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oy vey
03-25-2009, 11:04 AM
"If I win 86 per cent of my service games
throughout the year, I think I finish No 1 in the world."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5970223.ece


Andy Murray vows to become world number 1 by end of the year
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2009/03/25/andy-murray-vows-to-become-world-number-1-by-end-of-the-year-86908-21226291/

pabletion
03-25-2009, 11:07 AM
I love that attitude... Doesnt mean it will or wont be so, but at least he is focused on that goal, good for him and good for all of us who can be witnesses to fights to the "death" for a grasp at No. 1!!!

Makes the tour so much more interesting

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:11 AM
1) Murray
2) Nadal
3) Federer
4) Djokovich
5) Verdasco

I'm a big believer he will be.

If the rankings remain the same for Wimbledon, he'll ofcourse meet Federer in the Semi finals. I believe he'll beat Federer in 5 extremely tight sets with the British support behind him.

After that its Nadal in the final .. and i'd have money to win that.... saying that he doesn't, STILL leaves him with a huge chance.

People on this board, especially the hardcore Federer and Nadal fans fail to see just how far Murray has come with his game since going out last year to Nadal in Wimbledon.

He's improved his second serve hugely!

Anyway, after winning or being a finalist @ Wimby, i reckon he'll just out muscle Nadal in Master's series victories (being a better hardcourter), thus moving him to second.

...to cap it all off he'll win the US Open.

Accumilating enough points to finish the year in 1st.

Feña14
03-25-2009, 11:12 AM
It was that kind of dedication and desire that kept Nadal going when Federer was at the top.

It's highly unlikely he'll finish at number one but it's great for the game that he's goint to push Nadal as hard as he possibly can.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:14 AM
It was that kind of dedication and desire that kept Nadal going when Federer was at the top.

It's highly unlikely he'll finish at number one but it's great for the game that he's goint to push Nadal as hard as he possibly can.

Here's a statistic for you.

In all the years since murray has turned pro .. there hasn't be one in which he hasn't moved up the rankings drastically.

Feña14
03-25-2009, 11:19 AM
Here's a statistic for you.

In all the years since murray has turned pro .. there hasn't be one in which he hasn't moved up the rankings drastically.

Number 1 in the Universe it is then! ;)

Serve_Ace
03-25-2009, 11:20 AM
So arrogant

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:22 AM
So arrogant

Get real bro.

Ambitious is more the word.

clayman2000
03-25-2009, 11:26 AM
So arrogant

he says he "thinks" he can become no 1. He doesn't say he is the best player in the world but merely he thinks he may be able to become no 1. Great attitude, and right now he is clearly the number 2 player behind rafa

Serve_Ace
03-25-2009, 11:26 AM
Get real bro.

Ambitious is more the word.

=[ i was being sarcastic, I agree with Murray, I think he has the skills to get to number one

scotus
03-25-2009, 11:28 AM
I think Murray will easily overtake Djokovic.

Overtaking Federer is not going to be easy but is possible.

Overtaking Nadal -- that, my friends, ain't gonna happen this year.

dextor
03-25-2009, 11:28 AM
You need to believe it first in order to get there.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:28 AM
No chance he will be NO.1 by the end of the year his incompentence on clay and grass will make sure of that.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 11:30 AM
Delusional. Nadal already has collected many more points in the early going on hard courts, so Murray would do well to even outperform Nadal, the very determined and now formidable hard court player, enough on hard courts from here to even break even. Then on clay he has no shot to even come close to the points Nadal will achieve, even in the unlikely event he won Wimbledon (which I doubt). I like both players but this is crazy talk.

Lefty5
03-25-2009, 11:30 AM
he seems like he'd be a good clay courter based on his movement and grinder mentality. Will be interesting to see how he does at RG this year.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:31 AM
The aroggance of the man ceases to amaze me he hasn't even won a freakin major yet and he's talking about being world number 1 after kind of laughable seeing he just got blown off the court by the world number 1, overrated clown.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 11:31 AM
I'm a big believer he will be.

If the rankings remain the same for Wimbledon, he'll ofcourse meet Federer in the Semi finals. I believe he'll beat Federer in 5 extremely tight sets with the British support behind him.

After that its Nadal in the final .. and i'd have money to win that.... saying that he doesn't, STILL leaves him with a huge chance.

People on this board, especially the hardcore Federer and Nadal fans fail to see just how far Murray has come with his game since going out last year to Nadal in Wimbledon.

He's improved his second serve hugely!

Anyway, after winning or being a finalist @ Wimby, i reckon he'll just out muscle Nadal in Master's series victories (being a better hardcourter), thus moving him to second.

...to cap it all off he'll win the US Open.

Accumilating enough points to finish the year in 1st.

You are a blind British homer. Nuff said.

oscar_2424
03-25-2009, 11:33 AM
How many points is Murray behind Nadal?

Mick
03-25-2009, 11:33 AM
"If I win 86 per cent of my service games
throughout the year, I think I finish No 1 in the world."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5970223.ece


Andy Murray vows to become world number 1 by end of the year
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2009/03/25/andy-murray-vows-to-become-world-number-1-by-end-of-the-year-86908-21226291/


hey guys, if i win 86 percent of my service games throughout the year, i could play on the ATP tour :)

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:33 AM
How many points is Murray behind Nadal?

About 7,000

eeytennis
03-25-2009, 11:34 AM
"If I win 86 per cent of my service games
throughout the year, I think I finish No 1 in the world."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5970223.ece


Andy Murray vows to become world number 1 by end of the year
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2009/03/25/andy-murray-vows-to-become-world-number-1-by-end-of-the-year-86908-21226291/

Murray will not be number one unless for some flukey reason both Fed and Rafa get injured and can't play tennis. Rafa demolished him last weekend and that's not to say that he won't ever beat Rafa again, but he has a lot of work to do.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:35 AM
You are a blind British homer. Nuff said.

...and you are an ignorant flipping newbie that believes Monica Seles was better than Martina Navratilova.

maximo
03-25-2009, 11:35 AM
About 7,000

Since this new ATP World thing, i dont know whether that is a big gap or not. :-?

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:36 AM
I can't wait for post US Open when i can bump this thread and be treated with royalty by all of you.

I actually am not too fond of Murray as a person and only really ever support the guy in grandslams, so calling me a homer is far off the mark.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:37 AM
I can't wait for post US Open when i can bump this thread and be treated with royalty by all of you.

I actually am not too fond of Murray as a person and only really ever support the guy in grandslams, so calling me a homer is far off the mark.

Even if he wins the USO he wont end the year NO.1 so I don't know what your trying to say.

clayman2000
03-25-2009, 11:38 AM
No chance he will be NO.1 by the end of the year his incompentence on clay and grass will make sure of that.

How do you know he is incompetent on clay? Murray didnt start playing like the way he is until Wimbledon of last year. Like a previous person said he moves well, is solid from the ground and creates points. I see him being able to be a decent clay player if he keeps playing like this

as for Grass he has a big advantage. He plays at home, and has the crowd on his side. He lost last year in the quarters to Rafa in straights, hwoever he had just come of a 5 setter against Gasquet and he really wasn't quite ready for thats stage of a major

If he had your attitude he would never become world number 1

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:38 AM
Even if he wins the USO he wont end the year NO.1 so I don't know what your trying to say.

Final @ Wimby, a collection of Master's series events, coupled with a few ATP one's plus the US Open and he'll be number 1.

^^ That in all, is a very strong possibility.

I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of Nadal becoming injured.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:39 AM
Murray's lack of respect to Nadal and Federer angers me they are both far superior players to the overhyped HC specialist.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 11:39 AM
...and you are an ignorant flipping newbie that believes Monica Seles was better than Martina Navratilova.

If Seles wasnt stabbed she would probably have more slams than Navratilova so hardly unbelievable. Seles already had 8 slams at an age Navratilova was still years from even winning her first.

I laugh at your accessment of Murray's chances this year and what he will do and calling others Federer and Nadal homers. I dont even like Federer and I expect he will probably outrank Murray by years end. Murray has absolutely no chance to surpass Nadal. If I just blindly picked by favorite like you I would say Verdasco will be the year end #1. I will save your quote though, will be good to laugh at come years end.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:40 AM
How do you know he is incompetent on clay? Murray didnt start playing like the way he is until Wimbledon of last year. Like a previous person said he moves well, is solid from the ground and creates points. I see him being able to be a decent clay player if he keeps playing like this

as for Grass he has a big advantage. He plays at home, and has the crowd on his side. He lost last year in the quarters to Rafa in straights, hwoever he had just come of a 5 setter against Gasquet and he really wasn't quite ready for thats stage of a major

If he had your attitude he would never become world number 1

Lets applaude this guy for actually thinking for himself and not giving in to all the mediocre hype about Murray only being accomplished on hardcourt.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:40 AM
Final @ Wimby, a collection of Master's series events, coupled with a few ATP one's plus the US Open and he'll be number 1.

^^ That in all, is a very strong possibility.

I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of Nadal becoming injured.

Nadal's year will consist of 4 or 5 master series and 3 majors he will end the year numero uno. Can't wait till the wheels fall off the Murray bandwagon.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 11:40 AM
Even if he wins the USO he wont end the year NO.1 so I don't know what your trying to say.

Exactly. He would probably still be ranked #3 behind Federer even if he won the U.S Open (which I wouldnt even bet on happening). At most he would eke out the #2 ranking in this case.

clayman2000
03-25-2009, 11:41 AM
Murray's lack of respect to Nadal and Federer angers me they are both far superior players to the overhyped HC specialist.

lack of respect......did u see his speech after loosing to Nadal, all he did was praise Rafa. And last i checked he has beaten Fed 4 times in a row (five if you count the exhibition) so it looks like he owns all but Rafa

And before you say well what about the AO, well cut the man some slack, eh lost to the hottest player on tour

SmAsH999
03-25-2009, 11:41 AM
I love that attitude... Doesnt mean it will or wont be so, but at least he is focused on that goal, good for him and good for all of us who can be witnesses to fights to the "death" for a grasp at No. 1!!!

Makes the tour so much more interesting

that's why he's so amazing. His game, attitude, and mental strength are starting to come together. Once he gets the full package, he'll be LIKE FED IN HIS PRIME! And one of the commentators during indian wells said that the scary thing about murray is that he's only going to get better from here.

batz
03-25-2009, 11:42 AM
The aroggance of the man ceases to amaze me he hasn't even won a freakin major yet and he's talking about being world number 1 after kind of laughable seeing he just got blown off the court by the world number 1, overrated clown.


Cesc - chill out for a minute will you. The IF in his statement is the pertinent word or do you think he's wrong about the relationship between service/return numbers and ranking?

He's essentially saying if I keep a 91% win ratio for a whole year then I can be number 1. Don't see what's arrogant or controversial about that.

batz
03-25-2009, 11:44 AM
lack of respect......did u see his speech after loosing to Nadal, all he did was praise Rafa. And last i checked he has beaten Fed 4 times in a row (five if you count the exhibition) so it looks like he owns all but Rafa

And before you say well what about the AO, well cut the man some slack, eh lost to the hottest player on tour

Cesc can't help himself. He's an Ingerlund football fan who bears a grudge. Don't think this is about tennis - it isn't.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 11:44 AM
...and you are an ignorant flipping newbie that believes Monica Seles was better than Martina Navratilova.

Says the one who on another thread rates Becker above McEnroe as well, and called Becker more "versatile" and someone who dominated on clay and grass. Now that is funny. I will leave you alone now, I shouldnt pick on the mentally handicapt.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:44 AM
Cesc - chill out for a minute will you. The IF in his statement is the pertinent word or do you think he's wrong about the relationship between service/return numbers and ranking?

He's essentially saying if I keep a 91% win ratio for a whole year then I can be number 1. Don't see what's arrogant or controversial about that.

Why say it then? he's obviously arrogant he's been matching Petchy and Cowan praise him too much its gone to his head.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:45 AM
If Seles wasnt stabbed she would probably have more slams than Navratilova so hardly unbelievable. Seles already had 8 slams at an age Navratilova was still years from even winning her first.

I laugh at your accessment of Murray's chances this year and what he will do and calling others Federer and Nadal homers. I dont even like Federer and I expect he will probably outrank Murray by years end. Murray has absolutely no chance to surpass Nadal. If I just blindly picked by favorite like you I would say Verdasco will be the year end #1. I will save your quote though, will be good to laugh at come years end.

IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

IF it hadn't rained for a particular day in the year of 2002, Tim Henman would be a Grandslam champion.

If Roger Federer wasn't around, Andy Roddick would have more than 5 grandslams... and Nadal probably closing in on Sampras's record.

IF doesn't cut it.

Okay, we shall see who haves the last laugh. I have already placed a huge bet on Murray finishing either 1st or 2nd in the ranking and i guarantee you in shall happen.

Feña14
03-25-2009, 11:45 AM
Cesc - chill out for a minute will you. The IF in his statement is the pertinent word or do you think he's wrong about the relationship between service/return numbers and ranking?

He's essentially saying if I keep a 91% win ratio for a whole year then I can be number 1. Don't see what's arrogant or controversial about that.

Don't wind him up! He might spit at you ;)

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:45 AM
Cesc can't help himself. He's an Ingerlund football fan who bears a grudge. Don't think this is about tennis - it isn't.

Nothing to do with football.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:46 AM
Don't wind him up! He might spit at you ;)

You and me both know Phil Brown was lying:wink:

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:47 AM
Nadal's year will consist of 4 or 5 master series and 3 majors he will end the year numero uno. Can't wait till the wheels fall off the Murray bandwagon.

The only reason he beat Murray @ the Indian Wells Masters was because Murray let the conditions get to him.

Those sorts of conditions are few and far between.

I predict 2 slams for Nadal, he won't win Wimbledon and he definetely won't pull it off @ the US .. especially as his body will be too tired.

batz
03-25-2009, 11:47 AM
Why say it then? he's obviously arrogant he's been matching Petchy and Cowan praise him too much its gone to his head.


The players have these things called press conferences Cesc. They are asked questions at them. Now you know this, see if you can figure it out for yourself why he said it.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 11:49 AM
IF it hadn't rained for a particular day in the year of 2002, Tim Henman would be a Grandslam champion.

Rafter, a far superior serve/volley player to Henman, would have beaten Henman in the final in this case. Rafter was the one victimized of the title by Ivanisevic's rain delay savour in the semis, not Henman. Again more British homer-ism from you.

and Nadal probably closing in on Sampras's record.

Nadal only lost at most 2 slams to Federer. He wouldnt be within sniffing distance of any record right now.

IF doesn't cut it.

Being stabbed in the back by a knife from a criminal is not your typical what if. I wouldnt expect someone who actually believes Murray is this years #1 to see that of course.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:50 AM
Says the one who on another thread rates Becker above McEnroe as well, and called Becker more "versatile" and someone who dominated on clay and grass. Now that is funny. I will leave you alone now, I shouldnt pick on the mentally handicapt.

Oh please. You are like every other simpleton you give in to all mediocre hype. McEnroe is hyped up for than Becker by the media because of his on court antics. Becker also won slams in Sampras and Aggasi's era. Let's please stick to the debate anyway.

When the US Open finishes ... i'll be expecting a massive appology.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:50 AM
The players have these things called press conferences Cesc. They are asked questions at them. Now you know this, see if you can figure it out for yourself why he said it.

He didn't have to say he will end the year no.1 though
He could have said things like 'I have had a great start to the year' and cliches like that etc. Now I wouldn't blame him if he had his sights set of Djokers number 3 spot but talk of being number 1 is ridicoulus.

jms007
03-25-2009, 11:51 AM
"If I win 86 per cent of my service games
throughout the year..."

heheh, he's such a nerd..calculated it down to a exact number. Or just messing with the reporter. Either way, I love it. Good for him.

deltox
03-25-2009, 11:51 AM
the big thing that people forget is that murray isnt defending very many points except at a few tourneys, fed and nadal on the other hand, are defending their points at nearly every tourney, not gaining any, but defending those they have.

take this for example

in a tourney that nadal won but murray went out early early in last years appearance. IF, and i do mean if, in the same tourney this year nadal looses early by some miracle and murray wins it, that one tourney can be over a 1500 point swing in points.

they key isnt in Murrays hands, its in Nadals, he has to losoe and fail to defend the bulk of his point for murray to pull it off, not likely but possible none the less.

if you dont believe it can happen, as i dont, you still have to admire his drive and determination. everyone is so quick to forget a simple injury, sprained ankle, pulled hamstring etc can lead to the loss of thousands of points, ask davydanko. its not impossible, but not likely either. i can however see him taking the #2 ranking if fed doesnt get his head held back up.

clayman2000
03-25-2009, 11:52 AM
The only reason he beat Murray @ the Indian Wells Masters was because Murray let the conditions get to him.

Those sorts of conditions are few and far between.

I predict 2 slams for Nadal, he won't win Wimbledon and he definetely won't pull it off @ the US .. especially as his body will be too tired.

After just praising Murray, i am now going to praise Rafa.
Rafa had everythng going for him coming into the final, he was a clear favourite and put down Murray even when the wind was not as much a factor

How do you know Rafa will not win Wimby or the US open Right now i have him as the favourite for both.
He is the defending champ at Wimbledon, i think he has even improved since then

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:53 AM
the big thing that people forget is that murray isnt defending very many points except at a few tourneys, fed and nadal on the other hand, are defending their points at nearly every tourney, not gaining any, but defending those they have.

take this for example

in a tourney that nadal won but murray went out early early in last years appearance. IF, and i do mean if, in the same tourney this year nadal looses early by some miracle and murray wins it, that one tourney can be over a 1500 point swing in points.

they key isnt in Murrays hands, its in Nadals, he has to losoe and fail to defend the bulk of his point for murray to pull it off, not likely but possible none the less.


Well its the clay season next and thats guarnteed points for Nadal.

batz
03-25-2009, 11:53 AM
Nothing to do with football.

Of course it isn't Cesc. I imagined you posting a whole load of falsehoods about what Murray was supposed have said and done about the Ingerlund football team and his dislike of English people.

You repeat the same old tropes time and time again and you just can't wait to get real personal and nasty whenever there's a thread about Murray.

batz
03-25-2009, 11:54 AM
heheh, he's such a nerd..calculated it down to a exact number. Or just messing with the reporter. Either way, I love it. Good for him.


That's his current percentage for the year - he didn't just pull it out his @rse:)

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:54 AM
Of course it isn't Cesc. I imagined you posting a whole load of falsehoods about what Murray was supposed have said and done about the Ingerlund football team and his dislike of English people.

You repeat the same old tropes time and time again and you just can't wait to get real personal and nasty whenever there's a thread about Murray.

Wrong I have praised Murray alot during Indian Wells and was impressed with how he recorved from his virus.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 11:54 AM
I dont see how considering clay and grass is coming up and Nadal will reign supreme I think Murray is a tad delusional. Win a slam first!!! then learn to play on grass and clay. Then begin to think about number 1

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:55 AM
Rafter, a far superior serve/volley player to Henman, would have beaten Henman in the final in this case. Rafter was the one victimized of the title by Ivanisevic's rain delay savour in the semis, not Henman. Again more British homer-ism from you..

Your opinion. Goran didn't do anything special to overcome him in the final.



Nadal only lost at most 2 slams to Federer. He wouldnt be within sniffing distance of any record right now

Right... so he'd be on 8

The French this year again shall be a gimmie for him. So lets call it 9... thats 5 off Sampras... people would be talking about it left, right and center ... trust me.



Being stabbed in the back by a knife from a criminal is not your typical what if. I wouldnt expect someone who actually believes Murray is this years #1 to see that of course.

How do you know she'd have continued being successful? Graff could've found the upper hand, just like Nadal has over Federer. There's no guarantee, therefore you can't say .. IF.

Navratilova won almost 10 singles titles @ Wimbledon.

bolo
03-25-2009, 11:55 AM
I don't think he can do it, not this year.

Nadal is going to get some wins on hard court and dominate on clay. If you think about how murray wins points (first serve, defense, dictates play in his bizarro fashion, flat backhand, return of serve) it's all for the taking on clay.

It will be interesting to see how he does, I am guessing an average QF.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:56 AM
I dont see how considering clay and grass is coming up and Nadal will reign supreme I think Murray is a tad delusional. Win a slam first!!! then learn to play on grass and clay. Then begin to think about number 1

Spot on.
10

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 11:57 AM
I dont see how considering clay and grass is coming up and Nadal will reign supreme I think Murray is a tad delusional. Win a slam first!!! then learn to play on grass and clay. Then begin to think about number 1

Bingo. We have a winner everyone.

batz
03-25-2009, 11:58 AM
After just praising Murray, i am now going to praise Rafa.
Rafa had everythng going for him coming into the final, he was a clear favourite and put down Murray even when the wind was not as much a factor

How do you know Rafa will not win Wimby or the US open Right now i have him as the favourite for both.
He is the defending champ at Wimbledon, i think he has even improved since then

I don't disagree with much of this. I still have Roger as USO favourite though and I'm not so sure Rafa was clear favourite, I made him 'slight' favourite, but I'm quibbling now.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 11:58 AM
I don't think he can do it, not this year.

Nadal is going to get some wins on hard court and dominate on clay. If you think about how murray wins points (first serve, defense, dictates play in his bizarro fashion, flat backhand, return of serve) it's all for the taking on clay.

It will be interesting to see how he does, I am guessing an average QF.

Correct Murray's backhand is too flat for clay and his loopy forehand is going to get eaten up on clay.

roddickfan90
03-25-2009, 11:58 AM
"If I win 86 per cent of my service games
throughout the year, I think I finish No 1 in the world." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5970223.ece


Andy Murray vows to become world number 1 by end of the year
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2009/03/25/andy-murray-vows-to-become-world-number-1-by-end-of-the-year-86908-21226291/

roddick and karlovic hold 90%............thats not a good enough reason

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 11:59 AM
After just praising Murray, i am now going to praise Rafa.
Rafa had everythng going for him coming into the final, he was a clear favourite and put down Murray even when the wind was not as much a factor

How do you know Rafa will not win Wimby or the US open Right now i have him as the favourite for both.
He is the defending champ at Wimbledon, i think he has even improved since then

I just don't see it. He played some scintillating tennis to overcome Roger in the final last year and Roger started off extremely slowly.

I don't believe Roger can play as bad as he did in those first 2 sets again. He'll lose to Murray or Federer thats just the feeling i have, based on observations of all 3 player's.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 11:59 AM
"If I win 86 per cent of my service games
throughout the year, I think I finish No 1 in the world."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5970223.ece

Andy Murray vows to become world number 1 by end of the year
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/2009/03/25/andy-murray-vows-to-become-world-number-1-by-end-of-the-year-86908-21226291/Thats bull! Its the equivalent of saying that "if I win every tournament this year, I will be #1". Thats just as likely as the 86% goal.

Right now he is serving at a 60% rate, down to #49 on the list. The best record is for Verdasco at 77%.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:01 PM
I dont see how considering clay and grass is coming up and Nadal will reign supreme I think Murray is a tad delusional. Win a slam first!!! then learn to play on grass and clay. Then begin to think about number 1

Explain why you come to the conclusion Murray's weak on grass?

jms007
03-25-2009, 12:01 PM
That's his current percentage for the year - he didn't just pull it out his @rse:)

Oh well then...that's not as funny. I thought he used up his Sunday evening on crunching some numbers in Excel or some ****.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:02 PM
Explain why you come to the conclusion Murray's weak on grass?

Explain why you think Murray is strong on grass?

deltox
03-25-2009, 12:04 PM
Well its the clay season next and thats guarnteed points for Nadal.

that may be true. but people seem to forget at age 22 rafa has some serious career worried problem.. his knees are in bad shape, no matter what anyone tries to hide, his knees arent doing so well.. watch him in early rounds and then again in the later rounds, his knees swell badly every tourney. not sure whats wrong with them, but he obviously has something thats been bothering his knees for an extended period now. i hate to see greats loose to injury but in sports its a harsh reality we all have to deal with.

i dont wish for him to be injured, i just think its likely he will fall to injury sometime soon in his career. As great as he is, hes due for some bad luck, thats all im saying.

deltox
03-25-2009, 12:05 PM
Thats bull! Its the equivalent of saying that "if I win every tournament this year, I will be #1". Thats just as likely as the 86% goal.

Right now he is serving at a 60% rate, down to #49 on the list. The best record is for Verdasco at 77%.

the commentators just said during IW that roddick was first with 92% of serves held. can you link the site where you got these numbers please.. im intersted now.

deltox
03-25-2009, 12:06 PM
Explain why you think Murray is strong on grass?

well, not sure about his grass play but he will have home court advantage and the fans backing him up and hating on nadal. that will matter somewhat

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:06 PM
I just don't see it. He played some scintillating tennis to overcome Roger in the final last year and Roger started off extremely slowly.

I don't believe Roger can play as bad as he did in those first 2 sets again. He'll lose to Murray or Federer thats just the feeling i have, based on observations of all 3 player's.

I would say federer can and will and now there are three guys at his level that are going to take advantage.

batz
03-25-2009, 12:08 PM
Explain why you think Murray is strong on grass?


The fact that he has improved year on year on grass? His 75% win ratio on the surface? A win over a double Wimbledon champion? Home support? An excellent 1st serve, great volleys and blinding pace and anticipation? The fact that he clearly fancies himself on grass?

In other words Cesc, the same answers you always get when you pose that question.

You know how I said about posting the same old tropes....?

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:08 PM
Explain why you think Murray is strong on grass?

Since he scraped out an ugly win over the legendary Richard "choke" Gasquet before getting destroyed by Nadal.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 12:08 PM
Of course I dunno. Who knows if Murray would have won the AO and not have lost to the inferior player in Verdasco. If Murray would have won the AO, maybe that would have given him the momentum. Who knows. But he didnt. So now he is climbing an uphill battle for the year. Especially now losing to Nadal at Indian Wells. Murray esentially could have been in the position to win 2 slams this year. AO and the USO.

Nadal isnt going to be dethroned any time soon. Unless he gets injured and has to withdraw from slams. I assume clay and grass season is only going to help Fed. At this point, I dont see either Murray or Djoker overtaking Fed at this point in the rankings. Djoker is going downhill instead of going up it seems

shadows
03-25-2009, 12:08 PM
Thats bull! Its the equivalent of saying that "if I win every tournament this year, I will be #1". Thats just as likely as the 86% goal.

Right now he is serving at a 60% rate, down to #49 on the list. The best record is for Verdasco at 77%.

Just to clarify:

it's not 86% of serves in, it's 86% service games won (which is what he currently averages for 09).

==

For the people saying that Murray hasn't got the game for grass/clay, I think there'll be some surprises in stock this year. I'm not saying he'll be #1, nor am I saying he'll win a GS this year, but he's a guy who's constantly evolving his game and he's got the smarts to actually think about how he needs to play on different surfaces. If you don't see him putting some very deliberate measures in place within his game to see him being more competitive elsewhere I'll be very surprised.

Remember that Rafa took time to evolve his game to be as good as he is on all surfaces. Murray is in a similar position now and how he approaches it might just make the difference between him being a contender and him one day holding the crown.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 12:08 PM
Sure. http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/players/matchfacts/

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 12:11 PM
Just to clarify:

it's not 86% of serves in, it's 86% service games won (which is what he currently averages for 09).

==

My bad. Poor reading skills.

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:12 PM
I think he will do well on grass, will certainly compete with federer but will probably lose to nadal. Expect another interview where he is amazed and astounded by rafa's racquet speed. :)

deltox
03-25-2009, 12:13 PM
Sure. http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/players/matchfacts/

yeah hes at 86% service games won, which is more close to what i thought it was.. karlovic actually beat out roddick now for the number 1 spot by 1 percentage point.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:13 PM
Explain why you think Murray is strong on grass?

He has, in fact, had an impressive showing at the All England Club managed to reach his first ever wimbledon quarterfinal in 2008.

He certainly got people to sit up and take note after his debut performance at London in 2005. He was awarded a wild card for the tournament and caused a major upset when he beat 14th-seed Radek Stepanek in straight sets.

In doing so he became the first Scot to reach the third round of the tournament, and was the only remaining Brit in both the men’s and ladies events. His All England hopes were dashed by Argentine, David Nalbandian, and during the match he showed signs of fatigue.

Murray missed out at Wimbledon 2007 as he was forced to withdraw due to a wrist injury.

He's only played 3 Wimbledon's and 1 of those was when he only just broke on to the scene as a teenager.

He's never bee shown up for being a weak player on grass, its just that there's not enough grass tournaments around the World to compete in for people to stand up and take notice of his grass court ability.

He has an all round game and adapts it to the whoever he's up against, he can volley, hit from the back and even serve big. This is a good recipe for grass. Yes, he shines out brilliantly on hard court, but that doesn't mean he's a one trick pony.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 12:13 PM
Explain why you come to the conclusion Murray's weak on grass?

Hes not overly weak.. But certainly not on Nadal's level or even Fed's at this point on grass. Murray can handle Fed on HC, but also those wins have only came from 3 set matches at smaller tournaments. Once he played Fed at the slam, he was butchered. Murray may have a breakout year on clay. But this year I dont see it. Hes not wimbeldon with Nadal around anyways.

helloworld
03-25-2009, 12:14 PM
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

IF it hadn't rained for a particular day in the year of 2002, Tim Henman would be a Grandslam champion.

If Roger Federer wasn't around, Andy Roddick would have more than 5 grandslams... and Nadal probably closing in on Sampras's record.
Wow, I didn't realize Roger is the only guy who can beat Roddick. :confused:
Nadal closing Sampras's record when he only lost 2 finals to Roger??? ROFL!!! :lol: Dude, you need medication.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:14 PM
I would say federer can and will and now there are three guys at his level that are going to take advantage.

Not on grass.

MichaelNadal
03-25-2009, 12:14 PM
Since he scraped out an ugly win over the legendary Richard "choke" Gasquet before getting destroyed by Nadal.

Exactly!! Jeez, the Murray fans are ridiculous sometimes. He will not be number 1 this year. In the words of my grandma, thats "fool talk"

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:14 PM
Fed is clearly a better grass court player than Murray and by far better on Clay so I just don't see Murray overtaking Roger.

gj011
03-25-2009, 12:15 PM
Djokovic was bashed a lot last year for just saying his goal is to become #1, now when Murray says much more blatant version it is OK.

Double standards as usual.

MichaelNadal
03-25-2009, 12:15 PM
Not on grass.

You aren't saying Federer can't beat Murray on grass are you?

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:15 PM
Wow, I didn't realize Roger is the only guy who can beat Roddick. :confused:
Nadal closing Sampras's record when he only lost 2 finals to Roger??? ROFL!!! :lol: Dude, you need medication.

Count howmany grand slam finals and semi final he lost to Federer a few years back.

Okay, may be i slightly exagerated a bit with the Nadal example lol.

helloworld
03-25-2009, 12:16 PM
Even Fed would own Murray on clay and grass. How on earth is he going to be number 1 if he's competent on only 1 surface....

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:16 PM
You aren't saying Federer can't beat Murray on grass are you?

No, i'm saying Federer won't cannot possibly play as badly as he did @ the beginning of last year's final against Nadal.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:16 PM
Hes not overly weak.. But certainly not on Nadal's level or even Fed's at this point on grass. Murray can handle Fed on HC, but also those wins have only came from 3 set matches at smaller tournaments. Once he played Fed at the slam, he was butchered. Murray may have a breakout year on clay. But this year I dont see it. Hes not wimbeldon with Nadal around anyways.

Fed's not what he was since that USO victory. If it was replayed at this time, Murray wins hands down.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 12:17 PM
Nadal bearing injury is going to cruise at the French and Wimbeldon this year. Thats certain. By that time, Nadal will be so far ahead in the ranking points that no one will catch him this year regardless of who wins the USO.

Murray wont catch Nadal this year

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:18 PM
Even Fed would own Murray on clay and grass. How on earth is he going to be number 1 if he's competent on only 1 surface....

He has an all round game and adapts it to the whoever he's up against, he can volley, hit from the back and even serve big. This is a good recipe for grass. Yes, he shines out brilliantly on hard court, but does that make him a one trick pony?

No.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:18 PM
Helloworld and GameSampras are spot on Murray is simply a HC specialist at the moment and isn't close to an all surface player as Nadal or Federer or even Djoker.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:19 PM
Nadal bearing injury is going to cruise at the French and Wimbeldon this year. Thats certain. By that time, Nadal will be so far ahead in the ranking points that no one will catch him this year regardless of who wins the USO.

Murray wont catch Nadal this year

I love how everyone always goes on current form, instead of even attempting to think outside the box.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:20 PM
Helloworld and GameSampras are spot on Murray is simply a HC specialist at the moment and isn't close to an all surface player as Nadal or Federer or even Djoker.

Mediocre post.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:20 PM
I love how everyone always goes on current form, instead of even attempting to think outside the box.

Nadal destroyed Murray at Wimbledon last year and is clearly better on grass than Murray.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:20 PM
Helloworld and GameSampras are spot on Murray is simply a HC specialist at the moment and isn't close to an all surface player as Nadal or Federer or even Djoker.

Are you kidding me?

Murray would destroy Djokovic on grass with the form hes in currently.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 12:20 PM
It was that kind of dedication and desire that kept Nadal going when Federer was at the top.

It's highly unlikely he'll finish at number one but it's great for the game that he's goint to push Nadal as hard as he possibly can.Well, for the moment he needs to push Djokovic. That isn't done yet.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:21 PM
Helloworld and GameSampras are spot on Murray is simply a HC specialist at the moment and isn't close to an all surface player as Nadal or Federer or even Djoker.

Very well said in all respects.

canuckfan
03-25-2009, 12:21 PM
It's nice for murray to be confident, but it's too early to talk about being number 1; although we don't have a full transcript of the interview (which is critical, since journalists do their best to create a story regardless of whether it reflects the true TONE of the interview. Seriously, most journalism is shockingly bad). Murray should be saying something like, "I believe I can get to number one if I continue to improve and work hard. But there are other great players in the top 5 and it is too early for me to make predictions. If I focus on my game and winning as many tournaments as possible, the ranking will take care of itself." When murray is number 2 and has a slam under his belt, then he can start to talk about the number 1 ranking.

Tofi
03-25-2009, 12:21 PM
I dont think so. he'll lose his touch some time this may on the clay and then he'll sulk

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:22 PM
Are you kidding me?

Murray would destroy Djokovic on grass with the form hes in currently.

Wasnt Murray supposed to win the Australian Open this year? Yeah thats right. I love how you make these bold assumptions he would win a rematch of a U.S Open final with Federer or he would beat a top 3 player at Wimbledon given his history at the slams until now.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:22 PM
Hes not overly weak.. But certainly not on Nadal's level or even Fed's at this point on grass. Murray can handle Fed on HC, but also those wins have only came from 3 set matches at smaller tournaments. Once he played Fed at the slam, he was butchered. Murray may have a breakout year on clay. But this year I dont see it. Hes not wimbeldon with Nadal around anyways.

Okay lets say for argument sake, he's not as accomplished a grass courter as a Federer or Nadal, what about the Wimbledon crowd? Do you honestly believe they play no part @ all in how well he plays?

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:22 PM
Are you kidding me?

Murray would destroy Djokovic on grass with the form hes in currently.

No he wouldn't and Novak is way better on clay than Murray.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:23 PM
Wasnt Murray supposed to win the Australian Open this year? Yeah thats right. I love how you make these bold assumptions he would win a rematch of a U.S Open final with Federer or he would beat a top 3 player at Wimbledon given his history at the slams until now.

He had a virus and Verdasco was playing the tennis of his life.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 12:23 PM
Helloworld and GameSampras are spot on Murray is simply a HC specialist at the moment and isn't close to an all surface player as Nadal or Federer or even Djoker.

For Murray to have HAD A CHANCE this year of getting that Number 1 spot, the AO was a must win for Murray IMO. Others may disagree of course

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:23 PM
murray's in the same position as nadal was on grass a couple of years ago. He has a lower chance of beating the typical player on the tour than federer, but if he and federer meet on grass it will get very interesting for fed.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:24 PM
Wasnt Murray supposed to win the Australian Open this year? Yeah thats right. I love how you make these bold assumptions he would win a rematch of a U.S Open final with Federer or he would beat a top 3 player at Wimbledon given his history at the slams until now.

Err... what round did djokovic go out of at last years Wimbledon?

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 12:24 PM
Here's a statistic for you.

In all the years since murray has turned pro .. there hasn't be one in which he hasn't moved up the rankings drastically.I think if you look it up, that holds for Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. I am pretty sure about Nadal and Djokovic, but Federer may have not moved quite that fast.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:24 PM
For Murray to have HAD A CHANCE this year of getting that Number 1 spot, the AO was a must win for Murray IMO. Others may disagree of course

He's never going to get to number 1 by getting knocked out by flakes like Verdasco.

seffina
03-25-2009, 12:25 PM
Since this new ATP World thing, i dont know whether that is a big gap or not. :-?
It's a little over 7000 points gap. That's the equivalent of two grand slams and three masters shields. He can make up ground before Wimbledon. After that, there's not much room to improve as he has a quarter at Wimbledon, semis at
Canada, win at Cincy, final at US Open, win at Madrid (now Shanghai), quarters at Paris, and semis at the Masters Cup to defend.

I just don't mathematically see it as being possible. Rafa will defend at the very least a good chunk of his clay court points and could actually gain points because of the early Rome exit last year. Even if he lost Wimbledon, completely bombed Canada and Cincy and the US Open, he would still be in the lead.

I don't see him ending the year any higher than three. Not impossible, but not likely.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:25 PM
Err... what round did djokovic go out of at last years Wimbledon?

Safin would have hammered Murray that same day. Murray was getting beaten badly by Gasquet and would have lost in 3 sets without Gasquet choking, and Gasquet's cant reach a hot Safin's level of tennis even on grass. The tennis played on Queens by Djokovic, as well as Wimbledon 2008 where he beat an in form Hewitt and in form Baghdatis, is far superior to anything Murray has produced on grass ever.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:25 PM
Nadal destroyed Murray at Wimbledon last year and is clearly better on grass than Murray.

He's taken his game on to another level since and the US Open has helped his confidence immensly

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:26 PM
No he wouldn't and Novak is way better on clay than Murray.

Yes he would.


i never said clay.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:27 PM
He's taken his game on to another level since and the US Open has helped his confidence immensly

So has Nadal.

Kramerica
03-25-2009, 12:27 PM
Helloworld and GameSampras are spot on Murray is simply a HC specialist at the moment and isn't close to an all surface player as Nadal or Federer or even Djoker.

What surface is Djokovic good on, besides HC? :d

canuckfan
03-25-2009, 12:28 PM
I agree. Murray is on the right path but he will not be number 1 this year. I think he can be a real threat on grass this year. But his weakness on clay is a serious problem. It's weird because he shouldn't be so much worse on clay. Maybe that will improve this year, we'll see.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 12:28 PM
he says he "thinks" he can become no 1. He doesn't say he is the best player in the world but merely he thinks he may be able to become no 1. Great attitude, and right now he is clearly the number 2 player behind rafaThe only thing thats clear is that he is #4 in the rankings, 3060 points behind Federer. By the way, there are only 11 players that even have a total of 3060 points.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:28 PM
He's never going to get to number 1 by getting knocked out by flakes like Verdasco.

Flakes?

Is this the flake that almost (and probably should have) defeated Nadal the eventual winner, in the Semi finals in an intensly fought 5 set marathon thriller?

As i said your a very mediocre fan who can't see past Federer and Nadal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg1zgLWo6nI&feature=related - Watch this and enlighten yourself.

Verdasco is a different player now a days.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:28 PM
Safin would have hammered Murray that same day. Murray was getting beaten badly by Gasquet and would have lost in 3 sets without Gasquet choking, and Gasquet's cant reach a hot Safin's level of tennis even on grass. The tennis played on Queens by Djokovic, as well as Wimbledon 2008 where he beat an in form Hewitt and in form Baghdatis, is far superior to anything Murray has produced on grass ever.

Are you implying Gasquet is a rubbish player?

Even if hes got one of the best 1HBH on tour?

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:29 PM
What surface is Djokovic good on, besides HC? :d

Djokovic's credentials on grass and clay:

Clay- Rome champion (2nd biggest tournament on clay), French Open semifinalist two years straight, French Open quarterfinalist the year before that, Monte Carlo and Hamburg semifinalist last year.

Grass- Queens runner up, Wimbledon semifinalist.

Murray?

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:29 PM
What surface is Djokovic good on, besides HC? :d


Clay and Grass

Clay: 2 successive French Open semis and a Rome title

Grass: A wimbledon semi final and a queens final

MichaelNadal
03-25-2009, 12:30 PM
Djokovic's credentials on grass and clay:

Clay- Rome champion (2nd biggest tournament on clay), French Open semifinalist two years straight, French Open quarterfinalist the year before that, Monte Carlo and Hamburg semifinalist last year.

Grass- Queens runner up, Wimbledon semifinalist.

Murray?

Exactamente

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:30 PM
Are you implying Gasquet is a rubbish player?

Even if hes got one of the best 1HBH on tour?

I am implying Gasquet is not even close to elite in the current game, which he isnt. If you think he is than you have a grossly inflated opinion of his abilities. I am also implying Safin on a hot day > Gasquet on even his best day on any surface. Safin would have spanked Murray the day he beat Djokovic at last years Wimbledon, and even Gasquet would have straight setted him if he didnt choke.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:31 PM
Djokovic's credentials on grass and clay:

Clay- Rome champion (2nd biggest tournament on clay), French Open semifinalist two years straight, French Open quarterfinalist the year before that, Monte Carlo and Hamburg semifinalist last year.

Grass- Queens runner up, Wimbledon semifinalist.

Murray?

As i already mentioned before.

Murray has never played Queens and has only competed in 3 Wimbledons. One from which was when he broke on to the scene as a British Wild card in 05.. only to be ousted by an in form Nalbandian.

Djokovic also has credentials for losing to a certain Marat Safin who has never really been a danger on grass.

seffina
03-25-2009, 12:32 PM
As i already mentioned before.

Murray has never played Queens and has only competed in 3 Wimbledons. One from which was when he broke on to the scene as a British Wild card in 05.. only to be ousted by an in form Nalbandian.

Djokovic also has credentials for losing to a certain Marat Safin who has never really been a danger on grass.
That's not true. Murray played Queens last year. He retired against Roddick who went on to play Rafa. IIRC.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:32 PM
I am implying Gasquet is not even close to elite in the current game, which he isnt. If you think he is than you have a grossly inflated opinion of his abilities. I am also implying Safin on a hot day > Gasquet on even his best day on any surface. Safin would have spanked Murray the day he beat Djokovic at last years Wimbledon, and even Gasquet would have straight setted him if he didnt choke.

Your opinion of Gasquet is of now, not back then...

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:33 PM
Murray's got all the skills to be very very good on grass. Gilbert said that even though hard courts are what murray prefers, grass is probably murray's best surface because the competition is weaker there.

helloworld
03-25-2009, 12:34 PM
Here's how it goes.
Grass
1.Nadal
2.Federer
3.Murray
4.Djokovic
Clay
1.Nadal
2.Federer
3.Djokovic
4.Murray
Hard
1.Nadal
2.Murray
3.Federer
4.Djokovic

Murray's average ranking is (3+4+2)/3 = 3. Bye bye number 1.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:34 PM
That's not true. Murray played Queens last year. He retired against Roddick who went on to play Rafa. IIRC.

Oh yeah, my appologies and he got to the Quarter's beating Gulbis on his way there?

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:35 PM
Your opinion of Gasquet is of now, not back then...

Gasquet wasnt ever considered one of the elite even this time last year. Do you think one slam semifinal makes him that? I guess Vladimir Voltchkov, Todd Woodbridge (in singles I mean), and Filip DeWulf are elite players too then. Even while clearly not an elite, he still showed he was better than Murray on grass last year barring a meltdown.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 12:36 PM
No chance he will be NO.1 by the end of the year his incompentence on clay and grass will make sure of that.
Not nice. He isn't incompetent; just not great. But I suspect he can beat the vast majority of players on clay.

seffina
03-25-2009, 12:36 PM
Oh yeah, my appologies and he got to the Quarter's beating Gulbis on his way there?

Yes. I saw that, it was a good match. Both got injured during the match I believe. Slipping right and left.

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:37 PM
Here's how it goes.
Grass
1.Nadal
2.Federer
3.Murray
4.Djokovic
Clay
1.Nadal
2.Federer
3.Djokovic
4.Murray
Hard
1.Nadal
2.Murray
3.Federer
4.Djokovic

Murray's average ranking is (3+4+2)/3 = 3. Bye bye number 1.

lol :), he's not even in the picture on clay. Djokovic will give you a wildcard into his new tournament if you can set up a meeting on clay between him and murray.

batz
03-25-2009, 12:37 PM
The only thing thats clear is that he is #4 in the rankings, 3060 points behind Federer. By the way, there are only 11 players that even have a total of 3060 points.


Murray wins Miami (while Djokovic fails to make semi) and the gap will be down to 2070. Murray plays to seeding at Monte Carlo and the gap is down to 920 with the majority of the clay season still to come where Murray is defending jack.

I'm not saying that it will happen, but it could.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:37 PM
Gasquet is a clown no way does he deserve the hype he gets, a nice backhand and thats it he's not even in the top 20 for freakin sake.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:38 PM
Here's how it goes.
Grass
1.Nadal
2.Federer
3.Murray
4.Djokovic

Support from British crowd.

1. Murray
2. Federer
3. Nadal
4. Roddick (Yes, you'd be suprised)

Even Gasquet has a lot of admirers here.

That means your evaluation of how good he is on grass pretty inconclusive in terms of whether he can win Wimbledon or not.

Remember, anything can happen on one given day, he could become inspired by the crowd and play the tennis of his life.

^Isn't totally out of the question.

There's also a tone of Master's series points for him to collect.

Very realistic chance of finishing 2nd and a pop @ 1st. I believe it'll be 1st.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:38 PM
Nadal better than murray on Hard? not a chance.

batz
03-25-2009, 12:40 PM
That's not true. Murray played Queens last year. He retired against Roddick who went on to play Rafa. IIRC.

Also, Murray won his first ATP match at Queens in 2005.

helloworld
03-25-2009, 12:40 PM
lol :), he's not even in the picture on clay. Djokovic will give you a wildcard into his new tournament if you can set up a meeting on clay between him and murray.
I'm only comparing between the 4 players. In reality, if all players are taken into account, he wouldn't even be in the top 5 on clay.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:40 PM
lol :), he's not even in the picture on clay. Djokovic will give you a wildcard into his new tournament if you can set up a meeting on clay between him and murray.

Yeah I am not even totally certain if Djokovic is #3 on clay this year given that he is out of form right now, although if he were really confident he would be in the top 3 on clay IMO. Ferrer and Nalbandian (if in form) and Davydenko (if recovered) are ones who are up there too. All of those plus a number of others would be above Murray on clay. I wouldnt even put him in the top 10 on clay until I see him show something alot more than he has ever shown on clay until now.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:40 PM
Nadal better than murray on Hard? not a chance.

AO champ and Indian Wells champ Murray?

icedevil0289
03-25-2009, 12:40 PM
Here's how it goes.
Grass
1.Nadal
2.Federer
3.Murray
4.Djokovic
Clay
1.Nadal
2.Federer
3.Djokovic
4.Murray
Hard
1.Nadal
2.Murray
3.Federer
4.Djokovic:cry:

Murray's average ranking is (3+4+2)/3 = 3. Bye bye number 1.

so, nadal's the best on grass,clay, and hardcourt. Interesting. I would still give the edge to fed on grass, but I guess based on last year's results and this year's makes sense. We're going to have to wait and see what happens.

MichaelNadal
03-25-2009, 12:40 PM
Hmm considering he has the H2H and a grand slam on hardcourt and beat Verdasco when Murray had just lost? Right.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 12:41 PM
Flakes?

Is this the flake that almost (and probably should have) defeated Nadal the eventual winner, in the Semi finals in an intensly fought 5 set marathon thriller?

As i said your a very mediocre fan who can't see past Federer and Nadal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg1zgLWo6nI&feature=related - Watch this and enlighten yourself.

Verdasco is a different player now a days.

Same flake who consistently choked on set points against Fed at IW. Thats him:).:)

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:41 PM
Yes. I saw that, it was a good match. Both got injured during the match I believe. Slipping right and left.

Right so now let me play the "IF" game.

IF Murray hadn't got injured, he would've made it to the Semi final's of Queen's.. where he'd have come up against Djokovic...

Would people then say he had grass court credentials?

batz
03-25-2009, 12:42 PM
Gasquet is a clown no way does he deserve the hype he gets, a nice backhand and thats it he's not even in the top 20 for freakin sake.

Gasquet made Shanghai in 2007. Not many clowns do that.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:42 PM
Same flake who consistently choked on set points against Fed at IW. Thats him:).:)

Thats irrelevant to a certain degree and you know it :)

He might not be the most mentally of toughest, but he's certainly good enough to beat anyone on his day. His recent form has highlighted that.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:42 PM
AO champ and Indian Wells champ Murray?

Wind was inevitably to blame at IW.

Verdasco was player exceptional tennis.

helloworld
03-25-2009, 12:42 PM
Support from British crowd.

1. Murray
2. Federer
3. Nadal
4. Roddick (Yes, you'd be suprised)

Even Gasquet has a lot of admirers here.

That means your evaluation of how good he is on grass pretty inconclusive in terms of whether he can win Wimbledon or not.

Remember, anything can happen on one given day, he could become inspired by the crowd and play the tennis of his life.

^Isn't totally out of the question.

There's also a tone of Master's series points for him to collect.

Very realistic chance of finishing 2nd and a pop @ 1st. I believe it'll be 1st.

Dude, didn't I tell you to get your medication? :-?

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:43 PM
I'm only comparing between the 4 players. In reality, if all players are taken into account, he wouldn't even be in the top 5 on clay.

Not even top 10

Nadal, Federer, Djoker, Davydenko, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Almagro, Verdasco, and a ton of other South Americans and Europeans could take him out.

seffina
03-25-2009, 12:44 PM
Nadal better than murray on Hard? not a chance.Really? Why do you say so? He currently has exactly the same amount of hard court points as Murray has total points: 7850. He has been the number one hard court player in the last twelve months. One hard court slam, one hard court slam semi, two hard court masters, one Olympic gold, one hard court masters final, two hard court masters semi. He did no worse than a semi at all hard court events except the quarter in Paris where he withdrew b/c of injury.

So there's definitely a chance that Nadal is better than Murray on hard.

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:44 PM
Yeah I am not even totally certain if Djokovic is #3 on clay this year given that he is out of form right now, although if he were really confident he would be in the top 3 on clay IMO. Ferrer and Nalbandian (if in form) and Davydenko (if recovered) are ones who are up there too. All of those plus a number of others would be above Murray on clay. I wouldnt even put him in the top 10 on clay until I see him show something alot more than he has ever shown on clay until now.

I didn't think djokovic would stay in his funk for this long. If I had to guess why I would say the tour has adapted to him a bit and he is finding it difficult to figure out what to do next. I like djokovic but his game has the least variety amongst the top 4 imo.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:45 PM
Support from British crowd.

1. Murray
2. Federer
3. Nadal
4. Roddick (Yes, you'd be suprised)

Even Gasquet has a lot of admirers here.

That means your evaluation of how good he is on grass pretty inconclusive in terms of whether he can win Wimbledon or not.

Remember, anything can happen on one given day, he could become inspired by the crowd and play the tennis of his life.

^Isn't totally out of the question.

There's also a tone of Master's series points for him to collect.

Very realistic chance of finishing 2nd and a pop @ 1st. I believe it'll be 1st.



I fell out of my chair laughing Murray ahead of Nadal on Fed on grass based on what? And the home crowd thing adds extra pressure.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:45 PM
Really? Why do you say so? He currently has exactly the same amount of hard court points as Murray has total points: 7850. He has been the number one hard court player in the last twelve months. One hard court slam, one hard court slam semi, two hard court masters, one Olympic gold, one hard court masters final, two hard court masters semi. He did no worse than a semi at all hard court events except the quarter in Paris where he withdrew b/c of injury.

So there's definitely a chance that Nadal is better than Murray on hard.

Who became victorious at last year's USO semi final against Nadal?

In the past 2 years, nadal has beaten murray once on HC (IW) and that was due to immense wind. Which obviously Nadal can handle.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:46 PM
I fell out of my chair laughing Murray ahead of Nadal on Fed on grass based on what? And the home crowd thing adds extra pressure.

I was ranking them in terms of British love incase you didn't notice.

Naturally Federer and Nadal are much better player's on grass.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:48 PM
I was ranking them in terms of British love incase you didn't notice.

Naturally Federer and Nadal are much better player's on grass.

Didn't help Henman a jib, Murray like Henman will run into better players and that will be his downfall British crowd or no British crowd.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:48 PM
Dude, didn't I tell you to get your medication? :-?

I'm not arguing Federer and Nadal are more accomplished on grass, just saying the British support is a lot more spirited and aiding than anything you'd ever see outside of the Davis cup.

Remember Wimbledon hasn't had a British winner in donkey's years.

seffina
03-25-2009, 12:48 PM
Also, Murray won his first ATP match at Queens in 2005.Thanks. He also played in 06. http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=0&player=MC10&selTournament=311&prevtrnnum=0

tacou
03-25-2009, 12:48 PM
I didn't read the whole "Vows" article but I only found the same quote the OP posted, which is true. If Murray holds 86% of service games ALL year, how would he not be #1?? what, with his return being so tasty.

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:49 PM
"british love" a key variable in any wimbledon encounter. :)

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:49 PM
Didn't help Henman a jib, Murray like Henman will run into better players and that will be his downfall British crowd or no British crowd.

Didn't help Henman? Are you nuts?

Wimbledon SF (1998, 1999, 2001, 2002)

Just ask GameSampras why Henman never won Wimbledon.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 12:49 PM
Delusional. Nadal already has collected many more points in the early going on hard courts, so Murray would do well to even outperform Nadal, the very determined and now formidable hard court player, enough on hard courts from here to even break even. Then on clay he has no shot to even come close to the points Nadal will achieve, even in the unlikely event he won Wimbledon (which I doubt). I like both players but this is crazy talk.Yep. I sure agree with you. No matter what happens to Federer or Djokovic, Nadal is going to stay #1 this year and probably longer. Murray is just blustering and I have a feeling he'll end up paying for it, if he stumbles somewhere along the way, which can happen to any player.

shadows
03-25-2009, 12:50 PM
The one thing with British support is actually dealing with it. As a nation we tend to whip up the most horrendous hype around any sporting chances (probably because they actually occur so rarely) and the pressure to perform under it is liable to be monstrous.

I'm not saying Murray is likely to crack or anything like that, but it can be a double edged sword at times.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 12:51 PM
Didn't help Henman a jib, Murray like Henman will run into better players and that will be his downfall British crowd or no British crowd.

Same with Virginia Wade. Granted she did finally sneak out a Wimbledon towards the end of her career. However while she was an excellent player the crowd didnt help her continously get her *** kicked by the big 5 superior women players of her time: Court, King, Navratilova, Evert, and Goolagong at Wimbledon for years.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:52 PM
Didn't help Henman? Are you nuts?

Wimbledon SF (1998, 1999, 2001, 2002)

Just ask GameSampras why Henman never won Wimbledon.

Bare in mind 2001 Henman beat Federer. (And yes, most people wouldn't believe that.)

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:53 PM
The one thing with British support is actually dealing with it. As a nation we tend to whip up the most horrendous hype around any sporting chances (probably because they actually occur so rarely) and the pressure to perform under it is liable to be monstrous.

I'm not saying Murray is likely to crack or anything like that, but it can be a double edged sword at times.

he used the crowd support quite well against gasquet. That was pretty awesome, although I am sure gasquet fans were annoyed as hell. :)

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:53 PM
The one thing with British support is actually dealing with it. As a nation we tend to whip up the most horrendous hype around any sporting chances (probably because they actually occur so rarely) and the pressure to perform under it is liable to be monstrous.

I'm not saying Murray is likely to crack or anything like that, but it can be a double edged sword at times.

I agree and under any with most other player's i would mostly agree, its only Murray has that sort of personality where by he thrives under pressure and a lot the noise and support helps his game. He can be as intense and pumped up as Nadal when he wants to be.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 12:53 PM
Since this new ATP World thing, i dont know whether that is a big gap or not. :-?Thats a huge gap. Only 4 players in the world even have 7000 points. Murray has 7850.

seffina
03-25-2009, 12:54 PM
Who became victorious at last year's USO semi final against Nadal?

In the past 2 years, nadal has beaten murray once on HC (IW) and that was due to immense wind. Which obviously Nadal can handle.

No, if looking at past two years, he also beat Murray in Canada on his way to win that Masters shield. He also beat Murray in Madrid in 07 on hard. Hasn't been two years since that loss for Murray either.

I'm aware that Murray beat Nadal at the USO, but Rafa holds a 4-2 overall edge on hard and a 6-2 edge overall. And you said that there was no chance Nadal was better than Murray on hard and that is simply not true as Nadal is clearly the best player on all surfaces at the moment. The results show that. He has outperformed Murray (and everyone else) on the hard courts recently.

I don't dislike Murray at all, but it's just silly to say that NO CHANCE he is better than Murray.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:54 PM
Didn't help Henman? Are you nuts?

Wimbledon SF (1998, 1999, 2001, 2002)

Just ask GameSampras why Henman never won Wimbledon.

Can you read? that was my point Henman dispite the support he got it was not enough to overcome the suprior player in Sampras that was my point with Murray and Nad/Fed.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:54 PM
Bare in mind 2001 Henman beat Federer. (And yes, most people wouldn't believe that.)

The guy who conquered Sampras.

These American's don't realise how much the British crowd actually play a role.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:55 PM
Can you read? that was my point Henman dispite the support he got it was not enough to overcome the suprior player in Sampras that was my point with Murray and Nad/Fed.

Sampras is arguably the best ever grass courter the game has ever seen?

Henman never had a chance, despite the raging support.

How much further can i break this down for you?

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:55 PM
The guy who conquered Sampras.

These American's don't realise how much the British crowd actually play a role.

Im not American Im english.

shadows
03-25-2009, 12:55 PM
he used the crowd support quite well against gasquet. That was pretty awesome, although I am sure gasquet fans were annoyed as hell. :)

There's a difference between crowd support during a match and pre-tournament hype. The former is probably going to get the adrenaline pumping and in most cases will be likely to help you out during a match, the latter can be overwhelming and cause your performance to suffer even before you get out on court.

seffina
03-25-2009, 12:56 PM
Thats a huge gap. Only 4 players in the world even have 7000 points. Murray has 7850.

As I said in one of the posts, Rafa has as many hard court points as Murray has total points. It's a big gap.

maximo
03-25-2009, 12:56 PM
No, if looking at past two years, he also beat Murray in Canada on his way to win that Masters shield. He also beat Murray in Madrid in 07 on hard. Hasn't been two years since that loss for Murray either.

I'm aware that Murray beat Nadal at the USO, but Rafa holds a 4-2 overall edge on hard and a 6-2 edge overall. And you said that there was no chance Nadal was better than Murray on hard and that is simply not true as Nadal is clearly the best player on all surfaces at the moment. The results show that. He has outperformed Murray (and everyone else) on the hard courts recently.

I don't dislike Murray at all, but it's just silly to say that NO CHANCE he is better than Murray.

Did you count Rotterdam? How about Abu Dhabi?

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:57 PM
Sampras is arguably the best ever grass courter the game has ever seen?

Henman never had a chance, despite the raging support.

How much further can i break this down for you?

So is Fed, Murray doesn't have a chance

How much further can i break this down for you?

seffina
03-25-2009, 12:58 PM
Right so now let me play the "IF" game.

IF Murray hadn't got injured, he would've made it to the Semi final's of Queen's.. where he'd have come up against Djokovic...

Would people then say he had grass court credentials?
Actually, if he had played against Roddick and beaten him, he would have come against Nadal. Djokovic was on the other side of the draw and Nadal and Djokovic played one of the better grass court matches of last year in that final. Fantastic match.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 12:58 PM
Im not American Im english.

Then your even more naive as i thought. lol

I'll let you off tho, coz your an Arsenal supporter ;)

shadows
03-25-2009, 12:58 PM
Did you count Rotterdam? How about Abu Dhabi?

even including Abu Dhabi it only reduces things to 6-3 overall

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 12:59 PM
Then your even more naive as i thought. lol

I'll let you off tho, coz your an Arsenal supporter ;)

Who do you support Spurs?

bolo
03-25-2009, 12:59 PM
There's a difference between crowd support during a match and pre-tournament hype. The former is probably going to get the adrenaline pumping and in most cases will be likely to help you out during a match, the latter can be overwhelming and cause your performance to suffer even before you get out on court.

that's a good way of putting it. I got the impression henman was affected negatively by the pre-match hype.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 01:00 PM
Actually, if he had played against Roddick and beaten him, he would have come against Nadal. Djokovic was on the other side of the draw and Nadal and Djokovic played one of the better grass court matches of last year in that final. Fantastic match.

I unfortunetely missed the Queen's tournament last year, as i was on holiday @ the time.

Apparently Djokovic missed some opportunities.

seffina
03-25-2009, 01:00 PM
Did you count Rotterdam? How about Abu Dhabi?

Abu Dhabi was an exo, so no I didn't count it. The only time Murray has beaten Rafa were at the USO semi and the Rotterdam final. Two losses. Rafa has beaten Andy six times including four time on hard surfaces. If you want to count Abu Dhabi that's still a 4-3 Rafa advantage on hard all since AO 2007 (the first time they met). Again not saying Murray isn't a great player and is one of the best players on the hard courts today. Just that it's not like he dominates Rafa.

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 01:01 PM
Who do you support Spurs?

Don't insult me.

I'm a Gooner.

bolo
03-25-2009, 01:02 PM
Actually, if he had played against Roddick and beaten him, he would have come against Nadal. Djokovic was on the other side of the draw and Nadal and Djokovic played one of the better grass court matches of last year in that final. Fantastic match.

Nadal put a little worm in djokovic's head in that match. I think djokovic expected to steamroll rafa and nadal just would not go away. You also saw another one of those monstrous forehands that djokovic hits when he is absolutely frustrated with how a match has developed.

Great match.

OliverSimon
03-25-2009, 01:02 PM
Right now murray is playing like the #2 in the world
He won't beat Nadal soon though!1
(Im not a fan of nadal just layin down the facts)

Tennis_Maestro
03-25-2009, 01:02 PM
I'm off to watch the Apprentice.

*Booksmark thread for December*

Catch you lot later.

bolo
03-25-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm off to watch the Apprentice.

*Booksmark thread for December*

Catch you lot later.


I will be impressed if you bring back this thread in december. You know having been wrong and all. :)

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 01:05 PM
Don't insult me.

I'm a Gooner.

Good lad.:)

batz
03-25-2009, 01:06 PM
Nadal put a little worm in djokovic's head in that match. I think djokovic expected to steamroll rafa and nadal just would not go away. You also saw another one of those monstrous forehands that djokovic hits when he is absolutely frustrated with how a match has developed.

Great match.

Certainly was - one of the best 3 setters of last year. Your worm in Novak's head comment is interesting - he did go pretty much downhill in terms of his perfromance after Queens.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 01:09 PM
the big thing that people forget is that murray isnt defending very many points except at a few tourneys, fed and nadal on the other hand, are defending their points at nearly every tourney, not gaining any, but defending those they have. Well not quite. He has 1000 in Madrid, 500 at Wimbledon, 450 in Toronto, 1000 in Cincinnati, 1400 USO, and 500 at St.Pete. Thats 5350 points.

A similar selection of large amount of points that Federer needs to defend includes: 700 in Monte Carlo, which he will not play, 450 Madrid, 1400 FO, 450 Halle, 1400 Wimby, 700 Hamburg, 500 Basel. Thats 4900 points. And Federer is 3060 points ahead of Murray.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 01:10 PM
Bare in mind 2001 Henman beat Federer. (And yes, most people wouldn't believe that.)

Yea Pete lost to Roger that year, and Henman beat Roger the round after. Go figure

Alexio92
03-25-2009, 01:10 PM
Lets say he wins:
Monte Carlo, Madrid, Queens, Miami and Some other 1000 series

And gets to the final atleast of roland garros and wimbledon

Plus Nadal loses early or doesnt play some events due to injury then there is no reason why he cant do it.

miyagi
03-25-2009, 01:10 PM
Many believe they will be #1 but few are!

Nothing wrong with him believing that....I dont see him doing it especially if Rafa is as dominant as previous years on clay.

Looking forward to watching this unfold!

bolo
03-25-2009, 01:11 PM
Certainly was - one of the best 3 setters of last year. Your worm in Novak's head comment is interesting - he did go pretty much downhill in terms of his perfromance after Queens.

others have said it too. :)

Actually when the match happened I figured it was actually bad for nadal because djokovic learned more new information from that match than nadal (that nadal is no pushover even on a fast court). But nadal has really exploded his game since that part of the year. Hopefully they meet on hardcoutts again soon.

luckyboy1300
03-25-2009, 01:11 PM
So arrogant

i'm with you pal, i mean only nadal has a right to say that!!

lol kidding aside, i think he can. he has the right weapons to acheive that but he needs to fix his mental consistency because it tends to breakdown on big occassions.

SempreSami
03-25-2009, 01:12 PM
Murray's lack of respect to Nadal and Federer angers me they are both far superior players to the overhyped HC specialist.

At least he hasn't been in transition for the past four or five years. How many seasons have Gooners said something along the lines of "WE'LL DEFINITELY WIN THE LEAGUE NEXT SEASON, LOOK AT THE YOUNG TALENT WE POSSESS". :roll:

bolo
03-25-2009, 01:13 PM
Lets say he wins:
Monte Carlo, Madrid, Queens, Miami and Some other 1000 series

And gets to the final atleast of roland garros and wimbledon

Plus Nadal loses early or doesnt play some events due to injury then there is no reason why he cant do it.

lol. :) 10 char.

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 01:15 PM
At least he hasn't been in transition for the past four or five years. How many seasons have Gooners said something along the lines of "WE'LL DEFINITELY WIN THE LEAGUE NEXT SEASON, LOOK AT THE YOUNG TALENT WE POSSESS". :roll:

Look at the young talent we possess
Vela, Ramsey, Merida, Wilshere, Bendtner, Walcott, Gibbs. Let me guess you're a Manc?:rolleyes:

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 01:16 PM
Oh SempreSami Grame Smith is a muppet.

grafselesfan
03-25-2009, 01:16 PM
Look at the young talent we possess
Vela, Ramsey, Merida, Wilshere, Bendtner, Walcott, Gibbs. Let me guess you're a Manc?:rolleyes:

So Van Persie is no longer young talent, he is my favorite player. :)

deltox
03-25-2009, 01:20 PM
Well not quite. He has 1000 in Madrid, 500 at Wimbledon, 450 in Toronto, 1000 in Cincinnati, 1400 USO, and 500 at St.Pete. Thats 5350 points.

A similar selection of large amount of points that Federer needs to defend includes: 700 in Monte Carlo, which he will not play, 450 Madrid, 1400 FO, 450 Halle, 1400 Wimby, 700 Hamburg, 500 Basel. Thats 4900 points. And Federer is 3060 points ahead of Murray.

so if murray wins monte carlo and fed doesnt play thats a 1400 point swing in points.. fed loosing 700 and murray gaining 700. cuts his lead in half at one event.. but lotsa ifs in there.. all im saying is its still a mathematic possiblity

Cesc Fabregas
03-25-2009, 01:21 PM
Forget ifs and buts Murray wont win Monte Carlo.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 01:23 PM
He's never going to get to number 1 by getting knocked out by flakes like Verdasco.A flake?? I gather you did not see the AO where he beat Tsonga and came darn close to taking out Nadal.

deltox
03-25-2009, 01:25 PM
Forget ifs and buts Murray wont win Monte Carlo.

regardless of his finish, fed will lose 700 points if he doesnt play.. if murray does ok he gets 400.. still 1100 points off the lead

Gugafan
03-25-2009, 01:27 PM
Lets applaude this guy for actually thinking for himself and not giving in to all the mediocre hype about Murray only being accomplished on hardcourt.

As much as I admire Murrays dedication, he has yet to prove himself as a legitimite contender to the top 2 on grass or Clay.

There are many guys that can play on dirt, hence ranking may not necessarily help you get a good draw at RG. In addition, there is a plethora of lesser ranked Spaniards or South Americans that could easily outgrind Murray over 5 sets.

Murrays improved serve will certainly give him hope of success at Wimbledon. Infact there are not many guys outside Federer and Nadal that are true grasscourt players like you had in the 90's. Unless Murray can get to the finals of Wimbledon, I dont see him getting anywhere near no 1.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 01:29 PM
Exactly!! Jeez, the Murray fans are ridiculous sometimes. He will not be number 1 this year. In the words of my grandma, thats "fool talk"
Your grandma plays tennis??

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 01:35 PM
What surface is Djokovic good on, besides HC? :dClay? He did lose to Nadal in the semis at the FO, but thats not bad.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 01:39 PM
Djokovic's credentials on grass and clay:

Clay- Rome champion (2nd biggest tournament on clay), French Open semifinalist two years straight, French Open quarterfinalist the year before that, Monte Carlo and Hamburg semifinalist last year.

Grass- Queens runner up, Wimbledon semifinalist.

Murray?Hey, thanks for the stats. Yours is a lot better answer than mine to the same question.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 01:51 PM
so if murray wins monte carlo and fed doesnt play thats a 1400 point swing in points.. fed loosing 700 and murray gaining 700. cuts his lead in half at one event.. but lotsa ifs in there.. all im saying is its still a mathematic possiblity
I was only responding to the comment that Murray has little to defend while others have a lot. Thats just not the case. Remember, Murray had a slow start last year and then picked up the pace a lot. So, until Wimby, he only has Madrid to worry about.

egn
03-25-2009, 01:51 PM
I call this the Djokovic kiss of death.

Blinkism
03-25-2009, 01:52 PM
Murray has to win every non-clay, non-grass event just to close in on Nadal.

If Nadal is in the final of most of those events that Murray wins, and add to that the FO (mostly likely a lock) and going deep into Wimby (atLEAST semi's), and it looks impossible for Murray to overtake Nadal in points.

He could do it early 2010 if all goes right for him, @ the AO.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 01:54 PM
regardless of his finish, fed will lose 700 points if he doesnt play.. if murray does ok he gets 400.. still 1100 points off the leadMonte Carlo is not on Federer's schedule, so he will lose the 700 points, and neither is Estoril, 350 points.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 01:58 PM
By the way, Oy Vey, great thread. But you didn't post a thing? What happened? Look at the interest it created. 215 posts and 1700 viewers in two hours!!

TheTruth
03-25-2009, 02:06 PM
The aroggance of the man ceases to amaze me he hasn't even won a freakin major yet and he's talking about being world number 1 after kind of laughable seeing he just got blown off the court by the world number 1, overrated clown.

I'm with you on this one. He's got skills, but he still hasn't won anything. Whenever he's had a chance to step it up on the big stage he's faltered, so it seems a pretty big claim to me at this point.

Here we go again. All talk and no action. It is much too early in the year for this.

Guess they didn't learn anything from Rafa at all. No talk.

JUST DO IT!

Tennis_Bum
03-25-2009, 02:09 PM
I'm a big believer he will be.

If the rankings remain the same for Wimbledon, he'll ofcourse meet Federer in the Semi finals. I believe he'll beat Federer in 5 extremely tight sets with the British support behind him.

After that its Nadal in the final .. and i'd have money to win that.... saying that he doesn't, STILL leaves him with a huge chance.

People on this board, especially the hardcore Federer and Nadal fans fail to see just how far Murray has come with his game since going out last year to Nadal in Wimbledon.

He's improved his second serve hugely!

Anyway, after winning or being a finalist @ Wimby, i reckon he'll just out muscle Nadal in Master's series victories (being a better hardcourter), thus moving him to second.

...to cap it all off he'll win the US Open.

Accumilating enough points to finish the year in 1st.

Naturally, you are a Brit so you are going to back up Murray. But making statements like that is too premature. He at least has to win something like a slam to rake those points. Frankly, he has not learn his Australian lesson. He went there thinking that he was going to win it because of the warm-up tourneys. Of course, he crashed against Verdasco.

Until he proves that he can win and actually win the slam, he is making a fool of himself if he falls slightly short of his projection.

Of course, I am no Murray's fan. I think his tennis is quite boring. He's nothing but a pusher with excellent results. I don't think he's a genius. He's more of a whiner when he loses. But that's how I see it.

seffina
03-25-2009, 02:11 PM
So, until Wimby, he only has Madrid to worry about.
He doesn't have to worry about Madrid either as the points he earned last year won't drop until 19th of October. There will be two Madrid scores after May.

TheTruth
03-25-2009, 02:19 PM
It's nice for murray to be confident, but it's too early to talk about being number 1; although we don't have a full transcript of the interview (which is critical, since journalists do their best to create a story regardless of whether it reflects the true TONE of the interview. Seriously, most journalism is shockingly bad). Murray should be saying something like, "I believe I can get to number one if I continue to improve and work hard. But there are other great players in the top 5 and it is too early for me to make predictions. If I focus on my game and winning as many tournaments as possible, the ranking will take care of itself." When murray is number 2 and has a slam under his belt, then he can start to talk about the number 1 ranking.

Become a publicist. These guys surely need one. They think they can just spout out everything that comes into their head. Irresponsible!

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 02:22 PM
He doesn't have to worry about Madrid either as the points he earned last year won't drop until 19th of October. There will be two Madrid scores after May.Right on! Boy, you are sharp. Thanks very much. Incredible. He will actually gain Madrid points in May and then lose 1000 in October.

I've got to start keeping track as to when the points will drop and not when the tournament is played.

TheTruth
03-25-2009, 02:23 PM
Safin would have hammered Murray that same day. Murray was getting beaten badly by Gasquet and would have lost in 3 sets without Gasquet choking, and Gasquet's cant reach a hot Safin's level of tennis even on grass. The tennis played on Queens by Djokovic, as well as Wimbledon 2008 where he beat an in form Hewitt and in form Baghdatis, is far superior to anything Murray has produced on grass ever.

That's very true, and is everyone forgetting that Andy was out for awhile? He came back at the end of a very tough season when the big boys were a wee bit banged up. Sorry, Andy needs to produce something first. He's only going to be successful at raising the hackles of the big boys.

klementine79
03-25-2009, 02:29 PM
1.) The clay season is coming up

2.) The rest of the field needs to make a living as well .. i.e.-Verdasco, Tsonga, Davydenko, Djokovic, Federer, Roddick, Del Potro etc. etc.

3.) Murray holds 9 titles on hard court, 1 on carpet and 0 on grass and clay.. 1/3 of the season is out of the question for Murray.. Statistically.

He will be lucky if he can retain #4 by the end of the year...

And why is everyone calling him 'british'-- the man was born in Dunblane, Scotland. HE IS SCOTTISH !!!!!!!!

psYcon
03-25-2009, 02:29 PM
if Murray becomes #1 without winning a grandslam then so be it.

TheTruth
03-25-2009, 02:31 PM
Gasquet is a clown no way does he deserve the hype he gets, a nice backhand and thats it he's not even in the top 20 for freakin sake.

I don't understand the hype either. Gasquet is too prone to meltdowns to be considered an elite player. Fact, I can only think of one match where Gasquet fought to the end and conquered, other than that, he's been a huge disappointment.

Leublu tennis
03-25-2009, 02:33 PM
This year, I think he has only one shot, and thats the USO.

Blinkism
03-25-2009, 02:39 PM
I love how people are totally discrediting Federer. I mean, I'm a Nadal fan, but Fed is the second favourite in every slam from now on as the runner up in the next 2 and the defending-champion (beating MURRAY, mind you, in the final) at the USO.

And I have a feeling Djoko will find his stride again as he'll pick up more ranking points on clay than Murray and it'll come down to Wimby to see who stays or becomes #3.

Discussions of Murray becoming #1 are ridiculous this year.

Bud
03-25-2009, 02:44 PM
Lets say he wins:
Monte Carlo, Madrid, Queens, Miami and Some other 1000 series

And gets to the final atleast of roland garros and wimbledon

Plus Nadal loses early or doesnt play some events due to injury then there is no reason why he cant do it.

Yes, and let's assume pigs fly... :lol:

veroniquem
03-25-2009, 02:57 PM
Final @ Wimby, a collection of Master's series events, coupled with a few ATP one's plus the US Open and he'll be number 1.

^^ That in all, is a very strong possibility.

I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of Nadal becoming injured.
That is absolutely ludicrous. None of what you're mentioning would add up to 7000 points, very far from it. You're completely deluded. He was a finalist in USO last year, semi in Canada and winner in Cincinnati, there are very few points he can win on hard court this year...
And whoever says Murray can beat Nadal on clay is on crack. Murray's best weapon to bother Rafa on hard is his serve. On clay, it would be an absolute miracle if he took a set from him.
Murray may well become #1 in the future but not this year when Nadal is hitting his peak. Let's see if Murray can get to #3 first and then if he can win a major. People are completely jumping the gun here. And let me remind you that at the Master Cup, on a surface that was ideally suited to his game, Murray despite beating Fed, did not manage to grab the title. He's still very liable to counterperfs even on hard. So let's take it easy now.

veroniquem
03-25-2009, 03:05 PM
1.) The clay season is coming up

2.) The rest of the field needs to make a living as well .. i.e.-Verdasco, Tsonga, Davydenko, Djokovic, Federer, Roddick, Del Potro etc. etc.

3.) Murray holds 9 titles on hard court, 1 on carpet and 0 on grass and clay.. 1/3 of the season is out of the question for Murray.. Statistically.

He will be lucky if he can retain #4 by the end of the year...

And why is everyone calling him 'british'-- the man was born in Dunblane, Scotland. HE IS SCOTTISH !!!!!!!!
Well, he is British, Scotland is a part of Great-Britain, he's not English (from England) but he is British...

veroniquem
03-25-2009, 03:16 PM
Lets say he wins:
Monte Carlo, Madrid, Queens, Miami and Some other 1000 series

And gets to the final atleast of roland garros and wimbledon

Plus Nadal loses early or doesnt play some events due to injury then there is no reason why he cant do it.
:shock::shock: :lol::lol:

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 03:17 PM
Maybe Murray's quote was Incorrect. He might have said he will be #1 by the end of next year or somethiing. Its a long shot.. and I mean a LONG SHOTTTTTTTTTT, that Nadal will be overtaken this year, now that he has won the AO

Rickson
03-25-2009, 03:19 PM
Murray would be lucky to get to #3 this year. Murray won't see #1 for a long time if ever.

veroniquem
03-25-2009, 03:23 PM
Bare in mind 2001 Henman beat Federer. (And yes, most people wouldn't believe that.)
Actually Henman led Federer 5-1 around 2003. Henman, Nalbandian and Hewitt were the 3 nemesis of Fed in the early stages of his career.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Actually Henman led Federer 5-1 around 2003. Henman, Nalbandian and Hewitt were the 3 nemesis of Fed in the early stages of his career.

If u want to call them that once Fed hit his prime:).. Definitely the beginning stages but even 31 year old Andre whiped Fed off the court at the USO back then

veroniquem
03-25-2009, 03:28 PM
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veroniquem
03-25-2009, 03:49 PM
Who became victorious at last year's USO semi final against Nadal?

In the past 2 years, nadal has beaten murray once on HC (IW) and that was due to immense wind. Which obviously Nadal can handle.
Another bout of insanity! What's wrong with you guys? In the past 2 years, Nadal has beaten Murray at AO and in Madrid master (2007) + in the semi-final of Canada master (July 2008).
Please check your facts before posting.

VivalaVida
03-25-2009, 04:25 PM
If u want to call them that once Fed hit his prime:).. Definitely the beginning stages but even 31 year old Andre whiped Fed off the court at the USO back then
so? Agassi at 31 was playing some of the best tennis of career.

GameSampras
03-25-2009, 04:47 PM
so? Agassi at 31 was playing some of the best tennis of career.

Not at 31.. overrall outside his match with Pete there at the USO which was one for the ages and that Australian. But overrall I dont think it was one of Andre's best years. Just my opinion. He was looking far better in 99 I think.

Morrissey
03-25-2009, 05:23 PM
so, nadal's the best on grass,clay, and hardcourt. Interesting. I would still give the edge to fed on grass, but I guess based on last year's results and this year's makes sense. We're going to have to wait and see what happens.

Well Nadal is the French, Wimby and Australian Open champ. He should be the favorite on those surfaces.

Morrissey
03-25-2009, 05:27 PM
Maestro is off his rocker. Murray should NOT be considered a favorite at ANY slam above Nadal or Federer this year. Let him win a slam first before he earns that priviledge. And the only guy who can possibly take #1 away from Nadal this year is Fed and that's looking slim as we head into the clay season.

Morrissey
03-25-2009, 05:37 PM
1.) The clay season is coming up

2.) The rest of the field needs to make a living as well .. i.e.-Verdasco, Tsonga, Davydenko, Djokovic, Federer, Roddick, Del Potro etc. etc.

3.) Murray holds 9 titles on hard court, 1 on carpet and 0 on grass and clay.. 1/3 of the season is out of the question for Murray.. Statistically.

He will be lucky if he can retain #4 by the end of the year...

And why is everyone calling him 'british'-- the man was born in Dunblane, Scotland. HE IS SCOTTISH !!!!!!!!

He's British now, but if he starts to have a slump the English press will call him Scottish again. A home crowd can only do so much for a player. They couldn't bring Tim home all those years. Murray is better than Henman, but if he wants to win Wimby, he needs to do something monuMENTAL. Sometimes a home crowd makes a player even more nervous.

Gugafan
03-25-2009, 06:01 PM
He's British now, but if he starts to have a slump the English press will call him Scottish again. A home crowd can only do so much for a player. They couldn't bring Tim home all those years. Murray is better than Henman, but if he wants to win Wimby, he needs to do something monuMENTAL. Sometimes a home crowd makes a player even more nervous.

Murray is not the most popular guy in England, largely due to his disregard of DC. He has also made some comments about supporting the opposition team that plays England in football, which did not go down well with the English public. That being said, come Wimbledon the whole of Britain including non-tennis fans tend to unite in hope of Murray emulating the success of Fred Perry....Added pressure perhaps, but I dont think a 2 sets to love comeback was possible without the crowd at Wimbledon last year.

With Murray at least you have a guy who knows how to work the crowd. In contrast, you would be lucky to get a fist pump out of Henman throughout the tournament.

jaggy
03-25-2009, 06:06 PM
Im not convinced that Murray can beat Nadal and Federer back to back which he may have to do to win a slam this year. He is a contender but never more than 3rd or 4th fav.

oy vey
03-25-2009, 06:11 PM
"By the way, Oy Vey, great thread. But you didn't post a thing? What happened? Look at the interest it created. 215 posts and 1700 viewers in two hours!!"

Thanks Leublu, I never realized it would friend.

"Murray should NOT be considered a favorite at ANY slam above Nadal or Federer this year"

Morrisey, but everyone thought he would take the AO. Amazing.

tahiti
03-26-2009, 12:29 AM
I have great faith in Murray but it's rather ambitious to say no.1 .....One never knows of course if Rafa were to be injured.....for sure he's moving up and maybe to no. 1 BUT by the end of the year?????? Well it's a good goal to set and we'll see....but first he must overtake Federer.

rafan
03-26-2009, 04:32 AM
It was that kind of dedication and desire that kept Nadal going when Federer was at the top.

It's highly unlikely he'll finish at number one but it's great for the game that he's goint to push Nadal as hard as he possibly can.

Well its really also good to know we have someone out there, like Murray, who has the hunger to win because the other top ten seem to be taking a holiday

batz
03-26-2009, 06:49 AM
Murray is not the most popular guy in England, largely due to his disregard of DC. He has also made some comments about supporting the opposition team that plays England in football, which did not go down well with the English public. That being said, come Wimbledon the whole of Britain including non-tennis fans tend to unite in hope of Murray emulating the success of Fred Perry....Added pressure perhaps, but I dont think a 2 sets to love comeback was possible without the crowd at Wimbledon last year.

With Murray at least you have a guy who knows how to work the crowd. In contrast, you would be lucky to get a fist pump out of Henman throughout the tournament.


Not you too Gugafan, I had you down as being a bit better informed than that.


Agree 100% with your second statement in bold.

Cesc Fabregas
03-26-2009, 06:51 AM
Not you too Gugafan, I had you down as being a bit better informed than that.


Agree 100% with your second statement in bold.

Its true he's anti english.