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stician
03-25-2009, 09:40 AM
I didn't get to see the recent Indian Wells match but what I've heard Nalbandian can cause all sorts of problems for Nadal. What is it about David's game that is so effective against Rafael?

Let's keep this strategy and technique focused.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 09:43 AM
He takes the ball so early and has the best backhand (when on) in tennis. Also he is good in positioning his serve to take Nadal off the court.

maximo
03-25-2009, 09:44 AM
Nalbandian would of won if it wasn't for the fatigue caused by those long rallies with Nadal.

fantom
03-25-2009, 09:45 AM
A few points off the top of my head:

* Nalbandian has one of the best two-handed backhands on the planet. Nadal's cross-court forehand doesn't eat him up.

* Nalbandian is capable of standing close to the baseline and hitting everyting on the rise.

* He's one of the best players at changing direction on the ball.

* He hits angles as well as anybody in the world.

* He has great anticipation and can finish off points at the net.

* For being a little tubby, he's pretty quick.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 09:46 AM
Nalbandian would of won if it wasn't for the fatigue caused by those long rallies with Nadal.
Also to point the conditions were very similar to indoors. Temperature was in the mid 60's with hardly any humidity. No wind either. Nalbandian would've been hurt much more if they played during the daytime.

nalbyvsfed
03-25-2009, 09:47 AM
1. taking balls on the rise
2. sharp angles( although nadal is better at this)
3. good returner
4. very good backhand, reliable forehand
5. he is fast( many would disagree but he is fast)

tacou
03-25-2009, 09:48 AM
fantom pretty much covered it.

a lot of Nadal's top spin FHs land in the service box on hard court, but most opponents sit back and wait for them rather than stepping up and hitting them early.

Nalbandian does this, and he does it well. the lethal backhand is also a huge reason.

RoddickAce
03-25-2009, 09:48 AM
His backhand is a very strong weapon. And Nadal's lefty topspin forehand can't pin Nalbandian down to the baseline as effectively as he does to other people.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 09:49 AM
Great returner, Great backhand can create sick angles and David can do damage of the forehand as well.

stician
03-25-2009, 09:49 AM
fantom ^^^ those are great points and are the reasons why I always enjoyed watching Nalbandian play. There are plenty of guys in the 4.0 singles league I play have bodies worse than David and can run and retrieve for 3 sets.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 09:50 AM
Also I mentioned is that Nalbandian loves indoors. His game is high risk and the more comfortable the conditions, the easier it is for him to pull it off. Nadal is the opposite. He wants his opponents to feel the least comfortable.

maximo
03-25-2009, 09:51 AM
Nadal would beat anyone on a windy day, just like he did so to Murray. I think Murray would of won if it wasnt for the wind tho.

nalbyvsfed
03-25-2009, 09:53 AM
this has always bothered me, how in the hell is nalbandian so good indoors. he has a very weak serve. clay should feel more comfortable?

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 09:53 AM
Nadal would beat anyone on a windy day, just like he did so to Murray. I think Murray would of won if it wasnt for the wind tho.

I don't high bouncing surface's give Murray all sorts of trouble against Nadal, If it wasn't windy Nadal would have won something like 6-4 7-5.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 09:53 AM
Nadal would beat anyone on a windy day, just like he did so to Murray. I think Murray would of won if it wasnt for the wind tho.
Murray doesn't play as aggressive as Nalbandian. No doubt it would've been closer but I would still favor Nadal. Nalbandian in perfect conditions is a nightmare for most players. In particular players that play behind the baseline a lot.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 09:54 AM
this has always bothered me, how in the hell is nalbandian so good indoors. he has a very weak serve. clay should feel more comfortable?

His serve indoors is very effective seems to skid through and is hard to attack.

maximo
03-25-2009, 09:56 AM
Murray doesn't play as aggressive as Nalbandian. No doubt it would've been closer but I would still favor Nadal. Nalbandian in perfect conditions is a nightmare for most players. In particular players that play behind the baseline a lot.


Murray lost to Nalbandian at the paris masters, which was indoors.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 09:56 AM
this has always bothered me, how in the hell is nalbandian so good indoors. he has a very weak serve. clay should feel more comfortable?
It has more to do with Nalbandian feeling good then it has to do with the speed. Indoors is ideal conditions. No wind, low humidity, and no heat. Nalbandian's serve is good enough imo but it can fall apart. Less likely to do that indoors.

nalbyvsfed
03-25-2009, 09:57 AM
His serve indoors is very effective seems to skid through and is hard to attack.

so playing on grass should be comfortable for nalbandian aswell? or the high toss is vulnerable outdoors?

maximo
03-25-2009, 09:58 AM
Murray and Nadal are similar, they both struggle against Nalby, and yet both find it less of a challenge beating Federer compared the rest of the tour.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 09:59 AM
so playing on grass should be comfortable for nalbandian aswell? or the high toss is vulnerable outdoors?

Yeah maybe as Nadal freak said the wind probably bothers him and its theres always some wind at Wimbledon.

The-Champ
03-25-2009, 09:59 AM
Simple! Nalbandian's backhand is the best if not second best I've ever seen...the other one is agassi's. That's his major weapon against Rafa, he changes direction with it better than he can with his fh which is amazing as well.

Had he stayed physically fit and mentally stable...Roger hand Rafa would have had their share of slam losses.

But that's on HC, I don't see Nalbandian(even fit), as a threat to Rafa on clay. On clay, Nadal would destroy ANYONE...but you all know that.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 10:00 AM
I don't know about best at changing direction I think that title should go to Djokovic.

nalbyvsfed
03-25-2009, 10:01 AM
maybe he just likes to hit high balls ??? :P. then he has a great chance at RG aswell against nadal.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 10:03 AM
I don't know about best at changing direction I think that title should go to Djokovic.
Nalbandian is the best imo. Djokovic and Murray are the next 2 in there but rely more on their serve for success. Nalbandian relies on his baseline game solely.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 10:05 AM
maybe he just likes to hit high balls ??? :P. then he has a great chance at RG aswell against nadal.
Not really. He doesn't like the irregular bounces clay gives him. Basically he is mainly an indoor player as well as conditions close to indoors.

nalbyvsfed
03-25-2009, 10:06 AM
But that's on HC, I don't see Nalbandian(even fit), as a threat to Rafa on clay. On clay, Nadal would destroy ANYONE...but you all know that.

i dont know, if nalbandian has his day( and fit). he can beat nadal on clay. because on clay nadals serve is more vulnerable, so he can attack first serves aswell.

My opinion "if nalbandian serves well,its impossible to beat him that day"

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 10:10 AM
i dont know, if nalbandian has his day( and fit). he can beat nadal on clay. because on clay nadals serve is more vulnerable, so he can attack first serves aswell.

My opinion "if nalbandian serves well,its impossible to beat him that day"

Nadal's serve is not vunerable on clay he can get extra kick and bounce on it and a guy can hardly smack a return winner of it like on HC's.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 10:10 AM
i dont know, if nalbandian has his day( and fit). he can beat nadal on clay. because on clay nadals serve is more vulnerable, so he can attack first serves aswell.

My opinion "if nalbandian serves well,its impossible to beat him that day"
Hardcourts are the easiest surface to attack serves off of. Clay maximizes the spin. This makes it very hard to attack imo though it is easy to get in play from a defensive position.

nalbyvsfed
03-25-2009, 10:15 AM
Hardcourts are the easiest surface to attack serves off of. Clay maximizes the spin. This makes it very hard to attack imo though it is easy to get in play from a defensive position.

im sorry for that return statement, i didnt know clay maximizes spin
( slice, i know topspin is effective), ive read somewhere that slice serve's on clay are bad. but because clay is slower, the incoming serve is slower, so easier to attack.

Nadal_Freak
03-25-2009, 10:22 AM
im sorry for that return statement, i didnt know clay maximizes spin
( slice, i know topspin is effective), ive read somewhere that slice serve's on clay are bad. but because clay is slower, the incoming serve is slower, so easier to attack.
Theory wise that would sound right. I think Nadal has a little kick to his serve as well. It seems to get up pretty high on players backhands for being a slice. Also the movement is not as easy on clay. Hardcourt is a different game with much easier movement for the majority of players. An aggressive game relies a lot more on timing and little things like wind, irregular bounces, and heat seem to bother them more then a conservative player like Nadal. But it would be interesting to see Nadal against Nalbandian on Indoor clay.

nalbyvsfed
03-25-2009, 10:26 AM
i think ur right nadal_freak
i would love to see nalbandian -nadal on a grass court.

Golden Retriever
03-25-2009, 11:55 AM
Name me someone who DOESN'T struggle against Nalbandian. However somehow he always manage to lose at the end.

ucrctennis
03-25-2009, 11:58 AM
Name me someone who DOESN'T struggle against Nalbandian. However somehow he always manage to lose at the end.

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