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maximo
04-05-2009, 11:14 AM
Murray. He is playing exceptional tennis atm. Especially after beating Fed's conqueror in straight sets.

bladepdb
04-05-2009, 11:18 AM
Murray. He his playing exceptional tennis atm. Especially after beating Fed's conqueror in straight sets.

And having beaten Fed himself.

oneguy21
04-05-2009, 11:19 AM
If you look at tennis right now, good defense outshines good offense (generally speaking).

maximo
04-05-2009, 11:26 AM
And having beaten Fed himself.

Precisely. :D

Ian Stewart
04-05-2009, 11:33 AM
I just checked. Fed is about 2000 points clear of Murray. Let's see how Murray tackles the clay court season before we get ahead of ourselves.

Federer4life
04-05-2009, 11:35 AM
Murray. He his playing exceptional tennis atm. Especially after beating Fed's conqueror in straight sets.Without a doubt

Telepatic
04-05-2009, 11:38 AM
Murray is now much likely #3, but not #2.
Grand slam shows ranking.

batz
04-05-2009, 11:49 AM
I just checked. Fed is about 2000 points clear of Murray. Let's see how Murray tackles the clay court season before we get ahead of ourselves.

You can bring that down to 1300. Roger isn't defending his 700 mc points from last year. Murray plays to his seeding at mc and the gap's under 1000 points.

Cesc Fabregas
04-05-2009, 11:55 AM
Murray. He his playing exceptional tennis atm. Especially after beating Fed's conqueror in straight sets.

No the current Number 2 is Federer.

batz
04-05-2009, 11:56 AM
No the current Number 2 is Federer.

I think he meant Murray is the de facto number 2. Clearly Roger is the official number 2 in the rankings and will probably remain there for a good while yet.

maximo
04-05-2009, 11:58 AM
No the current Number 2 is Federer.

You knew perfectly well what i meant...

Bud
04-05-2009, 11:59 AM
Murray is no doubt #2 :oops:

Stchamps
04-05-2009, 12:02 PM
Hey guys clay is coming up which is Murray's worst surface so he has to prove himself there. Fed is well rounded on all 3 surfaces.

maximo
04-05-2009, 12:04 PM
Hey guys clay is coming up which is Murray's worst surface so he has to prove himself there. Fed is well rounded on all 3 surfaces.

So what?

Murray has hardly any points to defend on clay this season. And he is a totally different player from last year.

Stchamps
04-05-2009, 12:38 PM
So what?

Murray has hardly any points to defend on clay this season. And he is a totally different player from last year.

I'm saying he's not number 2.

tudwell
04-05-2009, 12:46 PM
Murray has one grand slam final in the last twelve months. Federer has four, with one win. Federer is the number 2.

JeMar
04-05-2009, 12:51 PM
Murray is definitely playing the second best tennis in the world right now, but that isn't what the rankings take into account.

Federer's played the second best tennis in the world over the last twelve months.

Blade0324
04-05-2009, 12:59 PM
Not only is Fed not the 2nd best player in the world right now but he is really not even in the top 4 right now. He is basically with the rest of the pack behind the top 4.

Chadwixx
04-05-2009, 01:01 PM
Much like pete, fed is a 2nd half player. Dont count him out yet.

edberg505
04-05-2009, 01:03 PM
Not only is Fed not the 2nd best player in the world right now but he is really not even in the top 4 right now. He is basically with the rest of the pack behind the top 4.

LOL, boy you Nadal fans or having a blast right now. I cannot wait until Nadal hits 27. We'll see where he's ranked at that time.

Blade0324
04-05-2009, 01:32 PM
LOL, boy you Nadal fans or having a blast right now. I cannot wait until Nadal hits 27. We'll see where he's ranked at that time.


Has nothing to do with who I'm a fan of. I will grant you that at 27 Nadal will not be in the same place in the rankings that Fed is. However, this is not the point of the post. The point is that Fed. is not anywhere really even close to the 2nd best player in the world currently.

bladepdb
04-05-2009, 01:33 PM
LOL, boy you Nadal fans or having a blast right now. I cannot wait until Nadal hits 27. We'll see where he's ranked at that time.

I'm gonna laugh out loud when he's still #1 then :P

edberg505
04-05-2009, 01:35 PM
I'm gonna laugh out loud when he's still #1 then :P

And I'll be laughing right along with you if it does. But forgive me if I'm somewhat skeptical of that happening.

stormholloway
04-05-2009, 01:37 PM
It's a blessing. Murray is a great talent and fun to watch. I'm sad I missed the match.

jaggy
04-06-2009, 05:09 AM
Right now I'd go with nadal as #2 behind Murray.

maximo
04-06-2009, 05:22 AM
Right now I'd go with nadal as #2 behind Murray.

Interesting statement, if Murray happens to beat Nadal at Wimby this year, then i believe he would be the best player in the world.

Shaolin
04-06-2009, 08:18 AM
Fed is still the second best clay court and grass court player in the world. People forget tennis is played on different surfaces than concrete.

gj011
04-06-2009, 08:23 AM
Fed is still the second best clay court and grass court player in the world. People forget tennis is played on different surfaces than concrete.

Not quite true. Djokovic was the second best clay court player last season.

vtmike
04-06-2009, 08:31 AM
Fed is still the second best clay court and grass court player in the world. People forget tennis is played on different surfaces than concrete.

Yes I agree Fed still is the only one who can challenge Rafa on clay...which is a scary thought considering how he has been playing after his AO loss :eek:

So if Fed does not pick up his game during clay season, it will probably be a complete white wash by Nadal AGAIN! :(

gj011
04-06-2009, 08:35 AM
Murray. He is playing exceptional tennis atm. Especially after beating Fed's conqueror in straight sets.

The current #2 is Federer. It is clearly shown on the current ATP ranking list:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/rankings/default.asp


I don't get why is it so hard to read the list for many here and why do people have to come up with their own biased and nonsense rankings all the time.

john whilesmith
04-06-2009, 08:39 AM
Since Wimbledon last year, Murray's win/loss record (57-7) is #1 on the ATP Tour ahead of Nadal (50-7), but the current rankings are not based on that which is why the current rankings are Nadal, Fed, Djokovic, Murray. Murray is now only 170 points behind Djokovic after beating him in Miami yesterday.

fastdunn
04-06-2009, 09:06 AM
I think Murray WILL be #2 pretty soon. That would mean Federer should play Nadal or Murray at semi-finals.

P_Agony
04-06-2009, 09:49 AM
Murray is #2? Really? I guess the ranking list is not updated then.

TennisandMusic
04-06-2009, 09:51 AM
LOL, boy you Nadal fans or having a blast right now. I cannot wait until Nadal hits 27. We'll see where he's ranked at that time.

My guess is most Nadal fans wouldn't expect him to be dominating by that age. Probably not even at 24/25.

Most Federer fans acted like he would be number 1 until he retired at 35. I guess his recent skid is a little more rapid than expected however.

veroniquem
04-06-2009, 02:53 PM
Right now I'd go with nadal as #2 behind Murray.
Now I'm confused. Which slam has Murray won in the last 3 months?

Cfidave
04-06-2009, 03:00 PM
It amazes me how people seem to ignore the rankings in favor of the player they like. Happens all the time with hopeful #4 Roddick who is official ATP #6. Those ranking points are there for a reason, and no doubt, hard earned.

veroniquem
04-06-2009, 03:00 PM
Fed is still the second best clay court and grass court player in the world. People forget tennis is played on different surfaces than concrete.
Exactly. Murray is #2 on hard court right now but he still has to prove himself on clay and grass, 2 surfaces where IMO he's still far from being #2.

gj011
04-06-2009, 03:02 PM
It amazes me how people seem to ignore the rankings in favor of the player they like. Happens all the time with hopeful #4 Roddick who is official ATP #6. Those ranking points are there for a reason, and no doubt, hard earned.

Exactly!!!!!!

Finally somebody with common sense.

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 03:02 PM
The current #2 is Federer. It is clearly shown on the current ATP ranking list:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/rankings/default.asp


I don't get why is it so hard to read the list for many here and why do people have to come up with their own biased and nonsense rankings all the time.

I like the way you think, Mr. gj011 Sir.

jelle v
04-06-2009, 03:11 PM
Right now I'd go with nadal as #2 behind Murray.

If we are not looking at results, then yes, I clearly agree with you. Gamewise Murray is the man to beat right now, with Nadal as a close second.

tennisguyak
04-06-2009, 05:31 PM
Roger may not be playing as good as the other 3 (in the top 4) right now, but he without a doubt has way more experience than the other 3, which counts for a lot in the long run, and he still has way more supporters than murray and djoko, and just as many as nadal. But whats most important, is he knows how to lose and he knows how to lose. Nadal has been consistently winning the large majority of his matches and I've yet to see him choke in a big match, so maybe he won't exactly know how to handle it when he starts deteriorating physically and losing matches and we'll see an even faster downfall than Federer's. Just sayin...

The point is...we have yet to see how Nadal handles a few more losses and if he can still win a match where he's not in peak form.