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deltox
03-29-2009, 09:44 AM
Who was the best counter-puncher in history?


My vote goes to Andre Agassi - He was known for taking even 100+ mph forehands on the short hop and driving them instead of volleying them. Even roddicks 140 MPH serves were attacked by him at the slam when roddick was #1 and he was #11. He had insane ball vision and picked up shots way early by comparison to most other players.

VivalaVida
03-29-2009, 09:46 AM
hmm, I never considered Andre to be a counter puncher. He had really big ground strokes, kinda like safin and he hit tons of winners rather than retrieve.

lawrence
03-29-2009, 09:47 AM
fed and sampras are counter punchers :S ?

VivalaVida
03-29-2009, 09:50 AM
I didnt know edberg was a counter puncher. :-?

Breaker
03-29-2009, 09:50 AM
The only people on that list who MAY be considered counterpunchers are Borg and Nadal.

Think Hewitt as the prototype counterpuncher.

deltox
03-29-2009, 09:51 AM
fed and sampras are counter punchers :S ?

i dont see sampras as one. i guess i dont associate serve and volley with attacking an offensive shot.

icedevil0289
03-29-2009, 09:54 AM
I'm pretty sure fed, sampras, and edberg are not counter-punchers. I wouldn't really consider agassi one either.

JeMar
03-29-2009, 09:57 AM
This list needs some work.

deltox
03-29-2009, 10:12 AM
ok, so maybe im thinking of a counter puncher as a different style of play

to me a counter puncher is one to takes a shot made by the opponent as an attempted winner or really strong shot, they take the shot in an attacking of offensive way to try to win off an attempted winner.

counter punchers imo, attack big first serves etc.

am i wrong in my definition?

for instance, i consider nadal as a defensive person, who just grinds out points, where as counter punchers make points as short as possible.

JeMar
03-29-2009, 10:17 AM
A counter-puncher is more like a player that uses his opponents' pace, doesn't make a lot of errors off the ground, moves the ball around and mixes up the spin in order to keep his opponent from getting comfortable during a point. Murray is a modern example of a counter-puncher, with Hewitt being the best iteration from the last generation.

What you're thinking about are aggressive baseliners and even serve and volley players.

deltox
03-29-2009, 10:20 AM
A counter-puncher is more like a player that uses his opponents' pace, doesn't make a lot of errors off the ground, moves the ball around and mixes up the spin in order to keep his opponent from getting comfortable during a point. Murray is a modern example of a counter-puncher, with Hewitt being the best iteration from the last generation.

What you're thinking about are aggressive baseliners and even serve and volley players.

after looking the definition up i think there isnt really a category for what im thinking.

my bad totally guys. guess i totally misworded this one.

BreakPoint
03-29-2009, 10:29 AM
Where are Hewitt and Chang? :confused:

Murray is also pretty good at absorbing and redirecting pace.

clayman2000
03-29-2009, 10:32 AM
With all due respect, this is horrible

First of all you cant spell Lendll's name
Sampras - S&V
Federer - agressive basliner

Nadal is not a counter puncher. IF you dont believe me watch his match against Roddick at IW.

Hewitt should be on this list

Agassi was anything but a counter puncher

even the Borg's and Lendlls were not pure counter punchers

tsongaali
03-29-2009, 10:33 AM
counterpuncher list without hewitt=FAIL:)

whoopinstick
03-29-2009, 10:37 AM
Why wasn't Hewitt up there? I thought he was a better counter-puncher than all of those guys.

sliderman365
03-29-2009, 12:57 PM
SIMON probly the best counter-puncher in tennis right now

joshburger
03-29-2009, 01:03 PM
michael chang

DynastyFury
03-29-2009, 01:17 PM
Lleyton Hewitt...

http://www.****************.com/showthread.php?t=105107
This is where I get the idea of a counterpuncher from... also the definition in the sticky in this forum.

DynastyFury
03-29-2009, 01:18 PM
Aww yikes... scratch the above ... I can't edit it ?? -.-

Warriorroger
03-29-2009, 02:47 PM
I voted Nadal, but calling him a counterpuncher is not doing him justice. I think counterpunching ended with Hewitt.

NotSoSuper
03-29-2009, 02:53 PM
Of the players in the poll, nadal is the best. But why didnt you add somebody like hewitt or chang?

Serve_Ace
03-29-2009, 03:18 PM
Simon is a pretty good counter puncher if you ask me

ShcMad
03-29-2009, 03:53 PM
With all due respect, this is horrible

First of all you cant spell Lendll's name
Sampras - S&V
Federer - agressive basliner

Nadal is not a counter puncher. IF you dont believe me watch his match against Roddick at IW.

Hewitt should be on this list

Agassi was anything but a counter puncher

even the Borg's and Lendlls were not pure counter punchers

I'm sorry but I found that a little ironic and funny at the same time. :)

Serve_Ace
03-29-2009, 03:53 PM
I'm sorry but I found that a little ironic and funny at the same time. :)

Hahahaha, true!

kungfusmkim
03-29-2009, 04:02 PM
not every one you see on tv or plays tennis is a counter puncher lol. The only counter punchers on there is Borg and Nadal. yeah.

gooberwho
03-29-2009, 04:12 PM
this thread deserves a FAIL.

Mansewerz
03-29-2009, 04:24 PM
IMHO, Edberg was the best counter puncher.

The-Champ
03-29-2009, 04:24 PM
Hewitt, Simon, Chang, Kucera

federerdomination
03-29-2009, 05:18 PM
Fed + Sam are not cps

svijk
03-29-2009, 05:30 PM
This list needs some work.

ditto.....poor choices

svijk
03-29-2009, 05:31 PM
IMHO, Edberg was the best counter puncher.

Legend among idiots.....have u seen Edberg play???

Mansewerz
03-29-2009, 06:05 PM
Legend among idiots.....have u seen Edberg play???

Idiot among new users, it's called sarcasm.

BreakPoint
03-29-2009, 06:42 PM
IMHO, Edberg was the best counter puncher.
Nah....Max Mirnyi is a much better counter puncher. :wink:

Toxicmilk
03-29-2009, 08:49 PM
Bruce Lee and Nadal.

chrisdaniel
03-29-2009, 08:51 PM
Will someone please put an awsome fail pic on this thread.

gj011
03-29-2009, 09:04 PM
I voted for Borg, but agree with majority about failed poll.

Beasty54
03-29-2009, 09:08 PM
Idiot among new users, it's called sarcasm.

This made me laugh.



I dont believe Simon will last long, people are starting to figure out his game, which I think is counter-puncher esque..


I could totally be wrong but I dont see him BLOWING people off the courts with any weapon.

okdude1992
03-30-2009, 12:20 AM
poll fail!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestdamntech/3345353857/

carlos djackal
03-30-2009, 01:47 AM
Nadal for me, even if he is being cornered or running to return a supposedly winner in a blink of an eye he would score a winner himself or makes his opponent in trouble and in defensive position....that's a counter puncher....

Andres
03-30-2009, 09:05 PM
Even though he's known for blazing-fast groundies, I think Nikolay is a good example of a good modern counterpuncher. Yes, he can generate power by his own, but he usually absorbs paces and redirects it. The faster you hit at Davy, the faster the ball comes back.

soyizgood
03-30-2009, 09:20 PM
No Wilander? What about Gilbert? Hell you could have made a case for Santoro. Hewitt definitely should have been here.

The way the ATP is now, there's a growing legion of counter-punchers and grinders in the top 100. We might even see one take #1 in the not too far future.