plasma; like most pro atheletes who never made it and pushed themselves out of their sport and into obscurity;they trained harder and not smarter. The top trainers work on specifics of touch and rythm that the #700+ guys in the world don't even know about. That's why top pro's ranked in the top 50 ALWAYS start with mini-tennis and #700,0000,0000 joe pro rarely does...
http://i41.tinypic.com/716zpw.jpg
he looked like a clown...until the match started....and his skills stated to show
Sifu Plasma, deadly bird killing topspin forehand.
"Are we to paint what's on the face, what's inside the face, or what's behind it? "
Pablo Picasso

Deuce
03-24-2009, 10:16 PM
My Father used to work for the Victorian (Australia) distruibutor of AMF Head products in the 1970's. After starting tennis with a Slazenger Ken Rosewall wood racquet, I got an Arthur Ashe Comp for Christmas one year. That was soon updated to a AA Comp 2. THEN I started playing with an XRC. It was heavy but it was the racquet that had the most satisfying sweetspot that I have ever experienced. It was stolen one year in the 80's and I replaced it with a Pro Kennex Copper Ace because it looked similar. Since then I have played with many racquets, but the XRC is the the one I remember most. I recently bought one on **** because I am so fond of them. I remember my dad telling me it was hollow fibreglass but I don't really know. Please dont sacrifice one to find out.
^ Yes - the XRC is that kind of racquet... one that we remember always.

The closest thing to the XRC were the Arthur Ashe Competition frames - same size, same frame shape, same string pattern... and they had a very nice feel to them, too.
But the XRC was just... better.

To this day, no other racquet I've used in almost 30 years of playing feels as nice as the XRC on groundstrokes.

The XRC is the only racquet I've seen labelled as heavy. I saw one as "4 5/8 H", would that mean heavy? Sure was a heavy racquet:)
^ No - the 'H' stands for 'Heavenly'...

plasma
03-24-2009, 11:02 PM
my matte black XRC had faded graphics, vs gut, a red and blue stencil, string a lings, and a comfortable original woven leather grip that looked like it was stolen from an israeli taxi cab, I even remember the plastic collar!..

tailofdog
03-25-2009, 07:43 PM
I am going with you on 90% of your post . If guys had to train with the XRC it would make them better players in the long run.
One of the problems is the sheer # of people trying to turn pro with high end expectations.
Stephanek is my favorite player (AND NOT JUST BECAUSE HE WAS NAILING MARTINA HINGIS) but because he serves and volleys and always trys. Not everything he does is great but, the whole package is.
I understand at one stage he had to borrow money on his apartment to keep going on the tour. If that money had run out he would have had to quit but , thats history. His forehand is at times not all that hot and can be a weakness but he never gives up
He
no uses a BOSWORTH 96 sq in (WITH HEAPS OF LEAD TAPE ON IT) I have been liking my experiences with the early 90,s racquets more than the 79,s and 80,s so the journey continues

plasma
03-26-2009, 08:02 AM
late eighties early nineties was the "blue period", the "renaissance" of great design and craftsmanship. If a German engineering and design genius named Keubler hadn't accidentally derailed and tweenered the entire industry market we would have had the greatest racquets ever
http://i43.tinypic.com/2u60kfa.jpg
...we were inches before the finish line before we fell....now we're busted up, all of us talkin about bad feel
that's why I refer to this surreal purgatorial galactic coffeshop as post apocalyptic, I feel we were lucky we was, lucky to have met St.Vincent, and the other Giants, from the age of knowin an doin...

tailofdog
03-26-2009, 06:15 PM
Wagging my tail on this