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simi
03-30-2009, 04:14 AM
Just based on the IW tournament and the Sony Ericson results so far . . . what the heck is "wrong" with the doubles specialists lately? I love it that the higher ranked singles players are playing more doubles, but it seems like they are defeating the doubles only players more often than not lately. Even the top ranked doubles guys. Do doubles only guys really suck that bad? Even the top-ranked ones?

crazylevity
03-30-2009, 05:31 AM
I'm merely speculating here, but I believe that the shift in the singles game towards mostly baseline, heavy topspin play has also impacted the doubles game. Because of the way people hit their groundstrokes these days, it is becoming increasingly difficult to volley effectively. The doubles specialists most likely have never played other doubles players with so much action on their groundstrokes, that they might be struggling to adapt to it.

helloworld
03-30-2009, 11:08 AM
Just based on the IW tournament and the Sony Ericson results so far . . . what the heck is "wrong" with the doubles specialists lately? I love it that the higher ranked singles players are playing more doubles, but it seems like they are defeating the doubles only players more often than not lately. Even the top ranked doubles guys. Do doubles only guys really suck that bad? Even the top-ranked ones?

Most specialized doubles players are great serve and volleyers, but the equipment today doesn't suit serve and volleying game. That's why doubles specialists are struggling against singles specialists even in doubles matches.

Moose Malloy
03-30-2009, 11:16 AM
Don't forget the new scoring(no-ad, playing a tiebreak instead of a third set) they use in doubles.

I'm sure a lot of strange results would happen if they tried that in singles.

rubberduckies
03-30-2009, 03:27 PM
Singles players are just better athletes and overall tennis players. The fact that they specialize in doubles allows them to actually win most of the time against teams of superior athletes. It's kinda like when Monfils won the World Championships of Paddle Tennis after playing for only a couple days. He was just a much better athlete than the people doing that sport.

gj011
03-30-2009, 03:35 PM
Don't forget the new scoring(no-ad, playing a tiebreak instead of a third set) they use in doubles.

I'm sure a lot of strange results would happen if they tried that in singles.

I really hope that would never ever happen. New doubles scoring suck big time.

Completely ruined it for me.

Anyway Karlovic and Vemic almost beat Bryans today. That goes for OP theory, I guess, although Vemic is doubles specialist but Karlovic is not.

Also Zimonjic/Nestor are currently completely out of form. I am not sure if it is their newborn kids, or this time of the year. They struggled last year before clay season as well, but picked it up big time after.

Nanshiki
03-30-2009, 03:42 PM
If that was true, you'd have a lot of singles specialists winning doubles Grand Slams. But you don't. It's primarily doubles specialists who win them. Except for the case of womens tennis, where doubles is just as big as part as most people's tennis careers as singles is.

rubberduckies
03-30-2009, 03:48 PM
If that was true, you'd have a lot of singles specialists winning doubles Grand Slams. But you don't. It's primarily doubles specialists who win them. Except for the case of womens tennis, where doubles is just as big as part as most people's tennis careers as singles is.

They can't win Slams because it is too difficult to play through both singles best-of-5 and doubles. Most of the time, singles players excel in doubles when they are knocked out in the earlier rounds of singles.

JoshDragon
03-30-2009, 05:16 PM
Just based on the IW tournament and the Sony Ericson results so far . . . what the heck is "wrong" with the doubles specialists lately? I love it that the higher ranked singles players are playing more doubles, but it seems like they are defeating the doubles only players more often than not lately. Even the top ranked doubles guys. Do doubles only guys really suck that bad? Even the top-ranked ones?

Doubles specialists, are usually not as good as singles players. The Bryans, although a great team, are no where near as talented as Federer, Nadal, Murray or Djokovic.

Federer played Bob Brian back in 2001 (well before Fed's prime) and defeated Bob in straight sets.

gj011
03-30-2009, 05:28 PM
Well, today Soares/Ullyett beat Nadal/Lopez 6-3 6-4 and Knowle/Melzer just bageled Ferrer/Almagro.

So I guess doubles specialists still hold their ground.

Mansewerz
03-30-2009, 05:49 PM
Federer/Allegro got bageled by the Brians.

gj011
03-30-2009, 05:55 PM
Knowle/Melzer got broken serving for the match against Ferrer/Almagro. TB is on now.

Ferrer and Almagro obviously want to prove me wrong.

bluetrain4
03-30-2009, 06:08 PM
If that was true, you'd have a lot of singles specialists winning doubles Grand Slams. But you don't. It's primarily doubles specialists who win them. Except for the case of womens tennis, where doubles is just as big as part as most people's tennis careers as singles is.

A lot of the top singles players who play doubles at regular tour events don't play doubles at the Slams. I'm not saying they would certaintly win, but I'm sure more than a few could win a doubles Slam if they played with the same partner regularly.

Eviscerator
03-30-2009, 06:34 PM
I really hope that would never ever happen. New doubles scoring suck big time.

Completely ruined it for me.

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http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=190255

theagassiman
03-30-2009, 06:37 PM
Because usually, the great singles players don't play doubles, inferior players can become great doubles players. Then, when great singles players decide to play, the 'great' doubles player get outclassed.

gj011
03-30-2009, 07:01 PM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=190255

Thanks for the link. I agree with you completely about doubles scoring. It is ridiculous.

slicefox
03-30-2009, 07:35 PM
They are only top-ranked doubles because they never had good competition.

Players who aren't good enough for singles play doubles.

Sovereignty
03-30-2009, 07:46 PM
They are only top-ranked doubles because they never had good competition.

Players who aren't good enough for singles play doubles.


So there is hope for me?!

Kenny022593
03-30-2009, 08:36 PM
They are only top-ranked doubles because they never had good competition.

Players who aren't good enough for singles play doubles.

i love this quote from people it makes me laugh and giggle