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yuth
04-03-2009, 05:28 AM
Anyone knows about this stick ? Yamaha YWG series 77. I got it from my freind. He said that this stick stay for 40 years. Please give me some comments.

http://upload.tarad.com/images/390018yamaha1.jpg (http://upload.tarad.com)

http://upload.tarad.com/images/580064yamaha2.jpg (http://upload.tarad.com)

http://upload.tarad.com/images/179150yamaha3.jpg (http://upload.tarad.com)

Thanks

Rorsach
04-03-2009, 06:25 AM
I have no details about it, but i have to say that's an absolutely beautiful racquet.

anirut
04-03-2009, 06:44 AM
Yuth, it's no 40 years. It came out sometime in 1982/83.

At first I wanted to buy it but, after having looked at the conditions where the wood in the head was chipped off, head areas in a pretty bad shape and the leather grip stupidly cut, and the price he was asking for, it just wasn't acceptable to me.

Yes, it's suppose to be a very beautiful racket, but certainly not the one you got. It was mal-treated by some rich guy in its playing days.

Sorry to spoil the party ...

yuth
04-03-2009, 06:53 AM
Thanks krub P' O. I got it coz I like standard headsize and open throat racquet. I am quite fail about its head chipped, but it's ok for me.

Thanks for your comments,

Yuth

yuth
04-03-2009, 07:47 AM
My friend also have it, but series 66. Please take a look.

http://upload.tarad.com/images/993787yamaha.jpg (http://upload.tarad.com)

The second from left hand side.

plasma
04-03-2009, 08:58 AM
that's a true piece of art. What is the headsize and how does she play???

yuth
04-03-2009, 10:03 AM
Hi Dan,

It's about 68 to 70 headsize. It's feel as good as head competition and head vilas. But I can't hit with high tension coz it's too old and I afraid that it may break while I hitting.

thanks for take a look,

Kob Khun Krub,

Yuth

schu47
04-03-2009, 10:26 AM
I just got a couple of these, which are part of the Image YWG series -- the 77 and 99. They are beautiful, and the 99 even has this odd little pattern on the outside of the throat, going up to about 3 and 9 oclock on the sides. Very nice detailing, very beautiful wood grains in the laminate. I got the 77 off the bay for about $30, the other from a private seller for about the same. So they aren't expensive.

Plaz, I have no idea on the specs, but it is a standard wood-sized head, probably 80 or below, with that egg-shaped hoop of Yamaha's. I assume YWG stands for Yamaha Wood Graphite (or I suppose it could be G for glass, as in fiberglass, I don't know). So they are wood composites.

They are very heavy, very substantial. I wish I had an accurate scale, but these things have to be at least 13 oz. I haven't had a chance to hit with them yet.

I also don't know the extent of the series -- so far, we know there is a 66, 77 and 99 -- any 55s or 88s out there?




http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SdZOVRD6FCI/AAAAAAAATPE/Q6Lw_xdI074/s800/P4020405.JPG


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SdZOWF45xLI/AAAAAAAATPM/ks91kLNB6WA/s800/P4020412.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SdZOWxZfEyI/AAAAAAAATPU/I7hSvoYseaI/s800/P4020413.JPG

yuth
04-03-2009, 10:32 AM
Woooooooooooooooow, both of yours looks absolutely beautiful racquet. :twisted: I love your 77.

schu47
04-03-2009, 10:48 AM
Thanks, Yuth.

They both are a little dinged up, though, especially up toward the top of the head. Nothing that a little paint touchup couldn't solve, especially since it's plain black and worn but not chipped. I just have never done it. I try to clean up the racquets I get, but never have tried retouching them.

If anyone is a repainting expert, I'd love to find a tutorial on the type of paint that works best and how to apply it. Do you brush it on?

Spray?

Roller?

Magic Marker?

There must be old threads on this topic somewhere on the boards.

yuth
04-03-2009, 10:55 AM
I think, I will go to guitar shop. That place has some guy who can fix everything about wood. I wish he can fix some chips.

joe sch
04-03-2009, 09:26 PM
I just got a couple of these, which are part of the Image YWG series -- the 77 and 99. They are beautiful, and the 99 even has this odd little pattern on the outside of the throat, going up to about 3 and 9 oclock on the sides. Very nice detailing, very beautiful wood grains in the laminate. I got the 77 off the bay for about $30, the other from a private seller for about the same. So they aren't expensive.

Plaz, I have no idea on the specs, but it is a standard wood-sized head, probably 80 or below, with that egg-shaped hoop of Yamaha's. I assume YWG stands for Yamaha Wood Graphite (or I suppose it could be G for glass, as in fiberglass, I don't know). So they are wood composites.

They are very heavy, very substantial. I wish I had an accurate scale, but these things have to be at least 13 oz. I haven't had a chance to hit with them yet.

I also don't know the extent of the series -- so far, we know there is a 66, 77 and 99 -- any 55s or 88s out there?




http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SdZOVRD6FCI/AAAAAAAATPE/Q6Lw_xdI074/s800/P4020405.JPG


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SdZOWF45xLI/AAAAAAAATPM/ks91kLNB6WA/s800/P4020412.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SdZOWxZfEyI/AAAAAAAATPU/I7hSvoYseaI/s800/P4020413.JPG


I dont remember the spec's but seem to remember these rackets similar to the head vilas and slightly smaller than a standard woody, which is approx 65". I have 2 that have never been strung, below is a picture of the image77 and several comparing it to the other popular yf series yamahas

http://www.woodtennis.com/yamaha/yamaha_image77.jpg
http://www.woodtennis.com/yamaha/yamahas6views.jpg.jpg
http://www.woodtennis.com/yamaha/yamahas6headviews.jpg
http://www.woodtennis.com/yamaha/yamahas6sideviews.jpg

dataseviltwin
04-06-2009, 05:47 AM
I learn something new every day... I though Yamaha just made cro-magnon all-fiberglass sabre tooth tiger beating sticks (OK, fine... maybe Neanderthal...). I'm impressed... and jealous... :) Great finds, guys!

Tennis Dunce
04-06-2009, 02:20 PM
Damn those are some mighty fine looking, high-quality sticks. Yamaha racquets never cease to amaze me. They need to get back in the tennis biz, cuz if they did, they'd put everybody to shame.

plasma
04-07-2009, 08:28 PM
when they appeared it was a flash of genius....serious quality. too bad that after the ceramic gold series, a popular and expensive line, they seemd to all but vanish. Didn't know about the Secret 04 until a decade after it came out, .....what WAS Yamaha????? anyone have any background on this obscure yet awesome tennis brand???

tailofdog
04-08-2009, 08:45 PM
Just purchased a Yamaha SECRET. Its in the mail so i dont know much about it except it was used only 15 times. I did not ask any questions as i didn,t want a lot of attention drawn to the auction. I will post a report when i get it

tailofdog
04-08-2009, 09:03 PM
Just purchased a Yamaha SECRET. Its in the mail so i dont know much about it except it was used only 15 times. I did not ask any questions as i didn,t want a lot of attention drawn to the auction. I will post a report when i get it

KFwinds
04-08-2009, 09:59 PM
Wow. Add me to the list of those who are impressed; I've never seen those models before, and they're fine looking pieces. Very nice.

KFwinds
04-08-2009, 10:02 PM
.....what WAS Yamaha????? anyone have any background on this obscure yet awesome tennis brand???

Yamaha is better known for their motorcycles and musical instruments, but they have dabbled in a lot of different products through the years. They were never really a "tennis" brand, but made some nice frames for a period of time.

schu47
04-09-2009, 07:55 AM
Apparently, Siegfried Kuebler has a brief history of Yamaha in his "Book of Tennis Rackets," including the years they made racquets and all the models. Kuebler's book is supposed to be the bible of tennis racquet collectors. I've been trying to buy a copy for some time, without much luck. The folks at his website, where they sell the book, haven't been very good at responding to emails. If any of you has it, it would be great if you could post some of the Yamaha information.

Anyway, here's a link to a reminiscence by someone who was a Yamaha rep and tried to get the company to endorse Michael Chang when he was just a lad.
http://www.hofmag.com/content/view/1093/60/

Their reaction probably says something about their commitment to tennis, or at least their judgment.

Tennis Dunce
04-09-2009, 02:09 PM
Just purchased a Yamaha SECRET. Its in the mail so i dont know much about it except it was used only 15 times. I did not ask any questions as i didn,t want a lot of attention drawn to the auction. I will post a report when i get it

Is it a Secret 04, 06, 10, or 66?

If it's the 04 its one of the finest racquets ever manufactured. Perhaps the stiffest racquet ever made (I believe it is an 80). It has the coolest stealth bomber, powder-coated charcoal PJ I've ever seen. Its a very serious looking and intimidating weapon. I have two of the 100si (1 brand new, the other one an 8.5/10) and they are very unique sticks that have quite a reputation, as well as a loyal following. You could put the Secret 04 in the hands of some pro players today...and they could perform with it admirably. Not bad for a 20 year old racquet.

BTW, those Secret 10's are awesome as well I've heard. I'm not as familiar with them and I know they are very difficult to find. If somebody has a 10 could they please post pics?

Virginia
04-09-2009, 02:14 PM
I just got a couple of these, which are part of the Image YWG series -- the 77 and 99. I assume YWG stands for Yamaha Wood Graphite (or I suppose it could be G for glass, as in fiberglass, I don't know). So they are wood composites.

I also don't know the extent of the series -- so far, we know there is a 66, 77 and 99 -- any 55s or 88s out there?
Kuebler's book, which says it lists "almost all" of the Yamaha's produced, doesn't mention the Image 66, so it's possible there could be others as well.

I've noticed there are quite a few errors and omissions in Kuebler's book - that isn't meant as any kind of criticism, as the subject is monumentally large, but just stating a fact.

Yes, YWG denotes wood composite - YFG denotes fibreglass composite.

schu47
04-10-2009, 07:54 PM
Kuebler's book, which says it lists "almost all" of the Yamaha's produced, doesn't mention the Image 66, so it's possible there could be others as well.

I've noticed there are quite a few errors and omissions in Kuebler's book - that isn't meant as any kind of criticism, as the subject is monumentally large, but just stating a fact.

Yes, YWG denotes wood composite - YFG denotes fibreglass composite.

Virginia, you're the best. I thought the "G" stood for graphite -- thanks for straightening me out. :) I gotta get that book -- I wish the Kuebler folks would respond to my emails. Is there anywhere else to pick up a copy?

schu47
04-10-2009, 07:58 PM
Is it a Secret 04, 06, 10, or 66?

If it's the 04 its one of the finest racquets ever manufactured. Perhaps the stiffest racquet ever made (I believe it is an 80). It has the coolest stealth bomber, powder-coated charcoal PJ I've ever seen. Its a very serious looking and intimidating weapon. I have two of the 100si (1 brand new, the other one an 8.5/10) and they are very unique sticks that have quite a reputation, as well as a loyal following. You could put the Secret 04 in the hands of some pro players today...and they could perform with it admirably. Not bad for a 20 year old racquet.

BTW, those Secret 10's are awesome as well I've heard. I'm not as familiar with them and I know they are very difficult to find. If somebody has a 10 could they please post pics?

I've got a Secret 10 -- just hit with it today, and it's a great racquet. I've got a couple of Secret 04s too, and both models are amazing, considering their age. I'll post a picture ASAP.

I don't think they're that hard to find, and certainly not as expensive on the auction sites as the 04. I think mine cost me about $25, and 04s go for $100 or $150 oftentimes.

plasma
04-11-2009, 09:54 AM
how does the round head wood grain 77 play compared with the 99? does the flat throat piece enhance performance (compared to a round hoop????

Tennis Dunce
04-12-2009, 01:13 PM
I've got a Secret 10 -- just hit with it today, and it's a great racquet. I've got a couple of Secret 04s too, and both models are amazing, considering their age. I'll post a picture ASAP.

I don't think they're that hard to find, and certainly not as expensive on the auction sites as the 04. I think mine cost me about $25, and 04s go for $100 or $150 oftentimes.

Where's that pic!? :)

It's good to know that the 10's are a little easier to find. I'm still having trouble locating one, especially for 25 bucks. :oops:

How do they hit? What is the headsize? Is the color scheme the same as the 04 and 06?

dataseviltwin
04-13-2009, 06:48 AM
Apparently, Siegfried Kuebler has a brief history of Yamaha in his "Book of Tennis Rackets," including the years they made racquets and all the models. Kuebler's book is supposed to be the bible of tennis racquet collectors. I've been trying to buy a copy for some time, without much luck. The folks at his website, where they sell the book, haven't been very good at responding to emails. If any of you has it, it would be great if you could post some of the Yamaha information.

Anyway, here's a link to a reminiscence by someone who was a Yamaha rep and tried to get the company to endorse Michael Chang when he was just a lad.
http://www.hofmag.com/content/view/1093/60/

Their reaction probably says something about their commitment to tennis, or at least their judgment.

For the Kuebler book, check with joesch@woodtennis.com - wonderful reference book, and it is the bible for all sticks up 'till about 1990.

plasma
04-13-2009, 07:46 PM
I'd love to find the Keubler bible. I love reading but am very picky about what I read, it has to be by an interesting writer like Keubler, Virginia, Tennis Dunce, or Deuce (as much as Deuce and I ague he is clearly brilliant)....

the best writers in the world are method actors, like the writers mentioned above their work captures realism.... beyond form..... magically transporting us into a world of their experience, this rare phenomenon cannot be accomplished if someone is trying to be too fancy with words....great writers, like great actors, are real

007
04-14-2009, 06:06 AM
I have a SECRET EX 97 in 3/8 grip, unstrung, near-mint condition for sale FYI

mvisentin@toromont.com

schu47
04-14-2009, 09:39 AM
Where's that pic!? :)

It's good to know that the 10's are a little easier to find. I'm still having trouble locating one, especially for 25 bucks. :oops:

How do they hit? What is the headsize? Is the color scheme the same as the 04 and 06?

I don't know that the 10s are easier to find, just not as expensive when you do find them.

I'm sorry I haven't posted a pic -- my camera ended up in the shop after I dropped it. So I can't post any pics right now. But I promise I will soon.

The 04 and the 10 appear to be made from the same mold. Both are gray, but the 04 is a flat gunmetal gray (very much a stealth model) and the 10 is glossy. The 04 seems stiffer, although I haven't played them at the same time to really compare them. The 04 is high modulus graphite, which accounts for the stiffness, and the 10 is a "Carbon/Composite." Both are 100 sq. in., 25 mm beam width, both have plenty of heft. The 04 is listed at 12.3 oz. unstrung, the 10 feels a tad lighter. Here's a little review of the 04 with all the specs at the bottom of the story:

http://tennisandeye.blogspot.com/2006/10/phoenix-from-ashes.html

And here are some Yamaha specs from a posting last year on the TW board by Martingale:

Glad to hear some other people like the Yamaha's. 04 is the stiffest. A bit more flexible are the 05, 06, 10 and EX, as well as the headlight versions, called the secret EOS. Beautiful frames, little vibration, little shock, awfully well engineered, no elbow or shoulder problems. I am still using them these days.

The following specs are from the Yamaha '91 catalogue:

Secret-04 100" or 110":
Weight 321-350 grams / 12.2 oz. Avg.
5 pts. HL
Beam 25mm
Extremely Stiff #10

Eos 100" or 110":
260-280 grams / 9.5 oz. AVG.
4-6 pts. HH
Beam 25mm
Very Stiff #9

Eos RZ 100" or 110"
270-290 grams / 9.9 oz. AVG.
4-6 pts. HH
Beam 25mm
Stiff #7

Secret -05 RS 100" or 110":
321-350 grams / 12 oz. AVG.
6 pts. HL
Beam 25mm
Very Stiff #8.5

Secret-07 RS 100":
321-350 grams / 12 oz. AVG
Beam 25mm
Stiff #7

Secret-10 NIA

Secret-20 100":
322 grams/ 11.5oz. average
9 pts. HL
Beam 25mm
Medium Stiff

Secret-EX 100" or 110":
321-350 grams / 11.9 oz. AVG.
8 pts. HL
Beam 22mm
Stiff #7

schu47
04-14-2009, 10:00 AM
how does the round head wood grain 77 play compared with the 99? does the flat throat piece enhance performance (compared to a round hoop????

Plas, I just got these racquets and haven't had them out yet. So I can't help you. Maybe someone else can give you a playtest report.

tailofdog
04-14-2009, 03:36 PM
Is it a Secret 04, 06, 10, or 66?

If it's the 04 its one of the finest racquets ever manufactured. Perhaps the stiffest racquet ever made (I believe it is an 80). It has the coolest stealth bomber, powder-coated charcoal PJ I've ever seen. Its a very serious looking and intimidating weapon. I have two of the 100si (1 brand new, the other one an 8.5/10) and they are very unique sticks that have quite a reputation, as well as a loyal following. You could put the Secret 04 in the hands of some pro players today...and they could perform with it admirably. Not bad for a 20 year old racquet.

BTW, those Secret 10's are awesome as well I've heard. I'm not as familiar with them and I know they are very difficult to find. If somebody has a 10 could they please post pics?
IT is a 10 and came yesterday (95 sq in head 16x18 pattern ) It is not as pristine as described but is still in very good condition. It weighs 360 grms strung or 12.72. The grommets are in great shape and the racquet has a lot of life left in it. I wont be able to get to the courts till Sat but hit against my rebound net. It felt great and i thought the ball was fired from a cannon.
I just need to see if the ball will come in when i take a good swing.
I also got a Rossignol ft 6.60 mid lovely racquet but grommets shot.
I will play with it Sat and report back. I am not good at posting pictures but, i will send them to your e-mail or to PLASMA as he loves to post pictures. Iwill get onto that this weekend if not before

tailofdog
04-14-2009, 03:59 PM
IT is a 10 and came yesterday (95 sq in head 16x18 pattern ) It is not as pristine as described but is still in very good condition. It weighs 360 grms strung or 12.72. The grommets are in great shape and the racquet has a lot of life left in it. I wont be able to get to the courts till Sat but hit against my rebound net. It felt great and i thought the ball was fired from a cannon.
I just need to see if the ball will come in when i take a good swing.
I also got a Rossignol ft 6.60 mid lovely racquet but grommets shot.
I will play with it Sat and report back. I am not good at posting pictures but, i will send them to your e-mail or to PLASMA as he loves to post pictures. Iwill get onto that this weekend if not before

I have a fairly accurate postal scale. The 10 is 360 grm x 28.3 = 12.72
I put it up against my 95 JENRO and it appeared the same. Also i put it next to my new ROSSIGNOL ft 6.60 and, it appears just a little bigger due to the inverted bridge.
If you dont want to wait for pictures go to The Auction site and put in Yamaha. Then tick the world wide completed listing boxes and you will see mine. (It cost me $ 63.00AUD)

Tennis Dunce
04-15-2009, 06:18 PM
I don't know that the 10s are easier to find, just not as expensive when you do find them.

I'm sorry I haven't posted a pic -- my camera ended up in the shop after I dropped it. So I can't post any pics right now. But I promise I will soon.

The 04 and the 10 appear to be made from the same mold. Both are gray, but the 04 is a flat gunmetal gray (very much a stealth model) and the 10 is glossy. The 04 seems stiffer, although I haven't played them at the same time to really compare them. The 04 is high modulus graphite, which accounts for the stiffness, and the 10 is a "Carbon/Composite." Both are 100 sq. in., 25 mm beam width, both have plenty of heft. The 04 is listed at 12.3 oz. unstrung, the 10 feels a tad lighter. Here's a little review of the 04 with all the specs at the bottom of the story:

http://tennisandeye.blogspot.com/2006/10/phoenix-from-ashes.html

And here are some Yamaha specs from a posting last year on the TW board by Martingale:

Glad to hear some other people like the Yamaha's. 04 is the stiffest. A bit more flexible are the 05, 06, 10 and EX, as well as the headlight versions, called the secret EOS. Beautiful frames, little vibration, little shock, awfully well engineered, no elbow or shoulder problems. I am still using them these days.

The following specs are from the Yamaha '91 catalogue:

Secret-04 100" or 110":
Weight 321-350 grams / 12.2 oz. Avg.
5 pts. HL
Beam 25mm
Extremely Stiff #10

Eos 100" or 110":
260-280 grams / 9.5 oz. AVG.
4-6 pts. HH
Beam 25mm
Very Stiff #9

Eos RZ 100" or 110"
270-290 grams / 9.9 oz. AVG.
4-6 pts. HH
Beam 25mm
Stiff #7

Secret -05 RS 100" or 110":
321-350 grams / 12 oz. AVG.
6 pts. HL
Beam 25mm
Very Stiff #8.5

Secret-07 RS 100":
321-350 grams / 12 oz. AVG
Beam 25mm
Stiff #7

Secret-10 NIA

Secret-20 100":
322 grams/ 11.5oz. average
9 pts. HL
Beam 25mm
Medium Stiff

Secret-EX 100" or 110":
321-350 grams / 11.9 oz. AVG.
8 pts. HL
Beam 22mm
Stiff #7

Thanks for that link! Lol...I had to laugh when it stated "We are introducing the Secret in just one size. The right size. 100 square inches. And 85% of that is pure sweet spot. " You got that right!

I've got a wide array of racquets...but this is the most special one of the bunch. There will never be anything quite like it. Everything is just 'so right' about this stick. Man I'd love to find a 10 and play with it!

Tennis Dunce
04-15-2009, 06:24 PM
IT is a 10 and came yesterday (95 sq in head 16x18 pattern ) It is not as pristine as described but is still in very good condition. It weighs 360 grms strung or 12.72. The grommets are in great shape and the racquet has a lot of life left in it. I wont be able to get to the courts till Sat but hit against my rebound net. It felt great and i thought the ball was fired from a cannon.
I just need to see if the ball will come in when i take a good swing.
I also got a Rossignol ft 6.60 mid lovely racquet but grommets shot.
I will play with it Sat and report back. I am not good at posting pictures but, i will send them to your e-mail or to PLASMA as he loves to post pictures. Iwill get onto that this weekend if not before

Congratulations on the awesome stick mate! Yeah...its liek firing out of a cannon alright! On my 04's I try to compensate with a topspin oriented string so the ball has a chance of staying in the court. I'm also thinking about going with an 18 gauge, but coupled with the stiff frame that might not be such a good idea because the strings take all of the shock.

plasma
04-16-2009, 05:59 AM
Whoa, the GM was a fool! what an awesome Yamaha story.( beyond "War and Peace" IMHO, feels like it was told and not written!!!) 5'8" 130 sounds like Nishikori's stats ( a deadly lightweight). I remember facing the 130 lb. champ (for fun) many years ago after he fought de la Hoya (on ESPN for the title). I don't think I've sparred 230 lb guys who could hit that hard. ....( I remember a perfect liver shot that tore me up for about 6 months!) maybe the headshots ex-pain my touched world view and racquet hoarding addiction...???; the GM of Yamaha wins the prize for stupidity and overlooking someone based on their size, though...
sorry back to my other love, tennis, I saw Nishikori at about 5'6 130 tear up a guy at the SAP open who was 6'4 235. (david using ko kyu waza ( the false void yogic awareness technique) to slay Goliath-San...Hai...dozo (yes, go ahead and enter into a realm of physical experience politely) O negai Shimas...(further) The big guy would ace Nishikori so hard that he didn't have time to move. When sensei Nishikori used his knowledge and spiritual tennis demon slaying kata, he was able to excecute dropshots and forehands like a true Shidoshi!
http://i40.tinypic.com/2v81e1z.jpg
Blurri Korri Nishi fuzzy (homeboy is such a ninja that Wilson made a signature Katana for Nishi; has someone checked to make sure that this guy isn't an enlightened 400 year daoist monk?, those monks have some herbs and stuff that might qualify as performance enhancing substances...

sidespar
04-16-2009, 06:24 AM
I have a Yamaha Secret-II in my basement

What the heck is this thing?

plasma
04-16-2009, 07:04 AM
is it similar to the 04? does it look like it fell out of the belly of a stealth bomber????. I had a minty 04 (made in Singapore) which I traded to a fellow rackaholic on these boards....I got a few sweet sticks in trade, 1 was an ultra 2 standard; schweeeet.

tailofdog
04-16-2009, 08:45 PM
Congratulations on the awesome stick mate! Yeah...its liek firing out of a cannon alright! On my 04's I try to compensate with a topspin oriented string so the ball has a chance of staying in the court. I'm also thinking about going with an 18 gauge, but coupled with the stiff frame that might not be such a good idea because the strings take all of the shock.

Try Isospeed Energetic (QUALITY STRING THA TAMES STIFF FRAMES AND HAS LONG STRING LIFE)

tailofdog
04-18-2009, 03:47 PM
Congratulations on the awesome stick mate! Yeah...its liek firing out of a cannon alright! On my 04's I try to compensate with a topspin oriented string so the ball has a chance of staying in the court. I'm also thinking about going with an 18 gauge, but coupled with the stiff frame that might not be such a good idea because the strings take all of the shock.

Took it out last night. Nice racquet but too much power so have to put this one in the closet.
ROSSIGNOL the best so far!!!

Tennis Dunce
04-19-2009, 11:13 AM
Took it out last night. Nice racquet but too much power so have to put this one in the closet.
ROSSIGNOL the best so far!!!

Don't give up on it quite yet. Just imagine being able to tame the ball with such a mighty stick. Your opponents will be hating trying to return such heavy, energy-depleting shots. My Secret is like my 7th go-to stick...so I can relate, but I've given myself many hours with it, for fun, and my win-loss record with it is good. You can etch the first set in stone because your opponent will be so dumbfounded.:twisted::)

Yamaha racquets are immensely versatile, provided that you don't put them in the closet right away.

schu47
04-19-2009, 11:16 AM
Is it a Secret 04, 06, 10, or 66?

If it's the 04 its one of the finest racquets ever manufactured. Perhaps the stiffest racquet ever made (I believe it is an 80). It has the coolest stealth bomber, powder-coated charcoal PJ I've ever seen. Its a very serious looking and intimidating weapon. I have two of the 100si (1 brand new, the other one an 8.5/10) and they are very unique sticks that have quite a reputation, as well as a loyal following. You could put the Secret 04 in the hands of some pro players today...and they could perform with it admirably. Not bad for a 20 year old racquet.

BTW, those Secret 10's are awesome as well I've heard. I'm not as familiar with them and I know they are very difficult to find. If somebody has a 10 could they please post pics?

Finally got my camera fixed, so wanted to add a couple of pics of the 04 and 10 as promised. Same mold, I'm sure. Not sure about how the specs compare. The Secret 04 feels a little heftier, more substantial, certainly a little stiffer. The 04 also has that cool, flat gunmetal gray finish, while the 10 is a shiny gray. I personally like the 04 more, but not by much. I would think if you like the 04, you'd like the 10, too.

Hope this helps.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/Setx_GEplgI/AAAAAAAAVTc/6VEd0MX4pas/s800/P1020008.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/Setx_tHaTzI/AAAAAAAAVTk/iFVVBqS4f-4/s800/P1020011.JPG

plasma
04-19-2009, 11:44 AM
the cosmetics on that secret are 9/10 plus...museumworthy...what kind of fool would have parted with that powerful motorcycle/racquet in that condition??? even defensive players can blow away powerhitters with the secret 04...only other racquet with close to as much power (but ironically a bit less) is the comical and obese keubler Profile Wilson.

Tennis Dunce
04-19-2009, 12:07 PM
Nice pics! So does the 10 say Made in Singapore anywhere on it. Could it be a <gasp> China!?

Can't tell if its just the paint...but it looks like the 10 has a lot more flex...maybe in the low 70's. It's in jaw dropping condition. I agree...it needs to go in a museum.

Do you have any idea the time period between the 04 and 10? Are we talking about years here? The 04 was 1988...could the 10 be like a 1991?

Gabby was smacking around that EX-97 in what? 90?

Alright...now we need somebody who has a Secret II to take a few pics. Did the II come out after the 10? I'm really intrigued with this line of racquets!

schu47
04-19-2009, 02:30 PM
the cosmetics on that secret are 9/10 plus...museumworthy...what kind of fool would have parted with that powerful motorcycle/racquet in that condition??? even defensive players can blow away powerhitters with the secret 04...only other racquet with close to as much power (but ironically a bit less) is the comical and obese keubler Profile Wilson.

Yup, I managed to get this 04 from some real dimwit. :) Truth is, your rhapsodizing about the 04 is what got me to make the trade with you, so it's all your fault, Plas. I generally don't like any racquet larger than 95 sq. in., but the 04 is an absoute exception. It's no wonder people are getting $100-$150 for these things online. It's a stealth bomber.

schu47
04-19-2009, 03:36 PM
Nice pics! So does the 10 say Made in Singapore anywhere on it. Could it be a <gasp> China!?

Can't tell if its just the paint...but it looks like the 10 has a lot more flex...maybe in the low 70's. It's in jaw dropping condition. I agree...it needs to go in a museum.

Do you have any idea the time period between the 04 and 10? Are we talking about years here? The 04 was 1988...could the 10 be like a 1991?

Gabby was smacking around that EX-97 in what? 90?

Alright...now we need somebody who has a Secret II to take a few pics. Did the II come out after the 10? I'm really intrigued with this line of racquets!

Hey TD, it doesn't say anything that I could find on the Secret 10 about where it's made -- not on the frame, the butt cap, anywhere. Actually, it doesn't say much of anything on the racquet, except the model number and grip size. The Secret 04 was made in Singapore.

I would love it if someone could tell us when the Secret models were released.

I looked back at some old issues of Tennis Magazine, and checked the ads at the back to see when Yamahas started popping up. The first mention I saw was buried in a big two-page hola-bird ad in 1988 that listed the XAM series. In 1989 the Ceramic Series 90s and 100s were mentioned. In the Sept. 1990 issue, the Secret EX, Secret 04, 06 and 10, and the EOS all showed up in an ad listed as new models. So the order and actual year of release for those models are a mystery to me, but they all were available for sale by the fall of 1990.

As an aside, the magazine also had a spread in that issue on "Six New Racquets for Fall," which included the Dunlop Max 500i, Estusa Boris Becker ProVantech PB, Fischer Vacuum Twin-Tec Pro, Prince CTS Blast, Yonex RQ-260 and the Yamaha EOS. So, the EOS was getting more love than the Secret, 06 or 10. At that time, the EOS was the lightest racquet Tennis Mag. had ever tested, at 9.8 oz., was very stiff and head heavy. It also was the most expensive of the six new models mentioned, at $250 retail. (By the way, EOS stood for "Efficiency of Swing," whatever that means).

plasma
04-19-2009, 08:19 PM
Didn't Sabatini use the EOS? Only Yamahas I remember are the oblong 90's and the series gold 100's. Also a fortune in their day. My friend racquet-freak has an enviable stash of old tennis magazines, I'd love to find the original ads and the meaning behind the "Secret Numbers" research into these ancient numbers from singapore, corresponds to the essence of traditional cultural thought and causality,
http://i43.tinypic.com/eg79f7.jpg
celestine destiny, and the ethical nature of good and evil...solve the numeric Yamaha riddle and control time and space...this state of prophetic insight is also known as secret 11, a mystical and empowered state... I will of course be giving chakra attunements (for a nominal $600 fee)...Ohm

jimbo333
04-20-2009, 12:30 PM
Yeah.......the camera's working again:):)

schu47
04-20-2009, 12:39 PM
I think Sabatini played both of these Secret EXes -- she definitely played the purple and green one, because there's a picture of her with it. But I think I've seen photos of her with the yellow, orange and purple one, too.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SezbjzAw5TI/AAAAAAAAVaY/V5ZOgQyzkIE/s800/P1020028.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SezXn2xGN-I/AAAAAAAAVYw/baP-so38zBg/2006_04_17_gabriela_sabatini.jpg


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/SezaN_tq6RI/AAAAAAAAVZU/J8z1fC0oFJs/xinsrc_24211032711372032996878.jpg

Come to think of it, who cares what racquet she used? She puts your Anna Kournikova to shame, Plaz.

plasma
04-20-2009, 04:38 PM
only in tennis...
http://i43.tinypic.com/2hs54wo.jpg

schu47
04-21-2009, 05:01 AM
Plas, Gaby is a real, grown-up woman -- much more substance and real beauty than Kournikova. Kournikova is the Paris Hilton of tennis cuties, flashy but shallow. Sabatini is a classic, Sophia Loren, a Wilson Pro Staff 6.0.

Plus she played those great-looking Yamaha EXes.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/Se29WGUc9VI/AAAAAAAAVcg/_LI73oZ2Y84/gabriela-sabatini.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/Se29XLizdhI/AAAAAAAAVdA/1fIauNa8DKQ/sabatini1.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R75QH658YRs/Se29XHaqT2I/AAAAAAAAVdI/OKWClZuM1Hk/Gabriela-Sabatini-400x300-17kb-media-766-media-134649-1206794102.jpg

plasma
04-21-2009, 08:25 AM
give me substance any day, I'm sick of flash, do you know what its like to be flown around the world and then dumped by a hottie like Anna??? hurts bro....hurts....camera is still out, lots of cool new stuff to share and no camera....when I was 13 I think I had Sabattini fantasies. Being attracted to female tennis players was difficult and unsatisfying back then, causing more virtual dates with "Chrissy" and "Janet" from 3's Company...mmmm
http://i41.tinypic.com/2i71zck.jpg
these ladies helped me to develop the tenacious forearm strength that I would later need to become a regional Greater Northeastern Athletic Conference Division Champion

tailofdog
04-21-2009, 07:25 PM
Don't give up on it quite yet. Just imagine being able to tame the ball with such a mighty stick. Your opponents will be hating trying to return such heavy, energy-depleting shots. My Secret is like my 7th go-to stick...so I can relate, but I've given myself many hours with it, for fun, and my win-loss record with it is good. You can etch the first set in stone because your opponent will be so dumbfounded.:twisted::)

Yamaha racquets are immensely versatile, provided that you don't put them in the closet right away.

You might be right. I will keep playing with it for fun. It has some merit to be shown the door so soon.
I can answer another question. The 10 has the ll next to the # 10 so they are on the same racquet. I still think it is a 95 sq in head and i have read the flex is81!!!

tailofdog
04-21-2009, 07:28 PM
Sorry should have added made in Singapore.:oops:

tailofdog
04-23-2009, 05:55 PM
Don't give up on it quite yet. Just imagine being able to tame the ball with such a mighty stick. Your opponents will be hating trying to return such heavy, energy-depleting shots. My Secret is like my 7th go-to stick...so I can relate, but I've given myself many hours with it, for fun, and my win-loss record with it is good. You can etch the first set in stone because your opponent will be so dumbfounded.:twisted::)

Yamaha racquets are immensely versatile, provided that you don't put them in the closet right away.
.
Thanks for that encouragement. I took it out last night and just worked on being smooth and fluid. The results were good, Very impressive depth and power. As long as i didn,t try winding up on it, every thing felt great.
I am playing in a mens doubles tournament tomorrow and i will be using the Secret 10
Thanks again because, if you hadn,t posted i would be missing out on a great racquet

tailofdog
04-23-2009, 06:18 PM
Apparently, Siegfried Kuebler has a brief history of Yamaha in his "Book of Tennis Rackets," including the years they made racquets and all the models. Kuebler's book is supposed to be the bible of tennis racquet collectors. I've been trying to buy a copy for some time, without much luck. The folks at his website, where they sell the book, haven't been very good at responding to emails. If any of you has it, it would be great if you could post some of the Yamaha information.

Anyway, here's a link to a reminiscence by someone who was a Yamaha rep and tried to get the company to endorse Michael Chang when he was just a lad.
http://www.hofmag.com/content/view/1093/60/

Their reaction probably says something about their commitment to tennis, or at least their judgment.

In those days i lived in SAN DIEGO and used to watch both MICHAEL & CARL play. If the GM would have spent 15 min watching Michael play he would have signed him on the spot!!:confused:

Martingale
04-24-2009, 09:32 AM
Wow, where was I while this thread built up? Glad to know I am not alone in still playing the Yamahas.

Many of the Secrets were manufactured in Singapore, though not all (the EOS RZ has been manufactured in Taiwan for instance). There are basically two molds, the EX and the others. Among the second mold, there are the numbered ones (eg 04, 05, 06, etc) and the EOS (which is head heavy, and comes again in two versions, EOS and EOS RZ).
The numbered ones seem to all have the same weight also.

The 04 and some of the 06 come in this matt gunmetal gray coating. They are the only ones also. Some of the more recent 06 however have a smooth grey coating.

In between the 04 and 06 in terms of flex is the 05RS, replacing the 06. Not sure if ever there was a "05". There also is a 10 and its successor the 10II. The 10s are similar to the 05RS.

There are many many more, most did not make it to great commercial successes and were produced after Yamaha withdrew from the US and then Europe.

I also own some 08, some 12, some 20, some 65. There is a 66, a 99, and surely others, but I do not own them.

Oddly, while most are quite rare, the 10II and the 05RS perhaps the rarest and among the best, and still the 04, although less rare, is more expensive. I reckon this is a demand effect as is has a larger following (and it is a great racket, probably my favourite one). I also love the 06, which is an 04 with some more flex and with an elegant "ping" when you hit the ball.

The EX series again comes in many shapes and all sorts of colours. There are the Sabatini-type multi-coloured EX, and there are also EX-97, a more recent EX all in black. The EX are great rackets as well, and are thin(ner) beam compared to the 04 mold. Amazingly, while nearly all Secrets weigh 350g, some of the EX (the red-white-green ones) come in two weights, 336-350g and 321-335g.

Tennis Dunce and Schu47 asked about production times. Well, I had the same question a few years back, and found a nice chap in Yamaha's Golf division in Japan who worked in the tennis division before and could still (barely) remember the following bits (he finished his message to me writing "The above-mentioned may be all what I can inform you."):

04: 1989-93
05RS: 1989-90
06: 1989-1990
10: 1989-90
EX: 1990-93
EOS: 1991-94
EOS-RZ: 1992-94

Hope this helps, happy for anybody else to fill in missing bits. I also have some recommended string tensions if anybody is interested.

Tennis Dunce
04-25-2009, 11:04 AM
Wow, where was I while this thread built up? Glad to know I am not alone in still playing the Yamahas.

Many of the Secrets were manufactured in Singapore, though not all (the EOS RZ has been manufactured in Taiwan for instance). There are basically two molds, the EX and the others. Among the second mold, there are the numbered ones (eg 04, 05, 06, etc) and the EOS (which is head heavy, and comes again in two versions, EOS and EOS RZ).
The numbered ones seem to all have the same weight also.

The 04 and some of the 06 come in this matt gunmetal gray coating. They are the only ones also. Some of the more recent 06 however have a smooth grey coating.

In between the 04 and 06 in terms of flex is the 05RS, replacing the 06. Not sure if ever there was a "05". There also is a 10 and its successor the 10II. The 10s are similar to the 05RS.

There are many many more, most did not make it to great commercial successes and were produced after Yamaha withdrew from the US and then Europe.

I also own some 08, some 12, some 20, some 65. There is a 66, a 99, and surely others, but I do not own them.

Oddly, while most are quite rare, the 10II and the 05RS perhaps the rarest and among the best, and still the 04, although less rare, is more expensive. I reckon this is a demand effect as is has a larger following (and it is a great racket, probably my favourite one). I also love the 06, which is an 04 with some more flex and with an elegant "ping" when you hit the ball.

The EX series again comes in many shapes and all sorts of colours. There are the Sabatini-type multi-coloured EX, and there are also EX-97, a more recent EX all in black. The EX are great rackets as well, and are thin(ner) beam compared to the 04 mold. Amazingly, while nearly all Secrets weigh 350g, some of the EX (the red-white-green ones) come in two weights, 336-350g and 321-335g.

Tennis Dunce and Schu47 asked about production times. Well, I had the same question a few years back, and found a nice chap in Yamaha's Golf division in Japan who worked in the tennis division before and could still (barely) remember the following bits (he finished his message to me writing "The above-mentioned may be all what I can inform you."):

04: 1989-93
05RS: 1989-90
06: 1989-1990
10: 1989-90
EX: 1990-93
EOS: 1991-94
EOS-RZ: 1992-94

Hope this helps, happy for anybody else to fill in missing bits. I also have some recommended string tensions if anybody is interested.

Thanks for the info! I do have a question because I need to string my 04 but I don't know what to use or what tension. I play at altitude, so I have to go a little higher with the tension. The 04 has plenty of power on its own, in fact, it has too much power for me but I love the racquet and hit with it occasionally just for fun.

I thought this might be time to try like a 17 gauge string to help impart proper spin, but I know they'll break within a few hours because of the 80 stiffness...(also with high altitude balls).

I know Yamaha made Secret string but, lol, I'm not going to find any of that. I don't play matches with it, it rides the bench for the most part. Just like to clobber a few balls with it every now and then. Any Yamaha players with any string and tension suggestions?

Full poly coupled with this frame is way too much on the arm (I'm not RoboCop).

Ditto with Kevlar and I'd have to string it too low, again I play at altitude.

Just good ol fashioned PSGD?

Martingale
04-25-2009, 11:47 AM
Tennis Dunce: As to tension, here is what the gentleman at Yamaha gave me. They apply to Nylon string:

1. EOS (100sq) /ROS RZ (100sq) : 45-55 lbs.
2. Secret 04(100sq)/Secret-05 RS(100sq) : 45-55 lbs.
3. Secret EX (100sq) : 55-65 lbs.
4. EOS (110sq) /EOS RZ (110sq) : 60-70 lbs.
5. Secret 04(110sq)/Secret 05 RS (110sq)/
Secret EX (110sq) : 55-65 lbs.

I personally use natural gut much of the time (much of it at gauge 17), though have one 04 strung with a high quality multi. It seems that recommended string tensions are on the lowish end when compared to other manufacturers, and that they seem to play best when strung toward the upper bound. In fact, for many years I have systematically overstrung the rackets, and loved it. The rackets and the grommets are fantastically built, and have not (I think) been damaged as a result.

As to Yamaha string, I saw some on the big bay a month ago or so! I have never used it, so I have nothing to add here.

I have never played at altitude, so you will be the best judge for that!

Tennis Dunce
04-25-2009, 12:21 PM
^^ Okay thanks! I'll try a high quality multi in the mains and go with some natural gut in the crosses...both at 55 should do.

Martingale
04-25-2009, 02:50 PM
Tennis Dunce: Do not forget to tell us how it went!

tailofdog
04-25-2009, 06:24 PM
Wow, where was I while this thread built up? Glad to know I am not alone in still playing the Yamahas.

Many of the Secrets were manufactured in Singapore, though not all (the EOS RZ has been manufactured in Taiwan for instance). There are basically two molds, the EX and the others. Among the second mold, there are the numbered ones (eg 04, 05, 06, etc) and the EOS (which is head heavy, and comes again in two versions, EOS and EOS RZ).
The numbered ones seem to all have the same weight also.

The 04 and some of the 06 come in this matt gunmetal gray coating. They are the only ones also. Some of the more recent 06 however have a smooth grey coating.

In between the 04 and 06 in terms of flex is the 05RS, replacing the 06. Not sure if ever there was a "05". There also is a 10 and its successor the 10II. The 10s are similar to the 05RS.

There are many many more, most did not make it to great commercial successes and were produced after Yamaha withdrew from the US and then Europe.

I also own some 08, some 12, some 20, some 65. There is a 66, a 99, and surely others, but I do not own them.

Oddly, while most are quite rare, the 10II and the 05RS perhaps the rarest and among the best, and still the 04, although less rare, is more expensive. I reckon this is a demand effect as is has a larger following (and it is a great racket, probably my favourite one). I also love the 06, which is an 04 with some more flex and with an elegant "ping" when you hit the ball.

The EX series again comes in many shapes and all sorts of colours. There are the Sabatini-type multi-coloured EX, and there are also EX-97, a more recent EX all in black. The EX are great rackets as well, and are thin(ner) beam compared to the 04 mold. Amazingly, while nearly all Secrets weigh 350g, some of the EX (the red-white-green ones) come in two weights, 336-350g and 321-335g.

Tennis Dunce and Schu47 asked about production times. Well, I had the same question a few years back, and found a nice chap in Yamaha's Golf division in Japan who worked in the tennis division before and could still (barely) remember the following bits (he finished his message to me writing "The above-mentioned may be all what I can inform you."):

04: 1989-93
05RS: 1989-90
06: 1989-1990
10: 1989-90
EX: 1990-93
EOS: 1991-94
EOS-RZ: 1992-94

Hope this helps, happy for anybody else to fill in missing bits. I also have some recommended string tensions if anybody is interested.

Just bought a 65 off the bay. Can you tell me what to expect?
Thanks

Martingale
04-26-2009, 08:11 AM
Dear tailofgod,

I got mine off the bay myself and rather than hit with them with their current nylon, I'll have to string them with gut at some point to be able to compare them with the other Secrets. So you'll probably be the one telling me how they play!

tailofdog
05-15-2009, 05:19 PM
I like the looks and style of the racquet but dont find the playability that special. Its 13.35 oz so pehaps i cant swing it hard enough to get the benifit.
I played in a doubles tournament with my Secret 10 ll and at 12.73 oz found my topspin backhand follow through not going over my head.
I am finding my comfot weight is 12 to 12.3 oz.

schu47
05-15-2009, 07:06 PM
Note to Martingale:

Just caught up to this thread again, and wanted to thank you for all the great information. I love the Yamahas, from the YFGs through the Ceramics and EXs to those wonderful Secrets. I just got an 06 to go with the 04s and 10 I have, so I'm thrilled to have this addition. I think the 04 and 10 are among the best frames I've ever used (thanks, Plaz). After reading your thread, I think I need a 10II and an 05RS to complete my Secret collection.

I also have a couple of those beautiful, wood-grain Images. Yamaha really made some interesting frames.

I have a chance to get an EOS, but am not sure if it's worthwhile. How does that compare, as far as playability, to the Secrets, in your opinion?

It's great to have such a Yamaha expert join in this thread. Thanks again.

plasma
05-15-2009, 07:25 PM
The secret originally cost 100 more than a regular racquet becasue it's a professional racquet. It's designed for pro players. Most powerful frame ever. I miss her; I mean it's not like we're swingers or wife swappers, we just wound up marrying each others girl. I still miss her clean gritty grey face, and her downplayed classy cosmetics, you never seen such clean cosmetics on an 04, I'm glad she's with you now. I preffer humble unassuming older down to earth petite braided USA models, to a stiff powerful modern over$ize girl from Singapore anyday, no matter how rich she is.

schu47
05-16-2009, 11:10 AM
The secret originally cost 100 more than a regular racquet becasue it's a professional racquet. It's designed for pro players. Most powerful frame ever. I miss her; I mean it's not like we're swingers or wife swappers, we just wound up marrying each others girl. I still miss her clean gritty grey face, and her downplayed classy cosmetics, you never seen such clean cosmetics on an 04, I'm glad she's with you now. I preffer humble unassuming older down to earth petite braided USA models, to a stiff powerful modern over$ize girl from Singapore anyday, no matter how rich she is.

I'm quite fond of my Asian beauty, Plaz. She's strong, true and powerful, yet smooth and an easy swinger. So we're both good, since you got a sweet, petite little European Rossi in exchange.

Martingale
05-17-2009, 01:10 PM
Congrats Schu47, enjoy the 06. She may be stiff, but astonishingly more flexible than the 04.

I would not bother with the EOS, unless the 04 or 06 are too heavy for you. The EOS has got the exact same mold, but is much lighter, with most of the weight removed from the handle. It is therefore very head heavy. While that may sound alarm bells in general, the EOS is still a very well made, low resonance racket, and I have enjoyed playing with it as its maneuverability allows very fast swings and fast changes of direction, such as at the net. Despite the headheavyness, it still does require a relatively fast swing to generate power from the baseline. This may be something to try for tailofdog given his weight sweet spot. You could also lead it up to reduce the degree of headheavyness. In terms of stiffness, the EOS is just a tiny less stiff than the 04, but stiffer than any other SECRET.

Should you go for them, do not forget to post a quick first impression!

schu47
05-17-2009, 03:39 PM
Congrats Schu47, enjoy the 06. She may be stiff, but astonishingly more flexible than the 04.

I would not bother with the EOS, unless the 04 or 06 are too heavy for you. The EOS has got the exact same mold, but is much lighter, with most of the weight removed from the handle. It is therefore very head heavy. While that may sound alarm bells in general, the EOS is still a very well made, low resonance racket, and I have enjoyed playing with it as its maneuverability allows very fast swings and fast changes of direction, such as at the net. Despite the headheavyness, it still does require a relatively fast swing to generate power from the baseline. This may be something to try for tailofdog given his weight sweet spot. You could also lead it up to reduce the degree of headheavyness. In terms of stiffness, the EOS is just a tiny less stiff than the 04, but stiffer than any other SECRET.

Should you go for them, do not forget to post a quick first impression!

Thanks for the great critique. I'm not a fan of head-heavy racquets myself, so the EOS is probably not for me.

Great to have your insights on these Yamahas, especially since information on them is so hard to come by. Thanks again.

Martingale
05-19-2009, 01:43 PM
In this age of political correctness and transparency, I forgot to publicly state that I cannot write anything negative about the EOS, as it is the racket of choice of my wife. A truly fine racket, therefore!

tailofdog
05-19-2009, 04:51 PM
In this age of political correctness and transparency, I forgot to publicly state that I cannot write anything negative about the EOS, as it is the racket of choice of my wife. A truly fine racket, therefore!

I am playing with my ROSSIGNOL 6.60. It seems to be a racquet i play well with. I have just restrung the 6.80 i just received from Canada and will add 16 grms of lead tape to the handle to bring up the weight to match the 6.60. They both appear to be the same racquet except less weight in the 6.80.
The head size seems to be 90sq or 93sq Anybody know?

plasma
05-25-2009, 02:08 PM
could these be the stiffest and yet least resonant racquets ever? Compare the Microgel PRestige head racquets, euqally stiff but full of ping vibration and resonance. Yamamha was a pro racquet. You're wife is a genius and has great taste in racquets!

jimbo333
05-25-2009, 03:51 PM
Does anybody know anything about the Yamaha FOCUS 40?

A great looking racket, all it says is "New conceptional design makes difference you can feel":)

nat75
05-26-2009, 05:24 PM
Gaby played with these Yamahas:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/natsolog/sabby/orange_appled_lemon-img576x348-1145.jpg

This:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/natsolog/sabby/GabbySabby.jpg

And this:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/natsolog/sabby/sabatini17.jpg

nat75
05-26-2009, 05:48 PM
This is a better shot of the last one:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/natsolog/sabby/usopen199610.jpg

jimbo333
05-27-2009, 04:45 PM
Does anybody know anything about the Yamaha FOCUS 40?

A great looking racket, all it says is "New conceptional design makes difference you can feel":)

Does anyone know anything about this YAMAHA FOCUS-40 racquet please?

It's 16x18 about 90 head size, metallic grey (silver). Reckon it could be from late 80's or early 90's, and I really like it:)

Donquixote2u
05-28-2009, 02:24 AM
Ok guys, here's a test for how far your racquet lust has consumed you; look at that 3rd pic of Gaby: do you think;

a) damn, she WAS a fine looking female!

or

b) damn, racquet is blurred, cant make out the model! :-P

jimbo333
05-28-2009, 03:35 PM
Ok guys, here's a test for how far your racquet lust has consumed you; look at that 3rd pic of Gaby: do you think;

a) damn, she WAS a fine looking female!

or

b) damn, racquet is blurred, cant make out the model! :-P

Definitely a):)

Gaby was my favourite player in the 80's for all the wrong reasons:)

Although, that blurred racquet may have been a FOCUS-40 (realise it's not), and I really want to know more about this racquet!!!

nat75
05-29-2009, 02:06 PM
Apparently is a EX-110 G:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/natsolog/sabby/usopen199611.jpg

I found this pic on this forum:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6165/yamasidedo9.jpg

You have the proto EX-110 too.

plasma
05-29-2009, 09:06 PM
Oh No, Jimbo!!!! you're not taking my title on this one, Sir. You see, I was 13 when Gabbi was the backhand queen. No one on the planet has masturbated more to Gabriella Sabattini than I, ....no-one!

Martingale
06-07-2009, 08:42 AM
Jimbo333,

I think the Yamaha Focus series was less geared towards the players' market and more towards the recreational market, to contrast it with the Secret series. At least that seems to have been the marketing spiel. There is also a Focus 20, and possibly further models. In contrast to the Secrets (firmly players' rackets) which had a uniform width, the width of the Focus rackets was not uniform but thinner in the throat. It is indeed supposed to be a good racket, though I only have this from hear-say. Why don't you tell us a bit more about it?

jimbo333
06-08-2009, 06:20 PM
Oh No, Jimbo!!!! you're not taking my title on this one, Sir. You see, I was 13 when Gabbi was the backhand queen. No one on the planet has masturbated more to Gabriella Sabattini than I, ....no-one!

Hahahahahaha:)

jimbo333
06-08-2009, 06:26 PM
Jimbo333,

I think the Yamaha Focus series was less geared towards the players' market and more towards the recreational market, to contrast it with the Secret series. At least that seems to have been the marketing spiel. There is also a Focus 20, and possibly further models. In contrast to the Secrets (firmly players' rackets) which had a uniform width, the width of the Focus rackets was not uniform but thinner in the throat. It is indeed supposed to be a good racket, though I only have this from hear-say. Why don't you tell us a bit more about it?

Thanks mate:)

Yes, I thought it might not be a players frame. Guessing it's a top end recreational frame? And it comes in an expensive looking full cover/case as well. You are absolutely right about the beam not being constant. I've now hit with this and I love it. It seems to have a huge sweet spot, not overly powerful, vibration free and very stable. It really suits my game, oh and it looks really stealthy as well:)

Martingale
06-12-2009, 02:32 AM
jimbo333,

I am glad you like it. I have a brand new Focus 20 in a closet somewhere, never played. I might just take it out, restring it, and give it a try!

jimbo333
06-12-2009, 10:42 AM
jimbo333,

I am glad you like it. I have a brand new Focus 20 in a closet somewhere, never played. I might just take it out, restring it, and give it a try!

Yeah, go for it!

I was amazed by this racquet. I didn't miss hit a single ball with it, sweet spot seemed huge, definitely worth a hit:)