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Nadalator
04-03-2009, 01:52 PM
The title says it all.

What are your thoughts after the Miami semifinal match?

Which one is it?

iamke55
04-03-2009, 01:53 PM
Djokovic looked almost as lost out there as Federer.

EtePras
04-03-2009, 02:03 PM
I think Federer got rid of his old coaches because they told him he has to work hard to stay at the top, and Federer just wanted to vacation 12 months a year instead.

Telepatic
04-03-2009, 02:08 PM
Novak is not back but he is getting there, you cant blame either Novak or Fed, they got sunny 1PM match with wind..

JediMindTrick
04-03-2009, 02:14 PM
Djoko got broken 4 TIMES by Federer who was in pathetic form. You bet Murray or Delpo will clean Djoko's clock.

Here is the secret (which is an open secret) on how to beat Fed: keep the balls in play and let him build his own noose. That's what happens when you play without a coach, you become sloppy. And Fed is mentally VERY SLOPPY. Fed will no longer be in the top tier with Sampras, Laver, and Borg, since none of these guys were ever dominated by their rivals. Fed will become the Emerson of his era, being dominated by both Rafa, Murray, and soon Djoko.

As I remember, Murray was even more pathetic playing in the wind, so I'm not sure who's going to clean who's clock.

bluetrain4
04-03-2009, 02:14 PM
I definitely think Dojokovic will rise again and play great tennis similar to part of last year. He is truly that talented. But, this match today isn't really a sign of that. I wouldn't say he's "back" because of this win. He didn't play that well. But, any win over a top rival has to provide a little confidence.

Telepatic
04-03-2009, 02:17 PM
Excuses, excuses. Stop blaming the wind. Indian Wells final was much windier.

I`m not excusing anyone (I actually hate that), it is a fact it was sunny and windy out there.
Yes, IW final was more windy but so what?? Nadal is playing good with wind.:confused:

rubberduckies
04-03-2009, 02:18 PM
Both players are terrible.

It reminded me of Olympics with Fed-Berdych.

IMO, both players should have been eliminated from the tournament after that display and forced to play on the WTA for a while.

JediMindTrick
04-03-2009, 02:31 PM
Djokovic is not back, he needs to switch back to XOne Biphase to play like in his glory days.

All-rounder
04-03-2009, 02:40 PM
Novak is not back but he is getting there, you cant blame either Novak or Fed, they got sunny 1PM match with wind..
you could be onto something here

MarrratSafin
04-03-2009, 02:54 PM
Djokovic looked much improved in previous matches, not as good today. Federer was lost in a sea of UE though, and has been like that for the past year or so. Although I still believe in Fed's astonishing abilities, IMO he's a level down from, say, 2 years ago. Djokovic, meanwhile, has yet to hit the form he displayed last season.

kelz
04-03-2009, 02:57 PM
Both players are terrible.

It reminded me of Olympics with Fed-Berdych.

IMO, both players should have been eliminated from the tournament after that display and forced to play on the WTA for a while.

haha, that'd grow some publicity for the sport.

JeMar
04-03-2009, 03:00 PM
Djoko got broken 4 TIMES by Federer who was in pathetic form. You bet Murray or Delpo will clean Djoko's clock.

Here is the secret (which is an open secret) on how to beat Fed: keep the balls in play and let him build his own noose. That's what happens when you play without a coach, you become sloppy. And Fed is mentally VERY SLOPPY. Fed will no longer be in the top tier with Sampras, Laver, and Borg, since none of these guys were ever dominated by their rivals. Fed will become the Emerson of his era, being dominated by both Rafa, Murray, and soon Djoko.

Stop making that unintelligent comparison. In case you didn't know, Emerson retired holding the grand slam record, amateur or not. Hopefully Federer can do the same.

Lsmkenpo
04-03-2009, 03:37 PM
Guess you didn't see the match if you don't know the answer to this one.

fastdunn
04-03-2009, 03:38 PM
Djokovic: I don't think he found the form yet. He just took the wide window of oppotunity Federer opened. Bascially this match did not really give Djokovic any good chance to test his game at the top level.

Federer: I don't think he is declining fast. Considering his two of heart-breaking loss to Nadal at Wimbledon and Australian Open, I think Federer is copying with it exceptionally well. But I don't think he is handling the #2 status very well. That's probably all. Maybe changes in his personal life might be affecting. Who knows.

But you know nobody has not stopped him reaching slam finals yet and nobody has beaten healthy Federer convincingly(like in straight sets) at slams yet.

flying24
04-03-2009, 03:39 PM
I would say todays match was more a sign of how bad Federer was. For Djokovic its hard to say in a way. He didnt really beat anyone that good playing that well yet this tournament. Tsonga was very bad for his standards, and Federer was even worse. However you still have to win the matches and he has so I guess that is a good sign for him regardless how his opponents are playing.

Tennis_Bum
04-03-2009, 03:43 PM
No confidence on forehand. He was playing fine until 5-1 serving for the first set, then everything went downhill.

It's sad to see him self destruct like that. Djoko wasn't any thing special today, but just hang there long enough for Fed to self destruct with those forehands.

Oh well, he lost an opportunity to go to the final and possibly win a title this year. It's going to be even tougher now going to the clay season. I wouln't be surprised if Fed doesn't win any title when FO begins.

Oh well. Sad. But if you aren't playing well then there isn't a whole lot you can do.

fastdunn
04-03-2009, 03:47 PM
Federer's main goal in clay seasons (2 tournaments) before French Open should be to get a chance to play Nadal.

Leublu tennis
04-03-2009, 03:48 PM
Djokovic: I don't think he found the form yet. He just took the wide window of oppotunity Federer opened. Bascially this match did not really give Djokovic any good chance to test his game at the top level.

Federer: I don't think he is declining fast. Considering his two of heart-breaking loss to Nadal at Wimbledon and Australian Open, I think Federer is copying with it exceptionally well. But I don't think he is handling the #2 status very well. That's all.
I agree on your first point and have been saying since the beginning of the year that Djokovic has a way to go to regain his earlier form. He played a clever game against Federer, so he gets pluses for mental attitude but his overall game was very poor.

Federer is on his way down and has been since about Wimby. The continual maladies that are his excuses for no accomplishment get tiresome. First its "slight" mono, whatever that may mean, then its an unexplained back problem that bothers him but does not make him take a month off for the "problem" to heal. Sad actually. He needs to pull his act together or, I know I will get tarred for this, but .......... retire. He is a multi, multi millionaire. Marry the mother of your child and enjoy life for the next 50 years or whatever.

CCNM
04-03-2009, 03:49 PM
I'm still stunned that Novak actually finished a match. Makes me wonder....

clayman2000
04-03-2009, 03:55 PM
So i missed the Federer Djokovic match, and i keep hearing about how bad Federer played. How did he play in comparison to his last match. How did Djokovic play in comparison to Roddick?

shadows
04-03-2009, 04:01 PM
Federers still got the game, he just lacks the consistancy and today he had none after the first set.

How did Djokovic play in comparison to Roddick?

I'd say Roddick played better. Djokovic didn't do anything special and generally wasn't playing that great, Roger just fell apart. Credit to Novak for not losing focus though and doing what needed to be done.

dr325i
04-03-2009, 07:05 PM
Excuses, excuses. Stop blaming the wind. Indian Wells final was much windier.

Now read back what you wrote...about Murray (who looked like I was playing in that IW final...)

Purostaff
04-03-2009, 07:18 PM
Simply put.. it was the worst match between number 2 and 3.

So the answer to the topic is neither

Blinkism
04-03-2009, 07:34 PM
But you know nobody has not stopped him reaching slam finals yet and nobody has beaten healthy Federer convincingly(like in straight sets) at slams yet.

2008 French Open Final
Nadal def. Federer
6-1, 6-3, 6-0

boredone3456
04-03-2009, 07:45 PM
I'd say Roddick played better. Djokovic didn't do anything special and generally wasn't playing that great, Roger just fell apart. Credit to Novak for not losing focus though and doing what needed to be done.

Well Said, Roddick fought hard and gave it everything he had and Fed still beat him. The Fed that played Roddick was completely different from the one that played Novak. That match was in my opinion definitive proof Fed needs to get a coach and he needs one stat. Fed completely lost it and his breaking the racquet is perfect proof. Fed is in need of some serious mental revamping at this point and based on his results lately he can't do it on his own. I say he either gets a coach or his results may just get worse and his ranking will go that way soon to. If he doesn't get it together his chances of Getting Pete's record may be over.

helloworld
04-03-2009, 07:55 PM
Djokovic: I don't think he found the form yet. He just took the wide window of oppotunity Federer opened. Bascially this match did not really give Djokovic any good chance to test his game at the top level.

Federer: I don't think he is declining fast. Considering his two of heart-breaking loss to Nadal at Wimbledon and Australian Open, I think Federer is copying with it exceptionally well. But I don't think he is handling the #2 status very well. That's probably all. Maybe changes in his personal life might be affecting. Who knows.

But you know nobody has not stopped him reaching slam finals yet and nobody has beaten healthy Federer convincingly(like in straight sets) at slams yet.

I guess eating a bagel at the French Open final last year doesn't count, eh? :???:

ACE of Hearts
04-03-2009, 07:58 PM
This is why Federer's career might take a hit.He mental game is very poor.If he continues at this rate he is not better then sampras.

devila
04-03-2009, 08:19 PM
Since when do Slams prove that Fed's too great?

He needed tons of help in Slams from Roddick 5 times, and from Berdych, Tipsy, Djoko, Nadal, Davydenko, Andreev and Agassi twice.

Federer needed Roddick's pansy tank jobs on 3 match points in Shanghai, and on break points in unrespected tournaments, including Cincinnati and Thailand when he was injured. nothing new.

Morrissey
04-03-2009, 09:43 PM
Federer can't coast on talent alone anymore. He needs to work hard off the court and dedicate himself to the game a little bit more than before since he's getting older. But maybe he's too hard headed to admit that he needs to do that. If he doesn't do that his career will fall off further and faster. Not that it bothers me either. But he needs outside help and more work off the court. It's obvious now.

hugobosstachini
04-03-2009, 09:58 PM
Personaly I just think that Fed is over. To me here are the factors killiong Feds game :

- Tennisticaly Fed has a big problem with high balls on his backhand side he just can't deal with them. Fed HAS to do like Nadal and go back to school and WORK HEAVILY on that side. Rafa did it and just see how crosscourt and sometimes down the line he lines up some nice flat beautiful backhands. So why can't Fed do something about that ?

- Then mentally Federer is really showing how weak he is in his concentration... I just can't understand how a guy can brillantly win a first set against Murray or Djoko and just by his own explode and decline:confused:

- His forehand is letting him down match by match ! He's craking more often than not on that side every time he plays the big 3 (Murray, Djoko, Nadal).

- He doesn't have a coach... Wich to every specialist is a big error of him ! He just can't do the work alone !!

- Fed is possessed by Rafa and Murray !! Psycologicaly, Rafa and Murray has Fed... Murray won the 4 last matches opposing him to Fed and most of them Fed won the 1rst set... Nadal leads Fed by 9 to 4 in their confrontations !! That plays a big role !!

- And one last thing to me is that Fed lost that winning thing himself admitted that Rafa broke that star where he just used to win simply because the players aren't afraid of playing fed like before !! So I guess there was an emancipation of the spirit the players could have when to went ou to play Fed -- They now say "I can beat him".

rafan
04-03-2009, 10:29 PM
Federer can't coast on talent alone anymore. He needs to work hard off the court and dedicate himself to the game a little bit more than before since he's getting older. But maybe he's too hard headed to admit that he needs to do that. If he doesn't do that his career will fall off further and faster. Not that it bothers me either. But he needs outside help and more work off the court. It's obvious now.

Yes I quite agree. I still think tennis needs him around because although Murray and Djokovic are perfoming well at the moment, in the long term it is difficult to see whether they can stand the big test of time during the season.

helloworld
04-03-2009, 11:17 PM
Yes I quite agree. I still think tennis needs him around because although Murray and Djokovic are perfoming well at the moment, in the long term it is difficult to see whether they can stand the big test of time during the season.
Federer has to go away. Obviously the new era of tennis has begun, and he's not part of it.

dugger5688
04-03-2009, 11:58 PM
Federer has to go away. Obviously the new era of tennis has begun, and he's not part of it.

If this is the new era of tennis than count me out, anyone want some rackets?

Underhand
04-04-2009, 03:09 AM
It was Failderer tanking faster than Chokeović could retire.

luckyboy1300
04-04-2009, 03:30 AM
Personaly I just think that Fed is over. To me here are the factors killiong Feds game :

- Tennisticaly Fed has a big problem with high balls on his backhand side he just can't deal with them. Fed HAS to do like Nadal and go back to school and WORK HEAVILY on that side. Rafa did it and just see how crosscourt and sometimes down the line he lines up some nice flat beautiful backhands. So why can't Fed do something about that ?

- Then mentally Federer is really showing how weak he is in his concentration... I just can't understand how a guy can brillantly win a first set against Murray or Djoko and just by his own explode and decline:confused:

- His forehand is letting him down match by match ! He's craking more often than not on that side every time he plays the big 3 (Murray, Djoko, Nadal).

- He doesn't have a coach... Wich to every specialist is a big error of him ! He just can't do the work alone !!

- Fed is possessed by Rafa and Murray !! Psycologicaly, Rafa and Murray has Fed... Murray won the 4 last matches opposing him to Fed and most of them Fed won the 1rst set... Nadal leads Fed by 9 to 4 in their confrontations !! That plays a big role !!

- And one last thing to me is that Fed lost that winning thing himself admitted that Rafa broke that star where he just used to win simply because the players aren't afraid of playing fed like before !! So I guess there was an emancipation of the spirit the players could have when to went ou to play Fed -- They now say "I can beat him".

that problem was for the dominant federer. now he can't deal with almost all types of shots to his backhand, since murray can abuse that side without putting much topspin. just get it in his backhand all the time then wait for the error.

CocaCola
04-04-2009, 05:21 AM
OK, by everyone who's saying that Djokovic is far from his best, I just wonder what whould he do if he's at his best - wining every tournament maybe???

batz
04-04-2009, 05:24 AM
Novak did what he had to do to beat Roger and full credit to him for doing that.

Whether that means Novak is back on top of his game is debatable - he still didn't look at his best to me.

carlos djackal
04-04-2009, 05:48 AM
looking at their game, I think Djoker played better but he's not yet back but he's holding up.....i know he could give more and go to a higher level in his game.....and Fed is constantly declining making unforced error uncharacteristically.......

rafan
04-04-2009, 06:47 AM
Djokovic should never have gone away! He is one of the big hopefuls which is just what tennis needs. If Federer is in decline and Nadal will be one day, then there has to be a player who will make it to the top and at least manage to stay there

Josherer
04-04-2009, 07:20 AM
Murray @ 1.50 is the bet of the century!

I'm going huge on that.

OJ ROD
04-04-2009, 07:23 AM
Djokovic looked almost as lost out there as Federer.

That's funny. But yeah, Federer grip is slipping pretty fast now. When was Djokovic really here anyway. He kind of just hangs around the top on talent and overconfidence.(a little oversimplified but pretty damn close.)

FlamEnemY
04-04-2009, 08:13 AM
That's funny. But yeah, Federer grip is slipping pretty fast now. When was Djokovic really here anyway. He kind of just hangs around the top on talent and overconfidence.(a little oversimplified but pretty damn close.)

Scratch the overconfidence. Seriously, he doesn't seem confident now.
I do agree that it is his pure talent that keeps him competitive. I hope he will get his act together, I really like his attacking game.

Joseph L. Barrow
04-04-2009, 11:36 AM
Well, certainly this is a plus for Djokovic and should help him regain his confidence, but I'd say the biggest factor behind the result was definitely Federer's shocking form.

Cyan
04-04-2009, 11:50 AM
Both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

T1000
04-04-2009, 12:39 PM
djokovic lost a set 6-2 against a fed who couldnt keep three balls in. he had to bunt it back to win the match. he al least used his head to win unlike fed who tried to kill everything

dr325i
04-04-2009, 02:51 PM
That's funny. But yeah, Federer grip is slipping pretty fast now. When was Djokovic really here anyway. He kind of just hangs around the top on talent and overconfidence.(a little oversimplified but pretty damn close.)

WOW!!!
WHat's your IQ -- 42???
But you just hang in there on overconfidence...

dr325i
04-04-2009, 02:54 PM
Well, certainly this is a plus for Djokovic and should help him regain his confidence, but I'd say the biggest factor behind the result was definitely Federer's shocking form.

Pathetic comments -- when he kicked everyone's behinds prior to this match, fans were cheering that he's right behind Nadal.. Now all of a sudden, Fed is in "shocking" form...
Was Murray in a "shocking" form 2 weeks ago?

SaintClaires
04-04-2009, 02:54 PM
djokovic lost a set 6-2 against a fed who couldnt keep three balls in. he had to bunt it back to win the match. he al least used his head to win unlike fed who tried to kill everything


I thought is was 6-3 in the first set.......:cry::cry::cry::cry:

FlamEnemY
04-04-2009, 02:57 PM
I thought is was 6-3 in the first set.......:cry::cry::cry::cry:

That is correct.
Federer played well most of the time in the first set. He started making atrocious UEs while leading 5 1 in the first, Djokovic used this and eventually won two games. He could not win the first set, however.

AprilFool
04-04-2009, 02:59 PM
djokovic lost a set 6-2 against a fed who couldnt keep three balls in. he had to bunt it back to win the match. he al least used his head to win unlike fed who tried to kill everything

He didn't use his head. His coach did.

TheTruth
04-04-2009, 03:12 PM
Due to the windy conditions, it's hard to gauge where either one of them really are.

Djokovic didn't look very confident out there, moreso confused. He saw Fed imploding on the court and seemed to be distracted initially, but when it remained that way he went on and took the win.

Federer's on court behaviour since the beginning of 2009 is like a window into his soul and his thoughts. He's putting too much pressure on himself and hasn't sorted out his goals.

Again, the mouth is the culprit. He comes out in the beginning of the year saying he's going to regain #1 (He shouldn't have said, he should've done it). Then, he gets beaten at the AO, before he can recover Murray dishes out a couple of beatings, and now even Djokovic. Roddick took him to the max and if not for some silly approaches could have easily have won that match.

Bottom line: Fed needs to choose what he wants. #1 or the record? He's trying to do both simultaneously and the untimely losses are messing with his mind.

vtmike
04-04-2009, 03:14 PM
Due to the windy conditions, it's hard to gauge where either one of them really are.

Djokovic didn't look very confident out there, moreso confused. He saw Fed imploding on the court and seemed to be distracted initially, but when it remained that way he went on and took the win.

Federer's on court behaviour since the beginning of 2009 is like a window into his soul and his thoughts. He's putting too much pressure on himself and hasn't sorted out his goals.

Again, the mouth is the culprit. He comes out in the beginning of the year saying he's going to regain #1 (He shouldn't have said, he should've done it). Then, he gets beaten at the AO, before he can recover Murray dishes out a couple of beatings, and now even Djokovic. Roddick took him to the max and if not for some silly approaches could have easily have won that match.

Bottom line: Fed needs to choose what he wants. #1 or the record? He's trying to do both simultaneously and the untimely losses are messing with his mind.

Both of those go hand in hand...He has to win GS titles to beat the record which will give him enough points to become num 1...see how that works?

Nadal_Freak
04-04-2009, 03:15 PM
I agree with those that say both. Djokovic is too good and too young to fall out of the top spots. He is no Safin imo.

icedevil0289
04-04-2009, 03:17 PM
Due to the windy conditions, it's hard to gauge where either one of them really are.

Djokovic didn't look very confident out there, moreso confused. He saw Fed imploding on the court and seemed to be distracted initially, but when it remained that way he went on and took the win.

Federer's on court behaviour since the beginning of 2009 is like a window into his soul and his thoughts. He's putting too much pressure on himself and hasn't sorted out his goals.

Again, the mouth is the culprit. He comes out in the beginning of the year saying he's going to regain #1 (He shouldn't have said, he should've done it). Then, he gets beaten at the AO, before he can recover Murray dishes out a couple of beatings, and now even Djokovic. Roddick took him to the max and if not for some silly approaches could have easily have won that match.

Bottom line: Fed needs to choose what he wants. #1 or the record? He's trying to do both simultaneously and the untimely losses are messing with his mind.
He didn't exactly say that. I believe he said he's going to try and regain the #1 ranking, but not for sure. He just said it was a priority along with wimbledon and the gs record. I see what your saying though. Roger really isn't the best with taking the pressure off himself.

pound cat
04-04-2009, 03:21 PM
Federer played so poorly that in his interview he actually said that he was glad the hardcourt season was over so he could play on clay.

And all these years I though Federer loved playing on hardcourt. Silly me.

Nadal_Freak
04-04-2009, 03:24 PM
Federer played so poorly that in his interview he actually said that he was glad the hardcourt season was over so he could play on clay.

And all these years I though Federer loved playing on hardcourt. Silly me.
Fed likes both clay and grass better than hardcourts. I've noticed that since 2007. Grass will always suit his movement most but clay is also well suited for his movement. So many good hard court players these days.

TheTruth
04-04-2009, 03:29 PM
Both of those go hand in hand...He has to win GS titles to beat the record which will give him enough points to become num 1...see how that works?

Not necessarily. Rios made it to #1 without winning a slam. And on the women's side there was Lindsay, Jelena, and Clijsters. The #1 ranking also rewards consistency, not just grand slams.

You may have been trying to respond too quickly. He first needs to prioritize which one, then take steps to achieve that. He said his goal was to get back to #1, when in all actuality he should be concentrated on getting the grand slams he needs. You can win a grand slam regardless of your ranking.

TheTruth
04-04-2009, 03:34 PM
He didn't exactly say that. I believe he said he's going to try and regain the #1 ranking, but not for sure. He just said it was a priority along with wimbledon and the gs record. I see what your saying though. Roger really isn't the best with taking the pressure off himself.

But that's his problem. Rather than worrying about regaining #1, or breaking the record he should concentrate on playing his game. Making those statements is putting undue pressure on him whenever he doesn't deliver. If he worries more about playing well, and fixing the things that are broken he has a good chance to break the record, but right now he's wasting time being in a funk while the tour is growing up, getting better, and gaining more experience. Too many things on his plate at one time.

icedevil0289
04-04-2009, 03:41 PM
But that's his problem. Rather than worrying about regaining #1, or breaking the record he should concentrate on playing his game. Making those statements is putting undue pressure on him whenever he doesn't deliver. If he worries more about playing well, and fixing the things that are broken he has a good chance to break the record, but right now he's wasting time being in a funk while the tour is growing up, getting better, and gaining more experience. Too many things on his plate at one time.

Definitely agree with you here.

miyagi
04-04-2009, 03:55 PM
Well Roger looking forward to clay season is an interesting scenario!!

I'm not going to write him off yet but Fed has a long way to go before he can hang with Nadal and Murray.

I really dont know what the solution is but obviously if he continues like this he will have a miserable season. Lets hope he turns this around before F.O because if he doesnt and he play Nadal in the final can you imagine what a beating he would get!

devila
04-04-2009, 04:04 PM
Pathetic comments -- when he kicked everyone's behinds prior to this match, fans were cheering that he's right behind Nadal.. Now all of a sudden, Fed is in "shocking" form...
Was Murray in a "shocking" form 2 weeks ago?What's shocking is people posting long lectures about the wonderful strides Roddick and Murray are making. Then, they write that Federer has lost his mind and running ability.

OJ ROD
04-05-2009, 04:11 PM
WOW!!!
WHat's your IQ -- 42???
But you just hang in there on overconfidence...

Get a reality check, and observe him again.

By the way my IQ is 132.

SaintClaires
04-05-2009, 04:12 PM
Get a reality check, and observe him again.

By the way my IQ is 132.


Your avatar scares me every time I look at it :cry::cry::cry::cry: